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PRIESTS AND SEX ADDICTION.

There is a serious problem in the RCC with gay priests suffering from sex addiction.

John Paul Lyttle, Dickie Purse, Kitty Kirby and quite a number of secular and religious order priests seem to suffer from it.

For someone to be an addict there is very often an underlying psychological issue at play.

Sex addicts, including priest sex addicts eventually find that their addiction is out of control and begin to take serious risks to satisfy the addiction.

An example of this would be a priest, a public and well known figure in the community, going on the Internet seeking sex and showing both their face and genitalia – exposing themselves to the risk of being found out and the consequences it will have for their lives and work.

Similarly in the case of a priest- or an abbot – going to a gay sauna where they may be recognised by parishioners, fellow priests or seminarians.

The best definition of addiction I’ve come across is: “Someone whose addiction interfers with any part of daily life” – health, job, relationship finances etc.

When a priest is sexually active he is:

1. Contradicting RCC teaching and discipline.

2. Living a double life.

3. Putting himself in danger of exposure and causing scandal to his parishioners and the public.

4. Contradicting his position as a public representative of RCC teaching.

5. Being the face of imposing moral obligations on others that he privately is flouting.

Of course if anyone including a priest has an addiction ir certainly reduces moral culpability.

But addicts have the moral obligation to see k and accept.

The below questionnaire from The Laurel Centre allows people to judge if they have sex addiction.

REMEMBER these questions are for the ordinary Joe and Mary Soap.

How much more is expected of a publicly vowed cleric or religious?

1. Have you been struggling with your problem for more than 2 years?

 Yes  No

2. Do you regularly view pornography for more than 11 hours a week?

 Yes  No

3. Have you noticed that you need more and more stimuli or risk in order to achieve the same level of arousal and excitement?

 Yes  No

4. Do you feel as if your sexual behaviour is out of your control?

 Yes  No

5. Do you currently, or have you in the past, struggled with any other addictions, compulsive behaviours or eating disorders? Such as drug, alcohol addiction, compulsive gambling, gaming, work or exercise, collecting?

 Yes  No

6. Has anyone in your family currently, or in the past, struggled with any addictions, compulsive behaviours or eating disorders such as those listed above?

 Yes  No

7. Do you find yourself pre-occupied with either planning for, fantasising about, or recovering from your sexual behaviours?

 No  Occasionally  Often  Most of the Time

8. Does your sexual behaviour have a negative impact on your relationship or your ability to start a relationship?

 No  Occasionally  Often  Most of the Time

9. Do your behaviours have a negative impact on your work or studies, finances, health, or relationships with friends or extended family members?

 No  Occasionally  Often  Most of the Time

10 Do you engage in your behaviours in spite of potential risk of physical or emotional harm to yourself or others?

 No  Occasionally  Often  Most of the Time

11. Does your sexual behaviour contradict your personal values and potentially limit your goals in life?

 No  Occasionally  Often  Most of the Time

12. Do you find yourself struggling to concentrate on other areas of your life because of thoughts and feelings about your sexual behaviour?

 No  Occasionally  Often  Most of the Time

13. Have you tried to limit your sexual behaviour or stop it all together, but failed?

 No  Occasionally  Often  Most of the Time

14. Are you more tempted to engage in sexual behaviour when you’re experiencing difficult feelings such as stress, anxiety, anger, depression or sadness?

 No  Occasionally  Often  Most of the Time

With the exception of number 6 I would imagine that someone like JPL might answer YES to all?

112 replies on “PRIESTS AND SEX ADDICTION.”

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Bishop some commentators said to give the Cistercians a month. I believe you contacted the Abbot General a month ago. You blogged about this a month ago today.

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Bishop is there any word from Mount Mellary (or its daughter house Roscrea) on this, the month’s mind of that great powerhouse in Waterford once revered but now unfortunately rocked to its very foundation by your revelation.

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15. Do you get off at being able to preach about forgiveness from the pulpit to your community after you’ve been caught?
Yes No

16. Do you get a hard on when you think you’ve gotten away with it?
Yes No

17. Have you any cop on?
Yes No

18. Does being a hypocrite turn you on, even slightly?
Yes No

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Bishop Pat, the only basis for thinking your current obsession would reply yes to those questions is that he is a priest who is frank about his perfectly normal gay sex life, as you are yourself.

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Bishop dod Bishop Phonsie reply to you? And did you ever think of writing to the diocese where Silverstream is situated and ask it to comment on Dom Kirby and also on one of the Doms they got in to examine whatever it is Dom Kirby is alleged to have done?

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Not even an acknowledgement from the MORAL CRUSADER PHONSIE.

For people like him morals only apply to the ordinary folks.

Priests abbots and bishops are different.

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9.55: You, Pat, should be treated as a non person by all bishops. Go to the civil authorities if you have concerns about “abuse”. When you say mass today, you should seriously name your own sinfulness out loud and kneel for God’s forgiveness. You are – simply – a nasty person. No bishop owes you anything. Nothing. You treat all with contempt. You are a hater.

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People who complain to bishops and Maynooth are treated as non-persons. It has taken the media, Pat and the courts to put any manners on them, and then they are tin-eared.

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Pat, not sure if you read that awful rag, The Tablet, but from behind the paywall here are bits of Mary Kenny’s review of Moanin’ Mary McAleese’s new book:
Ireland’s former president has always been vigorous in challenging the Vatican.
Mary McAleese was the second woman to become president of Ireland, following Mary Robinson. Both were admirable holders of the office; both brought judgement, grace and stature to the presidency. Both were lawyers, and both, perhaps, represented the last generation of Irish women who were commonly named Mary. As a qualified canon lawyer, she is also known for her audacious feminist challenges to the Vatican hierarchy, including Pope Francis (whom she calls “all talk and no action”).
McAleese was born in 1951, an eldest child. Her mother had 11 pregnancies: nine children survived. After the last, a priest criticised a medically necessary hysterectomy, which may justifiably have contributed to McAleese’s subsequent sensibilities about misogynistic clerics.
When she emerged as a ­presidential candidate in 1997, she was described as a potential “tribal bomb”. It was predicted she’d be an uber-Catholic and a Sinn Féin republican fellow traveller, which was not at all how things turned out.
Successful in her first term, she was returned, unopposed, for a second period. After that, she embarked on canon law at Rome’s Pontifical Gregorian University. She was already critical of the Catholic Church for a number of reasons: child abuse, female priests, homosexual rights. Her canonical studies enhanced her radicalism, and even her anger.
The narrative covers an arc of our times, with a diligent eye to the record: events and encounters with numerous political and church people are described. She is caustic about those she considers bigoted, misogynistic, or who have failed in addressing child abuse. Mary Glendon, Fr Tom Williams, Cardinal Law, Dublin’s Cardinal Connell and Fr Denis Faul, are not spared her ire. She has her heroes too: Mo Mowlam, Cherie Blair, John Hume, Francis Campbell, the Dalai Lama, and Fr Alec Reid, to whom the book is dedicated (and she has heroes, too, within her own family). She describes the Vatican as a “rather camp medieval court”, which makes it sound rather glamorous.
She has a pleasing line in self-deprecation, although she can occasionally take herself too seriously. She was furious with John Paul II for making a jest suggesting that Martin must be playing second fiddle to his wife. I heard my own husband banter on this theme with Denis Thatcher and it was thought harmless. But Mary elicited an apology!
There’s a happy photograph of her gay son, Justin, with his husband, and she makes mention of her and Martin’s energetic involvement in the 2016 Irish referendum to legalise same-sex marriage. There could have been a little more political and social context about that. Her influence was also considerable when it came to the 2018 repeal referendum (repealing the Eighth Amendment, which acknowledged the unborn child): she told a feminist interviewer that she supported repeal “with a heart and a half”. This came as a disappointment to pro-life supporters. She may have a more complex explanation of this ­situation, or she may feel so radically feminist now that she is aligned with the pro-choice movement, but it isn’t explored.

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Anglicans, and Spirit of Vatican II liberal Catholics whose children are lapsed and whose children are unbaptised because the Faith was not handed on to them would consider the Tablet to be the best Catholic weekly publication out there.

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All traditionalists are closeted homosexuals and/or transvestites. There are no exceptions.

What you term ”spirit of Vatican ii Catholics” are mainstream and the majority.

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People under the age of 70 don’t use the term “transvestite”. It’s now considered offensive and abusive. I learned that from the BBC recently.
And there’s nothing wrong with being gay, or homosexual as you rather clinically put it. I am not gay and I don’t use it as a put-down.

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3.47
You’re not intellectual enough for The Tablet. This is really why you wouldn’t have it in your house.
I suppose The Universe or The Catholic Herald, or maybe The Irish Catholic, pitch themselves at your cognitive level. 😅

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Coronavirus has hit moanin Mary very hard. The media aren’t interested in her and she hasn’t moaned for a number of weeks. I was thinking of setting up a go-fund-me page to help Mary get noticed again and be relevant.

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1.07
The people who criticise Mary McAleese are usually the type that do not want women to have any public or leadership role in the church. Women distributing Holy Communion are a threat to them. How much more when you have an articulate woman with a razor-sharp intellect like MMcA to they feel threatened. Just like the reactionary James McEvoy, who famously criticised her and who for all his academic qualifications was in fact a bag of emotional contradictions.

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At 3:44pm Mary Mackers isn’t t all that intellectually “razor sharp” as her devotees would command us to believe.
She was called out a few months ago for her deliberate twisting Pope John Paul’s teaching on marital rape. She wilfully misrepresented it and, when she was challenged, she withdrew into silence. But then maybe her “razor sharp intelligence” didn’t understand it, or misread what the Pope clearly said?
And as regards a “bag of emotional contradictions”??? Big Mary Mackers, with her shrill hysterical rants, more than ticks that box.
She comes across nowadays as a shrewish fish wife, a bombastic bucket mouth.

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“A bag of emotional contradictions” describes McAleese very well – from the days of kissing Cackle Daly’s and the bishops’ arses at every opportunity, to her hormonal antiCatholic rants nowadays. She craves adulation and attention. Less and less people are paying court to her – hence her increasing shrillness. It’s quite apt they named that bridge in Drogheda for her. The woman seriously needs to build a bridge and get over herself.

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4.35
Evidence. I’m not going to take your word for any of this.
I don’t expect to hear from you.

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So we get from a flimsy and unfounded rigmarole about sex addiction to lambasting Mrs McAleese for no good reason. This blog is as incoherent as a Trump rant.

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At 6:01pm – you don’t have to take my word for it, you dolt. The controversy was reported in the Irish media. There were letters in the Irish Times. Dr Vincent Twomey among others locked horns with her. She was clearly in the wrong and she made a prat of herself. It betrayed a sloppiness, lack of balance, poor research and downright prejudice in her “razor sharp intelligence”. What did she do when she was so clearly in the wrong? She tried to say “I didn’t say that” denying what people could read in plain English and hear with their own ears for her remarks were recorded. Then she went quiet and changed the subject. Her arrogance is breathtaking and her ego a colossus. We are sick listening to her self-pitying wails and nasty diatribes. She’s going to spend her retirement criticising the Church is she? She can go to hell. Thank God to be able to mute this old shrew and not listen to her.

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6.01
I absolutely love it that Mary McAleese annoys the hell out of Romanists, and their sycophants/apologists, the Cathbots. 😃

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By way of contrast @5:50, I found it very interesting, and say now to whoever posted it, “Thank you ” for the time and effort involved.
MMM

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I love The Tablet. And I love that Romanists and Cathbots hate it so much. Why? Because it calls out their hypocrisy and the fact that Romanism is a sham.
God bless The Tablet!😆

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All you young sems and young priests come to your Uncle Patsy in Larne that he may dandle you upon his knee and console you.
You can fully and forensically explore, inside out and upside down, backwards, forwards and sideways, every single aspect of your sexual problems, addictions, compulsions and proclivities. Don’t hold back on a single detail. You’ll feel so much better after a thorough purge. Confession is good for the soul.
There is no condemnation with Uncle Pat – only a warm welcome on the mat. He’ll feed you and clothe you and shelter you. He will wipe away your tears and mop your brow. No harm shall befall you there. All he wants is your happiness and peace of mind and heart. So don’t be afraid to come to Uncle Pat.
Uncle Pat’s qualifications are from the only school that counts – a loving, caring, concerned, compassionate and gentle heart. Let him take you to his heart and heal you. Warm yourself there as you would at nice turf fire in a cosy little cottage.
He who was so broken himself will, patiently and gently, piece you back together again. You will arrive in Larne limping and leave Larne leaping.
Do not be afraid. Just come. Come to your old Uncle Pat. His door and his heart are always open to every weary and searching soul. You can lay all your burdens upon Uncle Pat. He won’t tell a soul. All he wants is for you to be whole.

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Uncle Pat, the poster at 12:39am was pulling your wire but you are too narcissistic and delusional to even know it 😂

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Of course I noticed. But a bit of sarcasm is amusing. And I don’t mind people poking fun.

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Be jayziz Pat, they’ll be beating down the door of Princess Gardens. You’ll need to build on a new wing. Will Noel and the people of D&C fund it for ye?

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Pat, actually a sex-addicted cleric would be likely to answer yes to question 6 because these addictive behaviours run in families – the impulse control patterns of parents are learned by children. Or rather children don’t learn any other way of regulating their inner world which comes out in addictive behaviours.

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Moaning Mary never voiced any concerns while in Office. She actually rubbed shoulders with cardinals. How come she became so outspoken when she left the Aras? She says Francis is all talk an no action. She was the same when she held office. She is a contradictory old fool. Just because her son is gay she wants to attack the church. She said she will devote her retired life to fighting the church. Mary give it a rest you washed up old hag. Funny how her son was/is a trustee of Gaisce. Another quango.

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From what I’ve seen, heard and read on Mrs McAleese, I’ve formed an opininon that she is a highly intelligent, informed and socially conscious lady. She appears to rightly challenge matters of concern, particularly in relation to the RCC.
It seems that those who disagree with her views choose to attack her personally rather than engage in direct discussion with her or express their contrary arguments in the public domain. That may well be because they have no viable argument, although some might say it’s more their fury when they realise how well her criticisms show them up.

Calling her an old hag/fool, as is the choice of the above pseudonym, “Mary keep on moaning” could be taken as an example of this common ad hominem phenomenon regularly found as a characteristic of the, ……less able.
MMM

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10.45: MMM – I wish you would resist your propensity to sneer at, mock, ridicule and be so condescending to all clerics. You make valid points but you diminish them by engaging in your own style of dismissive mockery of clerics. Mary McAleese is indeed a very intelligent woman. I net her in 2 occasions at parish gatheri G8d whikecshe was president. She received and enjoyed the wining and dining offered and couldn’t speak highly enough of the clergy, religious and the place of the Church in the community. She extolled its community spirit and relevance. I watched her career iver the years and felt she was sincere in her pre use and gratitude for the mission if the chyrch and the witness given by many. Hercwirds were often inspiring. Now I find that she is very passive aggressive towards all priests and the chyrch. I appreciate her criticisms and challenges but I’m not sure if she brings people with her in her stridently shouting way.

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@11:28: Could you provide one good reason why the actions of clerics should be excepted from criticism however expressed?

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11.28

It’s so inceredibly easy, and therefore irresistible, to be condescending to Romanist clerics, such is your utter uselessness and stupidity.

Just sayin’, like. 😆

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Mary McAleese is on good terms with hundreds of priests, including Archbishops and
Cardinals. The haters seem to with it wasn’t so.

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I don’t think the vast majority of priests who break their vows of celibacy are addicted. Some at the far end of the spectrum maybe – those who are out day and night cruising lay-bys and woods and saunas and gay bars for casual sex – but the majority who take what they can on occasion or establish convenient sexual relationships are really only doing what they want to do knowing that they can get away with it. They compromise the vows that they have made so that they can make life more palatable. The problem is that this digs deeply in to their integrity, and undermines everything about them. How are we to listen to priests telling us about the gospel of truth and light when they themselves are messing about in the darkness ? For me this is not an issue about sexual morality. I could not care what a priest does with his bits and with whom. What I do worry about more is what he says or professes one moment, and what he does the next. If there is a mismatch then he is undermined and diminished in his credibility and integrity. Why should I listen to him ?

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9:24 Let’s face it and be honest here. You and the assorted ex-sems, alkies, lapsed Catholics, Evos, harpies, superannuated social workers, Tablet readers, athiests and old queens who read the blog haven’t been to Mass in years and wouldn’t listen to a priest if he was the holiest, most chaste man on earth.

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Nah,. It’s really because we’ve never found a priest who is even vaguely interested in his alleged religion.
To find a holy one would be a miracle

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I have met and known good priests who believed, said their prayers and served their people.

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You are right that sexually active priests are not usually addictive. The system forces them into contradiction, but not the one you finger. They do not preach one thing and do another. They are simply silent about sex and especially gay sex, and if they touch on it obliquely in their sermons it is to push in a liberal direction. And as Bishop Pat notes, the promise of celibacy elicited from secular priests a year or two before ordination is not a “vow”. “I could not care what a priest does with his bits and with whom.” Obviously you could, you care very much. This obsession with priests’ penises is a neurosis. It’s a sort of revival of the obsession of priests with the sex lives of the laity up to fifty years ago.

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I don’t think the queens mentioned are sex addicts, Bp Pat, apart from Kitty, who is probably a former one; you name it, she’s been it. The others are just sex-starved and hungry for more.

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10.03: More of your Sunday morning pre-mass sexual meditations. How you can say mass with your filthy, dirty mind and vindictive heart is beyond comprehension. Jesus needs to find you again. Lst him do so.

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I think the fundamental flaw is less often addiction but almost universally integrity. Let us take the hypothetical example of a good-looking highly-educated young man who has lived a normal social life, then deciding to get himself ordained within a system with such a distorted view of sexuality that it contradicts everything that he has lived before. Now were he a reformed cat-burglar, that would be all to his credit. But it strains all credibility that he should now believe and preach that all forms of sexual expression apart from the missionary position two or three times in a lifetime are mortal sins. Who then, I ask, is intrinsically disordered?

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That would suggest I was reducing the official RCC position to absurdity. Unfortunately it remains the mainstream view ( in theory) held by among others BXVI, Theology of the Body brigade, Courage, Father Marsden of course et alii. It’s all bull-shit, so why go alone with it? So you get somebody such as JPL, who clearly doesn’t believe or practise a word of it, still getting himself ordained and propositioning a policeman. Had he not been a priest, no body would have batted an eyelid.

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Probably sheer boredom for the younger ones, although I expect the older ones are quite happy with the amount of online gay porn available for them to avail 11 hours a week.

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But where do they get the time and all the energy from? Seriously though?

I’m 37 and can just about be bothered making my dinner in the evening and doing my chores, never mind swinging around the bedroom hanging from the lampshade or whatever else that goes that on these days lol.

If they are training to be priests and they are in their early-to-mid-wenties, then I can understand them having the energy, fair enough. I can also understand them still ‘finding’ their feet if that makes sense.

However, men who are in their thirties and ordained priests and are at it like rabbits with every Tom, Dick and Harry, is just not on.
They should well and truly have gotten it all out of their systems by thirty, and most certainly if choosing to be a priest, and even a priest or minister in another denomination for that matter.
I think so anyway.

Somebody above mentioned the celibate lifestyle is more of a ‘work’ in progress kind of thing, I agree with this; you are going to meet people you ‘warm’ to, that’s just biology and it’s not a bad or dirty thing: it’s a healthy thing, it means you’re alive.

It’s how you respond to that ‘warm’ fuzzy feeling which matters.
I you are a parish priest and end up having a snog with an adult single parishioner in the kitchen of the parochial hall, then that’s one thing.

However, if you are a parish priest and end up snogging an adult parishioner who is married, or even single but having personal issues or troubles going on in their life at the time, then this is socially and morally wrong and is harmful to individuals: not just reputations.

If we are not the most shining examples of the celibate lifestyle, then let’s not beat ourselves up over it; and don’t beat others up for it: work on things.

Just because a man or a woman has been ordained priest it does not mean that they are unable to still fall in love, or if they are walking down the street and see somebody who catches their eye that they won’t get that feeling in their belly (you know the one I mean 🥰 😂 lol).

Look; at the end of the day… if you are wanting to win the Duracell rabbit of the year award, then hang up your collar and go do it in your own back yard; don’t do it in our Church Community back yard.

If you want to be a priest or a minister, you have to behave and do your best to set an example.

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10.31: Pat, if you practised a little humility and less self importance, while still offering criticisms, you’d be more likeable. You bring an unnecessary, toxic edge to your disdain for Catholic Priests. Incidentally, legitimate questions and criticism of your world view does not make you a victim..I also think you exaggerate about being a non person…some clerics respect you.

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The Scottish Bishops have no control over anything and are only interested in themselves. Cardinal Winning must be turning in his grave watching that lot doing diddly squat. Scottish Dioceses are dens of gay sex, porn, masturbation, clergy humping each other or in gay relationships, grinder, poppers and total double standards. Glasgow and Paisley are the worst, closely followed by Motherwell, St Andrews and Edinburgh and then the others. Plenty more for Taggart and co to expose.

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Big J. You are right to a point, but the Bishops are slowly eradicating these behaviours. Big Phil and his VG are doing well in Glasgow. Even one of the most promiscuous guys has started behaving and saying his prayers again. God is good.

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Big Phil is a lovely man but is not well enough now to do much. He even gave up being the President of the Bishop’s conference which is now being run by a Bishop for the first time in history. He is also pissed off that he never got Cardinal and still lives in fear the Leo gets it.

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He came over very nice on Priest School, I thought, although I think he has learnt his lesson on talking about gay matters.

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Oooohhh, sounds fun up there in Scotland ! Just a couple of those predilections would keep me happy. The active gay priests up there are probably suffering a bit of a drought and famine because of the Covid restrictions – no saunas, very few gay bars with dark rooms open, al fresco areas less frequented etc. etc. So, have some pity for them. In their boredom they might dip in to their breviaries a bit more, Every cloud has a silver lining.

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They should come to Belfast instead as the sauna is open. Loads of bareback in the dark room so that will keep them happy

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Father xxxx xxxx, hiv+ and teaching seminarians, often uses the ‘library’ door late at night. Sure isn’t it grand that our religion have such an exciting late night social life. All tight jeans and skinny fitted t-shirts.

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+ Pat, the picture at the top of the blog today shows a youngish man looking forlorn and desperate. It gives an impression of a man in pain and crisis, who perhaps deserves some pity and compassion. Whereas, I think we all know, the actively sexual priests, particularly the gay ones, who are out and about having casual and anonymous sex, or going through a series of gay relationships, are not desperate and not deserving of compassion. They know exactly what they are doing, and they chose to do it, clinically, calculatingly and with focus. They are enjoying themselves, and have no regard for the egregious breaking of the public vows and promises that they made at ordination /profession. I have no pity, compassion or understanding to offer them. The should be brought to account, publicly, and I hope that you will continue to do so where you find such behaviour. Outing them is the only option. Ridiculing them as well. Pointing out their lack of integrity and their dishonesty. So, please keep it up. Bishops are not interested any more. The press has moved on to other things. This is one of the few places that these guys should worry about. I say name them and shame them.

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I think there has be some caution. There is a difference between a priest who has a “fall” and priests leading the full scale cynical promiscuous lifestyle.

I also think there us some difference between secular priests with a celibacy promise and a religious order priest with a solemn vow of chastity.

I think more is expected of bishops and abbots and cloistered monks.

And I worry about the widespread clerical gay mafia into saunas and shag fests.

And the ones showing their Willie’s and faces to younger people on the Internet.

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It’s the one’s leading the full scale cynical promiscuous lifestyle I’m talking about in 3:00 pm. The ones who have a ‘fall’ I have some time for, as long as they do the right thing and get back on track.

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1.08: MMM – I merely requested that you stop your sneering ridiculing of priests. This is not critical analysis. it is simply abuse, camouflaged as rational debate. Your cynical condescension belittles respectful argument.

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3.54
Why shouldn’t Romanist priests be ridiculed?
You make yourselves objects of ridicule through monumental hypocrisy.

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Well goodness me! Don’t you agree that they ARE ridiculous?
For the most part, I find their overbearing pomposity sublimely ridiculous and think it only right to regard them with the disdain they merit.
So, I refuse your request.
MMM

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My compassion for whoring Romanist priests, whether gay or straight, is limited by their willingness to turn their lives around.
I have sympathy with any man who knows that he is self-destructing through harmful behaviours, but none for the man who carries on regardless.

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Yes 6.07. Traditionalists by day. By night, slappers! Wearing women’s white stockings by day and other garments after dark.

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