Below is the Abbot General’s email to me.
Below you will see my attempt to telephone the Abbot General who was staying at Mount Mellary. I got through to an answering machine and did not leave a message. Instead I sent the AG another email.
The AG rang me from the Mount Mellary number. For some reason it came up as “potential fraud” on my mobile but my new mobile seems to regard unknown numbers as potential fraud.
As you can see the AG and I spoke for 18 minutes and 36 seconds – not a short call by any means.
It was during this conversation the AG surprised me by telling me of the incident involving Fr Purcell in Roscrea. I said to the AG: “I’m a bit shocked you are being so honest with me”.
He replied: “Well I am talking to a bishop”.
He then told me that he had already asked the Cistercian Procurator General to send him Fr Purcell’s file which is kept in the Generalate.
In all of this I have been acting in good faith.
I have had a lifetime connection to the Cistercians especially at Mellifont Abbey.
I had cone to regard the Cistercians as special and an example for the rest of us priests to emulate. For that reason I expect more from a Cistercian monks and priests than I do from other priests.
Of course I do understand that like all of us they are sinners and human beings.
The Church is very corrupt and has gone astray and I regarded the Cistercians as the prayerful power house of possible purification and renewable.
I would truly be shocked to discover that the Cistercian bottom line is the bottom line of the rest of the RCC – “mental reservation”, plausible deniability, slight of hand, now you see it and now you don’t politics.
A priest friend of mine calls the RCC indoctrination we all got as “the medicine”.
He always says to me: “You’ve taken too much of the medicine”.
Maybe I have? Maybe part of me is still very niaive ?
But as I said the other day:
“If the Cistercians are at it – then there’s no hope”. š¤¤
What next?
The Dali Lama found dead in a gay sauna !!!!!!
PICTURE AFTER MASS YESTERDAY
BISHOP PAT BUCKLEY 
128 replies on “MY CONVERSATION WITH THE CISTERCIAN ABBOT GENERAL.”
Pat,
Please provide a post on Evan McNamara the āScottish rampantā. Thereās a lot of interest in him here in bonnie old Scotland and his disappearing act is speaking volumes.
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Would someone please name and shame this pathetic stalker.
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This person seems obsessed, what a loser he must be. Put up or shut up you REJECT! Why would Pat blog about him if you will not provide him with EVIDENCE? Grow up you immature fool and move on with your pathetic life.
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Is this stalker still here….how embarrassing are you!
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Just been watching some old TV re-runs of Father Ted. I missed seeing them first time around. They’re portrayal of clerics is so ridiculously idiotic. But surely there’s an underlying truth reality in that they portray a common perception of just how laughable the whole RCC relevance and their clerics are now regarded.
MMM
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Iām old enough to remember how Dermot Morgan was vilified for how he depicted the clergy. He said himself there was no way he could have got it made in Ireland. How many would find it shocking now?
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10.11
Where was the show made?
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Produced for Channel 4 (UK), filmed in the UK and Ireland.
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Father Ted is benign compared to whats really happening.
The majority of the presbyterate will be in bed today with other gentlemen.
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Is it really that bad Bp Pat? It’s whorrible.
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Yes.
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Isn’t it based on the “clergy revues” the clergy themselves used to put on in some parishes, Boxing Day week?
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12.04
Thanks.
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Lots of Irish people think Fr Ted was an RTE production, perhaps because RTE endlessly repeats it. Channel 4 made it.
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2.42
Thank you.
His anniversary falls on 29 September.
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Tuesday. Will do.
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I don’t think anyone can find it shocking, in fact it’s prophetic. For example it shows priests as stupid. Priests regularly comment on here that seminarians capable of a degree are few and far between these days. And this is priests admitting priests live up to their depiction in Fr Ted!
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Forget degrees. Let them just believe, say their prayers and try and practice what they preach.
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1.47
I agree with you, Pat, though in my seminary days, I considered obtaining a university degree as a rite of passage to priesthood.
A friend of mine in seminary was asked by German seminarians on temporary study placement what his degree was in. He answered that he didn’t have one, adding that if he left seminary with honours in spirituality, he’d be happy. The German seminarian was taken aback, not by the reference to spirituality, but by the fact that my friend was unlettered. Unfortunately, this decent man, my friend, went on to commit suicide some years after ordination. There were no accusations of that sort against him; in fact, there were no accusations against him of any kind. It was, as idiom has it, just one of those things.
I never found out why my friend committed suicide, and I’ll never speculate about it. His anniversary is this month.
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I’d like to 0ffer Mass for him and his family on his anniversary
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Patsy donāt you think the AG who was having a conversation with you and was telling you about Roscrea, when you said you were surprised he being so honest, and he said well youāre a bishop. He must have thought you were a recognized Bishop not an illicit one, I donāt think he had any idea of who you were at that time. Heās probably found out who you are now. Thatās why youāll never hear from him again.
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12.10: MMM. I am disappointed that you continue to perpetuate a ridiculing caricature about priests. There is no necessity to do so. Criticism is fine but a continuing narrative of jeering and derision is very childish, particularly when you repeat the same ad nauseam. What fulfilment do you get smacking us to pieces?
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You bet.
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10.12
Traditionally, Roman Catholic clerics have not taken criticism well, especially the Vatican, such is there overweening sense of self-importance and rightness; they lacked the very quality for which they berated othersā apparent lack, or urged them to cultivate for themselves
When men repeatedly wonāt listen to others, the next step is to make them objects of ridicule; but it isnāt the final step.
You people brought this on yourselves. Had you (to use that now preposterous title, āChristmenā, made of priests by Fr Gerard McGinnity), you wouldnāt find yourselves where you now are: largely ignored, if not detested.
I have no sympathy with you people.
Go weep on someone elseās shoulder, you self-pitying priest.
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If all Irish priests, regardless of age, were offered ā¬ 2000 a month for life pension upon resignation I think very many of them would apply.
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… they would.
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Anon@10:12: Comments below coincide with my views on the majority of Irish Catholic clergy. They really are a pathetic lot, so full of their own pomposity and self importance, and fail to appreciate just how irrelevant they’ve become to a majority of people. I like the comment: “Objects of ribaldry” It nicely sums them up. Why shouldn’t we mock the clergy? What’s so special about them that they demand respect without earning it? I say the clergy brought the common derisive view upon themselves.
Their religious rigmarole is a charade. Would that civil authorities take up +Pat’s comment, offer clerics a retirement pension, and let rites of passage ceremonies evolve as secular affairs bringing together people of different faith beliefs and none.
MMM
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MMM Your right I spotted this years ago. Very clever writing. Now things are still daft but much more upfront and sour
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Where is the Generalite? Was the file being emailed to him or sent in the post?
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Rome.
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I see all this happened on September 13, unlucky for some!
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It sounds to me as though this matter of Abbot Purcell does not involve safeguarding issues, or matters that contravene the State law, and therefore there is no reason for State authorities / police to be involved. It concerns the consensual sexual activity of two gay men in a gay sauna. These matters are, therefore rightly, within the domain of Church law and custom, and will be dealt with therein. I suspect, therefore, that we will not hear a great deal about it, other than perhaps (as the Abbot General has said) these concerns / allegations have been noted. It is up to the AG and the OCSOs under canon law to take these matters forward. There really isnāt any rightful place for involvement of external authorities or us at the the moment. We have to leave it to them. However, such is our experience of the way the Church usually deals with these matters ā ignoring them, stalling, covering up, denial, moving people about etc ā that it is right for + Pat to keep a watching brief on what is happening in order to prod the Church authorities, the OCSOs in particular, to move this matter forward as quickly as possible. I would suggest that + Pat undertakes that role quietly and privately in communication with the Abbot General and others, and is circumspect in what he puts on this blog. If the AG and others feel that they cannot have conversations with + Pat about these matters for fear that everything that is said is put on this blog, then they will be inclined to cut contact and communication with + Pat. So, by all means keep a watching brief and encourage them to address these matters, to take action, and at the right time to communicate that action to us, in a fair, open, transparent, respectful and just way. That seems the right way forward to me. Itās not letting them off the hook, its not avoiding holding them to accountability, itās not encouraging them to go quiet and hope it will all go away. Itās a means to an end, ensuring accountability, transparency and justice in this matter. In addition, Purcell needs to be open and honest with the AG and the OCSOs about his behaviour and activity.
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You are right. It is not a matter for safeguarding.
But it is a matter of great public interest.
It is also a matter of the RCC proclaiming transparency but not practising it.
The matter is mow with the AG andbhis Council.
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Well, letās give the AG and the OCSOs a bit of time to look in to the matter and do the right thing. If they donāt, if they stall, if they coverup ā well, then I suggest you let rip and tell all. How much time to give them ? I would say one month for an initial investigation and implementation of some measures. Of course, if Purcell is completely innocent, then an apology is due. But, I suspect that there is something about his behaviour that stands in start contrast to his professed way of life and role as Abbot. So, questions have been asked, we await the answers within a month.
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The public don’t care about it Pat, they are not interested.
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Well said Pat. This nonsense that you should do things behind closed doors gives rise to further hypocrisy within Orders and within the Church. Shine the light brightly Pat on the dark rank hypocrisy. That is the only thing that will cause action.
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Itās impossible to take people seriously, as an authority on anything, when theyāve been reduced to objects of ribaldry.
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@ 12:18 the public are very interested. The general public do not know about YET. Remember the strange goings on in Maynooth that Bishop Pat wrote quite a lot about and all you guys thought the public werenāt interested? They werenāt until they found out about it thanks to Diarmuid going on the television and people were shocked and disgusted. Lapsed Catholics werenāt interested but observant ones were when it was announced on RTE News.
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12.18 The public are like a salt cellar Shake taste the salt then forget about it. Ancient Aliens might be the new religion
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9.23
Does not require external intervention? From a post by Pat the other day there is at least a hint of sexual assualt on a diocesan priest in a (monastic?) kitchen.
Given all that is now known aboout clerical obfuscation, secrecy, and cover-up, your āletās respectfully wait and seeā attitude to any forthcoming canonical investigation of these behaviours is at least ā¦ naive. š
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@10:12am Absolutely. However at this juncture it is impossible to take any RC priest seriously in any way whatsoever and the most laughable thing about them is the pompous way they keep coming on here protesting their dignity.
What kind of man would remain in a profession and a religion which are bywords for kiddy fiddling, double dealing, corruption and actual criminality? Of course the answer is obvious – a man into at least one of those things.
And you still expect any respect of any sort? š¤£
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12.18
Some of the public unquestionably are interested. But even those who arenāt may not necessarily be unconcerned, and otherwise unaffected by these scandals, or by unconfirmed reports of them.
If any person believes that the public no longer cares what Catholic clergy get up to in private (or in public: in laybys and urinals), he needs to think again.
It is probably true that most Catholics have become so innured to hearing of sexual malfeasance among their clergy that they no longer are shocked by it, and by the hypocrisy and lies that must accompany it.
Most Catholics, I suspect, now consider these behaviours fairly normative for the clergy. It would take a great deal worse to recreate the shock caused by early scandals involving these men, something as grave, say, as satanic child sacrifice, or the sacrifice, through abortion, of a conception or two inconvenient for a heterosexually active priest. Impossible? Time will tell.
What a terrible indictment against Catholic clergy, of whom most in the 21st century, and after an almost unbroken succession of clerical scandals, still actually believe that each, through ordination, is an āalter Christusā:ontologically changed and configured to Christ. The extent and depth of this grand delusion is thrown into ever greater relief by each confirmed scandal involving the clergy, and now even by unsubstantiated reports of them, which, I suspect, most people would regard as de facto truth precisely because they have been predisposed to do so by the almost constant revelation of clerical malfeasance.
If nothing else, surely it ought to be a cause of concern for every Christian that the faith of countless numbers is being hacked to pieces by the gentlemen in clerical collars, and their indifference to this should not be anyone elseās.
The sooner the world rids itself of the moral contamination that is Romanist priesthood, so much the better.
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Ella seems very pleasant, Bp Pat, and your priest friendās words are wise, as you do tend to overdose on the āmedicineā from time to time. Maybe you have gone overboard again in the case of Miss Purcell.
However, please continue your probe into the old shagtress at Silverstream as it sounds like +Delia and +Mandy-Rice are attempting to obfuscate or conceal the truth there.
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There is a river of material coming on the Silverstream scandal.
And you are right. + Delia is going bust to keep it all under raps.
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9.48: It would serve your spiritual well being much better to spend time in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament seeking GOD’S forgiveness for the manner in which you are tearing others apart simply on the basis of your hatred and dislike of so many. Your behaviour is disgusting. Therd is little of CHRIST in your heart. Zilch. The Cistercians do not deserve your vicious intrusions. God forgive you and God bless all the Cistercians. You haven’t an iota of Christian charity in you.
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10.19
Normally, I should joke about the unqualified faith you have in the moral innocence of Romanist clergy and religious; itās almost touching, in a juvenile way. š
Youāve bought into the fantasy of clerical moral propriety, seemingly without any qualification whatever. Itās as pitiful, in an adult, as it is reprehensible.
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+Pat. I was reading the Lancaster Diocese Voice, their monthly newspaper. An interview with a new transitional Deacon Chappel harping on about he has been ontologically changed and dressed up in the biggest Roman collar Iāve ever seen. Completely brainwashed around celibacy saying this will make him a better Priest. Very overweight at his age means he is not happy. Is he another one living a lie? I see that Fr Etienne from Blackpool had a few photos taken of them
very close together minus a mask in the Church (so breaking the law). Robert Billing sniffing about too. I wonder what the future holds for all 3 of them?
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Weight Watchers it would seem, or a gastric band.
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No surprise there. 3 of them well in to Latin and lace, all 3 speak with fake posh accents. Why was Etienne ātransferredā from Rome to Oscott? Lancaster Diocese is in a mess. No leadership. The poor Bishop has no control, authority or interest. Any problems are pushed back to Deans to sort out.
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The Bishop of Lancaster is a simply, holy man, who likes to bicycle. When he’s not falling off. Out of his depth, poor guy.
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At least he is only riding a bike š
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Blackpool is a dump and Lancaster is a Moslem protectorate enjoy you old age living there hope you know a few words of Arabic before you go into a care home it will be staffed by the boys arriving by boats and if you get in the way of looking at their phones and smoking you wonāt like it
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Jesus wept. I have just read that piece from Stuart Chapple. If it’s any help, as a priest, I find it CRINGE. I remember when I was in danger of falling into the trap of saccharine piety, but, with grace and a healthy dose of self-doubt, coupled with friends who wouldn’t suffer me, I managed to pull myself out of the swamp. Much more edifying is the ordination of Norman Allred in the Diocese of Meath, a man who was married and held down a job: https://dioceseofmeath.ie/ordination-of-fr-norman-allred/
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Which month of the Voice. Can you send us a link.
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As in āDuring a diaconate ordination, the newly ordained deacon is admitted to the clerical state, and he is changed ontologically, the deacon is conęgured to Christ the servantā. And similar nonsense. Boy, has this young man swallowed it hook line and sinker. Is that what Oscott instils in them these days ? You can see it all here: http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/463342/28341017/1598605323337/Lancaster+September+2020+3+FINAL.pdf?token=XaR7%2FMX8iEpGBSgvdxk7Gaq7ZS4%3D
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+Pat. No sure how to do that, it is September 2020. Google āthe catholic voice of Lancaster 2020ā The photos of Etienne and co are on Facebook on Etienneās page and you can see Stuart Chapple on his own Facebook page. Lots of pics circulating of Etienne.
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OH, for goodness sake, take butchers at the state of the late Canon Frank Cookson on page 14 trimmed in swansdown and lace. Uncle Samantha!
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10.23
But the guy is honest, though…to a degree. He does admit that ‘the deacon’s ministry is one of service (and then, by way of emphasis, he adds after a comma), to the bishop…’ And of course, this is what ALL Romanist orders are about: service of men, not of God. And it is why the Church historically has lurched from one scandal to the next, all because Jesus never intended a priesthood. This deacon, like all ordained men in the Church, is acting contrary to the will of God.
Chronic self-deception almost inevitalbly has a parallel history of self-delusion, and our deacon expresses his admirably:
‘By ordination a man’s state is changed and it becomes his means of sanctification…’
I dare anyone to snigger at this juncture. š”
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Alleged Rev Permanent Deacon (love the insistence on using āRevā) is too old to work out how to add a link. Lol
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FABULOSA!
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Nothing more clericalist than the permanent diaconate, whereby aul boys in the good books are upgraded from the ranks and made NCOs as a reward. They have absolutely no sacramental functions that a lay person cannot perform, and the standard of their preaching is evidence of the paltry formation they receive. It’s no wonder the permanent diaconate fell into disuse for almost two millenia.
In short, they are as much use as tits on a bull.
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12.37 āMr to youā Rev Perm. Deac. has put in and is continuing to put in years of service unlike you ātransitionary deaconsā who brag about your five minutes of obscurity.
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Westminster News: the news you donāt need to know.
Fr Daniel Humphreys ā PP Enfield (from Acting Administrator, Westminster Cathedral) ā job swap with Fr Witon. Enfield gains an ex-Anglican non-queen and loses a Neo-cat. Elsie says Fr Daniel is compassionate and will do well.
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Demotion.
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Sub-Administrator to PP is the usual career path in Westminster. Fr Daniel was only the Acting Administrator due to the resignation on health grounds and subsequent death of Canon Christopher.
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Not a demotion at all. Remember he was the Sub Administrator who only became acting Administrator when the previous one was to ill before death.
A number of Sub Administrators have gone on to be PP of Enfield (including the new Administrator).
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10.41: I recognise Magna Carta in this comment. He can ill afford to make judgments abiut other people. If he is as intelligent as he imagines, then he should use that gift more wisely and discerningly about himself. The continuum of ignorant, arrogant commentary is indicative, yet again, of a seriously unhappy person, mentally, emotionally and spiritually. Thatās his misfortune but Itās all resolvable through therapy. I have never encountered anyone exhibiting such bizarre, irrational and destructive behaviour or who seems totally incapable of human decency. That aside, the blog issue for today would seem to me to be an onslaught on elderly Cistercians who, having spent their lives in quiet, peace, prayer, manual work and inner contemplation, now have to witness their lives being torn to shreds because one of their members has made foolish decisions. We can sometimes be borribly merciless and unkind. I have spent time in all the Cistercian guest houses for almost 40 years and have been blessed by their prayer, wise counselling and intimacy with God. I am sad that these men are now being harassed and intruded on. I believe itās totally unacceptable.
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Was there not an accusation of the usual (kiddie fiddling) against at least one of those prayerful and contemplative Cistercians at Portglenone some years ago?
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Do you mean this one?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42732424
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4.10
I think there was another Cistercian (a priest, not a brother) at Our Lady of Bethlehem Abbey against whom there was a serious allegation of child abuse.
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It’s a slow gossip week for Pat, he doesn’t care about the monks, he is just looking for traffic on the blog. This is the third or fourth time he has rehashed this story, I’m sure he has flogged it around the ROI and UK papers without any success.
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I have not approached any journalist on this matter.
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10.29. I agree with you. I watched the live Mass on Facebook from Mount Melleray this morning celebrated by Dom Richard and felt so sorry for the few elderly monks who have to suffer the indignity of this intrusion on their lives. I like you have been lucky enough to have had many wonderful Cistercian friends and counsellors over the years . I hope and pray that it wonāt result in the Abbey having to close before itās time although it will probably happen eventually as there are so few monks and no vocations. It will be a big loss as anyone who has ever been there will tell you what a wonderful place it is
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Celebrated by an unmasked bathsheba you mean.
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@10:29 you are what monks refer to as a ‘monastery hopper’ – and these people are always seen as pains.
Your personal comments about Magna Carta are laughable when your intention is obviously to distract from the pretend monastic life lived by a senior figure of the Irish Cistercians.
Obviously the monastic peace you have delusionally shared has not entered you, (unfortunate image there) when you are so free to throw a man who has suffered under the bus.
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I am very glad you can still be shocked after all this time, Pat.
In fact abbots living double lives end their monasteries themselves. The Rule is plain that the monk should love chastity and while obviously anyone will find it difficult to be chaste, those who are not should not be major superior!
Given that the monk given as aide to the abbot general was born in 1935, it would suggest the whole order is in trouble.
Knowing how the church functions I would bet on Purcell being the next abbot general!
It goes to show that much of the value in this blog is in exposure. Nobody can go into those places without knowing what is going on and thus victims of dysfunctional religious life are reduced.
Thank you for this essential ministry, bishop.
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@12:23 a very good comment. I read further up this blog where someone was trying to encourage Bishop Pat to lay off and the the Cistercians sort it themselves. No. Pat needed and needs to apply pressure. Experience has thought that these āclericsā only act when they are exposed or under public scrutiny. It is a complete sham. Someone said the Abbot was saying mass this morning? That says it all really. Keep up the work Pat and expose these hypocrites. There would be a queue to join the priesthood and/or Orders if gay men knew they can get the hole as often as they want it. Many actively gay priests decide to only ride other clerics but this one appears to be something of a loose cannon and has definitely given rise to scandal.
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I do realise that I am very much a voice crying in the wilderness.
Priests, religious and monks just attack anonymously instead of taking the challenge.
The secular media is probably not interested on case they are accused of being homophobic or something else.
I can still be shocked. When those we were told were the holiest of the holiest – and we then find out that most ordinary lay men and women are living more moral lives than the “holy one” are.
Lechers hiding in cassocks or habits is truly shocking.
Jesus understands human weakness.
But total immoral cynicism and non-repentance is another level.
Is it any wonder Chaucer said that clerics in hell are housed in Satan’s back passage?
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No it’s no wonder at all. If you enter a monastery as a postulant it is reasonable to expect the abbot not to be going to gay saunas but they are happy to hide these things and wreck vocations.
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Pat, do not be afraid. Please continue to expose hypocrisy and do not lay off Mellary. Do not listen to what the enablers of hypocrisy are posting today. Hypocrites make my blood boil. Someone said give the Abbot General a month? Lol. Youāve given him long enough already. Keep up the good work
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I have some sympathy for the young Dom, but after such exposure, he may have to consider falling on his sword, or in this sad case, his dildo.
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2.24
Ouch! š²
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Due process my hole! Where was the due process when women were sent away for having their skirts too short or being pregnant? A priest refused a TD communion for voting in the Dail. Now, an Abbot General has revealed dirt on another Abbot and Pat revealed he frequents the Boiler House and someone said he was saying mass this morning. Due process my ass
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Its not up to me to give the AG a time scale.
I told him what I knew and was told.
He told me about a problem in Roscrea that they had been hoping was a “one off”.
Its about truth, integrity, transparency, public teachings and private practice.
As I say – a voice crying in the RCC wilderness.
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Keep crying In the Wilderness Bishop Pat. Youāve done more for the Church in Ireland in the past few years than the entire Irish College of Bishops. Youāve managed to rid the Church of a few hypocrites and you have also helped the hypocrites themselves by liberating them to start new lives and hopefully meet meaningful partners
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1:55
I like the after Mass pic of you , buzz and aria.
Regarding context of the one off incident in Roscrea,why did others know of this incident? How did others know of it?
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I was told earlier that the Outside Sauna in Belfast was open last night and it was packed. Why are they allowing loads of men engage in sex during Covid.
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There is a new path of prayer inn Roscrea which meanders for several kilometres through the Abbey grounds. Who came up with this idea? Hardly the former Abbot by any chance. Meandering through the great outdoors is a great pastime and thing that took place near Mellary wasnāt held outdoors by any chance was it?
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What brass neck that Purcell has putting himself out there publicly and celebrating a streaming public Mass after all the stuff that is flying around about him. You would have thought that heād have the sense to keep out of sight until all of this is sorted out. Arrogance that we have come to expect. Tough it out. It will all go away. Ignore it and itās not there. I;m astounded !
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Twice as brass cruising bath houses and woods. What did the pope say about gay priests who act out their urges? Sling your hook or in their case slog your crozier. But somehow I suspect the word sling would only give a hard on
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The other monks have probably pleaded with him to get help, but he may be quite a dominant bitch, in or out of the Boiler House.
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2:52
Another wounded healer, don’t you know.
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Happy Yom Kippur! Time for atonement
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MEA CULPA! š
Itās a start. š
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1.33: In response to my comment at 10.29 needs to be written a little more coherently and intelligently. You seem familiar with the term “monastery hopper”..You’ve tried it obviously. I too will point out abuse, offensive comments and hypocrisy in others on this blog, of which there are many. So, I will continue to pray for the elderly Cistercian community and pray too that haters like you may be healed and renewed in spirit. Somehow I imagine such concepts are alien to your life!! šššššš¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£…
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When Dom Richard Purcell OCSO met Fr John Walsh OP recently in Waterford they had exchanged their religious garb for secular dress.
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Keep exposing the hypocrisy, Pat. It’s not so long ago that the Convent grammar school in Enniskillen expelled a 16-year-old who was about to start her A Levels when they discovered she was pregnant.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1419874/6000-damages-for-pregnant-pupil.html
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Enniskillen people will also be familiar with the case in the local Convent of Mercy involving a female lay domestic staff member who was a general skivvy and dogsbody for the nuns in the convent attached to the school. Nowadays she would be described as having learning difficulties but then people said she was “a bit simple”. She worked cheerfully for the nuns on subsistence wages for many years.
Anyway she met a man who was divorced. The nuns disapproved and eventually the couple got married in the registry office. The nuns said that that was a cause of scandal and they promptly sacked her when they came back from honeymoon.
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Sounds like the crazy woman that was skivvy for the nuns and staff in Thurles seminary.
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Good for her!
The so-called ‘Brides of Christ’. Satanic bastsrdoes.
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Bishop Buckley. Iām a Parishioner of St Clareās, Glasgow. Our Church is in the Diocese of Motherwell as we are on the outskirts of the City. I turned up at Mass today to be handed a copy of this letter from one of the Passkeepers. No consultation, no fundraising to try to raise the money needed. One man decides to shut our Church for good and that is the end of it. Our families built this Church. No compassion, shut immediately. This is the same man who treated Fr Despard so badly. Unbelievable.
Letter from Bishop Toal on the Closure of St Clare’s Church, Easterhouse.
Dear Parishioners of St John Boscoās Parish,
I write to explain the difficult situation we now face in regard to your parish.
When St Benedictās and St Clareās formed the one parish of St John Boscoās, we kept both churches open, providing the celebration of the Sacred Liturgy and other services and social events in both locations. This has become increasingly difficult, particularly in regard to St Clareās, where a number of significant repairs are necessary, most notably the replacement of the heating system in the church as it has been condemned as unsafe for further use. The parish does not have the financial resources to carry out these repairs and I have reached the conclusion that the decision be made to close St Clareās
and concentrate on maintaining St Benedictās, which benefitted from a full and costly renovation in more recent times. Since the colder weather is approaching and St Clareās will not be heated through the winter, the closure will take effect from this weekend. I cannot see a benefit in delaying the closure, so from next Sunday October 5th the 10am Mass will be celebrated in St Benedictās.
I realise this is sad news for many people and I have been reluctant to take this step, but it has to be faced and our present difficulties with fewer people attending Mass and the subsequent loss of income made any possibility of carrying out the necessary repairs in St Clareās untenable. I seek your understanding over this and I encourage those who have faithfully attended Mass in St Clareās to continue to do so in St Benedictās and to be given every opportunity to continue to offer their services there as in St Clareās. It has been the intention to foster a spirit of unity and friendship among all the parishioners and the new circumstance of worshipping in the one church will offer further opportunity
for this to be realised.
I thank all who have been part of St Clareās community over the years for the outstanding service offered in the parish and into the wider community. An opportunity will be offered to gather in
thanksgiving once we recover from the pandemic and are free and safe to gather again in greater number. In the meantime I offer my gratitude as Bishop of the Diocese for your faith and commitment to Our Lord and his Church. I ask the Lordās blessing upon you all and all your loved ones in these difficult times. I remember also those who have gone before us, whose faith and good works built up and sustained St Clareās ā may they rest in peace.
With my prayers and best wishes,
Yours in Christ,
+ Joseph Toal
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Wee Joe Toal up to his usual tricks?
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How callous is that? I hope you cancel your standing order.
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I thought it was going to say the building was unsafe, which would be understandable, but surely the heating system boiler and radiators could easily be replaced without shutting the place down permanently. I imagine the church and land will be sold and subsequently demolished to make way for a housing development.
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@4:49pm I feel your pain! Club together and see if you can raise the money to buy it, but deal with the diocese through a third party as itās my opinion theyād sooner give it to anyone than a group of former parishoners forming their own Independent Catholic Parish. Iām sure +Pat would be happy to advise.
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Did the incident in Roscrea occur before or after Fr. Richards appointment as Abbot of Rosrea? When did the alleged incident in the Boiler House supposedly occur? Might this issue impact negatively financially on the monastery in terms of donations, contributions, etc. Many of the lay faithful will be shocked.
Is he fit to be in the position of Abbot to a monastic community?
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How will donors know? The Irish Catholic and the secular media haven’t reported it and the OCSOs are hardly going to put it on their websites.
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Compline is live on Mt. Melleray Abbey Facebook page at 8 pm.
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https://www.facebook.com/MountMellerayAbbey/
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This must have been one of Fr Alan Burke’s final public appearances before he went on sabbatical/MIA. To the end he was accepting gifts from people who hadn’t been told he was about to discard the collar he is proudly wearing in the photos.
https://www.oughterardheritage.org/content/people/farewell-to-fr-alan-burke
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqlp_CuG_TE
Father Ted – boilers
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Bishop Pat, have you listened to the Abbotās sermon from this morning itās on Mount Mellaryās Facebook page. Is it directed at you or his community or the Abbot General or does it just happen to be his sermon for today? Itās all about judging others and showing mercy. Of course it is. Thatās what Christianity is about, but where was such mercy and Christianity in the church when it came to seminarians in the past who were gay or acted out on occasion and were dispensed with? Where was the pardon and mercy in Orders when younger entrants fell at a hurdle? Does this pardon and mercy only apply to Abbots? Does this pardon and mercy only apply when someone high up the ladder of the church is caught with their cock in one hand and lube in the other? Does this pardon and mercy not apply to gays who want to get married in their local Roman Catholic Church? Or does it only apply to Abbots who frequent bath houses? Does this pardon and mercy apply to seminarians who were dumped by Maynooth because they succumbed to human urges? Does this pardon and mercy get to be broadcast from a pulpit in Mount Mellary or Roscrea just because the head honcho was caught? The clerical Church forgives itās own when they get caught but woe betide you if youāre caught with your cock out and youāre not a bishop or an Abbot.
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Filthy language.
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But true
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@8:08 which is filthier the language or the action of the person referred to or the filthy hypocrisy
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6.58: The gospel imperative of love, mercy and compassion is given to and expected of all who claim to follow Christ. These qualities are the hallmark of all who supposedly follow Christ. Of course higher standards are expected of priests and religious. When any 8ne of us fails, surely we admonish and counsel that person wisely, carefully and in a way that effects necessary change. I accept that when priests fail in moral matters, it is very difficult to listen to them preach the gospel. Yet, I hope and pray that those of us who are abhorred by any abuse or moral failure or scandal will not feel superior or that we are better human beings than those we condemn. The church is being constantly called out in its moral aberrations and I share the same abhorrence as you do. I do not define my role as that of judge, juror and executioner but am always looking to my own behaviour first and foremost. And lastly, your vulgarity is unnecessary. It diminishes your argument.
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8:10 what you say is true but so is 6:58. Yes of course forgiveness etc but it does appear that true Christianity is used by the Church when it suits and not used when the Church punishes lessor mortals such as more junior priests and many members of the laity. Whither the pardon and forgiveness for the litany of sinners we read about here who after appearing on this blog for a few days or even a couple of weeks then quietly departed into the civilian world or for āfurther studyā or āin care of Bishopās Houseā. They did not go on webcam to preach about forgiveness. There wasnāt too many sermons from Mellary when various other priests human failings were discussed here. No. Instead many āordered priestsā had a good ole gossip about them. Whatās good for the goose is good for the gander.
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+Pat I saw Fr Littlepimple Lace in Balham today with his clerical garb including a black zucchetto – he looked like he was heading for the synagogue only his Roman collar and black cossock differentiated. He celebrated mass yesterday morning I dont know why but he said the gloria even though it isnt usually said for weekday mass. This was not the evening vigil that was said by another priest
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Boring comment.
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Not worth commenting on so dreary
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Dom Richard’s homily starts at the 15 minute mark. It’s about not judging. I wonder why he said that?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1064210170664272&id=471507562921014
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For example, if you think Abbots should not frequent the tubs, you are judgmental.
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Alan Burke became very attractive in recent years. I think a load has been lifted off his shoulders. He now works with the Bon Secours.
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The Bons are a sort of refugee camp for ex-priests. It would be more their line to divest the private hospitals (how does that fit with the Gospels) and pay reparations for their wrongdoings in Tuam.
And of course they have no vocations.
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9.01: The full truth of Tuam is not yet told. There are lots of groups other than the Bon Secour Sisters who ought to hang their heads in shame. The Sisters provide excellent health care and give employment to thousands. Sour grapes on your part….
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He has settled down with a man. Leave him alone!
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Cardinal Zen traveled to Rome to plead with the Pope about the next bishop in Hong Kong. The Pope would not meet him.
https://www.marcotosatti.com/2020/09/27/card-zen-comes-to-rome-to-meet-the-pope-who-has-no-time-for-him/
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That Bishop Toal sounds a right one. Where is the compassion? Poor handling.
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