Former Irish President Mary McAleese, pictured here with Joe Duffy.
Former president of Ireland, Professor Mary McAleese has strongly criticised the Church for its “minimalist” approach to child protection and blamed the Vatican’s Curia for the culture of resistance to the changes that are needed.
In the Tablet’s online webinar on Thursday evening with the BBC political commentator Edward Stourton, Dr McAleese revealed that the former head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, Cardinal William Levada, had blamed abused children for seducing priests.
The comment was made to Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor across Dr McAleese, who was then president of Ireland, while the three attended a dinner at the British Ambassador, Francis Campbell’s residence in Rome, to mark the elevation of the Archbishop of Armagh, Sean Brady to the rank of cardinal in 2007.
Dr McAleese said: “The two of them talked across me as if I wasn’t there which I am pretty used to in the company of those kinds of high-level clerics.”
Speaking about clerical abuse, Cardinal Levada said: “Well you know of course what we can’t say, but what is true is, that many of these priests are seduced by these children.”
Dr McAleese said on hearing that comment she thought: “I am a criminal lawyer by training, and I am damned if I am going to listen to this rubbish. I said, ‘Excuse me gentlemen but I would like to make a number of points to you’.”
She tackled Levada’s description of clerical child sexual abuse as emanating from seduction of the priest by a child. “I am a criminal lawyer. We describe that child as a victim in criminal law systems. The priest you have just described, who is the abuser, we describe him as a criminal.
“Suddenly Cardinal Murphy O’Connor just put his hands over his face, he was very upset, and he said, ‘Mary you are right. I know that.’ Levada was absolutely furious with me.”
She added: “That is what goes on in their heads. That is what formation does to people in power. He was the head of the CDF at that time. Can you imagine the thought processes that were percolating down through the system from him – all about resistance.”
Cardinal Levada died in September 2019. He stood down as Prefect of the CDF in June 2012.
The former head of state also criticised Pope Francis as someone who had “absorbed all that formation and all that resistance” and cited his initial stance on clerical abuse and its coverup in Chile, before he was forced to back down.
“Has he really learnt a lesson; I don’t know. I don’t hear it. I hear complacency – we have done this, and we have done that, but I don’t see right down through the body politic the drawing in of the kind of expertise that would really open up the Church to fresh thinking. I see minimalism.
She suggested that within the Curia those behind the resistance to safeguarding reforms did “just enough to keep the posse off their backs but I don’t think that they have really committed fully to the issue”.
Paying tribute to Archbishop Diarmuid Martin’s safeguarding efforts in the archdiocese of Dublin, she said he had been “absolutely outstanding” and “miles ahead of any of his peers in any other country”.
“If I saw him involved in the Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors I might have some faith in it, but I don’t have a lot of faith in it as a body. The one Irish person on it, Marie Collins, left it in disgust because every time an idea went from the Commission to the Curia it was blocked.”
She warned that priestly formation was designed to promote obedience and a culture of silence to protect the Church and priesthood from scandal and not to grasp the pain of victims.
On the issue of women, the canon lawyer called for cardinals, archbishops and priests to undergo equal opportunities training.
Describing Pope Francis as “well-meaning” but “clueless” in his approach to women, she said: “He doesn’t understand what needs to be done in order to create full co-equal partnership within the Church for women. It is not a case of just patting them on the head and saying they are good girls and invoking the Virgin Mary.”
Of the Pope’s recent appointment of a female under-secretary and female economists to the Vatican’s finance committee Professor McAleese suggested that there needed to be root and branch reform similar to the process she over saw as Vice Chancellor of Queen’s University in Belfast to bring in more women and Catholics.
She also questioned the why so many of the female appointees in the Vatican belonged to organisations like “the ultra-orthodox cultic kinds of movements like Opus Dei, Neo catechumenate and Regnum Christi. That worries me that they would be overrepresented because they are not represented in those numbers among normative ordinary everyday bog-standard Catholics.”
“Do I think that the Church will change? I think the only way it can be made to change is if there comes a leader who has the foresight and the courage to really penetrate, to drill deeply down into this issue of misogyny in a planned and strategic way. Francis is not a planner; he is not a strategist – so he is not going to be the Pope who is going to do it.”
I am by no means a big fan of Mary McAleese but she is right about the Church and safeguarding.
The Catholic Church has had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the safeguarding mode.
The hierarchy have always have, and still have, two concerns:
1. Protecting the reputation of the Church – which is now in global tatters anyway.
2. Protecting their money and properties.
Many current safeguarding officers are really there to protect the bishop and church from hassle.
They have five figure sum salaries and a diocesan credit card.
He who pays the piper calls the tune.
If the bishop is giving you £ 100,000 a year you are going to “love” him and not his attackers and critics.
“No man can serve two masters”.
The Catholic Church should NEVER be trusted to employ it’s own safeguarding officers.
Safeguarding staff should be imposed upon them by the government or social services.
And the Church should pay the bill.
We will know when safeguarding is finally working when we see cover up bishops being removed from their palaces in handcuffs.
85 DAYS SINCE RICHARD PURCELL WAS REPORTED TO HIS ABBOT GENERAL FOR SEXUAL IMPROPRIETY.
They are all protecting him and covering for him.
He has all the dirt in the others.
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120 replies on “CHURCH HAS MINIMALIST APPROACH TO SAFEGUARDING – MARY MC ALEESE.”
How come the attention-seeker hasn’t revealed that sensational titbit before? Handily for her, CMOC and Cardinal Lavada are RIP so can’t contradict her tall tale. Has she a new book out or something?
You’re right that ould wagon forgets herself, before the revelations about her son she was not critical at all about The Church. Now she’s critical about everything she is indeed an attention-seeker.
Mary Darcy – McAleese 😃
Mary he’s gay, get over it.
Hard to believe that Levada said that, given that the CDF when Benedict was pope came down much harder on CSA than it did in the JPII and Francis pontificate.
Ever harder to believe is that, even if he believed it, he would say such a thing in front of mouthy Mary and the ambassador (who would have to report the dinner discussion back to London).
Mary has come out with much tamer “shock/horror” stuff in the past, so why save this for a mickey mouse Radio 4 programme? When Mary gets in front of a microphone she feels she has to say something big and dramatic, hence the hyperbole and invented conversations, eg the notorious JPII conversation that she never had.
She often spoke critcally about church attitude to gays beginning with her role as founding member of the Campaign for Homosexual Law Reform in 1975. And she has frequently spoken about child abuse in the church: https://avondhupress.ie/child-abuse-is-the-serpent-coiled-around-the-roots-of-christianity/ https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/mary-mcaleese-vatican-block-documents-irish-sex-abuse https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland/mary-mcaleese-hits-out-at-culture-of-silence-behind-child-sex-abuse-scandals-in-catholic-church-28876354.html
Keep it up Mary! You have riled the begrudgers.
Agreed. They hate her, these Romanists and Cathbots. And how!
She tells it like it is, but her detractors would rather certain truths about ‘Holy Mother Church’ remained as closeted as her pervert Romanist priests.
Keep ’em coming, Mary! 😄
She’s spot on.
Spot on Patsy she could almost be the bold Brian!
10 31: Yes, Mary is spot on – in inventing conversations and exaggerating content of some “chats” which seemed not to have taken place. She can now say what she likes.. and expect to be believed. While President she moved among the Church elite, kissing rings, wearing mantillas at the Vatican, attending parish fetes, dining with clergy, praising eloquently the work of priests, religious, missionaries and the Church itself for all their immensely good social programmes…Her son didn’t just become gay after her terms as President!!!He was always gay, Mary and Martin……This woman, smart and intelligent used the Catholic constituency to further her career, particularly the Pro Life Movement. She betrayed every commitment she made as president…She engaged on new journeys….the unborn didn’t feature but her son’s travails, hurts and sensitivities were paramount for her. I find this woman I once admired, to be iverly passive aggressive, insincere and tiresome. If she volunteered to helping her parish community in some capacity, she mught attract greater respect…
It’s quite shocking to see Levada’s comments that child deduce priests, religious et al. Where does he get that idea from especially coming from a very top position.? Mind boggles. In other words, he’s transferring all their blame to innocent kids who deduced the priests. Kids are defenceless when it comes to all sort of abuses. Where does Levada learn this or was it part of his training? Its quite shocking to see that kind of mindset operated at the highest levels in the Vatican.
One way of changing their mindset is to stop giving them money or donations to them. Perhaps this blog could educate especially old ladies to stop giving or part their money to the Vatican especially their wills or property.
Strip them of their charity statues re any misuse or moving their assets away. They should be treated as normal or ordinary business.
Abbot general and Bishops who refused to respond to this Hourigan chap. They such as bishops or abbott general are complicit in supporting corruption and double standards by means of inaction and their total silence as means of tacit support . In this way they are supporting RP and other priests whose double lives named in this blog that isn’t compatible with their vows.
Future is in evangelical people, not rcc, who believe in jesus christ.
There are lots of men who talk about having a crush on a teacher in high school and attempting to seduce them. The present President of France may be one of them. But the adult in such cases is supposed to have braking power and remember he or she is in loco parentis, and this is the only aspect the Law is supposed to consider.
Thanks be to God and his blessed mother. I was beginning to think something had happened to poor auld Mary. We haven’t her Whinging for quite a while. Glad to see her back moaning and cribbin
100% wrong safeguarding is not about protecting the Bishops or the Church assets it is about protecting the victim and that is a fact
The Church may pay the salaries but the safeguarding teams are independent and have a soul as well so your statement is not true and certainly no credit cards as some dioceses don’t have cards.
Mary for a First has said one thing correct and likely brokenhearted for saying it Archbishop Duirmiud Martin will leave a good legacy at Dublin the worry is who takes over.
I was shocked to read on General School a Monk is in charge of safeguarding should never be allowed.
Dublin two Auxillary Bishops maybe one from Diocese and other from Religious Order.
Is English your first language?
Sure is 🙂 🙂
Sorry if you are learning Disabled I have the talk facility for you however + Pat’s does not allow it.
You certainly stalk me and I am delighted it gives you a thrill
St. Jude Pray for You
How fascinating to learn that CMOCdown was ever upset! I wonder how upset he is now!
Levada had an interesting encounter with a ditch in Hawaii when Vatican ex-no 2, as if he didn’t want to get someone to drive him.
The talk in a “movement” could include dropping of eminent names whether known widely or not, mention of property unusually acquired, avowed ambition to gain influence. Safeguarding has been hived off to one-or two perso mini quangoes, branches of a national quango, staffed by persons, though “pillars of the parish” such as Knights, not really having loyalty to the church as such. Then the task has been reduced to background checks of persons in contact with under 16s, while the concept of pastoring (by anybody) has also shrunk in parallel. It’s noticeable bishops, VDs and seminarians don’t get any protection from elements getting at them, and that there aren’t points of contact when the average non-textbook problem occurs.
Was boiling over Levada blame on a child who deduced priests which was totally irresponsible of him. Its like passing the buck to others thus absolving him of the blame.
Now here is an article on Levada life including DUI in Hawaii. One thing was clear is that vatican officials not to be trusted re their remarks on abuses.
Agreed with Mc Aleese that vatican shouldn’t be a state as per international law. Cos they are abusing human right laws left right and center. State has to abide with these international laws.
Pat how do you expect people to take you and your blog seriously when you keep flip flopping in your attitude over old bitter hag McAleese? Can you not try to be more consistent?
Mc aleese is like hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. She has one son gay and another son married to kerry footballer daughter. Not only that, her deaf brother is gay as he came from. Deaf school founded by Bishop mc quaid well known for abuses but he was taken out of school. But that wasn’t reported to the authorities back then. No wonder she is hell hath no fury woman when it comes to rcc.
@10:04 You’re talking nonsense, she has one son.
8:12 Sexist crap and wildly misinformed.
Do you approach all relationships like this – that you’re either for or against someone? I pity anyone who knows you.
So you are a romanist priest correct? whose obedience is to your Bishop but not god? Did you protest to your Bishop re rcc abuses on children? I guess not. Nuff said !
Totally not correct deaf guy.
10:23, is that your default position? As soon as someone disagrees with you then they must be a ‘Romanist priest’. Talk about McAlleese having a chip on her shoulder! You must have a fu*king Hiace van on yours!
Deaf guy, are ya well? are ya? are ya well in the head?
10:09am, God has a capital G, but of course you are an atheist. Happy Holidays 🤡
Mary McAleese is almost spot on with those criticisms of the Romanist institution, because ‘minimalist’, actually, is too little a word for its conduct over child protection and dealing with pervert Romanist priests.
What institutiinal reform has occurred (and it is little and begrudging enough) has happened not through revolt of conscience, but by the public shaming of an institution that represents Christ no more than do the Freemasons. Come to think if it, the Freemasons have more integrity.
Now prepare for the backlash against McAleese by infuriated and clericalist Romanist clergy.
What’s rcc obsession with freemasonary cod it hadn’t been mentioned in 13 or 15th century?
Welcome back Magna as you are need for this blog… Sometimes incisive or enlighten our minds re ways of rcc.
Shortly before I read this post, I read the article in the Telegraph on 4th December by Charles Moore bemoaning the treatment of Ampleforth College and seeing it as part of some anti-Catholic conspiracy and the actions of “safeguarders” as over zealous.
Much of what he wrote was reactionary nonsense belonging to à thankfully long gone time.
What struck me was the part of the article where he speculated on the cause of the emergency inspection:
“No one quite knows what the emergency was. Ofsted won’t say. It may relate to new allegations (about a time long past) against a monk who was recently allowed to return to the monastery. However, the monk in question has never taught at the school, has no access to it and was cleared of allegations previously laid against him. There is no risk to children in the school, and anyway he has now left.”
One of the major concerns about Ampleforth and to a lesser extent other Benedictine monasteries/schools in the IICSA report was just this: that monks who were either convicted of child sexual abuse or about whom there was some considerable concern had potential access to young people in the school. This happened in the Ampleforth gift shop and it happened in the monastery kitchens at Ealing.
The monk mentioned by Charles Moore in his extraordinary article may be innocent and a desire to return to his community may be understandable. But given all that has emerged, has the institution been entirely unrealistic? Do we see yet again a repeat of the old patterns of behaviour, putting clerics and their wants and needs above those of the people they serve?
To my mind, the need to rebuild a reputation for good judgement and frankly trust would suggest that allowing the return of a community member about whom there is any suspicion (& a look at the back of the IICSA report listing those under suspicion but not convicted is sobering) might well be exceedingly unwise and damage any steps to re-establish trust.
And if one unwise (even if it is low stakes) judgement is made, who is to say that more significant unwise judgements might be made? In such a situation, maybe Gavin Williamson is entirely right in his actions?
Linking this back to the theme of today, it is becoming increasingly clear from all sorts of countries that, in spite of so frequently expressed good intentions, the RCC does not seem to have the ability to make the leap in thinking to accept what our society now demands in respect to the care and safeguarding of young people and vulnerable adults. Too often old ways of thinking and acting re-emerge, suggesting that any declarations of moving forward, however sincerely meant, are not sufficiently secure for society entirely to trust the institution. In this circumstance, it seems to me that much greater state regulation is needed in both the RCC and other religious institutions, both Christian and otherwise.
10.27: Mother McAleese does not bring many people with her into her new dawn. She’s had to correct this narrative before. She has worthwhile questions to ask and is well capable of engaging in needed debate. Sadly, her aggressive rhetoric against masculine theology and Church patriarchy will not win many friends. She is too strident, too dismissive, almost hateful towards Pope Francis. If she is referring to him she should do so with respect not with disdain. Mother Mary hasn’t been to local parishes where her eyes might be open to living, vibrant communities where women have meaningful roles and make important contributions to the faith life and cohesion of our parishes. Many are spiritual leaders.- in prayer groups, liturgy and art groups, Parish Councils…etc..I will always ensure the women of our parish who are gifted are involved as meaningfully as possible. Mother Mary’s agenda is coloured by her son’s life….and It’s a shame she is now becoming a screeching, cracked record.
Not all parishes are as good as Mullagh and Cross Paul!
Yesterday, Archbishop Longley had to stand in front of his congregation and apologise for the criminal behaviour of one of his priests, Joseph Quigley. He seems to have to do this with monotonous regularity, as do most bishops in their own diocese. These are only the cases that we know about, which hit the courts and the headlines, but every bishop will be dealing with dysfunctional shit from his clergy day in and day out. That’s not to say that there isn’t good stuff done by priests. However, the good stuff does not cancel out the bad stuff that seems to come out of the clerical ranks, and some of that is of the worst and most criminal kind.
Mary McAleese talks about bishops only doing enough to keep the problem off their backs; she talks of the excuses they make for the behaviour of their priests, like it was the child who was to blame by seducing the priest; she talks of Francis as well meaning but clueless in his understanding and appreciation of 50 per cent of the world’s population; she talks about Francis as not being strategic or a longterm thinker. However, I ask myself the question – are these bishops and the Pope really so thick and clueless ? Surely, by this stage, they must have come to understand that clerical dysfunction and criminal behaviour is not just a sideline issue but one that is systemic in its genesis and is increasingly becoming existential in the damage it does to the credibility and integrity of the Church, never mind what negative impact it has on the clerical corps itself ?
If I were a bishop, or indeed the Pope, I would by this stage be asking myself, given that so much dysfunctional behaviour emanates from the ranks of clerics, what is it about this culture that lends itself to such a malaise and worse ? However, I don’t hear them asking that question. I hear them defending the priesthood and working from a position of immutability, of there being nothing systemically wrong. It must be other things that are wrong, they seem to think. Like the children, who are abused !
In my professional life I worked for decades for an organisation that was at the heart of the country’s establishment, part and parcel of what my country is. What I noticed in that organisation was the ruthlessness with which its leaders identified and dealt with issues that were getting in the way of that institution fulfilling its core mission. Nothing was allowed to be a sacred cow, not the example and teaching of the founders, not the long held traditions, not the past people and role models, not the current employees. If something was wrong and it was causing a problem, they worked tirelessly to find out what it was, what was causing it and then dealing with it so that it did not happen again. Yes, there were bodies strewn about in the process of change, and people had to flexible and adaptable and agile. But, change there was and the problem was sorted.
Exactly right, 09:42. In any secular businesses organisation I’ve been in, any problems are dealt with firmly, even if it means sacking people, calling in the cops, closing well-established parts of the business. The line to errant employees who are sacked is that it isn’t personal but the business comes first.
If the Catholic Church’s business is preaching the Gospel and bringing Christ to others, that will mean at times being firm and just with wrongdoing priests, lest the whole mission be lost. In the interests of being nice and pastoral to CSA priests and avoiding scandal, the Church in Ireland has lost the goodwill and trust of the population and seriously impeded the Church’s mission, probably for generations.
I heard in Brum today that a Birmingham Priest has stepped down from ministry at the weekend.
I think who you refer to is unwell
For personal reasons I believe. No mention of ill health.
I do wonder why our bishops and Pope don’t seem to adopt a similar approach, in particular to the obvious elephant in the room – clericalism, priesthood, the clerical culture ? There is a real problem there. All I hear, however, is that because this has such a long tradition, stems from the very early years of the Church, because it’s our tradition, because it is woven in to the very structure of the pyramidal and hierarchical establishment of the Church – well, there is nothing we can change. I would ask them to think again. There are things that can change. That need to change. If they do not change, then they will lose the war, and the Church will be irreparably damaged, even to its core and its existence.
Let me give you just one suggestion. Seminaries and training. I note that young priests that I meet have a highly exalted notion of whom they are and what they are. They really do think of themselves as special, as having something that sets them apart. I don’t blame them. I blame the culture in which they have been brought up and trained over the years of their
time in seminary. It gives them a sense of entitlement, of being exceptional, of not being accountable, of instant wisdom, of ‘Father knows best”. They do not expect to be challenged, and cannot deal with challenge. Throw in a whole list of other odd aspects to their training and life in seminaries – isolated for large parts of the year, single, all male, celibate, poor teaching – it becomes a very toxic and dysfunctional mix. I can’t think of any other organisation that trains its candidates with such carelessness and with such a disregard for the needs of their ministry and life.
It is out of this mix that the crimes of clergy like Quigley emerge, as well as other reasons that I don’t have time or space to write about here. It is not just because there are a few bad apples and that everything else is right. If I was Longley, Nichols, Francis, and the rest, I would be asking myself these questions and I wouldn’t hang about addressing them. Time is short.
9.43 There is No one in the Church that does not recognise there are problems and Pope Francis tries to move things forward.
If it was only an Irish issue it could be fixed in no but however much to your surprise the Catholic Church is World Wide so it is a massive change agenda.
If you keep up to date then the Bishops have announced Seminarians will get more parish based courses rather than stuck in colleges.
Women are getting more involved and Parish Councils as we have the Lay faith doing roles that clergy were having to do but it is very hard for Bishops to get older clergy 45 plus to move with the times.
Clergy are not Ordained for parish building repairs and accounts they are Ordained for the Sacraments.
And as you mentioned your organisation well the staff within it will be protected by Unions or works Councils then Clergy are protected by Canon Law.
Mary McAleese swings like the weather and sadly Bishop Pat has done the same towards her but we in the Catholic Church will strive forward and try and live the Gospel.
Remember the open day on this blog the works of Corporal Mercy some should read them and practise them.
To the “queen” that picks up on my grammar well strangely enough I have a BA in business Management and HR but it is nice to belittle people my answer to that is i say the prayer of Saint Francis for her and put a candle on for them.
Whatever you do to the least of my brothers you do to me.
As Pope Francis said we will continue to build the Church for the poor sadly there will be no lace and silk in it.
It would suit Raymond Burke instead of challenging Pope Francis to go out and serve the poor and needy and no other better time than during this coronavirus no he will be to busy trying his tights on to see to his neighbour.
@ 10:27 Perhaps I’m the ‘queen’ who picks up on your grammar (well done, you didn’t spell it grammer !), but it seems to have worked because I’ll give you 6/10 for your current contribution. As to the substance of what you say, it seems like you belong to the ‘all is well with the world and the Church’ brigade and so nothing needs to happen, except a little tinkering with the edges. I’m talking about a more fundamental and systemic review and rethink of things, particularly priesthood. Okay ? Keep up with writing practice (or should that be practise ? – do tell !)
LOL the only BA you’ve got is for having a Brass Neck.
@ 11:13 – oh, Dear, I have much more than a BA – and by the way the BA I have is Honours. But I went well beyond that as well. Brass neck ? No, just fed up of people posting on here who can’t write basic English and express themselves in some decent form.
We saw the failure of the church to get it in Nursey’s far too gentle comment yesterday. You cannot be pastorally concerned both for an abuser and their victim.
In England the law is very clear that the child’s interests always come first – perhaps Nursey needs to refresh his training.
Institutions other than the church (such as healthcare) will employ people as child protection but they are for training and advice. When it comes down to it decisions are made by social care or the police.
At this stage of the proceedings Longley should be primarily focused on the wellbeing of the victims, and should not be saying anything about the abuser, except condemnation of his actions. I’m afraid by trying to touch all bases and to be all things to all people he has made a faux pas. At this stage we are not interested in Quigley except to know that he has been judged and is in prison, and to condemn what terrible things he did. If he warrants any interest or compassion, there will be a time for that later. In the meantime, he is nothing, and should be excluded from any concern or compassion, at least publicly, and certainly not by the Archbishop in a public statement. Going all caring and soft on the abuser just looks like a diminishing of his guilt and responsibility. I do worry that behind the scenes in Birmingham there is some sort of sympathy for Quigley, a well know and established figure of that diocese, and bishops and priests and laity that knew him will have a tendency to minimise and rationalise what he has done. Longley’s words about him in any other way other than outright condemnation just give credence to that.
If your fed up with people posting here without basic English, stop posting because you don’t have basic English. Can I suggest you join a literacy class who might be of some help to you. Honours! Ha! Ha! you’re a caution.
…and your point is ? Because @1:08 doesn’t make sense…..
…”If you’re fed up…..please, it’s a possessive. And maybe you are suggesting the ‘honours’ is wrong ? Well, in English English honours has a ‘u’ in it, only in US English is the u omitted, as in ‘honors’. Perhaps you are Ameerican ? That would account for it. But, I think not. I think you are just pig shit thick.
The Pope could do worse than APPOINT Mary McAleese as Archbishop of Dublin. Remember that he gave Marie Collins the post Diarmuid Martin thought he was getting on the committee (Ms Collins later resigned).
Mary would regard as a calculated insult her being made Archbishop of Dublin. She’d consider being Pope, though.
Oops my mistake. You correct re one son. 😁
The announcement must be due soon since the alb wearing Secretary has departed Archbishop’s house. So Diarmuid might take longer than usual getting back to you Pat seeing as he has no secretary.
DM uses his Italian mobile phone to receive and reply to emails.
Did Diarmuid “alfa romeo” Martin reply to your recent email Pat?
Pat, do you think we should contact Crime Call on RTE 1 to reenact the last movements of some priests? There are parishes up and down the country gobsmacked when ‘fr’ moves and is never heard tell of again. It could be done diocese by diocese and would keep RTE going for a whole series.
11.40: Stay in your pissy day job…you do not have a capacity for humour!! Crappy.
11.40: What a stupid mind you have. What a silly, imbicilic, unintelligent comment!! Go back to school, you empty headed plonker.
That high-ranking cleric who suggested it is the child victims who are responsible for seducing clerics should not remain in any kind of position of authority. Full stop.
My cousin’s, growing up, were always told that if a stranger or any adult ever tried to do anything inappropriate that they should shout at the top of their lungs! Punch or kick them where it hurts and run away screaming!
If this is the attitude from those at the “top” then IICSA must step-in and take control.
Just read some of the paragraphs from the recently released IICSA report – it really does beg belief.
One safeguarding Co-ordinator visited one of our primary schools, in Merseyside, to conduct a “risk assessment” because a convicted paedophile had been defrocked and placed in a Diocesan ownd house, not too far from the side of the school…
She told the headmistress she was putting a chain and padlock on the gate to the side of the school premises and made the mums and dads drop off and pick up on the other side of the school! Could these be the actions of a delusional person?
—-now, I am a pragmatic person myself; however…
Pragmatism starts with a conscious bias toward an intended result and takes action to achieve it — whereas scientific method is intended to remove conscious bias and take absolutely no action to achieve an “intended” result.
Smoke and mirrors…?
We have only Moanin’ Mary’s word for it that Lavada said any such thing.
Deaf guy getting on my tits today.
Then cover them up.
Dream on 😜😜😜🙄.
Chip on the shoulder yes but she hit the nail on the head. Romanist Church very complacent and unable to self regulate themselves when it comes to abuses.
I would be pragmatic not to baptise until they grow up and free to choose what religion they want to instead of imposing on their obligations as regards to baptism. Baptism wasnt in the scriptures except for immersion in the water by John the Baptist.
Did they not teach you anything in Cabra?
The closing words of the Gospel according to Matthew:
“Go make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them all I have commanded you. And, hey, I am with you always until the end of the ages.” (28:19-20)
Yes re Cabra. Nope as religious education was practically non existent just few bits here and there, not much really. Can you imagine that I was confirmed without any religious education or training prep for confirmation. Its practically non existent as we hadn’t the foggiest idea. Learned our father and hail Mary at the age of 12 that about it.
In regards to infant baptism, I was saying there is no scripture for infant baptism except for immersion baptism before 28:19-20(that’s first indication of any kind of baptism but not infant baptism).
You may be wondering why I brought up infant baptism as it was because I saw an article re conscription by baptism. It was Mc aleese who brought it up. So I searched for origins for infant baptism in the bible but none except for immersion by baptism for adults.
Deaf Guy at 8:12am
Mary Mc Aleese has only one son – Justin, and she has two daughters. Your information is totally inaccurate
Look at my post at 11.27am 😬😬😬😬😏😏😏😏😏.
You didn’t check that one before you posted it.
I would suggest that you arrange an appointment with specsavsrs. Don’t get offended 👆just joking, 😏😏😏
Surely it is evident to everyone by now that the primary business of the RC church is not preaching the gospel!
Look closely at what it values most and its primary business will be blindingly obvious!
Here I am sitting on the comfy chair up here on the north coast enjoying the musings of oul Mary. Good craic! As for the primary concerns of the RCC well I rumbled those a long time ago. Money and assets. The number of priests I know who ‘courted’ wealthy families and individuals is beyond counting. ‘Don’t forget the church in your Will. It will speed your passage’ lol
The protection of these assets and its reputation is paramount to the church. And anything or anybody who gets in the was has to be silenced.
What has always amazed me is the number of folks, many well educated, who fall for all the pious shit and hand over their hard earned cash to one of the worlds richest corporations. Vatican plc.
Anyway time for a wee post lunch snifter.
You enjoy love 🍷
You got it exactly right re money. I kept telling relatives, family and friends – don’t give any money to the Vatican or any high ranking priest from monsignor upwards. I knew few old ladies single Nd spinster who drew up a will handing it out to parish priest or monsignor some or all of her assets.
Heard one story here on this blog when one priest who got very wealthy from inheritance as Bishop got a wind of that. Years later Bishop of tuam asked that priest to hand out his inheritance money in return for a bishopric job. But he refused and sent away to a remote parish as means of punishment. But it kept him quite independent from the Bishop. It just illustrated such a mindset of a greedy Bishop as Bishop of tuam. I would probably guess there are some greedy bishops out there around the world whose presence of mind is in the money instead of God.
Perhaps an article here on this blog would enlighten and educate old ladies re perils of handing out their monies to the Vatican such as wills or property.
10.23: Deaf guy…..get a grip…Stop being such a prig…try to “hear” and “read” properly…. Try.
LOL as I was trying to wind him up😜.
Not every post was written by a romanist priest. Don’t you get it?😏
Can’t wait for the updates news on my Melleray, silverstream and Glenstal.
No point re hear, are you that dense??? Perhaps a refresher course on deaf culture and sign language would do you good and open your awareness as its free if you want one.
Seen mother Burke in all its finery of lace a Magna capos with very long tails in a church I bumped into for a quickie prayer. It made me puke when I saw it and reeks of something I can’t describe. But Frederick Martel who wrote a book describes it well which I hadn’t thought of in the 1st place.
Read somewhere that rcc would be gone in 100 or 200 years time.
Any chances of getting that right re rcc gone?
Nephews and nieces left rcc long ago as they invited me to a hotel re their wedding and celebration of new born baby instead of church weddings or church baptisms. They only go to church especially funeral or Christmas Mass & that’s it.
Jesus Mary and holy Saint Joseph will ya not go away. Who the feck cares.
If they left The Church long ago, they should stay away we don’t want them at a funeral or at Christmas let them go where they belong an hotel & that’s it.
You’ll be gone in a much shorter time than that honey, just like me and every other poor bastard. So be sure to say your prayers.
1:39, you’re not a well man, you genuinely need help, in the form of counselling. I wish you well
1.39: All your relatives are hypocrites. Deaf Guy, you should tell them to their faces…If they’ve chosen hay sheds for their civil unions and name calling ceremonies, then they should party there at Christmas and be buried out of such….hypocrites.
At least this year, thanks to covid we won’t have the grotesque spectacle of assorted anti-Catholics and pro-abortionists and students who never go to Mass scrambling madly for tickets for the carol services in the museum formerly known as Maynooth college chapel.
You are excluding the power of God’s Word and Holy Spirit to touch the minds and hearts of those you consider unworthy in the words of the carols and readings and in the beauty of the music, musicians, singers, stewards and congregants.
At 8:10pm – God’s Holy Spirit was most powerfully at work last year when Fanny described Jesus as a racist.
The number of conversions at that Carol service was unprecedented. Fanny is so woke it’s unreal.
She’s bullin’ by the way that she gets little mention on Pat’s blog these days on account of the dorty monks. She loves the attention although she would never admit it.
There will undoubtedly be an online Carol concert and she is busy considering how to best follow last year’s stellar homiletical performance.
She might wear her “Together for Yes” stole and preach on the true freedom and dignity afforded to women by the 8th being Repealed.
She’s strongly considering it and Pauline Pryer is collaborating with her on the script. New ground may be broken. Up Our Fanny.
I was present at last year’s service.
The preacher was as eloquent as he usually is.
It can help to provoke – to disturb the comfortable.
And it was a great success. After all, here you are, speaking about the address almost a year afterwards. How often can you remember a homily or a sermon twelve months down the road?
Pat, could you do a series of blogs doing further study and where they are doing it and if they’re on sabbatical where are they are spending it, but more importantly could you focus on the ones missing in action. You could focus on dioceses that do not have a searchable list of Clergy.
Pat, could you do a series of blogs of priests doing further study and where they are doing it and if they’re on sabbatical where are they are spending it, but more importantly could you focus on the ones missing in action. You could focus on dioceses that do not have a searchable list of Clergy.
Click on Diocese of Meath and you’re immediately met with option to click to donate funds to diocese or parish and it seems to be suggesting €50 but you can reduce it to other multiples. Unlike other dioceses you’re not met with a prayer or a list of clergy but Presented with a new option to donate money.
Yes. Even when you click under vocations news the Donate stuff still stays on the screen at the top. The vocations news also includes outdated updates from Silverstream within the diocese
I suspect some time soon the Meath diocesan bank account will be flush with the proceeds of the sale of the newly suppressed Silverstream Priory. D€€nihan win$!
There was a time when the Meath contingent in Maynooth was composed mostly of big farmers’ sons. That guaranteed them a solid place in society.
I am not at all pleased that I am the subject of your blog today. I am disgusted that you can’t even spell my surname correctly: It’s McAleese not NCALEESE…I am very annoyed too that you use a ragged photo of me without permission. There are other more enhancing photos you could have used. I am outraged, considering gave 14 years as President. I demand an apology…..
3:21, AH FECK OFF!
Don’t worry, Mary, if the contributors dislike you they dislike each other even more.
3.21: Stuff it Mary like the way you’ll stuff your Christmas turkey……when you came to s Parish I worked in once you are and drank with the clergy!! You couldn’t stop praising us every breath you took….Huw you’ve tyrned… and nit a squeal out of you then about your wee little son!! You cutely played the Catholic card….now you are aggressive in your criticisms and prone to embellishments in behind the scenes stories!!!
Mary has put on a few pounds although it seems to suit her
Napper Tandy: And what of The Spanish Lady?
Did Archbishop Diarmuid Martin pull the wool over your eyes? He knows he on his way out so he is ignoring you now. He gave you Derwin, Gorgeous and Gannon so that he could save himself from your prying eyes. The truth of what he did is revolting but it will set him free
JC McQuaid his Grace Archbishop Diarmuid Martin is certainly not on his way out.
Next year he will become Archbishop Emeritus of Dublin.
He is extremely busy for a 75 year old man with no Auxiliary Bishops so he has to be credited with also we are still in a pandemic again this is tiresome for him.
Remember Civil Servants go at 65 or earlier with fantastic packages and pension working hard at their desks.
In fact the Archbishop saved the Archdiocese for having Priests that would end up MIA or Sabbatical and living a double life.
Most people on this blog have No time for Holy Mother church and will it be around in 100 years or more of course it is growing everyday apart from EU countries but you never know Lockdown could do two things bring thousands back to the faith or sadly leave well 2021 will tell.
Busy? He’s left the diocese in a worst state. Priest moral on floor. He’s not leading. His clerical inner circle not working together for mission. He’s got rid of a lot of staff and never sent his good wishes. He doesn’t care what we are struggling with in our parishes. Hopefully he can be retired this year. We need a new leader in Dublin to clear up the mess!
You’ve been told Pat 💅😅
6.14 It is too late for a replacement this year it is hope that it will be announced maybe tomorrow if not before Christmas.
It will be February or march before the New Archbishop is in post they are definitely hoping before Easter.
Some are saying Bishop Tighe has turned it down as he wants to stay in Rome but no one will confirm this however it certainly has been delayed.
Martin (alias Jim), you’re the Irish gay guy in Scotland, who’s getting enough sex etc….who appears here under many noms de plumes, and who nearly always advises people to write to nuncios, cardinals, archbishops, bishops etc. keeping An Post and Royal Mail in business.
First of all, learn to write English. Then, stick to the day job as you haven’t a clue about bishops’ appointments or any such like.
Your accent gives you away. Maybe you should call yourself Peter.
Will be announced tomorrow
Not many comments, if any, on the other Mary, Miss Purcell.
You dirty cow 🐄
9.31 Not a bit of Irish Blood in Me so Dream On.
And been Celibate for over 30 years so sex does not interest me 🙂 🙂
And my name is Martin
Bella Father Wall and Father Wingerden says you can give them a call time
Mother Teresa your friends at P.S. and the Department say you can give them a call.
Wrong Guy or Girl name is Martin.
And certainly no like for Mother Teresa
I do Call Handling at P.S Govan Control on a Par Time bases for past 10 months
That’s good they’ll have no trouble finding you, there is no way your disclosure would pass P.S. scrutiny but the Dept. will be very interested in your part time job.
7.22 am My PVC Check passed with NO problem at all and I have No contact from that filthy Department Thank God and Saint Jude
Trust in god and follow His ways.
Bella that is a false accusation you have made against me.
like the others on here you are good at that.
So retract it now or you will hear from Beltrami and Co Murray Macra QC
Go ahead Teresa see you in court. ya mad cow. You started it but I’ll finish it.