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ENGLISH BISHOP TELLS HIS CLERGY TO CHARGE THE NHS FOR USING CHURCH HALLS AS COVID VACINE CENTRES !!!

DAVID OAKLEY – NORTHAMPTON DIOCESE

In a shocking move a new English Bishop – David Oakley of Northampton, has told his prirsts to charge the NHS for using Church property to administer the Covid cabinet to ordinary people.

In the midst of this current pandemic I find it shocking that a Christian clergyman is thinking about making money out of it.

Its drawing us back to the accusations that bishops did not want churches owed because of the losses to the collection plates.

I fully understand that churches, like everyone, need income.

But it leaves a bad taste in people’s mouths when so many are sick and dying.

The NHS is run on our payments and taxes.

It is overwhelmed at present and is struggling and needs the help and support of all of us.

Its not a time for asking the NHS for money.

Its time to give them as much as we can.

These vacine clinics will save the lives of bishops, priests and parishioners.

If the NHS is giving us all FREE vacines why should we charge them for bringing it to our parishes?

ROBERT HOURIGAN’S LETTER TO THE PRINCIPAL OF CISTERCIAN COLLEGE ROSCREA.

CISTERCIAN COLLEGE ROSCREA
Principal Grealish

14.11.20

Dear Mr. Grealish,

I direct your attention to an e-mail below sent on November 11, 2020 at 19.16 addressed to Fr. Malachy Thompson, the current monastic superior of Mount St. Joseph Abbey. At the time of writing, it has not received the courtesy of an acknowledgement and/or an undertaking of a reply. I invite you to read the said e-mail, carefully, because it begets a number of important questions that I now outlined within the present.

Question One.
As the Principle of the College, were you or the Trustees of the Cistercian College and/or the Board of Management aware that allegations of sexual impropriety had been made against the former Abbot and Patron of the Cistercian College, Fr. Richard Purcell?

Question Two.
Were you aware that Fr. Richard Purcell had consensual anal sex with an ex-priest of the Diocese of Killaloe in the monastery guesthouse? You would accept the proposition that the stated action of Richard Purcell in the monastery guesthouse with somebody who was contemplating joining the monastery was an abuse of abbatial authority?

Question Three.
Were you aware that the event referred to within question two is “open secret” among priests within the Diocese of Killaloe, and the matter was known to the previous and current Roman Catholic bishops of Killaloe?

Question Four.
Were you aware the allegation pertaining to Richard Purcell is known to, and has been ignored for some time by the current Abbot General of the Cistercians, Dom Eamon Fitzgerald?

Question Five.
Would you consider the inexplicable silence and on-going inaction of Dom Eamon Fitzgerald in this matter to be wholly unacceptable and not conducive to the positive reputation of the Cistercian College?

Question Six.
Would you further accept that his silence in light of educational best practice today is indicative of a cover-up?

The current Abbot of Glenstal Abbey, Dom Brendan Coffey, OSB under the auspices of the Bishop of Meath, Thomas Deenihan attempted to procure a statement from a monk and priest of Silverstream Priory that was exculpatory of the behaviour of Fr. Richard Purcell. There are e-mails and other evidence to affirm the statement. Moreover, the whistle-blower is prepared to make a solemn statement under oath and be subject to cross-examination on this fact.

I have suggested that the behaviour of Abbot Brendan Coffey is so compromised; he has no choice but to resign as the Abbot of Glenstal due to his oversight of the school. His behaviour is not indicative to a culture of safeguarding.

In light of the above, I would respectfully suggest that you put the following questions to Fr. Malachy Thompson. It has been alleged by people posting on the blog run by the independent bishop, Pat Buckley, that the allegations concerning Purcell were known Fr. Aelred Magree; hence, both of them might-be able to provide guidance on the following five (5) questions.

Question Seven.
For how long have they been aware about the allegations pertaining to Fr. Richard Purcell?

Question Eight.
If they were aware of the allegations, why did both monks remain silent about same?

Question Nine.
Was the then Br. Malachy (before his ordination to the priesthood) aware of the allegations when he was appointed superior of the Abbey?

Question Ten.
Was Br. Malachy aware of the allegations concerning Purcell, when he was appointed to a management/trustees/supervisory role in the Cistercian College? If so, why did he remain silent?

Question Eleven.
Are the allegations about Fr. Purcell’s behaviour known to any other monks within the monastic community at Mount St. Joseph Abbey? Do any of these monks have involvement in the management of the Cistercian College and/or do they have day-to-day contact with pupils either in the classroom or pastorally?

Question Twelve.
Prior to the receipt of this e-mail, did you hear any rumours/supposition that there were questions around Dom Richard Purcell’s moral behaviour? If these allegations were known to you, did you ever challenge Richard Purcell about his behaviour?

I am mindful that you will find that question offensive, but in light of what is contained within the present; it is an appropriate question. It is also a question that will be asked by an official from the Department of Education and/or an official from the Charities Regulator.

Question Thirteen.
Were the allegations about Purcell’s behaviour in the monastery guesthouse known when the Cistercian College was fundraising in order to remain open?

Question Fourteen.
If so, were they deliberately kept occult in order not to impede fundraising efforts to avert the closure of the Cistercian College? If, this is indeed the case, how does the Cistercian College, now attempt to defend the indefensible?

The behaviour of Richard Purcell was known to the Abbot General of the Order of the Cistercians of the Strict Observance, Dom Eamon Fitzgerald — an affidavit can attest to this reality.

Question Fifteen.
Thus, if the allegations are known to Dom Eamon, would you accept that a reasonable outsider would find it implausible to accept that Fr. Malachy Thompson was unaware of the allegations concerning Richard Purcell, and that it would be specious for Fr. Malachy to assert the contrary?

Question Sixteen.
If you accept the reasoning in question fifteen and accept that Fr. Malachy had to be aware of the allegations; it naturally follows, he chose to remain silent about same — do you consider that until this matter is independently investigated, Fr. Malachy Thompson, should step aside as a Trustee of the Cistercian College, and have no involvement in the day-to-day administration of the school until this matter is impartially investigated?

Question Fifteen.
Would you accept until the allegations concerning Fr. Richard Purcell, the former Abbot and Ordinary of Mount St. Joseph Abbey have been publicly denied and/or subjected to an independent canonical investigation — there should be, sadly, no monks from Mount St. Joseph Abbey involved in the College under any circumstances?

It has been further alleged by people posting on the blog run by the independent bishop, Patrick Buckley that the allegations concerning Purcell were known to an ex-employee. However, they have not indicated was this an ex-employee of the Cistercian College or the monastery.

Question Sixteen.
If this is correct, are you in a position to confirm if the employee referred to — is an ex-employee of the college, and is not subject to any non-disclosure agreement?

Question Seventeen.
If the employee is subject to a non-disclosure agreement — can the individual be released from same — in order to speak to investigators from the Department of Education and/or or the Charities Regulator about the allegations pertaining to Purcell and potentially the cover-up of his behaviour within the Cistercian College?

Question Eighteen.
Do you consider in light of these allegations, Fr. Richard Purcell should resign as the Abbot of Mount Melleray Abbey?

Question Nineteen.
Would you be happy with the contents of this correspondence to be presented to the Charities Regulator?

Question Twenty.
Would you, the Trustees of the Cistercian College, along with the Board of Management, be happy for me to present this e-mail along any reply from you to the Minister for Education, Ms. Norma Foley, next Tuesday?

Question Twenty-One.
Do you consider in light of the present, that these matters need to be presented to the Charities Regulator, and will the Cistercian College (RCN: 20008680) self-report?

Obviously, I am truly sorry to be bringing these matters to your attention, however, the on-going silence of Dom Eamon Fitzgerald and others about these allegations mean these matters have not to be referred to the civil authorities in order to bring what is arcane into the public domain. The matter is particularly serious in light of the fact that the culture of cover-up eloquently articulated by the silence of Dom Eamon Fitzgerald is not conducive to a positive safeguarding environment.

If the Abbot General of the Cistercians is prepared to remain silent about Purcell’s behaviour, and the abbot of another monastery in another congregation is looking for a get out of jail card for Purcell — it leads to the legitimate question — would similar efforts be made to cover-up for a monk who is facing an allegation of misconduct involving a pupil of the Cistercian College? And, that is why this is so important. Of course, this matter would not have occurred in the first place if Richard Purcell had behaved in accordance with his solemn monastic vows. In light of your professional expertise and background that does not need to be elucidated any further in the present.

I would be grateful for a prompt acknowledgement of the present, along with an outline of the steps you will be undertaking to deal with these matters promptly and professionally.

Sincerely,

Robert Hourigan.

From: Robert Hourigan
Sent: 11 November 2020 19:16
To: malachy@msjroscrea.ie <malachy@msjroscrea.ie>
Cc: frmagee@yahoo.co.uk <frmagee@yahoo.co.uk>; efitz.45@gmail.com <efitz.45@gmail.com>; ocsoroma@gmail.com <ocsoroma@gmail.com>
Subject: Concerning Your Predecessor — Richard Purcell.

Dear Dom Malachy,

You may/may not be aware of certain matters concerning the behaviour of your predecessor, Dom Richard Purcell when he was the Abbot and Ordinary of Mount St. Joseph Abbey involving a former priest of the Diocese of Killaloe in the monastery guesthouse. I would suggest that you familiarise yourself with these allegations with all haste and discuss them as a matter of urgency with the Abbot General, Dom Eamon Fitzgerald. Of course, it is legitimate to enquire — did you have any knowledge of these allegations pertaining to Richard Purcell when you were appointed superior of the Abbey?

This afternoon, the involvement of Abbot Brendan Coffey, OSB of Glenstal Abbey and his inexcusable and inexplicable behaviour — seeking a statement of exculpation for Dom Richard Purcell’s rampant and grossly immoral behaviour — was brought to the attention of Tulsa. In light of my family connections with the Cistercians, I would greatly wish not to bring the Cistercian College into the purview of Tulsa and the Department of Education.

Dom Eamon for the greater good of the Cistercian College and the Abbey should either seek the resignation of Dom Richard as a matter of considerable urgency and/or issue a public denial. The on-going silence of the Abbot General is surprising and unacceptable.

It has been asserted by anonymous parties on the blog run by Pat Buckley that the allegations pertaining to Richard Purcell were known about by Fr. Aelred Magee, OCSO and an ex-employee of the college. I trust if the regulators are involved Fr. Aelred will (if the allegations are true) give a full and frank disclosure to the investigators and the ex-employee will be identified voluntarily by you and/or the Principal of the Cistercian College, and that co-operation will be forthcoming from all parties, i.e., the college and the abbey.

You will appreciate that the on-going cover-ups (note the plural) of Purcell’s behaviour is not indicative and illustrative of the ethos and contiguous practise of safeguarding expected in any school — particularly a school as prestigious as the Cistercian College. In light of the present, do you consider it is necessary for the college to make a disclosure to Tulsa and/or any other regulatory body?

Respectfully, I remain,

Robert Hourigan

147 replies on “ENGLISH BISHOP TELLS HIS CLERGY TO CHARGE THE NHS FOR USING CHURCH HALLS AS COVID VACINE CENTRES !!!”

We know where Oakley ended up. But, what has happened to Fr David Marsden, the seminariies’ expert on masturbation and sexual orientation and inappropriate poking in to the lives of seminarians under the guise of formation and counselling ? Sounds to me as though there could be a case for being struck off with that behaviour.

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0959 NOYB ? Really ? If he’s in public ministry, it is my business, because the man is dangerous……. He would not get away with it in any other walk of life. So, I’m interested to know how he gets away with it in the Church ? I admire Oakley and Maynooth for getting rid of him. The question is, where is he spreading his poison and obsession these days ?

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I bet you haven’t been to Mass in years, 10:15, so away with your faux outrage. You are a queeny gay of a certain age, no doubt.

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Father David Marsden is most likely back with his order the Sacred Heart Father GB and Ireland.
However he did write some stories in Catholic Truth about the Bishops accepting very pro active gay people
Father David resigned from Maynooth and was sacked from Oscott for being very concerned that the Rector was willing to recommend seminarian’s for ordination knowing they were actively Gay.
David Oakley gift was made Bishop of Northampton

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10.29 There is No decision as yet about Scots College Rome however it needs massive repairs so the Bishop’s will decide in the New Year.
However they have said do they need Rome and Spain with very few in each of them.
Both needing vast amounts of money spent on them that the Bishop’s Conference does not have.
The theme seems to be more parish based formation.
But remember there is a lack of Real Leadership in Scotland even +Leo has been a let down

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The college in Spain is self-sufficient. It is funded by rents from college-owned properties in Madrid.

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With the English College now accepting Irish sems, following the closure of the Irish College, the Scots College on the way out, and the remaining British and Irish seminaries mostly empty, perhaps its time for a single British Isles College , either in the capital (using the current Allan Hall site) or in a repurposed English College, Rome.

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If the Scots College in Spain is anything like Valladolid it was endowed by the Spanish Crown and so is not only well off but protected, so I doubt that the bishops could flog them off and fritter away the cash. No idea where the future of formation lies, but the concept of a vibrant lay-involved parish, so beloved in the seventies, has also turned out to be a busted flush. Let’s face it, outside the traditionalist parishes, which are only ever going to be a niche interest, nobody – least of all the bishops – has a clue where we are going.

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Hope so. Then we wouldn’t have to see that awful purple cassock they wear, flaunting themselves around St Peter’s Square on high feasts and holidays, usually looking either too well fed and lardy, or scrawny, spotty and feral as if they had come straight from the Gorbals, with nothing in between.

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God be with the days before Vatican II stripped the Church of beauty and made our churches look like Ulster Presbyterian meeting halls. Until the 1960s and 70s the Roman colleges each had distinctive house cassocks, with different colours for each college. It was quite a sight, seeing them at breaktime on the steps of the Greg. Only the Scots, Urban, Propaganda Fide and North American colleges keep up the tradition.

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Mr. Grealish is a friend of mine. I taught with him. He will be absolutely enraged with his name being associated in any way with spurious allegations of reckless endangerment. This is outrageous. Child safeguarding matters are a priority at all times at Mt. Saint Joseph College. The innuendos here are sinister and dangerous.

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Then, your friend, Mr. Grealish will have no problem answering the questions in a prompt fashion. The issue here is the cover-up of Purcell’s behaviour at Mount St. Joseph Abbey, and that raises real questions about safeguarding within the Cistercian College.

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I had the impression the tactic was to induce parents to induce him into giving Coffey a stern talking to / find a different patron. The point is, that the message is coming from Coffey and the order he belongs to, not Mr Hourigan nor (we expect) Mr Grealish.

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@ 4:49 pm

Speaking of crashes, what happened to the, “Bangor Monks”, who threatened Bishop Buckley when this saga first broke? What order do the, ” Bangor Monks,” belong to, I wonder….

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It’s Cistercian College Roscrea not Mount St Joseph’s College and anyone who went there or worked there would know that

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The pussies don’t belong to Oakley but to his Secretary, Fr James Evans of Oscott fame. Why he needs a new priest secretary is beyond me becauae he already has a lay Secretary. Northampton is one of the richest dioceses in England and should not be penny pinching.

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MYOB trailer trash @ 2.32pm. There is no crime in owning a few cats. The diocese will use its money as it sees fit you false fool. I doubt you made any contributions.

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The priest secretary is not there to take shorthand type letters or make tea and coffee for visitors. It’s a different role, rather like a Private Secretary to a Government Minister.

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You have written in the plural “pussies” when that is not the case.
Bishop Oakley and it is His Lordship to you has only moved one Priest into Bishops house as His personal secretary to assist the Diocesan P.A. and he will also serve as supply to the Cathedral.
Sadly he does not have the luxury to move some into Bishops house as some clergy have two or three parishes known as clusters.

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Bishop Pat the UK Government gave Churches money from the Coronavirus fund did Northampton not take it.
The Communities Minister allocated money to Churches in England and Wales.

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@5.20pm Then why did the previous bishop Doyle manage for several years without a priest secretary. This freed up a priest to look after a parish rather than do a desk job. Oakley seems full of his own importance. The time for desk job priests is over so get them out into parishes instead and the real world. Not stuck in some palatial pile twiddling their thumbs and in this case stroking their pussies.

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Is there a network of “Houses” in America where the likes of Elijah learn their money management? They deserve consultancy / placement fees.

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Another disgusting example from Holy Mother charging for use of church halls in such a situation. Anyone who remains part of HMC is supporting this as well as all the other abuses that go on. A silent presence is also one that supports such things. “Silence in the face of evil is not an option.”

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Shows you how much you know about charity law. Parishes and dioceses are registered charities and as such they are required to maximise returns for the charity, so they much charge for use of assets by third parties.

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That’s a new one so who are they hopefully Oakley is sacking them now.

All eyes are on who gets East Anglia is it one of Vinnie’s pals as a farewell.
And how long will Pope Francis leave Vinnie in Westminster however I just hope Clergy, Religious and Lay faithful have all made it clear to the Nuncio Vinnie MUST go.

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It would be prudent to inform parents council if any of Roscrea and Glenstal schools re ongoing case here in this blog. These monasteries are relying their incomes from their respective boarding schools. Boarding schools aren’t ideal cos it tend to happen as regards to abuses. I have been there myself. Imagine that mobiles back years ago would have enabled us to speak to outside channels.
Perhaps I would suggest is that only way to get their attention and act is money. Money talks cos their main income is their boarding schools as they aren’t taxed cos of their charity status. Hence my suggestion is inform parents council of these boarding schools mentioned on this blog. This might wake them up a bit and perhaps act. It’s imperative that every patents who sent their sons know re ongoing activities of the erring monks. Thus they might have second thoughts of enrolment which in turn may affect schools income. No boarding schools want a bad publicity such as this. I’m sure that rcc as usual will turn a blind eye to glenstal/coffey and Mt Melleray /Purcell plus visitation/kirby and hoping for the best that it will die out or fade away. But what does get their attention is bad publicity and money goes elsewhere as well.

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Cistercian College, Roscrea is subsidised by the monatery, not the other way round. When the school was on the verge of closure one of the reasons given was the financial burden on the monastery. In fact, when closure was averted the school acknowledged the large financial contribution from the monks.

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10.08

So the monks were loaded, then? What of those vows of poverty they rattled off at profession? What of them, indeed? A total charade.

And if these monks had such large sums to spare, why didn’t they feed the poor with them, or shelter the homeless? Instead, they spent it on maintaining white educational privilege at a private, fee-paying school.

Jesus would have approved. Wouldn’t he?😕

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And karma as in parents had to run around like fools trying to raise money to keep school open so pupils had the school. All monks have to do is answer questions or get the monastery in order not go around trying to raise hard earned money. By the way why bring it to this and expose all this can the head Abbot not answer your questions and leave the school out of it

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Why did the parents need to send them to a fee-paying school? Parents who send their children off to boarding schhols obviously don’t want to be full-time parents.

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10:19, are you as thick as champ. The monks were not rich. How could they be when they were handing over most of their income from rents and the shop to subsidise the school. It outs them in debt.

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The Bishops of England and Wales did not want the liability of having churches open during the first lockdown for private prayer which lasted a week before they requested the government refine its ruling. Egan was the only one who broke rank towards the end and expressed a pause for regret no one else, they were sending pastoral letters about hand washing and that the Church was not a building. Recently they decided they would appear to be the champion of their flock by writing a letter asking what the scientific basis was as the buildings were being washed down with fairy liquid after every Mass. The pastoral letters that weekend were all carbon copies talking about how public worship is good for mental health, the Bishop of Leeds said humans have a spirit ( not a soul), Dark Mavis said again it was regrettable and Egan wrote two sides which at least contained modern middle of the road Catholicism. Unsurprisingly and quite rightly all of this was dismissed with one comment by Boris. Where are the pastoral letters about helping the unemployed or the dying at this time? Not a word about the abuse enquiry other than to refuse to speak, Nichols response was ‘ we are on a journey’ ‘ we all feel that pain’, it’s staggering that in 2020 the same attitude persists. Oakley shouldn’t have been a rector of a seminary let alone a Bishop, people dislike Marsden but look at the response to his letter by Longley ‘ it bears no resemblance to the Oscott I know’, frankly it was a very mild description of a deeply dysfunctional environment and only touched on a few very obvious problems

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Totally agree 7.19am Oakley should not have been running a seminary let alone becoming a bishop. He knowingly allowed gay seminarians to proceed to ordination.

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Homophobia very early on a Sunday morning. I pity your breakfast companion(s), even (which is likely) if only a dog and a cat.

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He and the Bishops of England and Wales have knowingly supported and ordained men who’s past and present history demonstrates that chastity is beyond them and that they have no sincere aspiration to resist temptation in that area. They are not given any serious spiritual direction in that area, and even those Bishops lauded as trad have some very intimate relationships with the most unsuitable candidates for the priesthood , Egan and John Paul Lyttle is in the public domain but there are many more. If people genuinely believe that the morality on sexuality is out of date then they should be doing something positive to change it not trying to wreck it from within. The most likely candidate for an English seminary today is a gay man who stopped practicing the faith, came back to it and now is convinced that means they should be a priest, not that the graces they’ve received are for the ordinary Christian life of all the baptised

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1.14 “the graces they’ve received are for the ordinary Christian life of all the baptised”

Since the politician Aquinas – via Unitatis Redintegratio – the baptised aren’t supposed to receive graces so there isn’t supposed to be an ordinary Christian life, and lay man / woman / child isn’t a vocation.

For the likes of Chautard there was no obsession with “orientation” as such (and sacraments and clergy barely get a look into his scheme). Chautard’s completely unknown book only just fell into my hands and I immediately passed it on assuming it has been decreed to be utterly irrelevant and I have to obey the decrees and not my imagination & discretion.

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Yes Oakley is guilty of allowing so many pulpit pooves into the priesthood. The man has no shame, his reward for this scandal is being made a bishop.

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Oscott = drink, sex, boyfriends, girlfriends (very few), girly gossip and giggles, dressing up, a bit of theology, a bit of pastoral stuff, and hey presto, you got yourself a priest.

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Oscott College, seminarians take out student loans with no intention of paying them back, have NUS cards for discounts, wear hoddies like fourteen year olds in the nineties, have rooms filled with TVs, computers, lap tops, phones gadgets, can be absent from 2pm on Tuesday till 7pm Thursday without anyone knowing where, the Latin exam at the end of the first year is to translate the names of the rooms, plagiarism for work is rife, over eating is the norm etc

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A nearly perfect description of Maynooth. All you need add for it is head melting formators, sapphic battleaxe nuns, pushy lay students and a very high quota of gays on the staff.

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Along with every other seminary Rector, had Oakley not presented the usual gaggle of queens for ordination, whom would he then have had to offer other than a handful of old crocs washed up from the C of E? We persist in peddling the outrageous con that the lads have selflessly torn themselves away from weeping girlfriends in order to live lives of sacrifice and service to others. The Thorn Birds has a lot to answer for, though it got one thing right that the Richard Chamberlin priest had his clerical advancement paid for!

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+ Pat, rather than concentrating on Northampton and their renting of premises, really you should be casting your focus on + Nichols of Westminster and his brazen and arrogant dismissal of the IICSA judgement on him, which would see anybody else in any other walk of life shown the door, or do the decent thing and resign. He is doing damage to the Church in England and Wales by his attitude. He’s also disingenuous, because he’s saying that the Pope has told him to stay, but that was on the issue of his reaching his 75th, not on the issue of the scathing criticism made of him by IICSA. When he wrote to Rome offering to resign, it will have been to do with his 75th. The IICSA report was still embargoed, and even though it was generally known that he would be criticised, I don’t think anybody expected such a definitive even if economical and short critique of his leadership and attitude to victims. So, that would not have been the basis on which the Pope asked him remain. Now that it is known, will the Pope do the decent thing that Nichols will not do himself, and tell him to resign? Will the England and Wales bishops who will be meeting imminently to consider this report and their response, see their first duty as removing Nichols as chair and encouraging him to resign ? I think that there will be a considerable body of opposition to him in the bishops’ conference – many do not warm to him or like him and his ambition, arrogance and distain for them and for so many others. It is time for + Nichols to go off to his caravan, or his villa in France, or his Chiswick pad with Sr Raw to look after him. He’s a man of the past, and not the man we need to lead us anymore.

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Here we go again…Pat, you don’t have a Parish to administer, you don’t have to worry about income for the upkeep of a church, parish centre and the usual financial costs associated with such. There is nothing wrong with asking for and accepting a fee for usage of parish premises. Absolutely nothing wrong. During the 1st lockdown our parish centre was offered for free to the local Gardai for emergency purposes. Yet, they insisted on giving a donation as it was requested on behalf of the HSE as a venue for critical meetings. I was delighted that it was used. I offered it for free but the departments of Health and Justice insisted in an agreed fee for usage. So, unless you are in a situation of responsibly administering a Parish with little income at present, you should stop lecturing others and always finding fault with every cleric whose name flashes befire you. MYOB.. Incidentally, the two state agencies gave a substantial donation in the end which will be used for the Senior Citizens New Year Party…Get a grip, Buckley.

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9.20
Nothing wrong? Nothing wrong with screwing money out of an already hard-pressed national health service during a global pandemic, effectively during a national emergency?
I suppose there is indeed nothing wrong…if you belong to one of the most parasitical, sponging and mooching institutions in the history of the human race.
If this were wartime, I’d call out you parasites for what you really are: profiteers.
If I were a Roman Catholic in that diocese, I’d be out in the streets to protest ‘Not in my name. Never in my name.’.

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There is no NHS in the Free State. Most people have to pay for GP consultations and need health insurance. That’s one of the many reasons Ulster will never vote to leave our United Kingdom.

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@10:13: Very well said!
Debating “That the Catholic Church is a force for good “, Stephen Fry, referring to its wealth, said, “When it hands over its ill gotten wealth to the poor, then I’ll concede it does some good, but while its hierarchical masters swan about in palaces and robes telling the poor and disadvantaged to offer up their suffering as prayers, ……how can anyone believe that it is a force for good?”
The motion, at a debate in London involved Ann Widdecombe MEP, with a prominent African Bishop FOR the motion, and Christopher Hitchens with Fry AGAINST the motion. The motion was overwhelming rejected.
MMM

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@11:48: Three counties of Ulster are NOT in your wonderful disunited kingdom. Didn’t you realise?
And before long, all that will be left of it will be a rump of England squabbling between the London/home counties haves, and the have-nots of northern England.

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Excellent observation by MMM at 12:34. Apart from the arguments, whoever could have imagined that Ann Widecombe and some bishop nobody had ever heard of could take on Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry? I also recall an excruciatingly embarrassing TV debate chaired by Robin Ray in the seventies between Professor AJ Ayer and Barbara Wooton on one side and the ailing Cardinal Heenan and a Catholic housewife on the other. What is about Catholics today that they simply don’t get it, so rely on bull-shit? That it doesn’t have to be like this is evinced by the brilliant post-war radio discussions between Father Copleston and Bertrand Russell – and later between Copleston and Aye, who became friends. Pat is so right that the canonization of the Pole was yet another example of this arrogance without substance – now the pigeons are coming home to roost.

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How much of Fry’s millions has he given away? What about your platinum-plated public sector pension, MMM, paid for by people, the majority of whom will never enjoy such largesse. The only people you give to, MMM, is Arthur Guinness, Paddy Power and J. Arthur Rank.

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10.13: You obviously know nothing about parish administrations, charities regulation act, finances, the need for parishes to generate income for Parish services, pay for electricity….ancillary staff. Since you are not a Catholic, go lick your arse….and use your energy for useful works of charity…

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I came to the blog this morning for another chapter in the Cistercian saga, and it is a sorry saga. It is gripping reading.
As a recently retired school principle Mr Hourigan’s list of questions reminded me of the nightmare of school administration. They will provide officious inspectors keen for promotion the tools to explore every aspect of the relationship between the abbey and the college.
I now believe that Mr Hourigan has advice from a number of people. If he pushes this with the minster, Cistercian College and Glenstal School will now have to be investigated. In light of what we have read in recent days on +Pat’s blog that I think has to be a welcome development.

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OMG! A recently retired school ‘principle’ (sic) who can’t even spell his past title properly!
And as for punctuation and grammar? Doesn’t suggest much hope for those you “educated.”

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11:48 am
Ireland has the medical card system which provides access to medical services, prescription medicines and hospital care for free. See hse.ie

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Do you pay for your Covid masks?
Do you get your sanitizing gel for free?
Are you charged for lighting, heating and insurance?

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https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/13557/priests-upset-at-being-judged-for-mass-performance-
I’ve sympathy for priests who are feeling isolation during Covid 19, as this article reports. It’s a lonely enough life being a priest, but that is the choice each of us has made, and what the Church has decided that it wishes to require of us if we want to be priests. But the latter bit of this article really does suggest that we are becoming a bit precious ! Being judged and critiqued is part and parcel of life, for pretty much everybody. Get a proper job, and you will find that you have annual reviews which point out your strengths and weaknesses, and if you are not performing telling you to pull up your socks. So, if priests are feeling a bit touchy about the Mass-Hoppers criticising their streaming Mass performances, the solution is simple – get some help, get some training, and take it seriously, and do the very best you can, rather than just relying on amateurish native wit. Then feeling sorry for yourself. We only have ourselves to blame.

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By facing the people at Mass doing jokes and general attention-seeking japes on sanctuaries redesigned to look like stages the clergy turned themselves into performers, so they can expect to get critiques of their show.

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I have to say this from reading Robert Hourigan’s latest communication about Richard Purcell: Hourigan comes across, with his need for detail, as something of an obsessive.
Does he really believe that this school principal will take his concerns seriously when his religious employers have so far all ignored them?
Hourigan seems not only obsessive, but increasingly desperate ; almost an object of pity.
I think, Pat, that he is going to lose this one and make a fool of himself, just as Patricia McKeever made a fool of herself over that English seminarian whose ordination to the priesthood she tried but failed to prevent. Trouble is: your reputation tends to suffer from the fallout.

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FYI there is actually no way those who expose the criminality and duplicity of the church can fail. In the past you could cover things up, but now there is nowhere to hide.

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10.48
No way they can fail? Really? Tell this to Marie Collins and Peter Standford, both of whom resigned in frustration from The Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors.
And while you are at it, tell it as well to Robert Hourigan, whose efforts so far, having run from pillar to post and back, have been spectacular failures.
You are kidding yourself if you think that such lone protests will bring to heel a morally recalcitrant institution. This requires the muscle of international media, but the bold Robert is effectively on his ownyo in this one, because secular media just don’t give a damn about such a rotten institution. Nor, may I say, do most Catholics.
Indifference is the perfect place to hide one’s morally dirty linen. And it’s working very well for Purcell, and his backers.
In the end, Robert will be just… amusing, before he becomes an utter bore.

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My reading of the data presented, is that Mr Grealish must have been worrying sick for some time, how to get the Cistercians off his back in view (not least) of all the money that has gone missing from them and their associates.

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This bl8g us ingabited by many ibsessive fools snd sonecwill fall from their mifty pedestals as yet. As serious as the issues that are being alleged, there is something not quite right, appropriate or moral about Hourigan’s repeat narratives and printing so much definitive judgments, implicit or otherwise, in the event of a civil case. This Sunday I will pray for all at the centre if this story, including Hourigan… and Pat.

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@09:36.
I would have preferred if you had praised to my attention to detail rather than wrote about my “need for detail”. Detail is important when you are dealing with matters of this nature for reasons you fail to appreciate.
However, you do ask a legitimate question: “Does he really believe that this school principal will take his concerns seriously when his religious employers have so far all ignored them?” The answer is: YES.
Mr. Grealish unlike his “religious employers” is regulated by the Teaching Council of Ireland. His registration number is: 140341. Therein, lies an important difference.

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If the principal does not act his teaching career is over. I can imagine the Cistercian College will be on to their lawyers on Monday. They will have no choice.

This is getting very serious.Hourigan is playing a clever long game. He is asking the questions that will but the Department of Education into overdrive. As a retired school principle I can tell you that Hourigan and his questions are the stuff of nightmares.

If this is shown to be true. The monks in the future may no longer be permitted to have involvement in the college or they will be severely curtailed. That would be a shame but it is looking more and more likely.

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Today has brought up very interesting comments.
I have now reached the point where the more the church (that is the clergy) acts with entitlement and ignores everyone else.
That is the real way its ongoing place of privilege will collapse. Who in their right mind can look up to any religious leader who despite supposedly being trained in morals defends child abusers and allows them to continue?
You are all so far out of touch it’s like looking into a fictional world, comparable to that of Trollope.
As for being obsessed with masturbation, I can’t even.

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Yes, the Anglicans have a few boarding schools. The Anglicans in Ireland invented the Magdalene laundries and the Bethany homes.

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11.52

And the Romanists, eager to set a marvellous Christ-like lead, copied them, and then surpassed them in efficiency, lucrativeness, and exploitation.

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5.25
But they weren’t claiming to be God’s representatives on Earth, and agents of the ‘one true church’.

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5:25, you’re right, the Anglicans and secular social workers made no such claims but the children suffered anyway. I am concerned about all suffering, whether it was caused by Catholics, Anglicans or the secular authorities. I don’t choose to ignore certain suffering because it doesn’t fit an anti-Catholic narrative.

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The Anglicans make and made in their Magdalen laundries and Bethany homes the bold claim to be the Church of Ireland, despite only a tiny % of the population (all descended from Planters) being members of that ecclesial community.

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@11:09
You are kidding yourself if you think that such lone protests will bring to heel a morally recalcitrant institution.
Agreed. That is why a group of us have instructed a Rotal Advocate in Rome to seek the removal of Purcell, and if it goes to a Tribunal, his dismissal from the clerical state. Pat Buckley has a copy of the letter that sets out our position to the Abbot General of the Cistercians. And, that is what why we have legal advice to force the issue with this regulatory authorities here in Ireland. This will take time. The blog postings have been brilliant because people have contacted us with information. You have to work within the system.
Indifference is the perfect place to hide one’s morally dirty linen. And it’s working very well for Purcell, and his backers.
Agreed. Richard Purcell for the moment is the church equivalent of Séamus Woulfe.

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11:48
Whatever your identity, there is no ambiguity about your fixation on sexual sin. And your wilful blindness towards your lust for power. Power is seductive. You are delusional in expecting two (last count) people will resign because you don’t approve of them.

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1.47: Hooligan is fixated on sexual sins and alleging all kinds of child safeguarding recklessness – without proper and reliable validation – which is very dangerous on a blog like this. He is hoping that a law suit will be taken understand Defamation Act so that he can even up with someone or many who may have thwarted his ambitions or rejected him. There is a very unsavoury dimension his webs of changing narratives and the numerous individuals and entities for whom he has disdain and against whom he is attributing serious crimes. This is not just about his moral and spiritual righteousness being hurt. He – Hooligan – is orchestrating a very vicious vendetta. I believe he will have a great humiliation.

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I’m the poster at 11.09.

The Roman Rota is an appellate court, which means only that it hears appeals against the decisions of lower canonical courts.

Have you had Richard Purcell tried in such a lower court, because you would have to, in order to appeal its decision with the Roman Rota?

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The Roman Rota depending on the nature of complaint addressed within the delation, has original jurisdiction i.e., it can try delicts at first instance with the appeal thereafter to the Apostolic Signatura. Richard Purcell is in a slightly special category, because he is an Ordinary. However, I have not said Tribunal and/or Dicastery will receive the delation. Tomorrow, the letter to the Abbot General, Dom Eamon Fitzgerald will feature on this blog.

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3.28 The Local Diocesan Tribunals cannot deal with Religious Orders as they are responsible directly to Rome.
A strange set up but that’s the case a Bishop can only invite a Religious Order to come to his Dioceses or leave but has no say over individuals.
This will all blow over as the Bishops and the Abbots do not seem bothered.

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Is so-called Robert Hourigan a spoiled priest/spoiled monk? In my experience such men are as mad as a brush and all their lives carry the rejection and broken dream as an open wound.

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4.11

If you are not sure whether your delict will get an airing at the Rota, then what are you seeking from it?

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Seminarians claiming Student Loans in England and Wales had not previously occurred to me. Does anybody know whether that means that the seminaries are also able to milk tuition fees of 10K per annum from Student Finance England, and on top of that the lads are claiming maintenance loans which in London (Allen Hall) would be 12K per annum? None of this would ever be repaid to the British tax-payer.

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All entirely within the rules. If you don’t earn enough later you don’t repay the loan. If any of the lads leave and get well-paid lay jobs they will pay off the loans.

Lots of EU students, including those from Eire, leech off the UK taxpayer by taking UK student loans which they have no intention to repay and which are written off by the Student Loan Company when the EU students return home.

Yet another incentive to lift the unpopular Brussels jackboot.

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Thank you for your observation @1:41pm . It may seem off topic, but one could learn a lot from obiter dicta – that’s your actual Latin! I’d just like to raise a couple of questions:

1. Should the tax-payer be funding courses which not only benefit a % of the community (i.e. Catholics) but discriminate against others (e.g. gays)?

2. If the Scots are so keen on independence, how will they deal with a situation wherein the English taxpayer subsidizes each Scot to the tune of ca. GBP 1,500 extra per year for essential services such as health and education? I’d suggest this is a bigger issue than BREXIT.

My own view relates to the core Catholic values of the common good.

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2:52. If you had a woke test to determine who gets a Student Loan who would pass it? Would Muslims pass it. Lots of them have strong views on gay people, as do Free Presbyterians, for example.

I agree with you about the Scots and their puzzling dual wish to be free of London control but subject to the EU. The UK is basically a racket to extract money from London and the south-east before sending it to the complainers in the pocket-size parliaments in Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast. The subsidy to NI is even bigger per capita than Scotland’s – spend per head on public services in NI is about £6,500 more than England, and the NI block grant (the gap between taxes raised in NI and public spending there) is more than the annual cost of EU membership. Belfast costs more than Brussels.

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I believe the seminaries can do this down south. I also know that seminarians in Scotland can do this. A complete joke. I see on the good old Paisley vocations page that the sem is back leading their vocation prayers last week. Where actually is he?

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I heard he is on some time out at the moment. Keeping a very low profile in his diocese and has not been seen anywhere near his home parish since September. His formators and co will no doubt be trying to create a path in for him and turn their eyes away from the double life stuff.

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12 34: MMM – What page from your repeat diary did this slop come from? You have quoted it so iften that it’s a broken record…I suppose OAP’s get confused and repetitive..The church does indeed carry out incredible charitable work. You need to take off your blindfold to see them, you boring, hateful fool. What actual satisfaction does your hatred and disdain give you apart from moral bankruptcy.. Incidentally, how much do you give to worthy causes, if any, out of your considerable, comfortable pension?

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Well we could hardly expect anything other than self serving promotional guff from the Iona Institute Mr 1:43. It’s really only proselytising promotional advertising.
And an organisation like the RCC saying “Look at the good we do” is a bit like the professional burglar who only robs the rich, but is kind to his granny.
I quite accept that many altruistic individuals provide necessary services under the RCC’s umbrella. But I leave others to assess the value of their contributions versus the negative influences their organisations cause.
MMM

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MMM is not a registered charity. Whatever causes he supports are his own business; other than they – not he – might claim taxable benefit if he registers as a taxpayer. Catholic “charities” on the other hand can and do claim all sorts of tax-deductible advantages. What problem then do you have with transparency?

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Thank you for that significantly appropriate comment @3:07.
But I reckon that those, ( like @1:33, & 1:32), whose ability to discuss an issue consists solely of ad hominem personalised splutters of indignation, will fail to even begin to understand the point you make.
As @ 10:47 above comments, “out of touch and looking into a fictional world” comes to mind as a possible explanation for their reactions. And there’s just no hope of a reasonable discussion with such characters.

It’s quite an interesting exercise reading expert analysis, both from ‘believers’ and agnostics or atheists, as to what significant factors influence individuals towards or away from clinging blindly to religious beliefs. Childhood imprinting; familial and community conformity; etc, etc, are all factors debated. And the origins of religious beliefs, in human intelligences early attempts to make sense of a seemingly inexplicable world, provides fascinating insights, as does the way self serving religious institutions like the RCC originates, develops and maintains its grasp of power and influence. The whole western monotheistic concept of humankinds’ “vicarious redemption” through the intercession of a “Supreme” man-god’s killing in a primitive middle Eastern country seems as ridiculous as other primitive religious explanations of the East.
But all that, of course, …….is it just too much for our standard cathbots to consider? Is their desperate need for belief, or the emotionally brainwashed fear of the alleged consequences of non belief just too much?
Interesting food for thought on this wet and windy Sunday.
MMM

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3:07, shows you how much you know. Higher-rate taxpayers get a personal tax break from charitable donations and inheritance tax burdens are eased by charitable donations in wills.

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Can we get back to basics? It appears to be the Abbot General’s phone call to Bishop Buckley and some email written by Abbot Coffey. Where is that email and will we be seeing it this side of Christmas?

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4.52: Your humour is crap Hourigan. Somehow you are not as pure as the driven snow….There is “something of the night about you” and it’s not monastic silence!☻☻☻☻☻☻👹😞😞👹👹👹😈😈😈😈

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2.28: Very succinct and so apt.. 👻👵👵👵👨‍🎓👩💖💖💖👍👍👍👍👍👢👢👢👢👜👜👜👡👢👢👠👠👢💄💄….Hoop La…Hooligan..😁😁😁😁

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2 28: Roberta, all is forgiven. Come back to my arms – nothing more! I await your amorous frolics again. This time we’ll keep it clean. You know….I am repentant and those contortions we engaged in are never to be again. What grief it brings to my tortured soul! Remember the rosy times when the monastery was your oyster…Ah, how our hearts melted in the hen house after devouring the pears you picked for me…What have I done to deserve your rejection? Tell me sweetie, tell me…😣😣😣😣….I shall keep you in my heart…Mio dolce, dolce amore!

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@1:47 pm
You are wholly incorrect. I have no fixation on sexual sin. As I have written previously on this blog, if Richard Purcell wants to leave monastic life and to spend as much time as he likes in the Boilerhouse and/or any other institution that will cater to his needs — then I have no problem with same. In that sense I am a true liberal.
My issue is with the hypocrisy of Richard Purcell. He freely entered monastic life; he freely made simple monastic profession committing himself to a life of celibate chastity; he voluntarily embraced solemn monastic profession, where he committed himself to this way of life until death. He agreed to ordination to the priesthood. Presumably, on his election as abbot, he made a profession of faith and agreed to uphold the teaching of the church within same. It is his breathless hypocrisy that I find unacceptable.
None of us are perfect, but the vast majority of us are not living a complete and total lie. Richard Purcell is free to seek a voluntary dispensation from his monastic vows and the obligations of the clerical state. He should do so, and return to living as a lay man back in Dublin and any other part of the country he chooses to reside. Then he is free to do what he likes with impunity. Richard Purcell will resign when he comes to the realisation he will be laicised; if he does not do so.
Abbot Brendan Coffey, of course, will not resign because I happen to disapprove of his actions. Again, he, too will resign when the evidence shows that he willingly and with foresight participated in the cover-up and the Department of Education begins an investigation. He will not do so voluntarily, but he will have no choice, because his actions are so serious it will call is involvement in Glenstal Abbey School into question.
Abbot Brendan has failed to learn that the cover-up is always worse than the crime, however, it is not my opinion that matters — it will be the opinion of officials within the Department of Education.
Like I keep writing, I have the evidence to prove everything I assert. The reason I keep posting on this blog is people keep coming forward and giving me more information. I am not interested in the uninformed invective directed towards me — the reason I keep posting is because people keep coming forward with more information.
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion; so we will agree to differ.

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Can we return to the white stockinged closeted OP’’s whose public position is that homosexual orientation is intrinsically disordered?

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7.40: Hourigan. Would you go out and find a man or a woman for yourself. You are tedious, dangerous, sexually starved, fixated on sexual sin..and probably truly homophobic but your wee sexual sensitivities deter you from admitting to it…get a life. These long repeat comments are tiresome. And you probably believe that you are God’s proohetess!! Such is your delusion.

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7.40: Hoop La, you must be running through reams of paper wuth all the evidence you are collating. Hundreds seem to be appearing to you in dreams with evidence…Evidence of what? Have you considered writing to the President (Michael D) to ask if he observed nughtntime shenanigans in the park?? Mary McAleese would fill you in…Ah!! she’s your Canonist…Oh dear!! Mamny Mc will take you in…

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7.15: MMM …. Don’t become all apoplectic again. I needn’t tell you how I feel when i see MMM…and it ain’t good. Why the constant need to demonize all Catholics, your incessant hatred, intolerance and nasty bigotry? Why? I could list the very brutal legacy of atheistic regimes and express my observation that in the community where I live, the people who are kind, charitable and caring for their community are predominantly church going people: they live the gospel ideal. I rarely meet atheists! So, please spare us your repetituve bigotry and had to mindedness. I know you are an OAP but open your eyes a little more. Find more useful issues to excite your brain. Maybe watch The Simpsons! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😲😲😲😲😲..

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Yes, foodbanks and work with the homeless is overwhelmingly done by believers. What is the athiest equivalent to the SVP, for example?

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Thank you @8:45 for a very pertinent observation.
Charitable activity or contributions I make are my own business and not for any “reward”, in this life, or some imaginary “afterlife. ”
And if I may, at this point, clarify a few facts pertinent to those referring to atheism.
As a humanist I simply question the alleged existence of the monotheistic Christian God, or any gods and supernatural entities. By questioning I mean “show me some convincing evidence”. And as no convincing evidence is ever produced, my corollary has to be, “How is it possible to believe that your church, its clergy and faith, has any truth based validity as representative of a personal God and His mouthpiece ?”
So I do not set out to, and can not “prove” the non existence of God, just as I can not prove that flying pigs inhabit Mars. But I ask questions that require answers rather than blind acceptance of “received truths” masquerading as “faith.”
And all those expressing indignation really don’t like that, do they?
MMM

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@8:22: I have to smile when I see another comment like yours, ending in those so expressive emojis: a sure sign of an an inability to articulate any coherent argument.
Thank you for brightening an otherwise dull day.
MMM

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