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THE CATHOLIC CLERGY; FIANNA FAIL; THE GAA; ET AL.

Survivors and victims were justifiably angry with the Taoiseach Me – Hole Martin blaming “society” for the Mother and Baby Homes holocaust.

Society doesn’t just come into existence overnight and suddenly.

Society is created.

The Irish Society that existed from 1921 until the late 1970s – early 1980s was created by one major force – THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Before partition 12% of the Irish population was “protestant”.

After partition that quickly shrunk to 3 %. (However, for the sake of accuracy we must say that the 3% owned 28% of the wealth of the country.

How could any protestant feel at home in a country where he had to sign over all his children to the Roman Catholic Church?

So, with the RCC in control of the vast majority of the 97% the project was to create and maintain a Confessional Catholic State.

In the state the Constitution and laws enshrined the teachings and dogmas of the RCC.

The 1937 Constitution had the paw marks on it, not only of John Charles McQuaid but of several prominent Jesuit and Holy Ghost priests. De Valera was a past pupil and later a teacher at the Holy Ghost Blackrock College.

The led to things like the Taoiseach at the time of the Mother and Child dispute in the 1950s siding with Archbishop Mc Quaid and against the health minister Dr Noel Brown and saying: “I am a Catholic first and a politician second”.

Archbishop McQuaid carpeted the minister for health in archbishop’s house and basically had the power to sack a minister.

As far as McQuaid and the Hierarchy at the time were concerned anything to do with health, reproduction and the care of mothers and babies was the business of the RCC and none of the business of the elected government.

In fact, the “Purple Parliament” of Maynooth could over-rule the Dail in Kildare Street in Dublin.

As far as the RCC was concerned schools, homes and hospitals were theirs.

The only function the Irish government had to fulfil was to pay the RCC for running them.

The RCC, its hierarchy and its religious orders are 100% responsible for the holocausts and atrocities committed in the Mother and Baby Homes.

The politicians, the Garda, the judiciary, the legal and medical professions were full of obedient Catholics obeying the priests and bishops.

Parents and grandparents had been brainwashed into believing everything the RCC told them and so co-operated in the torture of their daughters and grandchildren.

FIANNA FAIL was really the political wing of the RCC.

The GAA was the RCC designated sport controllers.’

Other forces shaped Irish society – especially the 800 year old occupation of the country by the British.

And in that the Irish Catholic Bishops did their best to keep London happy by condemning Republicans and taking British money for their projects and indeed for their national seminary at Maynooth.

Here and there brave priests took the side of the people but those priests were harassed by their bishops.

THE IRISH TAX-PAYER should not now have to pay for the RCC concentrations camps and for the holocausts and atrocities that took place in them.

The RCC should be forced to PAY THE WHOLE BILL.

If they do it willingly, so be it.

But if they will not bring in urgent legislation to freeze every RCC asset in the country – to be sold off to pay the whole bill.

And if there are any decrepit old priests, brothers or nuns left living who were involved in the atrocities, they should be hunted down like the Nazis that fled Germany were and be brought back for face a Nuremberg like trial in Dublin.

The RCC was Ireland’s “Third Reich”.

The mother and baby homes and Magdalen laundries were Ireland’s gulags.

The hierarchy, clergy and religious were Ireland’s SS.

Let Me Hole Martin & Co stop talking bullshit.

They must not be allowed to spend Irish tax-payers money paying for the atrocities that were visited on hundreds of thousands of Irish girls and babies by the Brides and Grooms of Christ.  

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92 replies on “THE CATHOLIC CLERGY; FIANNA FAIL; THE GAA; ET AL.”

Yes Pat, I agree with nearly all you said in your blog; but Im a bit cautious about the Nuremberg-style trials, as Im not familiar enough with them to say if there was justice done at them. But certainly the Church should provide the bulk of the compensation to the victims. But having been stripped of my own perfectly decent young parents who conceived me by ‘brides of Christ so that I never saw them again, Im not sure that it was just the clergy that were to blame, for the politicians and people had swallowed the rubbish that they preached from the altars until the whole society was immersed in a vast miasma of collective self-deception. But we should remember that there were people who stood up to the church – sadly all too few. I would, if I lived in Ireland, strongly object to my tax having to pay for the crimes of the clergy, but to all these FF yes-men and the general craw-thumpers among our grandparents and parents, they also need to atone for what they did to that generation of young women by taking away their babies. But I have never appealed for money for how much is a mother worth or a father worth? What I want to see is the Church be made to change their brutal doctrines so that they don’t just pay compensation, but in the language of their catechism ‘that ‘they amend their ways!’. In the small town in which I grew up, one of the big ‘general providers’ had a lovely daughter in her late teens who fell for a married county councillor, and she got pregnant and her father turned her out of the house so she had no option but to throw herself and her baby on the mercy of the nuns. I met her a few years later in the Shellbourne Hotel and asked me if I was the person she thought I was, and we exchanged meaningless pleasantries during the course of which I asked her how she was. She said she hadn’t been all that well. What she didnt say was that she had a nervous breakdown as a result of her baby being taken from her and cast into anonymity. Forty years later, on emerging from an East London tube station, a small old lady, who was clearly by every token of her dress and the two full shopping bags of her worldly possessions and the big old coat fastened around her with a unmatching belt, was a bag lady. But she didn’t ask for a coin, but with the same question I had been asked in the Shelbourne hotel years before; and then I recognised her. I gave her my family address and offered her what help I might be able to offer, but she declined and said she was staying a few nights in a nearby night shelter.That was the price of love in the Ireland of the 1950s; the politician, incidentally, won many later elections with the votes of the people .

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Very strong words there Pat. But shure those of us with Irish blood in our veins cannot deny what went on. It happened to Irish people, being committed by Irish people. It’s all plain to see. Aside from that, all is ok here. I am mighty bored in some ways but I have a book I am reading, which was given to me. It is quite good, about a killing, and who did it. I was tempted to read the last pages to see who the killer is but I have resisted. Sometimes you just want to know, Anyhow, I hope all is well over in Larne.

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No, Anon 11,56. But did you do a course in how to ask non-consequential questions that have nothing to do with the matter discussed. You must have got a congratulatory first for it.

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By the way Pat, I am now posting as Tommy. That way no one can give out that I am a fake priest. I have just had a beautiful bottle of the old wine. But look at my typing, not a single mistake. I like a drop, but I never get drunk. God Bless and Good Night. Tis mighty cold out.

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If you were a real priest you wouldn’t be at home drinking and reading a book, you would either be at home with a Grindr date or out cruising.

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Great blog Pat, FF and the Church or, rather, the Church and FF ruled the state for the majority of its existence up till the early 80’s. They have the responsibility for the Mother & Baby Homes, the toxic attitude towards unmarried mothers and the mass emigration and corruption that decimated this country. don’t get me wrong FG were as bad, they just weren’t in power that much. Jack Lynch’s policies bankrupted the country in the late 70’s, Bertie Aherne’s bankrupted it in the 2000’s and Mehole and Leo are well on their way to bankrupting it again. Mehole was responsible for setting up the shambles that is the HSE more administrators than front line workers and from preventing school league tables being published among other things.

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Good old Mehole the dither, worst minister for health ever, worst minister for education ever (until Norma Foley) and worst taoiseach ever. Newsflash Mehole your party is as responsible for the mother and baby homes as the catholic church.

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Don’t forget that he is responsible for setting up the mess that is the hse more administrators than front line workers.

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Pat , your blog today is 100 percent accurate. If DeValera’s parents marriage certificate(if indeed it ever existed) could have been found then he would have become a priest and not a politician. He was a right wing catholic zealot and he saw it as his duty and purpose to strengthen the hand of the Catholic Church in Ireland. Every single policy of FiannaFail had the imprimatur of the Catholic Church on it. No wonder protestants in the north were dead set against joining the free state and that’s not excusing their actions either. It wasn’t society who was guilty of these heinous crimes against women and children. Society lived in fear of the long arm of the Catholic controlled state. It was the responsibility of the RCC. Micheal Martins attempt to spread the blame is laughable. Place the blame where it lies. With the RCC. The nuns and priests acted like the gestapo( only worse) in that they claimed Devine blessings for their actions. They must be made to pay. Both financially and legally. What hope has this country if they are not? The RCC were wolves wrapped up in sheeps clothing. Yes we passed these institutions by much to our shame. We were taught never to question the clergy because they knew best. We were conditioned to accept their word and cast aside our doubts. We, in our ignorance,as a society gave them carte Blanche to continue their activities. But it wasn’t society who carried out these deeds. It was the heinous RCC. Trying to dress it up any other way is an insult to all the victims. Those who are guilty, regardless of their age, must be made to answer to the law and the organisation which sanctioned these activities , the RCC, must also be made to pay. Amy Martin saying sorry just isn’t good enough. This was torture and murder. Ireland – land of saints and scholars ? More like land of dictators and despots. There can be no running away from this. Well done De Valera. You were a blind and willing fool

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I am not Irish, Bp Pat, but I expect it will end up like Percy Ahern’s redress scheme, although Leo Varadkar’s input may put pressure on them to cough up more this time.

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It’s Bartholomew, not Percival. However, it seems like everyone in Ireland at the time is getting the blame, which suggests the bulk of the redress scheme will be paid for by taxpayers in the republic plus some from the Church.

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It’s quite obvious that Pat hasn’t read the Report fully. He has reacted with legitimate rage, as all of us have, but his vitriolic incitement to violence against clerics and religious is totally OTT. I have listened carefully to survivors and support groups and while they have shared the horrors of what they experienced, their dignified demeanour is admirable. Pat should have no difficulty chasing down perpetrators, so go and search for the “decrepit” religious and bring them to the market squares!! The Report makes references to the complete negligence by the church, state, Gardai, medical personnel, judiciary, families and society in general. A visiting inspector made several complaints about the conditions in these homes in the 30’s but no one acted on her observations. Sadly, there was a hierarchy of powerful men who colluded in this tragedy. This does not exonerate any particular agency. However, the Church ought to be more ashamed in its role in this horrendous and tragic history. I truly hope, in light of the apologies expressed by the religious orders that they will now fulfil their commitment to make financial contributions to any redress scheme. Pat’s parents and my parents along with all others, and our generation – Pat’s and mine – all became aware in the 80’s of the reality of these institutions. Pat and all seminarians knew that our crisply returned laundry was returned every week from Magdalen Laundries in Dublin and Waterford. We knew then about the practices we now refer to as slave labour. Perhaps we even joked as the laundry was so perfectly returned to us students. I don’t recall any students expressing “outrage”!! It’s easy to jump up and down in rage. Now we must be proactive in ensuring justice for all who still hurt and who who need compassion. A question i’m grappling with is – how can I contribute – not just financially – in a meaningful way to a process of healing and support for survivors that honours their dignity and not just express condemnation of this horror history? I will listen ever more intently to survivors and support groups and be guided by them, not by hysterical, almost demented rhetoric by Pat. I am challenged too about the Church I belong to and about my complicity by “my” silence over the decades. Shame belongs to me now!

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I can not speak for what you knew.

I did not know about the Magdalen Laundries in Dublin or Waterford.

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9.41: Pat, where did you think your laundry was done for you? All of us as students knew. All of us, yes, even in your time. Let’s not play innocent. The Magdalen Launderies suppied their work for colleges, seminaries, hotels, government agencies, embassies. Yes, a most unpalatable truth. So, we were complicit at some level in “abusing” these women. That’s my sense of shame this moment.

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I knew our clothes were sent to a laundry. My laundry number in Clonliffe was A23.

I had no idea where or what the laundry was.

Had I known I would not have been able to protest and I’m sure I would not have.

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Most people, in the UK at least, had never about them until the 2002 film ‘The Magdalene Sisters,’ although I also seem to recall a BBC drama about it before the film came out.

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@ 9.33

You write “The Report makes references to the complete negligence by the church, state, Gardai, medical personnel, judiciary, families and society in general”.

Please step away from your Stockholm syndrome and honestly consider who informed “Gardai, medical personnel, judiciary, families and society in general”? was it per chance the clerics speaking from the Altar, demanding obedience and denouncing those who did not ‘tow-the-line’?

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10.04: The reality being that so many agents of the church and state colluded together. A concerned woman inspector made her observations of cruelty, malnutrition and mortality rates known to authorities but her reports were ignored. I am appalled that the Church to which I belong was part of this horrific abuse. The reality of church dominance in its abuse of power, morality and prestige is now a deeply entrenched black stain on the church that will not disappear, ever. I just hope that the Church and religious orders will now fully contribute to compensation. From hereon it is not sufficient simply to shout our ugly condemnation but we must each try to do something worthwhile for survivors and ensure that women, children and families who are marginalised today through homelessness, poverty and disadvantage will be truly cared for.

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The laundry for St Patrick’s College, Maynooth was still going strong in the Presentation Convent in the town until the late 1980s.

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Itcwas a mainly lay female workforce overseen by a few nuns. It’s been turned into apartments. When the Presentation Convent laundry closed the college replaced it with an ordinary commercial firm, which was much more expensive. I remember the complaints at the time from the priests and sems about the higher cost.

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As Tommy has said: ” It happened to Irish people, being committed by Irish people.” It’s always tempting to find someone else to blame – historically, the British – but these iterations of abuse and neglect and wickedness came from within Ireland itself; they were done by Irish people to Irish people; and they were done within the moral, ethical, cultural and religious framework of Catholicism, which in itself is not an intrinsic evil, but which was given such sinister undertones throughout Irish history by Irish people that it became evil in its implementation. This phenomenon was driven by Irish society, and in particular by leaders of politics and society – namely politicians of the time – and by bishops and priests. It was a symbiotic relationship, in which both recognised that they needed each other and needed to feed each other. The food they gave each other was the poor people of Ireland. It is not a pretty sight watching the bishops and priests and nuns of these days eating humble pie and making apology for the behaviour of those on whose shoulders they continue to stand. It is not edifying to watch politicians subtly trying to move the blame away from their predecessors on to the Church. Neither group has anything to be around of and has little ground for making excuses. Abject sorrow and penitence is required. Twofold action is required: The Government must put in place checks and balances that oversee effectively the work and life of organisations which do important activity in the State – especially by thirty parties – such as education, health care, social care, interaction with the vulnerable (some of this having already happened). Secondly, the Church needs to divest itself not just of its historically overarching and superior attitude to all things ethical and moral, and become much more cooperative with other points of view and attitudes in order to arrive as a national consensus which guides our lives. In addition, a serious look should be taken by State and Church at the state of Church finances and properties, so that for the future these can be used for the good of the Irish people – from whom they came originally – rather than distilling them down to the benefit of a ever decreasing clerical and religious population. That might mean some form of voluntary giving up of assets and resources for the benefit of the Irish people, or if necessary expropriation. In these ways the State and Church could show true penitence for the evils that were committed on their watch in the past, and help ensure that such evils are not inflicted on the Irish people ever again.

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9.41
Oh, no! You are not getting away with that nonsense. You are downplaying the role of the institutional RCC to one of moral co-equality with an Irish political party, as if the social mismanagement, abuse, and corruption of Irish society were a joint enterprise.
These abuses came on foot of a savage, merciless, ruthless, unforgiving and punitive morality by the institutional RCC. This institution alone dominated religious life in Ireland at the time and was able, and insistent upon, setting the moral tone for as much of the island as it could. It was principally this institution which conceived, ordered, and coerced the kind of society it thought would make Ireland a model Catholic country for a century blighted by wars and by moral drift.
You are hiding historical cowardice behind a fig leaf of obvious deceit and self-convenience. What you have isn’t worth hiding. And certainly isn’t worth a second look.

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@ 1032 – So, what was the role of the Irish State in all this ? What you are suggesting is that they abrogated any responsibility for what was happening, and gave it all over to the Roman Catholic Church. And that somehow absolves them of any blame ? That doesn’t absolve them. It shows that they were implicated in what happened by the fact that they allowed the RCC to do what it was doing. They were complicit by their inaction and abrogation of responsibility. There is no getting away from that. There is a fundamental flaw in logic in your argument.

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1.08

There is no flaw in my post. (How can truth be flawed?) But there is a flaw in your understanding of it.

I did not say that the Irish state was blameless; I said that the institutional RCC was ‘principally’ responsible for the abuses, not exclusively so.

You completely overlooked the pivotal fact that Irish politicians here were Catholic and, by and large, unquestioningly deferential to the Irish Catholic hierarchy: what it dictated socially more or less went.

Irish politicians of the time were weak, obedient moral marionettes, the puppet master being that hierarchy.

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The Free State was failed state it devolved responsibility for social services to the RCC and let them do what they wanted. It let its citizens starve and emigrate, De Valera was even against rural electrification. Then again he didn’t live in a rural area.

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Yesterday, when speculating about an appointment to Glasgow, nobody mentioned the much loved Bishops Hugh of Aberdeen and Bill of Galloway. Either would make a very fine Archbishop and both are surely close to the finishing line, way ahead of others named.

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Monks should stay in their lane and chant their office behind monastery walls and not be running about as bishops.

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Bill of Galloway shortly after appointment to Galloway suffered a heart attack. Just like Philip he has that health issue.
Hugh Gilbert has proved and excellent bishop and might well translate to Edinburgh should Leo Cushley go to Glasgow or even Westminster !!! Yes!

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Gerry they most likely not put a 70 year old man into Glasgow or Edinburgh.
be excellent if they transferred Archbishop Cushley but Keenan is doing his homework just now on the media and so on and remember he was an outsider for Paisley but the Professors from the UNI contacted the Vatican and hey presto and this time he has Nicholls on his side who sits on the Congregation for Bishops.

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10.46
Bishop Hugh is a Very Good and Holy Man however he is 69 and give the state of Glasgow with too many parish’s a lot of c/o clergy it will need to be someone strong like Archbishop Cushley has done in Edinburgh.
Bill of Galloway has ben a damp squib in Galloway just lets the crew run Galloway and very few Clergy he would be too weak anywhere else although given Bishop Toal has addressed Motherwell that could be a ticking over job for Bill.
Keenan has likely got the professors and so on to write to Rome already as he thinks it is his and if so a very sad day for Glasgow.
In Paisley 5 years constantly late with accounts and well in the Red an expensive (Thousands of pounds) Synod became a talking shop and produced nothing.
Keenan a Friend of Nicholls.

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Keenan will be good for Glasgow and will kick many lazy gossiping whinging clergy asses. That’s why they don’t want him.

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Keenan will be staying right where he is. His rush to the media after Philips death will not have gone unnoticed. He may have overplayed his hand. Will be seen as too anxious to put himself out there. And people have heard the Cardinal Winning ring story to the point of boredom.
Glasgow needs sorting out. Leo is the man. What’s more as a former diplomat in the Vatican’s service he has many friends and admirers in high places. I wouldn’t be surprised, as someone hinted earlier, if he went south to Westminster. Failing that he has the ability to sort out Glasgow’s problems and in the Vatican’s eyes would be a very safe pair of hands.

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Keenan is unable to control his priests and students and would be the same in Clyde str. Many of his priests are in gay relationships with priests from other places and seminarians run rings round him.

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The report says that conditions were much worse in the Irish state-run institutions, the so-called county homes.
It’s sickening to see the repeal the 8th crowd crying crocodile tears for babies. Their version of the mother and baby home is the abortuary.

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Classic diversion:
‘Look they are doing something terrible’.
‘What about this other crime’.
You’re despicable and have no morals.

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You can, you know, simultaneously think that the mother and baby homes are bad and that abortuaries are bad. The repeal the 8th crowd think only one is bad. If you voted to repeal the 8th you are despicable and have no morals.

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Yes you can, but if you actually do you don’t divert automatically from one to the other.

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12.46

How do you know that all or any of those protesting here the abuses of women and children in such dark Irish times are pro-abortion?

How do you know?😕

Or would you rather just think it so, since it suits you to demonise people who are rightly apportioning to the Catholic Church the lion’s share of blame for these abuses, and it upsets you?

Perhaps this is driving your bitterness more than the horror of aborted children. Perhaps you really care more about this morally rotted institution than you do the peril of unborn and unwanted babies.

Perhaps you should have a word with your sub-conscious self.

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@2:31
Absolutely, but sadly you can’t expect them to have that level of insight because they are tunnel vision single issue simplistic thinkers. Otherwise they would recognise that it is perfectly possible to have morals and agree with abortion and it’s also perfectly possible to weigh up the risk of abortion against other risks to human life and come to the conclusion that other risks are higher risk. Because they only have one issue they are blind to other issues.

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The repeal the 8th crowd are undoubtedly pro-abortion. Tonight’s Late, Late Show will be full of them rending their garments about an earlier set of babies.

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10.02: Thanks Pat. I didn’t protest either: there is much, when, with time, we realise the personal complicity by silence in so many hurts inflicted in women and children.

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If the church had retained the faith that people once had in it the abortion referendum would not have passed. Look in the mirror before you start blaming others.

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I think the abortion referendum was successful as the Iridh people wanted to punish the RCC.

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5:06, and in punishing the RCC they ended up punishing innocent babies. Little babies murdered and ripped from the womb.

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Of course Buckley hasn’t read the Report. He’s relying on the soundbites and narrative of those with an agenda that coincides with his own.

The Report is a lot more balanced and nuanced than the preferred narrative of “modrin”, “enlightened” secularist Ireland awash in the blood of aborted children.

What do we do now with “unwanted”, “inconvenient” boys and girls? Dismember them, crush their skulls, inject their tiny hearts with poison. Hoover them out and flush them away before they see the light of day. All very sanitary and clinical and we will call it “reproductive healthcare”.

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Good point. Even if I didn’t believe in Christ, I would still be against abortion. It just seems barbaric.

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It is certainly barbaric but it is hidden away from our eyes and is called “healthcare”. The aborted are out of sight and out of mind just as those mother’s and babies were in the past.

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The usual Father, you were first off the mark yesterday, attack Bishop Buckley, deflect, don’t answer any criticisms in the report.

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@3:26 it isn’t hidden away – you can tell any abortion clinic by the fundamentalists outside. Incidentally of course it isn’t done in public, like any healthcare. Would you like an operation in public?

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So are you offering to support these unwanted children for the next 18 years? Do please provide your name and address so that mothers can be directed to you.

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What would be the response of a body with actual Christian values?
‘We are ashamed of what we have done and will actively work ourselves into destitution because we need to make reparation.’
Fools.

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The anti abortion zealots are out in force I see. Hijacking the plight of the mother and baby homes and laundries to highlight their own agenda. Trampling on the memories of the victims of those horrible places. Shame on you all.

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3.56: We are right to concentrate on the survivors of Mother and Baby Homes. We are also rught to be concerned about Our abortion fugures: about child poverty: about homelessness: abiut families in great need – there are so many in our society today who are being failed, marginalised and neglected. In 25/30/50 years time what will then governments need to apologise for? Much. None of us should trample over abuse survivors stories to further our own agendas of vindictiveness and vengeance. Condemnation if abuse, evil and a wrongs, absolutely: inciting a violence of sorts against abusers, absolutely not. Survivors want acknowledgment of their TRUTHS, recognition of their true identity and JUSTICE in every way. How can we each ensure these entitlements for survivors? I have to grapple personally with my part in this shameful history…and discern what I can meaningfully do.

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Pat @4pm You underestimate how bishops can still control priests if the clergy still want to retain their faculties, have a roof over their heads and the amount of work they are allowed to carry out in their own dioceses and elsewhere. You are probably unaware that some priests are still punished by their superiors but all done very subtly.

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The vast majority of “the people” have never heard of Pat Buckley and couldn’t tell you who he is. Likewise, they probably wouldn’t know Éamonn Martin either – though there is more chance as they might see him on the news occasionally.

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5.23: Not true. Pat is respected by many clerics. Absolutely and deservedly so re: challenging the church and clericalism. We are each entitled to challenge him in return. Pat enjoys the robust commentary. When he paints all of us with one stroke, that’s unfair and unjust. The Mother and Baby Homes Report should be read in full by all of us. What we are getting from some is their spin, interpretation and personal agenda. We must also still listen to survivors and support groups as to how best we might help and support them. Whipping up vengeance is not what will achieve full TRUTH and JUSTICE. Even our President Michael D has acknowledged the interplay of various powerful institutions of church and state…It is notable that FF, FG and Labour politicians are being very nuanced in their response…Could it be that these parties governed our nation during these years when they, with an inspectors report, were made aware of the conditions and concerns for the health of mothers and babies, chose not to bring the report to cabinet? Whatever our history or our revisionism, the Church of all institutions should have been the refuge of true Christ-like compassion and care. The institutions failed and this is a stain and horror that will forever be remembered. Our Church leadership and Religious Orders must now act with a speedy compensation scheme and provide all necessary support where possible for survivors.

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@5.24pm Roffl at your beyond silly suggestion that Leo Cushley could go South to Westminster. Scotland has a different Bishops Conference to England and Wales just like Ireland you twit. You really don’t have a clue. Thay’s like saying Donal McKeown or Larry Duffy could go to Westminster. Best laugh I have had all day. Keep it up. Keenan for Glasgow all the way.

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Being from a difference Bishops Conference is of no consequence. The Vatican has made some strange appointments in recent years.and parachuting Leo Cushley into Westminster while unusual could happen.
However John I don’t think you’ll move to Glasgow.

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John is one of the most incompetent bishops in scottie land. He is a careerist and only in it for himself. I have written to him twice now about his abusive and nasty sem ‘’Evan James”, it says it all really removing your second name from your personal Facebook, yet he still manages to get found out… and then the threats from one of his priests. Bsp John will not be of any benefit to Clyde str. Please pray that Mr Cushley is installed and can finally rid Glasgow of its filth

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Robert, I believe he was in hospital and this might have caused all the weight he has piled on. Or the stress of a double life?

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I’ve just realised something – the abortion tunnel view people never but never mention contraception, which is surely the natural accompaniment and you would expect to be mentioned in the same breath.
Could this possibly be because they ignore that teaching of the church?
These two things are two foundation stones of the death cult of Roman Catholicism because a world in which only sex within marriage is allowed and contraception and abortion are ruled out, would in very short order be a dying world with rampant starvation.
That’s right, the thing which kills.
The only time Roman Catholics are interested in life is in the womb.

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I’m quite gratified you published it – I actually think what I said is literally true and the danger to life of overpopulation is very real in many parts of the world. I think it may be more responsible in that situation to abort a baby. I actually see in my work a lot of the effects of parenting by poor, ill, young, irresponsible or addicted parents and this trauma can last a lifetime. I genuinely wonder whether some mums would be better terminating their pregnancy because they just can’t provide a child with what it needs.

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8.30: Agree with what? The very distorted thinking of 8.29? A view which is almost indecipherable because it is so ignorantly and poorly expressed. But we get the gist of it – anti Catholic rant and a plea for abortion as a solution to world starvation. How morally bankrupt does this seem? Appalling thinking.

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8.36

Kill an unborn child to prevent starvation? Why stop there? Why not kill the under fives? The over-65s? Both are economically unproductive after all.

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Pat I looove it when the Cathbots apply their lack of logic to an intelligent person’s comments, in this case suddenly rambling on to people contributing economically, for some bizarre reason and totally avoiding the simple fact that starvation kills.
Honestly it shows the deterioration in teaching morals.

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After a few days of harrowing and depressing blogs, Bp Pat, its time you cheered us up a bit with an update on the monastic scandals.

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Remember rcc ruled Ireland with an iron fist. Their word was sacrosanct. Perfect description of rcc as Ireland ‘ss’. But the 3rd reich belonged to dept of education, medical profession, garda and medical experiments. Rcc would have been caught with their pants down if dept of education or garda or medical personnel of the schools refuse to Co operate with them. Let me give you an example, there was a psychiatrist named Paul mc quaid who se uncle was Archbishop mc quaid. He was then a psychiatrist for deaf schools. Lot of deaf boys who wet their beds cos of fear of beaten up at night. The problem was how to communicate with that pysch who had no signing skills and pass his professional medical judgement on us without finding out why we wet our beds. There was a famous medical doctor with albino hair who examied and fondled well over 200 deaf boys balls. Some boys were sent to hospital for operation. This episode reminded me of josef mengele. He’s still around in schools in Ireland doing the same thing to kids with normal hearing. Ex classmate found out in Waterford that doctor was about examine his son as he stopped all that but never reported to the garda. Also medical trial or experimental one involving injections at young age as I have tried to access my medical file. I was told by the nuns that it was all burned out. It was a financial inducements for them both nuns and doctors as well.

In relation to dept of education inspectors who made ad hoc visits to 1st and 2nd schools. They made no mention of our appearance nor fear on our faces. Teachers were afraid of that inspector cos they could lose a job on inspection.

We found the garda were quite useless cos when some of the Deaf boys who ran to cabra garda Station with black eyes after cbs beating etc. Garda believed cbs word than us as a certain well known cbs beater were given a slap in the wrist, nothing more or less.

FF ruled the country since 1930s as there was a huge collusion between the garda, medical profession and govt authorities such as dept of education as well in all of this ranging from institutional abuses to mother and baby home.

I fear for some mother and baby home cases cos the redress board will minimise everything in every case that they examined as that was mine and others experience. Cos of the gagging clause as it was a gravy train for the legal profession as well.

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Were you intending to persuade me of your position with that mouthful of abuse ‘father’ or were you merely beating me in God’s name.

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Pat,

In terms of State failure. Could we have a blog on the number of covid deaths in regulated care homes?

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