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WHICH IS WORSE BLASPHEMY – CALLING GOD A RAPIST ON A COMEDY SHOW OR A PRIEST AND SEMINARIAN HAVING GAY SEX ON A CHURCH ALTAR?

AMY MARTIN is all up tight and having hot flushes because God was called a rapist on an RTE comedy show.

****BUT AMY HAD NOTHING TO SAY WHEN A PRIEST AND SEMINARIAN HAD GAY SEX ON AN IRISH CHURCH ALTAR??

I would regard the gay altar sex as far more blasphemous towards God – and Amy & Co could have sacked the men involved – but stayed silent and did nothing!!!

FROM RTE

RTÉ apologises after complaints over NYE sketch.

RTE apologised to those who were offended by the segment

RTÉ has apologised after a number of people complained over a Waterford Whispers sketch segment in the New Year’s Eve countdown programme, which was broadcast on RTÉ One television.

In a statement, the broadcaster acknowledged that some viewers were offended by the sketch and said that around 600 complaints have been received so far.

It said: “RTÉ recognises that matters which can cause offence naturally differ from person to person, within comedy and satire in particular.  

“Having reviewed the feedback and complaints received up to this point, RTÉ wishes to apologise to those who were offended by the segment.

“The formal complaints received by RTÉ are being entered into our complaints system and will be responded to in accordance with the relevant statutory process.”

In the ‘Waterford Whispers’ news report, presented by former RTÉ News presenter Aengus MacGrianna, God is described as being “the latest figure to be implicated in ongoing sexual harassment scandals”.

The clip ended with a line that movie producer Harvey Weinstein, who is serving a 23-year sentence in the US for rape and sexual assault, had “requested for a retrial in Ireland”. 

The Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of All Ireland called on RTÉ to remove what he described as the “deeply offensive and blasphemous clip”.

In a tweet, Archbishop Eamon Martin said he was “shocked” that the programme’s producer or editor “didn’t realise how deeply offensive was a mocking ‘news report’ accusing God of rape & reporting his imprisonment”.

He continued: “To broadcast such a deeply offensive and blasphemous clip about God & our Blessed Mother Mary during the Christmas season on ‘NYE Countdown Show’ on @RTE, @RTEOne & on Eve of the Solemn Feast of Mary, Mother of God is insulting to all Catholics and Christians”.


Dr Martin also added the Twitter handle of RTÉ Director General Dee Forbes.

FROM AMY

IN REPLY TO AMY

PAT SAYS

Is it not time that institutions like RTE told Any Martin to go and suck a zube?

Ireland, no longer is a Confessional Catholic State.

Amy & Co are going to have to get used to becoming increasingly irrelevant and contemptible in our new secular and plural state.

600 people out if 4 + million complained to RTE about this scene.

I didn’t see it and have no desire to see it.

As a Christian I don’t like God being insulted.

But God is a big guy. He can look after Himself.

And the likes of Amy do not represent God in my eyes.

AMY?

QUESTION?

WHY DID YOU NOT MAKE A STATEMENT WHEN A PP BONKED A SEMINARIAN ON THE ALTAR IN KILDORRERY CHURCH?

WAS THAT NOT A GREATER BLASPHEMY?

PUT YOUR OWN IN ORDER FIRST!


AMY MARTIN AND ROME

I am informed by an Armagh source that Amy Martin had a very serious missive from Rome concerning some of his priests and seminarians.

TOMORROW’S BLOG – UPDATE ON FATHER JOHN PAUL LYTTLE, PORTSMOUTH.

107 replies on “WHICH IS WORSE BLASPHEMY – CALLING GOD A RAPIST ON A COMEDY SHOW OR A PRIEST AND SEMINARIAN HAVING GAY SEX ON A CHURCH ALTAR?”

To RTE:
Archbishop Eamon Martin is not Dr Martin. The practice of referring to a Catholic bishop without a doctorate as Dr is an instance of clericalism.

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That’s true. They are medical doctors rather than doctors of medicine. This is not a quibble, but a significant academic distinction. The former may use ‘Doctor’ as a courtesy rather than as an academic right. This applies also to most dentists at least in the UK.

With Archbishop Martin it is different : the title ‘Doctor’ is used of him in acknowledgement of his supposed leadership role in the Church : ‘doctor’ in Latin means ‘teacher’.

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Indeed, 9.53, in Italy all school teachers, even in primary school are addressed as dottore.
Major fail by 10.40pm.

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9:53
That would apply to every teacher in the country.
The practice is reminiscent of the days when males with doctorates were appointed bishop.
A vestige of a clericalist age.

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My friend Pat, it is absolutely disgusting what happened on that altar. It should be taken down and burnt like the one in America. I cannot believe that the bishops of Ireland have not done this. What are they thinking? But like you, I also feel very uneasy indeed when God is insulted. The trouble is Pat, we have been betrayed by Christ betrayers. It is their fault that we are now made to be seen as a big bunch of eejits. Sorry for the lightheartedness. But, am I wrong?

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Fr Tommy have you every raised any concerns with a Diocesan Bishop or the Papal Nuncio as you like to blog on here.
As Bishop Pat has said Archbishop Eamon is concerned about Rome being involved in his Dioceses someone has leaked that out of Ara Coeli.
I have an interest in the Church as it pays my salary so maybe I am biased but the days of the lay faithful sitting back and the bishops doing nothing has gone under this Pontificate.
No one is frightened of bishops anymore and constantly contact the Papal Nuncio and Rome however the Irish Episcopate do not like it at all.
You maybe not get a reply but it is certainly noted and logged.

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Hello there, yes I have actually. Only the once. When our Bishop retired. I wanted the Nuncio to know the real picture around here before he considered who should replace him. I got a letter back thanking me 😊

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5.22
Jim S. alert.
Thought An Post and Royal Mail paid your salaries – including commission. If the diocese are paying your salary, there’s no clerical (writing) work involved.

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If it’s your understanding that the Archbishop of Armagh is receiving missives from Rome, then the bishop of Waterford must be receiving them about Mount Melleray.

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RTE apologises. Does this not encapsulate the nature of the ‘new’ Republic of Ireland statelet? Firmly under the heel of an institution, the Roman Catholic Church, and its paedophile/ephebophile priests and republicans? A statelet free under the Nazi jackboot of the so-called ‘European Union’?

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11:24, RTE did not apologise to the catholic church, they apologised to ALL christians and people of Faith. God is not exclusive to the Catholic Church. You’re one of those obsessed crack pots that add 1 and 1.

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11.41

Your post contains illogic. If RTE apologised to ‘ALL Christians and people of faith’, then, logically, among those to whom it apologised is the Catholic Church.

RTE received 600 complaints. Logically again, the vast majority of these almost certainly came from Catholics.

I am no crackpot, but you are a liar.

The Republic of Ireland is not as secular as some like to think. The institutional Roman Catholic Church still weilds considerable influence there, but perhaps less openly these days.

I for one am glad that I do not live in that statelet.

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May God have mercy on Lomasney’s soul.
I wonder if the person Michael Lomasney was with on that occasion ever prayed for Michael’s soul.
Death comes to us all, and it will come for him, too. God have mercy on him.
May God help everyone on this blog, especially Bella.

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You cannot know that. For Lomasney will have received God’s judgement which is always a perfect mix of justice and compassion. He also suffered from the illness of alcoholism.

I’m more worried about the seminarian.

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2:03pm

Of course you do Patsy, you would find an excuse for any behaviour, there was no excuse for that evil man’s behaviour he knew what he was doing and deserves what he gets.

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I agree that there was no excuse for his behaviour.

He deserves what God decided

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Their is No excuse for his behaviour however people in glass house should not throw stones remember and take the splint out your own eye first.
God is the Judge let No one judge anyone else.
Just Saying 🙂

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Just in from a night call yo a serioudly ill parishioner whose family requested Anointing of the Sick. Then i read the issue for blog today. I find it very strange that Pat would make such judgments about Archbishop Martin simply because he expressed his outrage at the offensive content which references God as a rapist. God is accused of landing on a young eastern woman and impregnating her – raping – and is considered the latest to be imprisoned for such a crime. Apart from the deliberate act of blasphemy and ignorant disrespect to a SACRED Christian belief, joking abiut RAPE IS NEVER A LAUGHING MATTER nor something to be treated with fun, humour or satire. Sadly, Pat uses the disapproval of this offensiveness by the Archbishop to launch his well worn invective against Archbishop Martin, for all the wrong reasons. I am disgusted with the Pat Says predictable diatribe and the myriad of extraneous, irrelevant issues he refers to in justify his condemnation of the goid Archbishop. For someone who has spoken about his abuse – which I too experienced as a teenager – it is morally repugnant that any person should treat the item of RAPE SO FLIPPANTLY AS PRESENTED by RTE as a laughing matter. Put in “child abuse” as the latest crime warranting God’s imprisonment instead of rape, and we know the tsunami of condemnation RTE would justifiably receive. To list a heap of other incidents alongside this issue, as Pat has done, is disingenuous and superfluous. This offensive piece of anti Christian attack by RTE has overstepped boundaries of decency and respect..THE RAPE OF A WOMAND OR MAN OR A CHILD ARE HEINOUS CRIMES WHICH DAMAGE PEOPLE FOR LIFE ARE NOT LIGHTHEARTED ISSUES TO BE JOKED ABOUT IN ANY CONTEXT.

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10:09am
No and you can’t know either, the fact that a priest and a seminarian could commit such a unforgivable sacreligious act is what should worry you. The fact he was an alcoholic is no excuse and as for the seminarian I hope he has been dealt with, he will have plenty to worry about when he stands at the Judgement Seat.

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12.13

You are poorly formed in your Catholic faith. There is no such thing as unforgiveable conduct before God, even the act of gay sex on a consecrated altar. This behaviour may be unpardonable in your eyes, but not in God’s, since he would gather ALL to him, including even his murderers/executioners on Calvary: ‘Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.’

However, sin against the Holy Spirit (that is, continued ignoring of his grace to repent) IS unforgiveable, and your posts here prove that you are wilfully ignoring these calls, since the nature of most your comments (wishing evil on people rather than mercy) is morally atrocious.

You have repeatedly been warned of this, and you have repeatedly ignored the warnings, even today, with your clear wishing certain individuals in Hell.

Time is running out for you, and when it eventually does so, the one thing you will not be able to protest before God is that you did not know.

You have been told/warned here many times (and probably elsewhere, too, so obnoxious are your thoughts), and you are being warned yet again today. Have a care: there is no reprieve from wilful refusal to repent.

Unless you are a troll, you are condemning yourself before your own, and our, very eyes.

Heed, through me, the prompting of the Holy Spirit. And do it today.

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I agree with you Pat, but, in fairness, RTE wouldn’t have published such a sketch about Mohammed. Amy is a big girl, afraid of her clergy, afraid to take the bull by the horns for fear of what might emerge, not like the new AB of Dublin, if the article in yesterdays Irish Times is to be believed, “Get up off yer arses lads you can make up the pay cut by performing for your parishoners”. It will be interesting to see how he gets on, his position is some contrast to the way Roaree was and is treated by Amy. The lad on the altar should go to the gym and either deadlift or squat, it will improve his posterior no end. God bless Big Mick, he would have needed the whisky to ride that flabby arse.

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7.58

I think the butt in the photo belonged to Lomasney, did it not? Wasn’t the seminarian ON the altar rather than alongside it?

On a point of credibility, if that butt is Lomasney’s, how was he able to perform with his ‘partner’ on the altar. Lomasney was not just a short guy; he was very short. I remember him from my time at Maynooth. Altars are fairly tall. How could Lomasney, then, have reached his intended? Was he standing on something?

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7,58
RTE wouldn’t have published a similar sketch about Muhammad because its target audience was overwhelmingly Catholic, not Muslim.

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7:58am
You are right, RTE would never have allowed a sketch like this about mohamed it would have caused protests and outrage from the muslums. However they feel they can get away with any insults to Christianity we can only hope those responsible get what they deserve soon.

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10.20

Have a care: you appear to be advocating retaliatory violence. That is a crime, and an affront to God.

You are not a Christian ; you are a liar, just like many priests who merely pose as God’s ministers.

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2:19pm
We have heard all this crap from you before, I don’t know what faith you espouse its certainly not the Catholic faith. There is punishment for sin, it not all love and mercy there is also justice. It’s only lovey dovey ejits like you giving out the false message that no matter what you do it will be all trala trala. Wrong there are consequences for sin and in true charity people have to be told. So heed the prompting of The Holy Ghost and stop leading people to perdition with your false message of mercy for all.

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I agree there is punishment for sin and justice.

But I just God Himself to dole it out as he sees fit.

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4.15
You hear my voice, but you still are not listening.
Punishment for sin does not mean that I impose suffering on individual sinners. Would you punish a toddler for being a toddler? Then why would I punish a sinner for being a sinner?
By nature, you all cannot avoid sin, no matter how hard you try to do so. And trying to go against your nature by going it alone, without me, is ALWAYS an expression of spiritual pride, a further and grave sin.
You, as human beings, are LOCKED in a sinful state. How could I punish you for that which is neither your fault nor fundamentally your culpability?
Instead, I have shown mercy, not sanction, against the human race by sending you my beloved Son that he might do by his nature what you could not do by yours: always say ‘no’ to sinful temptation, despite the enormous pressure of weakened human flesh to do so. Only God in his perfection had this strength; you humans do not. And I do not punish the blamelss for inheriting, through their bloodline, the oppressive weaknesses of their ancestors, and for receiving those that arise through the individuality of their personhood.
In my Son’s spirit , you all will find the strength and guidance to overcome, in good time (and provided you persevere) the oppression and condemnation of your nature. But you cannot receive my Son’s spirit unless you allow it to mould you in his mercy and compassion for others.
I love you. But my love for you cannot save you from the ultimate Hell of human nature unless you invite this love into your hearts, with humility, with gratitude through mindfuness of your own failings and potential for such failing, and with obedience.
Wishing evil on others (wishing them in Hell) is neither my nor my Son’s wish.
You do not possess his spirit when you wish such terrible and irrevocable condemnation on another. When you do, you leave yourself open to further spiritual degeneration and, ultimately, to your own condemnation.
This is your choice; it is not mine.

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4.46

Sin is its own condemnation AND punishment.

Your post, and that of the person at 4.15, suggests that Hell, the ultimate punishment for habitual, and wifully unrepented, sin is imposed by God. This is not so. Christ died to save sinners from that permanent state, the full and unspeakable horror of which he knows. Why, then, would he send sinners there? He does not: instead, he allows them to choose.

Those who say that God send souls to Hell are saying also that he created Hell: that God himself created the ultimate expression and manifestation of spiritual evil. Such claims about me are not only false; they misrepresent my eternal and loving nature, and they keep souls from my embrace.

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7.58
Be reassured the article by Archbishop elect Dermot Farrell was done by him alone to the Irish Times and not by the communications team at Maynooth or in the Archdiocesan team.
He will lead his own way and many may not like his approach however Dublin needs to move forward in the administration front as it is in the dark ages.
The only part I did not like in the Times was he said no decisions would come from him or Archbishops house with amalgamations that is wrong Pope Francis appointed him to LEAD Dublin and take the Clergy and Laity with him but looks like he is going to be the cart and the parish priests the horse.
The icing on the cake will be if he appoints henchmen as Assistant Bishops (new titles) but that could be a few years away.

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It’s sememarian Pat, there are no seminarians left and did you not know that if Amy ignores an incident then it did not happen?

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10:30am
No you cretin I was not advocating retaliatory violence but the just punishment due for for the the affront to God. You are not a Christian if you don’t think so.

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5:01pm

Who do you think you are? I’ve never heard such mumbo jumbo in my life where does all that garbage come from certainly not from sacred scripture. This may be your choice, it most certainly not mine, God help ya.

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I think the Archbishop of Armagh and any other Roman Catholic bishops or clergy need to understand that these days we are all very disinclined to take lectures on pretty much anything, especially moral issues, from them given their close proximity to the grave evil that has been committed by their clerical colleagues, as well as their implicit connection to these crimes by their silence, tacit approval and coverup. Those days of us listening to you, Your Eminence, have long since gone. You probably do more harm to your cause by trying to lecture us, so I suggest you shut up and go away quietly and say prayers of penance for what has been done by your brother priests and bishops. After a period of prayer and penance you might warrant our forgiveness and we might take an interest in what you say.

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Of course, BpPat, we discovered sometime after, the late priest was ill and this may have contributed his mental state at the time, that and drink probably. Also, I know they have a terrible reputation but I still find it hard to believe a seminarian was involved in the private romantic rendezvous

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Well, the priest concerned may have been ill. Although, I’m not sure being ill is sufficient excuse for something like this. But the seminarian probably wasn’t ill. Being “a bit lost in life” surely doesn’t provided sufficient justification for having it off on a holy altar in the sanctuary of a church, surely ?! I think if any bishop knows who these people are, this kind of behaviour would surely be an indication of unsuitability for priesthood rather than just being a case of getting a “little lost” along the way. Do the bishops of these men know what happened ? Have they taken any action ? Or, have they just looked the other way ? I think I know the answer ! I suspect the matter has been put in to the “too difficult to handle” box, and left unattended. That’s call abrogation of duty, denial, coverup. We’ve seen a lot of that before.

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The only action taken suggested the altar was hosed down at the time, but I believe it was given the once over with a proprietary cleaner such as Mr Muscle Kitchen cleaning spray.

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As old queens go, BpPat, the +Aul Doll is a sensitive creature who shocks easily. By her age, most other old hens have seen and heard everything and wouldn’t take offence at that sort of thing. Not in the slightest.

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The smooth seminarian on the altar has a beautiful slim body and is doing well now thanks. He’s a really nice guy and was just a little lost in life.

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About the RTE programme. I think the offence has nothing to do about attributing rape to god but more to do about using rape as a joke in any circumstance.
About the Lomansey photos – was there a third party involved in that scenario. Who took the photos?

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A young guy in tight grey trackies one day, and then a bare arse in a church in your next entry. Your blog is really pressing the flesh Pat!!!!

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It’s important that people see for themselves what priests and seminarians are up to.

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1:03pm
It’s also important to know that *all* priests and seminarians are like that.

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1.03: Pat, you just can’t help yourself being a vicious queen. A gossip: a destroyer of good people’s character: a vengeful, hate inciting piece of uselessness…a slutty foolish hater.

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Would you describe the priest and the seminarian having sex on the altar as ” people of good character”.

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1.26: The master diversionary tactician again.. Answer the question about your own entrenched poisonous hatred…and your own flawed nature….which is profound. Stop always being in denial. You are a pernicious person.

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Many years ago Pat, long before you came to larne, a private brothel opened up in a house in Craigyhill. It was a well visited establishment. One of the curates in Larne parish had been having a few drinks one evening and decided to go to this establishment in attempt to remonstrate with a catholic girl who ‘worked’ in the place.
A catholic neighbour noticed the priest going in and as he had not exited the building after a considerable time she grew concerned and phoned her friend who was a member of StVdeP.
Shortly afterwards two StVdeP members arrived and entered the house of ill repute only to find the priest in a big bubble bath and receiving the kind ‘ministrations’ of two of the ladies of the house!
It took a considerable amount of persuasion to get the curate out of the bath and to leave. Rumour, unconfirmed at the time, was that one of the StVdeP men was seen visiting the premises later that week! Whatever he had witnessed must have concerned him that he probably felt the need to revisit and rectify matters.

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OXFORD DICTIONARY

PORNOGRAPHY

printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement.

I have no intention of publishing any image to stimulate sexual excitement.
On the contrary the image above stimulates in me, and others, repugnance, horror and shock.

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… Is that one of Damien Hirst’s? I can’t find my reading glasses!
——–
24: “Who keeps no guard upon himself, is slack…,
And rots to nothing at the next great thaw.
Man is a shop of rules, a well trussed pack…,
Whose every Parcel underwrites a law.
Lose not thyself, nor give thy humours way:
God gave them to thee under lock and key…”
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32: — “In clothes, cheap handsomeness doth bear the bell…
Wisdom’s a trimmer thing, than shop e’er gave.
Say not then, This with that lace will do well;
But, This with my discretion will be brave.
Much curiousness is a perpetual wooing
Nothing with labour; folly long a-doing.”
— George Herbert: Perirrhanterium

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Aunty Ville. I remember that carryon all those years ago. Seems half of Larne were in tha house in Ramore Green. Lol

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I’m fed up with clergy coming on here and offering up excuses for the clerical misdoings and persons we hear about. The priest was ill, the seminarian was lost, MJB has come good, Roreeeee is going great guns in London….and so on. The fact is that these men have committed grievous sin in their behaviour; they have by and large thought that they could dupe us; they have known that mostly they are unaccountable; they rely on the clerical loyalty and protection league. While forgiveness is a major part of my Christian faith, I think it relies on people recognising what they have done wrong and making some kind of amends and attempts to change. I’m not sure I always see that. Often what I see is guys pretending to take the cure but then carrying on in their old ways, only just a bit more carefully and cautiously. But, according to clergy on here, I’m supposed to rejoice that these rogues have come good ?!

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2:40 (Red Icon)
No one cares what you think. You are a nobody. No one is looking for affirmation or forgiveness from you. You are an anonymous account on a blog, get over yourself and your self entitlement. Believe whatever you want to believe. Faux outrage at it’s best!
👏 👏 👏

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Thus speaks one of these rogues.
And they wonder why they get no respect 🤣

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2.40: And we’re sick and tired of liars and haters like you….You reference forgiveness as being important to your faith… Really? If so, go and read the gospels of Christ to truly understand the full meaning of the word…It’s easy to tell lies.

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Lol that’s not hating it’s just expecting you to act like a responsible adult.
Wait for the tantrum…

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I’ve been in my scratcher all day. Beginning to hate lockdown. I’ll now be in the scratcher all night.

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go to Tesco and buy yourself a nice bottle of wine. Whatever you do, don’t use the company credit card 🤣

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The use of the doctor title for bishops has nothing to do with an academic degree, but refers to his rôle as teacher of the faith in his diocese. Back in the seventies a conference of RE teachers were somewhat taken aback to be reminded by Archbishop Cyril Cowderoy that there was only one teacher of religion in the Archdiocese of Southwark, and that was himself! Oh for the confidence of not so long ago, compared to the spineless specimens of today.

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6.52 A closet clericalist.
No danger you’ll ever be conferred with the title with writing skills like those. No danger you know what you’re talking about when it comes to this topic either.

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You’re pathetically pleased with yourself at 7:15 for pointing out a common grammatical slip by 6:52. This is the beginning and end of your contribution. Why did you bother?

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I detect Magna’s style at 7:15 pm. The poor thing still cannot let go, but tries to get under the wire, desperate to prove he has a bit of education.Yes, it should be “a conference of teachers was … “. I am obliged to your pedantry. Were you popular at school?

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Sad init re Lomansey? He had an alcoholic addiction. I met him at my brother funeral long ago as they were drinking buddies. I didn’t know that until few weeks after funeral, I was told re him and Lomansey drinking buddies. Parish even knew it re his drink problem. Have nothing against him just may god have mercy on his soul.
Was Kildorrey altar ever re-consecrated??? Just wondering?? I don’t think he did.
Crean and eamonn Martin dont speak for me. Their endless cover up merchants and squirreling our Catholics layperson money without any accountability.
Ireland has became more virtol in anti Catholic and anti Church authorities nowadays. They all have brought it on to themselves.

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The identity of the seminarian on the Kildorrery altar has been strongly alluded to – if not actually revealed – on this blog.

The seminarian in question is still going around large as life seemingly unperturbed.

Is he the innocent victim of a malicious smear campaign? Or does he have a hold on the goolies of high ranking church officials?

Kildorrery isn’t the only scandal associated with the name of this seminarian. He is either completely innocent and his bishop is absolutely certain he is innocent? Or he ‘has the dirt’ on mitred heads?

Interesting that Rome has had words with Armagh about certain priests and seminarians. Will it lead to any action?

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Pat I am glad you are covering the blueshirts. You are well up on your history. It’s part of the Irish hirearchial history
they want to erase

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8:02pm
Nobody wants to erase it, thank God for the Blueshirts they helped to save Catholic Spain from the horrors of Communism. Who would have ended up like Poland Hungary and East Germany.

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You were somehow profoundly affected by the Kildorrery incident, Bp Pat, but you need to let go now as nothing will change what happened there. It is over.

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