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ABORTION versus MOTHER AND BABY HOME MURDER / TORTURE.

BLOG READERS have been comparing current abortion in Ireland with the murder and torture revealed in the evil Mother and Baby Homes.

In my mind, they are two completely different issues.

What happened in the Mother and Baby Homes was systemised murder and torture presided over by the Roman Catholic Church and its bishops, priests and religious.

The state and the other non church players do deserve some of the blame.

But, in their defence, they were members of the RCC Cult – which was more of a cult then than it is now, and they were brainwashed by bishops, priests and religious into believing that what they said and did was God saying and doing, and to challenge and disobey them was disobeying and challenging God.

At that time bishops and priests could publicly condemn you and you woukd ve shunned by the whole community.

Bishops and priests condemned many thousands of people – pregnant women, homosexuals, protestants, to flee to England or the USA.

In one sense the bishops, priests and religious were the Irish Nazis / Third Reich / Gestapo and those in “society” were like the German population frightened into silence for fear of reprisals by the bishops, priests and religious.

And the Mother and Baby Homes were the Irish equivalent of Hitler’s concentration camps – where those who were not “good enough” for the RCC crowd, to be put out of sight, used for slave labour, tortured, sexually abused and even murdered and buried in unmarked graves.

The bishops, priests and religious were the Nazis of post treaty Ireland and the silent population, professions etc were the fearful, silenced, intimidated, brainwashed, equivalent of silent Germany.

ABORTION:

I am not opposed to abortion because of RCC teachings.

I’m opposed to abortion because I’m a human being and a Christian.

I believe killing a baby in the womb is always wrong – except in some rare circumstances.

And those rare cases do not make abortion a GOOD. At best they make it A LESSER OF TWO EVILS.

I believe calling the baby a “fetus” or a “collection of cells” is to take away from the dignity of human life and a cop out.

However, Irish law now allows abortion.

All Christians and others are allowed to condemn abortion publicly and to campaign for a change in the law.

After that we must leave those who have abortions, support abortion and perform abortions to the judgement of God.

BUT abortion and the Mother and Baby Homes are two totally different issues.

MAYBE WE NEED THE IRISH EQUIVALENT OF THE NURMEMBURG TRIALS TO SORT IT OUT.

We could start them by bringing Amy Martin and Donal McKeown as witnesses or co-defendants before them?

122 replies on “ABORTION versus MOTHER AND BABY HOME MURDER / TORTURE.”

You expressed the essence of the Church of Rome very well, Pat. I should qualify it with just one word, ‘good’.

The Romanists, like Albert Spier, were ‘good Nazis’.

And like the Nazis, the Romanists are now facing THEIR Nuremberg trials.😅

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Perhaps the poster who posted about the serious outcome that almost ensued the last time MC almost went OTT would enlighten us with more specifics. He needs help soon.

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More predictable Buckley’s rewriting of history. It’s quite apparent you haven’t read any REPORT. At this stage your hatred of the Catholic church is tiresome. We could write your script. The abuse suffered by women and children was/is morally reprehensible. The easy acceptance of abortion is also morally reprehensible. In both situations we are abusing women and innocent children. Human life is involved in all situations. That you renounced your identity as a Catholic priest to found your Oratory doesn’t necessarily place your morality higher or better than any other Christian. Any issue that gives you an opportunity to attack your former Christian home is well manipulated by you. You are a class act manipulator of other people’s hurt for your own agenda.

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I’m getting on now Pat and a bit doddery, but my recollection is that Cahal Daly (The Informer) kicked you out?

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You could have posted the picture of the Nazis on its own and made your point exactly 🤣
I am against abortion but am also pro-choice. I would like to think that people live in a purposeful way and that babies are planned and born to families who can look after them.
Unfortunately the reality is people don’t live like that and I don’t think a child should be saddled with the consequences of not being wanted.
I think babies conceived by rape should be aborted.
However I think the key thing here is that people should have choice and that choice be informed.
Some of the clergy who comment on here make me want to go out and get pregnant just so I can have it terminated, they are so odious.

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8.21
You yourself ‘do’ odious very well indeed.
I wonder why no one ever takes you seriously…except for a laugh.

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Disagree Pat, both different ways of solving the same problem of unwanted pregnancies. EVERY child deserves the RIGHT of a chance at life.

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If you TRULY believed human life as sacred, you would respect it, both in and EX utero. The nature of your post suggests that you don’t.
And the sexual abuse of children by Romanist priests, along with its deliberate concealment as a matter of canonical policy (and, therefore, with the approval of successive popes), suggests that the institutional Roman Catholic Church does not respect such life either.
To be taken seriously on anti-abortion (in particular its premise, that human life is sacred) one must be consistent about how human life in general is treated, in and OUT of the womb. I’m afraid, however, that the record of the institutional Roman Catholic Church on treating human life outside the womb has shown not just flagrant disregard for it (and, therefore, the claim that it is sacred), but utter and appalling contempt, with its evil abuse of children, and its traditional moral support for so-called ‘just war’ and for capital punishment.
‘Hypocrisy’ really is too small a word for this moral double-dealing.
You can see this, can’t you? 😕

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Frequently recurring texts. Did you cut ‘n’ paste this from the 10,000 previous times you’ve said this, MC.
PS, not at work again, I see.

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11.49
I know it must be difficult for you to accept such mammoth moral shortcomings in the church you serve over Christ. I can appreciate the mental agony in coming to terms with the historical fact that the pristine moral character of institutional Romanism is… Well, a great, big lie, really. A whopper of its kind. No wonder the Romanists moved Hell itself to prevent the delicate veil of moral respectability from being torn off its hideous, child-predatory and child-sacrificing, Dorian Gray-esque features.
Yes, we all were made fools of by these people for so very long.
But there is a way out.
Have you the testicles to take it?

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@11:49: Good to see you’re devotedly following Magna’s comments. But I think you’ve counted wrongly. I make it only 9,999. So keep reading them, and counting. I will too. We can check again in a month’s time. I do like to get my figures right and I’m sure you like to get your facts correct. Your comment bears all the hallmarks of that characteristic.
Read on my friend.

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Bishop Pat, updates are needed on Dom Dick and Neil “GET-OUT-IN-THAT-KITCHEN-AND-RATTLE-THEM-POTS-AND-PANS” Dargan.
On Stephen “would you like to see my special offers on today’s Trolly” Wilson too – updates needed.
Where’s that solicitor lad from Kerry gone off too? Has he wised up?
I hear Monk Fitzgerald is still being made do penance for speaking candidly to you thinking you were a bishop.
He has to kneel at the door of the Refectory before and after every meal and, as the monks enter and leave, they hit him a big slap across the back of the neck. He has to eat alone in his underpants.
Speaking of underpants, any word from the Captain in Mullagh and Cross? Why don’t you undertake a wee pilgrimage when the weather improves to the Saturday evening vigil mass, Pat? Introduce yourself as a friend of Fanny and ask for an interview on his irregular motions of the Micky?
Updates, Pat. Updates.

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This is all very tragic.
I sometimes wonder about angry, old alcoholic priests. Did they get that way because their kids were adopted away from them and they felt they couldn’t leave the priesthood?

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The fundamental difference between the RCC and the Nazis is that the evils arising from the former have been the results of corruption and hypocrisy, whereas those from the latter were fundamental to the Nazi world-view. The treatment of gays by the RCC is nothing compared to what they have suffered from Calvinists, Nazis and socialists. The former has never described gays as sub-humans requiring enslavement and extermination.

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You need to sort out your thought processes, if you bother to think things through at all. Comparing x to y doesn’t mean x is zero. The RCC is a big and easy target but, as I wrote, the worst persecutions that gays have suffered in the last two centuries have been from Calvinists, Nazis and classic Socialists. One of the most evil things that the British did in this period was to export their Calvinist homophobia to their empire -it’s not because of the RCC that in Jamaica they enjoy songs featuring gays being shot, burned and kicked to death. The RCC never put gays in gulags or gas chambers either; the worst it has done is to say that gays don’t belong in it. My gay friends in eastern Europe don’t care about the RCC, because they are getting letters from neo-Nazis enclosing photos of themselves and threatening to stuff their genitals down their throats.

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12.44

Sooooo you judge the RCC on its record of treating gays…by what it didn’t, and doesn’t, do to them rather than on what it did do, and still does?

I don’t think there’s any point in telling you ‘to sort out your thought processes’: that’s too big a job for just one person.

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If this is only about about the treatment of gays by the RCC, with an artificial exclusion of the wider historical and contemporary context, then fine -but rather trivial nowadays, and tending to boredom. The RCC has lost its wider moral authority, and membership of it is voluntary. If you don’t like it, leave it alone. Why are some gays so obsessed with it? What are they projecting psychologically? But if you are claiming that the RCC was a prime mover in the persecution of gays in the 20th century world, then you are an idiot. BTW, “sooooo” and “???” suggest that you are trying to think with your limbic system, which is something that I prefer to leave to my cats.

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2.00

The sorting out of those thought processes of yours…a bigger job than even I believed. 😰

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I always think of the woman in the abortion clinic is very much like the woman caught in adultery. Most people commenting on here will be totally incapable of getting pregnant. If you don’t play the game, you don’t make the rules.

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9.06: By that logic we should allow every abuser hit his/her partner if we are not in their situation and “we don’t know”…or we should allow drunkards drive a car to get home because he/she wants to do so and “it’s none of my business anyway..”!! Crazy logic.

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10.52

‘Drunkards’? A pejorative word for ‘alcoholic’.

I’m sorry, but I cannot take you seriously on being anti-abortion. To be properly anti-abortion, one must truly accept its moral premise: that ALL human life is sacred (including the lives of ‘drunkards’) and that it must, therefore, be shown the respect this innate dignity requires.

But ‘drunkards’?

Nah! Your ‘respect’ for human life is nothing more than a selective, ideological platform. Just like that of your church, which has expressed, well, mammoth disregard for human life through most of its appalling history.

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Abortion is not illegal. Drink driving is and so is hitting your partner. Sexual abuse is also illegal but the church has tolerated it.

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The woman caught in adultery did not kill her husband. You have a very bad dose of either moral relativism aka Myxomatosis. I suggest you need help, lots of in in fact.

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11.27: Obviously, my dear Mags, the commenter at 10.52 has described you so well – a drunkard – as your mums explained to you many times. Come back to me and we’ll sort things out. Remember St. Monica and her son, St. Augustine. – how he finally returned back to a new life…” Late have I loved thee, Lord…”. You danced with joy when I read those lines to you…Come back, my dear son…Come back!

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There was no uprising, Bp Pat, the population of Germany supported Hitler and the Nazi party to the bitter end.
It seems the Irish kept electing governments they knew perfectly well would be dominated by the Catholic Church. Even as late as 2004, the old queen, Desmond O’Connell, was banning the then prime minister of Ireland, Bertie Ahern, from bringing his long term girlfriend to any official functions O’Connell may also be attending.
I am not Irish but that’s what a read.

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I do not agree with the Roman Catholic Church about everything. Some of the teaching is patent nonsense – particularly the theology of sacraments and the notion that they are the main source of grace that brings us closer to God. I’d also throw in a lot of the rather twee and contrived piety that has grown up around Catholicism – especially the Marian apparitions. Moving beyond those, however, in some very important aspects of life and the world, the Roman Catholic Church has got it right in its teaching. I would mention the social teaching of the RCC, which seems to me to start from the premise that we are all equal – created in the image and likeness of God, as the expression goes – and all have an equal and inherent dignity. What flows from that makes absolute sense in matters of justice, social and economic matters, work, the right to education, healthcare and housing and a decent level of life. The other thing that the RCC has by and large got right is the emphasis on the right to life and its dignity, from conception to the grave. It includes abortion, but not exclusively. So often, Catholic right to lifers emphasis one aspect of the seamless garment which is the Church’s teaching on life, usually abortion. Often, they forget other aspects of this teaching, for example the last Trump Attorney General, Barr, who was lionised and awarded as a faithful Catholic, spent his last weeks in office trying to ensure the vindictive execution of Federal prisoners as a final act of blood letting. I’m not sure I heard too many US bishops shouting out about that ? I have always taken the view that there needs to be a consistency about the various stages of life and how it is respected and protected. There is no point on in concentrating on one area and ignoring the lack of respect and protection at other stages of life. Why oppose abortion if you really don’t care if the child that could be born will live in poverty and ignorance ? So, an equal balance needs to be given to all stages. I accept that in the case of abortion, the child in the woman is the one person in the equation who has no power or voice and relies on others to speak for it, especially if the mother will not. And so, perhaps abortion does have an added edge to it. Like + Pat, however, I equally must recognise that the majority of the population do not think as I think, and they have supported a law that allows abortion in certain circumstances. My voice has not been silenced, and I will continue to raise it, but I also have to accept that in this democratic society I too have to respect the right of others to think differently from me. I abhor every abortion, seeing it as an objective wrong, although the subjective circumstances around it can vary so widely. I accept that terminations for medical reasons – perhaps including fatal foetal abnormality, or the health of the mother – might well be the lesser of two evils, but I will still mourn that loss of life. Equally, I mourn any harm that is done to vulnerable and weak persons, at whatever stage of life, and will put as much of my effort in to addressing those issues as I will the matter of abortion. So, it is right that we discuss what our society has done in the past, and perhaps still does, to those who are disadvantaged, marginalise, reviled, or who are poor and downtrodden.Those lives are important too. And where wrong has been done to them, an accounting is necessary. It’s right that we talk about that accounting – by whom, on whom, and what kind of accounting, with what consequences for the individuals and the institutions concerned. My own view is that it should not be accounting-light, but should have teeth in terms of the words it uses and the consequences for it, including financial and expropriatory. It should hurt, because the pain that was caused hurt far more. Any Church leader who tries to minimise the harm that has been done, and tries to slither past any accountability of himself or the institution he represents, should be called out firmly. I think of + Martin of Armagh. I also think of + Nichols of Westminster. These men’s first reaction to anything is to underestimate it and to find ways of minimising it. Anything to crawl away from responsibility. These are the people who need to be brought to account.

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My neighbour is a gynaecologist. Friendly chap. Wants to be friends. But, I know that he works as well at the Marie Stopes Clinic in town, and I know that he performs abortions. All legal. However, I want nothing to do with him. Why would I want to have a drink, chat over the garden fence, with someone who several times a week dispatches unborn children, no matter of what gestation. I’d have more time for the women who come to him. They very often have very complicated and difficult stories that have led them there. He, however, with calculation brings life in the womb to an end with monotonous regularity. I wonder when he will get his accounting ?

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@11:32. Thank heck I’m not your neighbour if you think that concerns about living beside a serial killer make someone narrow-minded . Pot, Kettle, Black

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11.32: I’d ignore you if I was living beside you – a supporter of the killing of the unborn child. You are disgusting and morally bankrupt.

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11.13: Your moral integrity and upholding of the dignity of human life – that of the innocent unborn child – are commendable and courageous, unlike the killer who is your neighbour. I too could not be a friend of an abortionist who makes a lucrative career out of the abortion industry, for that is what abortion has become – a lucrative business. Thank you for your moral integrity.

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11.13
WWJD? Didn’t he eat and drink with the social outcasts of his time, the tax collectors and sinners (including prostitutes)?
And didn’t Jesus, from the Cross, call for the forgiveness of his murderers?
Your example doesn’t remind me of Christ’s, but of the Pharisees’ and Scribes’. They excoriated Jesus for associating with the morally untouchables of his time, believing this rendered a ‘good’ Jew ritually unclean. It did, but these laws, of rutual cleanliness, were men’s, not God’s.
Just think: if you befriended this guy, God could have a significant opportunity to dissuade him, through you, from carrying out abortions. And a further opportunity…to make you in HIS image, not that of the Pharisees and Scribes.

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@12.08. Yes huge shortages on the shelves. I tried to find an intelligent Englishman but there were none available, even in Lidl and they usually have loads of stuff that’s turned and gone off. Also all the fresh orangemen were mouldy and smelled of pee

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Unless Pat has been south of the border how would he know about Irish supermarkets? Loyal Larne and its supermarkets are 100% British.

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Much rancour on here today. Let’s steady ourselves and perhaps move to a more pleasing approach to a subject of great importance, that being the future episcopal appointments in Ferns, Dublin, Glasgow and Ossory. There is much to stimulate the mind here, much to tease an inquiring mind.

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And pray tell, what slightest difference is any of these episcopal appointments going to make to life ? Except for a few men who think that they have arrived when they get a pointy hat. These things are of little significance to the vast majority of people. The Church continues to become increasingly irrelevant to the lives of most people And the Church and its bishops and priests only have themselves to blame. Who could possibly take + Amy seriously when he can’t even capture the right tone for talking about such terrible wrongdoing by church people over the decades ? How can we take him seriously when all he is really doing is trying to snake his way out of facing the reality of the harm done and to find excuses to minimise any accountability and responsibility ? He can’t help it, I know, because of the indoctrination that he has been brought up in, believing that the Church can never be at serious fault. So, he minimises, he excuses, he transfers guilt, he obfuscates, he covers up. And you are telling us that the appointment of bishops should concern us ?

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My friend, yes, indeed, I am informing you about a matter of significance, that being episcopal appointments. Yes, it is a subject of interest to many informed readers of this blog. They take comfort in knowing that much careful thought goes into appointments at the highest level and enjoy sharing knowledge of who might be elevated. May I end by referring to what I thought was a rude comment about mitres. Surely, my friend, they are rather more than ‘pointy hats’? I am very sorry to say you have displayed a lack of courtesy. Let us resume an informed, lively debate about the forthcoming appointments in sees of significance.

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@ 1:03 – Get a life and get over yourself ! Except for a bit of titillation and gossip, these appointments will amount to very little. Old grey men upholding the untenable and scurrying around as if they have a significance to what happens in the vast majority of peoples’ lives. Then, some of them entertain themselves out of the box – the KOBs of this world and the likes. How do you expect us to take them seriously ? Please !

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Just a few things I would take issue with.
Nobody is equal in the Catholic church, there is a very clear hierarchy from God down, with the clergy slightly above the laity.
Secondly the church has always been very plain that the capital penalty is allowed, so a good Catholic would definitely be ok with that.
Which clearly indicates the church is not pro-life, it is anti-abortion.
If it were pro life it would speak out against death by starvation etc, but instead is a one issue body.
The abuse of children is not a by product of the church’s mission (re the comment about Nazis above) – canonical rules since the sixties have encouraged covering up child abuse by clerics.
In summary the church’s mission is abuse of children, allowing millions to starve, as long as its clergy are protected and this is covered up by a preoccupation with abortion and telling others how to live their sex life.
A child would be safer with a Nazi.

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12.30. What sort of brain produces such arrant nonsense? Really? Statements worth binning. Utterly crazy thinking.

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11.27: Magna, you get my point but because I used a word that perfectly describes your state of being 24 hours a day, you object. You are the type that gives humanity a bad name. I wouldn’t allow you take care of anyone, particularly vulnerable people and I certainly wouldn’t give you the keys of a car!! Ever. It is you, Magna, by your reckless, abusive and ugly assertions and language who have dehumanized yourself, thus stripping away your own God given dignity.

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12.39

Woe to those who call evil good…

If you will not acknowledge your sin (in your case, through wounded pride), how can you repent of it?

And how can God reconcile you to himself…and to the salvation of your immortal soul? 😞

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1.11: Magna, don’t worry about my “salvation”. Worry rather about your own. You seem hurt by my comment. Perhaps you have feelings and maybe you might realise how YOU constantly brutalize others by your ugly language!! Wake up!!

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Hopefully everyone has heard the joke about the man being given the tour of heaven by St Peter, who tells the man to be quiet when they get to a walled-off part. ‘That bit is for the catholics, and they think they’re the only ones here’.
If the abusive catholics who comment here are anything to go by (who the hell would talk to Magna Carta the way they do above 👆) I will happily be anywhere the catholics aren’t. Since they are so busy creating hells for people I would have serious doubts that any of them would be in heaven.

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Talk among some clergy today here in Scotland is ha Ab Cushley is defo for Glasgow, Bishop Hugh Gilbert will go to Edinburgh and a priest from Motherwell, Fr Jim Grant will be new bishop of Aberdeen.
There you are now!

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1.38
Some difference of opinion however agreed that + Cushley for Glasgow but +Keenan for Glasgow and +McGee back to Paisley.
Father Grant has just taking on the Guardian of Carfin Grotto.
They all want Glasgow with + Keenan desperate followed by +McGee,+ Nolan and + Robson wants Edinburgh.
+Gilbert is very happy in Aberdeen.

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Yes, Hugh is very happy in Aberdeen. We have much evidence of that. ‘Happiness with present post’, however, is not a criterion for preferment. If you would be good enough to allow some revision of your thinking, Hugh’s appointment to Glasgow will be revealed.

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All very interesting indeed. Correct on some fronts but wrong, I fear, on the Glasgow vacancy. Hugh Gilbert will be appointed to Glasgow. I think you know that and are teasing us about Cushley. Ha!

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I wonder how many priests have connived, encouraged abortion, especially of children that they have fathered ? I know it has happened. Their accounting will be great.

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Of the two options in the heading of your post, Pat, abortion can only be the lesser evil because it is done with good intentions. the homes were only intended to punish and abuse.

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Much talk about Glasgow and Scotland reshuffles, what about England and Wales.
Elsie may hang on for a couple of years.
However, Herr Stack will turn 75 this year. His pal young O’Plymouth is learning Welsh and speaks Gaelic. His other pal Seed went MIA years ago.
Poor Hopeless will soon be 77 and is still stuck in Alan Partridge land. Another Westminster auxiliary with no local connections would fit the bill. Perhaps a one-way ticket for Sherrington, who at least knows where neighbouring Leicester is.

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I know relatively little about Mark P but assume he is somewhat ambitious. He showed some conservative sympathies by backing the awful Institute at Buckfast whilst also procured an image as a liberal (ish). Did he manage much at Allan Hall – not really. I watch. Yes, Sherrigton is a reasonable bet and I imagine new feet under the Westminster desk will fit a new auxiliary. But – Stocky in the North and Nicky in Westminster are ones to watch for Wales. Both are far more solid than Mark. Nicky is surely tipped to go places. Your views would be appreciated greatly.

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Nicky for Liverpool 2024.
Sadly Bishop Pat Lynch (Southwark) has had to take early retirement.

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Oooohhhh, all sorts of titbits for munching on there ! O’Plymouth, as you call him, has been one of the anointed from the day his mother popped him out, I think. Certainly since he was spied as a youngster and sent off to the seminary. So, I guess he probably will be expecting to be lubricated in to a nice senior See. But Wales ? God forbid ! I’d say he still has his eyes on Westminster. Stacky would be a sure safe pair of hands anywhere, even Westminster, but he is ssssooooo boring ! Ssssooo serious ! Life would be an earnest affair wherever he ends up. And a bit young. Would be around for a long time. But, he most certainly is a capable and intelligent man. What’s the hint about Leicester and Sherrington. Does he have an interest there – hhhhmmmm ?! Or is he from there ? Disappoint me, and tell me it’s the latter. My money is still on Longley of Birmingham moving to Westminster. Right age. Safe. Quietly competent. Not extreme in any way. The Bruiser from Southwark is probably a bit too young for Westminster – we would be stuck with him for 25 years. Also, he needs to calm down and learn a bit of kindness and gentleness. He’s a tough man at present. The Gauleiter from Salford is still hopeful that he might be able to head south to Westminster. Jawohl ! Oh, does it really matter ? It’s increasingly an irrelevance to so many of us these days. I just like the titillating gossipy stuff around it. So exciting and diverting.

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Now, Bernie from Brum could very well be an excellent tip for Westminster. Stocky from up North would then slide into his seat. An alternative is for Nicky to go to Brum. The train service to London is good so he can see his pals often. Southwark – John is too young but he does need 2 auxiliaries. Sherrington comes from Leicester. East A would suit him. No scandal there. Ha.

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The longer Elsie hangs on, the better chance Mark has, as he will be turning 60 in two years. He is favoured by Francis and involved with Divine Renovation Ministries. He opened up Alice Hall for the fly on the wall TV series. Whatever happened to the seminarian with the baseball cap? I guess he was shown the door.
The western area auxiliary post is still vacant, since the Mighty John’s double-promotion. Supposed to be filled by one of The Two Rogers.
Sherrington was born in Leicester, no scandal.

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Divine Renovation Ministeries ? “…missionary disciples on fire for mission…” from their website. FFS ! Sounds like a load of evangelical Anglicans. On fire for Jesus ?! What a load of tosh. What does all that stuff mean ? Words. Just words. And sounding as if you are doing something. Like what ? It’s just branding in reality. Well, O’Plymouth is welcome to it, if it keeps him happy. But, the boy needs to get a life.

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I would like to thank 11:03 for his or her balanced and considered contribution.
It is very telling that the Cathbots are literally incapable of nuanced understanding of human life or even of seeing the contradiction in their own position, which 11:03 highlights perfectly. Once again I would point out that this inability to question the group’s position is one of the classic marks of a cult.
It is incredibly contradictory to say abortion and contraception are both ruled out, while simultaneously supporting the death penalty and just war theory, and also refusing to consider that their birth control policy will certainly cause deaths by starvation in our over-populated world. And then to call this pro-life is ludicrous.
When that religious body has also been criticized for allowing abuse of children amounting to torture their position is not only absurd but bears no relationship to reality.

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6.12: Preferably to be placed in a straight jacket with a permanent patch on his mouth. He is surely on a path of self destruction. Poor guy…

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1-58pm. I have heard Grant mentioned a few times in the last week for elevation to the episcopate. There is a general consensus that Cushley will go to Glasgow. ( I think Bishop John will stay here for a bit longer)
Whether Bp Gilbert wants to stay in Aberdeen or not I don’t think will matter to much. He will be obedient to the Holy See.

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Jimmy Grant has recently been on a diet. He got much publicity on Facebook whilst charting his not too successful attempt to shed pounds. A show-off, surely. Scottish bishops might have their failings but being an attention seeker is not one of them

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Lol lol. If the Scottish bishops want an attention seeker they can look to +Keenan

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He’s a pain in the arse. Was appointed Secretary to Scottish Bishop’s Conference and couldn’t hack it. He comes across as an attention seeker. Strange man but better off working in the vineyard and not running it.

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It is beyond belief an entire nation being in the thrall of these old queens for so long. Another commission may be necessary to understand it all, BpPat. +Dr Turtle could give her evidence from behind a screen, hidden from public view.

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You know, Pat, one thing is very clear today, which is that the Cathbots don’t actually believe their faith at all. I remember my RE teacher saying that child abuse by priests was because the priests had lost their fear of God, but the comments here today are something else.
Apart from the sole issue of abortion, they show no humility, no charity, are quite happy to say that another commenter is lost (which is clearly against the Catholic faith) are actually abusive about sinners rather than trying to convert them and then happily gossip about Episcopal appointments!
Wtf is wrong with these people and how is it possible to claim a religion yet have no intention of behaving in the way the religion says?

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6.12: You make good points. However, not every commenter is a cleric. As said before there are only a few clerics who are obsessed with this blog, usually in a mendacious way to fire swords at their enemies in the presbyterate. These commenters can be vicious as are the many non clerics, MC, MMM, Dalriada Dick…and a few others who make frequent contributions,being horribly nasty quite often. There are also some commenters who reply to themselves, which is weird. All of this aside, whenever serious issues are placed for discussion, the anti clerical ranters take over with the meanest of narratives, sometimes inciting hatred, childish name calling, character assassinations and mockery of clerics who try to engage meaningfully. If clerics make a worthwhile comment, they are attacked imnediately. The only way for debate to make a difference is when we all practice tolerance, respect, maturity, openness to other’s opinions and honesty. The nasty vitriol at times is frightening and dangerous. It puts many good contributors off. Pat, what can you do?

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@7:36.
Your dismissive description of religion’s critics as being vicious seems at odds with the concept of honest endeavour for truth. What’s so special about religion that it should be shielded from questioning?
I thought that “the truth will set you free.”
Or is just that your precious beliefs are under threat? ……….of honest enquiry?

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Your agenda is abundantly clear – revealed by your focussing on anti clerical ranters. You mean balanced objective commenters. Incidentally the Cathbot commenters like yourself are actually all clergy because whether or not you have been ordained, your tongues are so far up the nearest priest’s anus that you have become indistinguishable.

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Allow me to correct you. Nobody commenting on this blog is interested in gossip about episcopal appointments. The interest is in who is best suited to preferment and, therefore, men who might have the privilege of leading a diocese. Valid evidence about possible candidates is presented. Sifting and sorting of such evidence is completed and authoritative assessments are made. That, my friend, is not gossip. in part, it is a key aspect of why this blog draws valuable commentators to its pages.

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Nah. Unless you’re appointing the bishop it’s gossip and you’re sad old queens.

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This is a nice story about abortion.
My friend’s sister was told by the doctor that the baby had severe abnormalities and could not survive after birth. Would she like an abortion? She thought about it and said “No. She is happy and safe where she is and this is the only life I can offer her.” When the baby was born it died very shortly after birth held by its mother. I always think the mothers reasoning was very mature.

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That is really wonderful. The life that child had in the womb was the only life it was going to have and it was going to be safe and happy even if she would die shortly after birth. The mother is a generous saint. Such a lovely witness.

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7.42pm, there are thriving Catholic DRM parishes throughout the world, including mainland Europe, Australia, USA, Canada, Scotland and England. Fr Stephen Langridge is Pastor/PP in Richmond parish, London, and Fr James Mackay is Pastor/PP at Royal Docks, London.
DRM’s UK office is at HTB. Their biggest parish is St Benedict, Halifax, Nova Scotia. Catholic HTB. They aim to recruit one new missionary per day. They are not empty closed shops, but welcoming communities, full of life.

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I see the most recent rector of Oscott has died poor man he was only appointed last May, that must rank as the worse job in the Church

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I can’t remember the scandal there, but there was some sort of scandal I’m sure. Gay, of course, always is.

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Pat, my memory isn’t t what it used to be – but did the BBC NI do a documentary about you and your ministry years ago? Was it something like The Good Sheppard? You should see if you can find it and post it.

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Paisley Seminarian
Hi. For the umpteenth time, leave him alone. I have investigated the matter thoroughly and the Ordinary reported it to the Police and Safeguarding. No offences and no evidence of any wrong doing. He is a young man and made a few mistakes that show he is human. Leave him in seminary and allow him the time to discern his vocation. Pray for him rather than mock him.

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Jardine, as a priest of nearby Paisley, I believe you are right on most parts but I understand the arm is at home just now recovering from a spell of ill health. He is due to go to Rome this year and very much behaving himself and aware of previous mistakes .

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Jardine is full of nonsense. Evan is still up to no good and no one blinks an eye lid to it. His connections to the gay circle of priests from Glasgow, Paisley and Motherwell is very interesting

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His parish priest is one of the homos…. a shower of double standard poofters that need a kick up the arse.

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