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WESTMINSTER SHOCKER – DID VINCENT NICHOLS SHELTER BIRMINGHAM PAEDOPHILE QUIGLEY IN ARCHBISHOP’S HOUSE, WESTMINSTER AFTER THE PRIEST’S ABUSE WAS KNOWN?

ELSIE NICHOLS

The talk among Westminster clergy this weekend is that Vincent Nichols harboured the paedophile, Father Joseph Quigley in Archbishop’s House, Westminister, long after Nichols knew he was an paedophile abuser!

Archbishops House, Westminster.

This suggestion is deeply shocking – and if true requires Nichols immediate resignation.

QUIGLEY – SENTENCED FOR 11 + YEARS FOR PAEDOPHILIA

Nichols and Quigley were friends and when Nichols was in Birmingham Quigley was one of his protegee.

‘Sexual sadist’ priest locked boy in crypt and sexually touched him during six-year campaign of abuse

BY PAUL BEARD, BEN ECCLESTON COVENTRY NEWS

12:39, 5 DEC 2020UPDATED16:18, 29 JAN 2021

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Joseph Quigley, a former national education advisor for Roman Catholic schools, sexually and physically abused a boy while he was a parish priest at a church near Warwick.

The disgraced former national education advisor for Roman Catholic schools sexually and physically abused a boy while he was a parish priest in Warwickshire.

Father Joseph Quigley – described as a “sexual sadist” – rubbed the teenager’s inner thigh after making him wear gym kit, take showers with the door open, and inflicted ‘sado-masochistic’ punishments on him such as locking him in the church’s crypt.

He also beat the boy with a hurling stick during his time at St Charles Borromeo RC church in Hampton-on-the-Hill near Warwick.

The offences took place while he was the parish priest at the church from 2002 until he was forced to resign in disgrace, a jury at Warwick Crown Court heard.

Quigley, 56, now of Aston Hall, Church Lane, Stone in Staffordshire, denied four charges of sexual activity with a child, two of sexual assault, two of false imprisonment and one of cruelty.

But the jury took less than four hours to find him guilty of all nine charges by majority verdicts of 11-1.

Describing the perverted priest as “a sexual sadist and voyeur”, Judge Peter Cooke remanded him in custody while a report is prepared on him to assess the danger he poses in the future.

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THIS WEEKEND, WESTMINSTER PRIESTS ARE VERY ANGRY OVER THE NICHOKS / QUIGLEY ACCUSATIONS.

ENGLISH JOURNALIST SENDS A MESSAGE:

“Very serious is the toxic mess that continues to brew in Westminster where Cardinal Vincent Nichols is holding on to power, like grim death.

Several senior priests have had the courage to suggest that it better for the diocese and the Church in England and Wales that he go now. He tells those who broach the subject that he cannot possibly leave  Ambroseden Avenue until his nun friend Mother Wragg passes on! “The move would kill Sister Carm”, he is reported to have said.

ELSIE AND CARMEL

Truth is that he does not want to willingly give up the power that he has spent his whole life pursuing.  And yet he has been proven now on two separate occasions not to have followed the procedures of the Catholic Church in England and Wales, of which he is still the head. How can this be tolerated?

Cardinal Murphy O Connor

In retirement the old fraud “Spud O’Connor” was interviewed twice under police caution for alleged participating in child sexual abuse. This was only revealed after his death and huge ceremonial funeral attended by the good and the great of the country. While few seriously believe that he was guilty of sexual abuse, the question remains as to why was Spud not placed on Administrative Leave as soon as these allegations were received? This is the usual procedure when any allegation, however outlandish, is made (it happened in the summer with a well-known and much-loved priest in central London who was removed from his parish overnight – only to be restored to it three months later). I’m told the poor man was nearly driven to suicide. No, it seems there is one law for those at the top and in the Magic Circle and another for those unfortunate enough not to be in the inner circle of Nichols’s pets. In fact the Murphy O Connor police activity was all covered up by Nichols who did not want to embarrass the Church and his predecessor. There is also the aggravating factor that Pope Francis may well had leaned on Nichols; a more disturbing fact if proven as it would show a foreign state trying to interfere in the internal affairs of the UK.

Fr Joseph Quigley

More worryingly,  and bringing this mess right up to date, is the hitherto undisclosed fact that Fr Joseph Quigley lived with Archbishop Nichols, in his own home, as his guest, after he had returned for treatment for sexual sadism and an attraction to teenage boys. This was while Nichols was Archbishop of Westminster, and gives lie to the claim of Cardinal Nichols that he had left Birmingham before Quiqley’s crimes came to light. This scandal is well known by the priests of Birmingham and Westminster and has been the subject of much comment as to why it hasn’t been picked up by the press. Nichols was aware, and more than likely was protecting a close friend, one of his own inner circles of advisers from the Catholic Education Service. In a footnote that would be comic is it weren’t so serious Quigley was responsible for producing the Bishop’s Sex Education policies and programmes for schools, where youngsters where being encouraged to discover their sexuality from an early age! A sex offender going around schools teaching children about sex! If this does not force Nichols and his ghastly sidekick out, what will”?

130 replies on “WESTMINSTER SHOCKER – DID VINCENT NICHOLS SHELTER BIRMINGHAM PAEDOPHILE QUIGLEY IN ARCHBISHOP’S HOUSE, WESTMINSTER AFTER THE PRIEST’S ABUSE WAS KNOWN?”

Without any foundation. If anyone knows + Vin he would not allow this whatsover. You don’t know Elsie.

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Elsie is a disgrace. She should go. And send Wraggy Nun back to her convent. Both of them should be praying for the grace of a happy death in any case.
And Else in particular should be putting her soul at rights before that Terrible Accounting which will make the IICSA seem like a grilling from Ken Dodd and his tickling stick.

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This is going to get really bad for Cardinal Nicholls.
However the clerical whispers is no use on here or among themselves.
Nicholls is not going to listen and the only one that can remove him is Pope Francis via the Papal Nuncio.
nuntius@globalnet.co.uk that is where all concerns should be directed to.

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This is NOT all the dirt which is going to come out about our Elsie. There is more to come….. And it is NOT very pleasant…..
Our Elsie is intrinsically entwined with matters elsewhere….
A leapord never changes it’s spots….. And our Elsie is the Archetypal leapord….. There are no two ways about it…..
https://youtu.be/QkaLny1oEJc

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This evil institution, the RCC and its pimp-priests, are fast becoming less a laughing-stock and more and more a source of moral outrage.
How much more wrongdoing and criminality will even the half-brained Cathbots put up with before they, stupid as they are, realise that they have been, and continue to be, had by these bloated, self-satisfied agents of Satan?😈

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You and I imagine quite a few others might find these comments vile – but being vile does not make them false

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@ 10:09 am you seem to have a real edge about you, a real poison.
Tell us, are you on edge for any particular reason?
Are you from the Liverpool by any chance?
Are you ashamed of your cruel and heartless complicity?
You ought to be ashamed of yourselves. Very ashamed!
Bishop Pat, I believe your big and it’s readers had better be prepared for the breaking of the Liverpool scandal. It is disgusting just as much as it is truly frightening.
It is reminiscent of 1950’s Roman colonial Ireland. Cruelty and oppression. Including colusion on a scale that will cause even people at the top in local authority to step aside.

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10:49am
If anybody’s got an edge about anything it’s you with your continual poisonous rants. I am not from Liverpool . You should be ashamed, very ashamed of your hateful comments you should be frightened about your warped state of mind and get help. In charity I will pray for you.

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11.28

Your ‘prayers’ go nowhere, such is your typical nastiness and judgementalism (wishing people to ‘roast’ in Hell) on this blog.

A double-minded man receives nothing from the Lord. And you are nothing if not that, you utter clown.

Check out James 1: 8.

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12:54 I’m afraid your scriptural interpretation is faulty and exactly the opposite of what the scripture actually says.
It’s clear from the context that ‘double-minded’ refers to when a person prays and doesn’t believe God will hear the prayer.
The original poster gave no such indication. It was, rather, you who doubted its effectiveness.

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1.39

God does not respond to anything that does not come from HIS spirit (his life) within a person. It is why Jesus referred to the Pharisees as ‘Fools!’ and ‘hypocrites’, despite their loquacious prayers, and elaborate rituals. They thought that they were morally righteous because of things they performed. (And ‘performed’ is the appropriate word here.) They did not pray because they could not pray. And this is because they did not have God’s spirit in them. It is this spirit that prompts and animates actual prayer; all other forms are self-deluding fakes.

If you are familiar with that other poster’s comments on the blog, then you know, without having had to be told, that he does not possess God’s spirit. Anyone who habitually wishes people to ‘roast’ or to be ‘toast’ in Hell, or who wishes another to die ‘roarin’ ‘, cannot have God’s spirit, and therefore cannot actually pray. If they cannot pray, then logically, they cannot believe, except as a delusion, that God will answer their ‘prayers’.

My ‘interpretation’ of that scripture was accurate.

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With respect, 3:11, your interpretation patently contradicts the central idea of the context of 1:8, namely, that to pray and doubt your prayer will be heard is the author’s definition of what he terms double mindedness.

Simply saying your interpretation is correct when, over and against this objection it assumes the opposite sense is nonsense.

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6.13

No; on the contrary, my ‘interpretation’ confirms the truth of James. You simply misunderstood it.

If that other poster TRULY believed in the efficacy of prayer, then he would, actually, pray; however, he does not, since his spirit is not conformed to Christ’s. Therefore, regardless of what he has, or would, say in his defence, he believes neither in Christ, nor in the efficacy of sincere prayer. Just like the Pharisees.

Quite frankky (and with respect), your ‘objection’ intellectually is what I should expect from an inexperienced, and not particularly bright, seminarian.

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7:10
Just had a look at the Greek text of James. It confirms the author’s understanding that δίψυχος (Jam 1:8) ‘double minded’ is his term for praying and not believing that prayer is heard.
For the third time, the word is used to mean someone who is irresolute and who doubts the efficacy of their prayer. Looking back over this thread, the original poster whom you attacked expressed no hesitation whatsoever in the fact that his prayer would be heard.
It was you who introduced the English translation of the term, albeit fundamentally misunderstanding it yourself.
Alice in Wonderland comes to mind where she says words mean what she wishes them to mean.
Stick to whatever it is you do by day and avoid theological mines.

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Perhaps a simple answer from the Cardinals Press Secretary could clear matters up? Did Joseph Quiqley ever visit or stay at Archbishops House in the time that Vincent Nichols has been Archbishop of Westminster?

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8.27: Pat, are you able to verify beyond doubt if this actually happened? Do you know the credentials of the sourcer of information? Can you stand by this information? The story as printed certainly deserves total clarification.

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Vinnie has to go he’s an embarrassment and as bad as Spud O’connor. The last decent incumbent of Westminster was His Eminence John Carmel Cardinal Heenan.

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As someone pointed out in Nov. 2019, even the laity get infantilised. Would anyone just teach me to pray for everyone? Whilst the Pope’s hench people now get heavy with us about “intra church” affairs. For me PF’s own best moment was when he criticised the Gnostic Pelagians.

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Bishop Patrick, woke up to the Today progamme on radio 4. Larne got a mention. You are centre of the universe as I made my fix, strong coffee. Going to watch my next fix, andy marr. Have a good day. It would founder you here in Scotland, can nearly see your wee place over there on a clear day.

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Elsie is doing her nut over this blog . Some Priests have received an email with thinly covered up threats about what will happen to us if we allow any discussion about this , or answer any press questions.

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If Nichols is emailing priests with barely veiled threats concerning this blog, then he is clearly rattled. That suggests to me that it is more than just the issue of being talked about and being made fun of. It is very likely a response to something that he knows has elements of fact and truth in it. I know from my intelligence that Nichols, at least during his time in Birmingham, had a very hands on approach to his priests who found themselves in trouble, especially because of sexual abuse matters. That seems counter cultural to what we have heard of Nichols in his dealing with his priests in Westminster. In Birmingham he was very supportive of them as they went through the process. This could be because he genuinely had some pastoral concern for them, or it could have been some misguided sense of clerical loyalty to the clergy band of brothers, or it could have been a way of waving two fingers at those who had the temerity to uncover what his priests were up to. Each of those, in the circumstances, was somewhat ill-advised. Given that, I tend to think that the on-going Quigley contact sounds as though it has a grain of truth in it. Perhaps as an act of carrying out all three of those motivations. If so, then there are some serious questions to be asked about Nichols judgement in this matter. If I were advising him, I would get the facts out there asap, and get ahead of the game, difficult and problematic though that might for him at present. In the end, this sort of stuff will bring about his fall. Or preferably, and much more painlessly, I’d do a quick move over to Chiswick with Sister Wragg and settle in to retirement. Then the problem will go away for him. However, threatening people, remaining resolutely and arrogantly silent about these matters, and remaining in Ambrosden Avenue, are not going to turn out particularly well for Nichols. So, + Vincent, if you or one of your underlings is monitoring this blog, I suggest that you might think seriously about my advice.

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I can assure you that when in Birmingham, Nichols never had any concern for priests. You are talking through your hat. I can document the evidence, can you?

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Clerical Fart
Well said as you know the Cardinal and the Archdioceses has many PR advisors on high salaries. (looking after themselves)
Why not email him direct canidalnichols@rcdow.org.uk the link above needs secretary removed all emails go direct to him.
I wish more people would contact him with their thoughts as he has misled everyone. (well he thinks he has).
The Papal Nuncio is no fool so hopefully we will see an Apostolic Administrator appointed like they did in Edinburgh in Scotland

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So “Westminster Priest” copy the email and paste it anonymously here why don’t you? Bet you won’t because you can’t. There is no such email is there? You’re not a “Westminster priest” either are you?

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I don’t care Bishop Pat about what Elsie calls you in private. Good advice to ignore her. I hope in your new diocese of the Irish sea border you will come and visit us in Annan for afternoon tea. You would be made most welcome. Elsie at least referred to you as a Bishop. She’s not daft that one

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Else no more referred to Pat Buckley as the “Bishop” of the “IrishSea Border” than he did to him as the “Bishop of Upper Uranus”. An awful lot of spoofing going on here these last number of days. In all likelihood, Elsie Nichols is barely aware of this blog.

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On a more gentle note, one of the good ones in Birmingham, Canon Giles Goward RIP, is to be mourned and buried this morning in Oscott. He died aged 55. He was recently appointed Rector when his predecessor, + Oakley, moved to Northampton. Giles, in his early years of priesthood was + Nichols’ priest secretary. Giles truly was one of the good, holy, kind and yet characterful priests. He would have had his work cut out in Oscott, but I bet he would have done a wonderful job if he had been given the time.

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Don’t rush to canonise Giles. Maybe you could tell us where he did his retreats? You talk alot of skewed bullshit about Brum. Those of us have longer memories. Nichols has left us a legacy, the man formely in charge of RE Schools and the former man in charge of Oscott. They are no longer in Brummie land but their new posts will tell another story. The legacy of Nichols.

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It’s shocking to see an English cardinal harbouring an abuser in his own house if true. Either way, that cardinal must resign, no excuses.
Just wondering, was there any cardinal/s around the world harbouring an abusers in their own places in the past or now ?? It reminded me of the Vatican ‘ratlines’ where they hid and aided nazi criminals to escape to South America.

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12.22
It should have been 10.35, not 11.35. You’re confused.
You seem frightened, too. Of the truth about priests protecting their paedophile colleagues.
Are you one of these Christ-betraying moral cowards?

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Never put anything in writing Patsy to the Bishop. They keep every scrap of paper in a file as evidence.

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The most toxic individual that ever graced the English & Welsh Catholic scene was called Derek Worlock. His legacy lives on in Vincent and others. I think Ian Paisley went to Liverpool to confront him.

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He was a repressed prelate of the antique disposition and a consummate desk priest who in turn promoted other desk priests to top jobs. He was the originator of the Magic Circle of E&W episcopal appointments, a task later carried on by that fraud and abuse enabler, CMOC.

Despite never setting foot in a parish, Worlock felt entitled to be ++Westminster. He considered being made ++Liverpool to be a poor consolation prize.

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Bishop pat, when are you comimg over on the ferry to give us a retreat again? Loved the last one. You had us howling on the floor with fun. Bishop Joe is not watching the ferry anymore for your arrival.

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Speaking of a wee dram. I’m a a clergy old timer Fr. Pat. Some people were talking yesterday about the bishop giving them a cup of tea or not. I went to Cardinal O’Fiaich in Armagh and he poured me a black bush himself from the bottle. Those times are gone now.

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Pat Buckley requires the permission of the Scottish episcopate to visit their sees to talk to their clergy.

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Abd what will they do if I dont ask their permission – which I will not 😄

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So I was surprised, and I mean genuinely surprised that an ex-religious friend of mine was prosecuted for child sexual offenses. They were historic. Knowing a life in vows was not for him he had left religious life well before the allegations were made. He knew it had been a mistake for him to enter such a life, but culture and influence had placed him on the wrong track in life.
Back in the laity he lived a good life. I genuinely knew nothing about these dark secrets.
All in all he served about 3 years. Out he came, rightly marked by his horrible history. But still a human he had to start life again. He stayed some months with me secured employment and then lodgings.
I don’t know about Elsie. I don’t know about his visitors. But did Jesus not say ‘I was imprisoned and you visited me”? There is a sentence for every crime, but can people not then reform and move on, albeit with a horrible shadow?

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11.37
You have twisted the truth here to suit your agenda.
Giving shelter to someone is not quite the same as protecting serial priest-paedophile-perverts. Anyone else would think this obvious
Cromwell knew how to handle Romanists.

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2.50
Ah! Mary Tudor. A hysterical woman. Neurotic through-and-through, with a history of phantom pregnancy.
History’s lameduck Catholic monarch.

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1.32: No, you’revsovwring about 11.37 who makes very valid observations. You, sir, are thectwister of facts to support your anti clerical agenda. You are one of Pat’s little subservient puppets.

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Excellent NDF, i – you were not in power over the country’s schoolchildren, ii – not only had your friend begun to put himself on a better path some time before, but authorities of state had also been in his case before you. A senior archbishop surely had many kindly friends to help keep a case like Q. right?

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Many of us are sick of Elise -He does not give and dam about the priests. He is more interested in the Nun, and that is a story in itself.

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Good to hear someone else raise a glass to HE John Carmel, Cardinal Heenan. He was a kind and sympathetic pastor through tumultuous times. Any priest I have read about who left during that period such as Antony Kenny and the late Hubert Richards has recognized his patience and sensitivity.

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It might be the case that you could say accommodating anyone would be charity.
But –
If it someone in Elsie’s position with a priest of his former diocese and he is later shown to have not dealt with abuse properly, and combine that with the way he bullied the media…
In those circumstances it looks like he is favouring the abuser over the abuser. Which is in fact what he was doing.

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11.37: You are very kind. A True Gospel Disciple. It is precisely what JESUS expects of his followers. I share your spirit of mind and heart. It is very, very challenging to do what you have done and are doing because you place yourself in the firing line for hortible condemnation and to be lascerated and accused of being a co-abuser. I commend your courage and christian witness. What a pity others don’t think and behave similarly. Need I name anyone in particular?

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12.15: I can name someone in particular: Pat Buckley. This man preaches mercy, compassion and Gospel living in his homilies. And I know he has visited criminals of all shades in prison and helped many rehabilitate from his home in Larne. I’m certain that Pat has housed potentially dangerous pwrsons before and after prison. If he has, it’s the gospel imperative. Good. and commendable. However, when someone other than he does similarly, they are condemned as enablers or co-abuser. We can and must condemn the sin, always, but not crush the offender. Not are we, as followers of Christ, to engage in lynch mob justice. How is it OK for Pat to be “christian” for criminals, however egregious and horrible their crimes, yet a Catholic Bishop is crucified as vile and a co-abuser? I just need clarification from Pat.

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Offering pastoral assistance to a person who has previously been in ‘trouble’ and punished by the authorities is quite different from hiding a paedophile from the authorities and perverting the course of justice to protect the abuser and the institution from being caught out.

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1.19 and 12.15 the obvious differences in the stories give you your answer already. A friend of mine, a vicar, had a parishioner who had given himself up to the police. The vicar then arranged, in full cooperation with the courts, for mutual acquaintances to keep a full and kindly eye on the man until the date of trial.

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I would prefer to see a discerning approach in comments about the See of Westminster. Remember there are 3 auxiliary bishops, Bishop John Sherrington, Bishop Nicholas Hudson and Bishop Paul McAleenan. All are extraordinarily able in their different fields, blending Westminster into a fine diocese. Archbishop Vincent simply does the strategic work and, of course, fulfils his duty at the strategic level. In effect, the auxiliaries run the diocese and they do so with great courage and commitment. We should recognise this fully. My sincere plea is for commentators to desist from hurting, even slandering these auxiliary bishops. Many thanks.

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Tongue in jest springs to mind over the Westminster auxiillaries who are as usless as tits on a boar hog. Confirmation machines in canonical terms

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What is the point of the existence of Bishop Router in Armagh. The clergy here call him the spare part. He just hangs round the place

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Michael Router’s episcopal classmate might answer that question for you.
1:33

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1.01pm Sir/Madam, you obviously know little or nothing about Westminster. Your lunch break comment is misleading and wrong.

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Lol nobody who has met Elsie would give any credence to the idea of the auxiliaries running the diocese.
The man is such a control freak.
The other clear misdirection is saying he doesn’t lose it over stuff. He kind of doesn’t but that vein starts going and a cold fury takes over.
I have never believed there was anything between him and Wragg – you have to have human emotions and be able to relate to people to have an affair.

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When Vin was on the operating table having the hip op, the VG, Martin Hayes, said Vinny waked up, he wanted to know the score about the diocese and be in control. How sad is that?

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Router is a Cavan import to Armagh. Imported with the help of the former import former Cavan Cardinal. Cavan is toxic in episopal appointments. Follow the line

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I can’t help but be disappointed with the jaundiced views about the Westminster auxiliaries. Archbishop Vincent, as with so many celibates, seems to have suppressed what might have flowered within his personality. Control has become the major personality trait. And, yes, John Sherrington has a good mind but, again, his personality is not lively. Nothing at all wrong with Hudson or his colleague. Please do not criticise them without good reason.

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I agree with 12.24, bearing in mind the hypothesis at 1.41 if borne out. And not only auxiliaries and canons get their arms twisted, but the bishops of small dioceses.

A dynamic is more than a meme: a few weeks back someone admitted that lace without does not equal lace within for example. Pre-council meant something very different between Ireland, north west England, and south East England.

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Someone has sent this blog to Elsie and red hot with rage would not even describe the reaction.

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Later that same day Jesus left the house and sat beside the lake. A large crowd soon gathered around him, so he got into a boat. Then he sat there and taught as the people stood on the shore. He told many stories in the form of parables, such as this one: —
“Listen! A farmer went out to plant some seeds. As he scattered them across the ground, some seeds fell on a footpath, and the birds came and ate them. Other seeds fell on shallow soil with underlying rock. The seeds sprouted quickly because the soil was shallow. But the plants soon wilted under the hot sun, and since they didn’t have deep roots, they died.
Other seeds fell among thorns that grew up and choked out the tender plants… Still other seeds fell on fertile soil, and they produced a crop that was thirty, sixty, and even a hundred times as much as had been planted…!
Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand.”
His disciples came and asked him, “Why do you use parables when you talk to the people?”
He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven, but others are not… To those who listen to my teaching, more understanding will be given, and they will have an abundance of knowledge… But for those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken away from them… That is why I use these parables,
For they look, but they don’t really see…
They hear, but they don’t really listen or understand…
14 This fulfills the prophecy of Isaiah that says,
‘When you hear what I say,
you will not understand.
When you see what I do,
you will not comprehend…
For the hearts of these people are hardened,
and their ears cannot hear,
and they have closed their eyes—
so their eyes cannot see,
and their ears cannot hear,
and their hearts cannot understand,
and they cannot turn to me
and let me heal them…’
– Matthew 13: 1-16
. https://youtu.be/vPaqRmByXo4

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I’m writin to ask all yu holy men who do be reading this to say a prayer for my wee Timmy.
Sure the poor crater is broken hearted, and he thinkin he was going to be the Archbishop of Dublin. He doesn’t say much any more and cries at the mention of the word bishop. Sure what harm would it be doin to give him a small wee diocese down south. Gof knows he’s worked hard enough for. Sure it took laser treatment to get the brown stains off his nose and tongue, and that was painful I’d have ye know. I know he can be a pain in the arse sometimes but remember he was once a christian brother. He’s doin his best, so say a wee prayer that that nice colored man in Dublin will send off his name to the big man in Rome.

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Poor Timo – between deeply grieving for the wife and kids he never had – and the dioceses he hasn’t been offered – life’s a bummer.

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1.44: I accept your comment. I’m not quite sure of the exact and full circumstances of this story but to hide any criminal or to pervert the course of justice is unacceptable. There must be a full explanation. The scenario is a tough challenge for all Christians. Offering pastoral support to all criminals and abusers poses moral questions. Should we give “christian/moral support – as pastors – or should we avoid such people? I most certainly would not harbour or hide a criminal, but i would be obliged to offer moral and spiritusl support if asked. I have done so in the past, not a for the crime of paedophile but for other crimes. It is challenging.

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At 2:47pm et alia – Wot? Orr Else “doin ‘er nut”? “Red hot with rage”? 😄

My dear boy, even if she were, you or I would never in a zillion years know about it.

Old Else is sang froid through and through. Sphinx link inscrutable. I doubt even Her Nunnynence would see a display of Enraged Elsie – not even when they’re watching the soaps together in the evening – with a TV dinner in their laps.

Were anyone foolish enough to mention this blog or Pat Buckley to Orr Else, I wager, you would get a blank expression and she would look straight through you, as if you didn’t exist. She’s good at doing that.

Were she a bit bored, she might say, “Pat who? What’s a blog?” And as soon you opened your mouth to explain she would see someone of importance and walk off and leave you. She’s good at that too.

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Oh, we’ve all had that experience, looking through you and over your shoulder, and then scarpering off to someone who can be of more use to him. Or so he imagines at the time. Vinny will die a lonely man. Sadly. He should take some time to make some proper friends. There is very little affection or love from him at present.

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I was in Wood Green parish when Vin was auxiliary for north London. He was as cold as a fish and had that Prince Andrew style of being slightly insulting in every remark. He was as bored as fook, spent the entire time looking over people’s shoulders when he was talking to them and he left as quickly as he could.

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What about Elsie steps aside over all this trouble and heads for Chiswick, and
Father Tom Montgomery takes over as Cardinal Arch Bishop? Perhaps with
his usual few drinks inside him, he may even take the Nun on.

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@4:53pm – sorry to hear. That happened the Trolly Dolly this one time when she was doing the rounds. She was wearing her white slacks too!! You should have heard the click clacks of the stilettos as she scarpered back to the Rabbit Room. She left a trail of course and Fanny was boooollin! An unfortunate kitten was sent out with a mop and bucket.

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Whatever the rights and wrongs of Nichols, what he is like, what he has done in the past…..the fact is that he is a busted flush at this stage of his life and career, and even though he may still be sitting at the table and holding his cards, he is not going to influence very much. The Papal Nuncio and the Vatican know this and are not keeping him in post for him to do anything constructive, but simply as a holding operation until they can work out what they want to do and who their man is to do it. Nichols suits their purposes at the moment. Staying suits Nichols purposes, be it the nun, or his own ego, or some other odd notion that he has. However, he is not going to be doing anything bold, imaginative or constructive in the time he is allowed to continuing sitting on the pot. What might change the situation, at least from the Vatican’s perspective, would be an assessment that he is doing damage by being kept on. Then they would bring their deliberations forward, I think. This latest claim that he was in some way more intimately connected to Quigley as a friend / colleague / helper might be the thing that changes that assessment. We will see. Nichols himself is probably blinded at the moment by personal concerns and his over arching ego which will be telling him that he is indispensable and still has mileage in him. Nonetheless, it will not be Nichols who will be making the decisions as to how long he stays. The Vatican will be keeping a very close watch on this one. Await developments.

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She’s like MC: repetitive. I can’t imagine her saying anything she hasn’t preached to the gallery a thousand times.

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6.41: This Mary Mc is a boring person. Same themes, same narratives, same passive/aggressive aporoach to all things carholic. Sadly, she believes her own narrative to the exclusion of everyone else. I recall a her visit to a parish i worked in on two occasions. She couldn’t praise the Church, the clergy and religious sufficiently enough. Of course she loved the Catholic vote!! At the time i thought she was OTT. Now, she over embellishes her disdain or “new found” freedoms…

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7.22

The Romanists should consider themselves fortunate that hostility to their evil institution is only of the passive-aggressive type.

Where’s Cromwell when you need ‘im?😉

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Thanks for warning us to not watch UTV tomorrow night. I’d rather stick needles in my eye than watch/listen to that bombastic, self righteous trollop.

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The new Administrator of Westminster Cathedral, sent in to sort out the nonsense. . A Polish chap. He was V’s Master of Ceremonies. How is he doing? Well, I hope.

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I’ve been visiting a few parish website recently just to get a feel for things. I notice that many of their newsletters announce somewhat solemnly that ‘the Sunday Obligation has been suspended…” Do they really think we bother these days ? Haven’t we all got past the moral blackmail the Church has tried to inflict on us for all those decades ? They really need to cop on and recognise that we make up our minds for ourselves and do not need to be pressured or blackmailed by fear. It’s just another example of how those clergy really do live in another world, increasingly far removed and irrelevant to the world in which most of us inhabit.

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Absolutely. I have never used that awful phrase. I have never felt obliged to worship God. It is my free choice, born out of love. However, some priests are as thick as old shite, and wouldn’t give it a second thought shure.

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I have noticed how few priests put their name on their parish web site. To make contact is to send a form or telephone a church. The parish priest has no face, no name, no personal profile.

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@ 7.41 I wouldn’t know as I’m not fixated on checking out parish websites and stalking people’ just as most normal people aint.

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Bishop Joseph Toal would be most grateful if the blog writer could contact him with the details of the issue Confidential direct to bishoptoal@rcdom.org.uk
Carfin Cathy says:
6th Feb 2021 at 9:46 pm
Happy news tonight from the West of Scotland.
A bouncing baby boy, ( 6lbs 9ozs.) born today to Miss C**** G***** and Rev Fr ******* *******
Mammy and baby both well.
Deo Gratias.
It is all news to everyone in Motherwell Dioceses.

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I met him briefly on my last visit to Rome in March 2019. We exchanged greetings in the street outside the Vatican.

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7.45
Did he recognise you?
Or was it your pectoral cross that made him civil?

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No. There was mutual recognition and he smiled and nodded in a friendly manner.

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8.15
Well then, he’s risen in my estimation. Not a lot. But risen all the same.

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The Best was to Father Walls he was stunned and speechless at the thought of Ian or whatever his name is so shocked. 😉 🙂 🙂

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6.54: Fine and good for you. Stay free. Join the Free Presbyterian Church or the Oratory – or just MYOB – your ilk are haters.

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I have taken a drink early tonight shure. But that Elsie should get herself out and the nun, and make way for a new regime. If Frankie Chops wants to make me +Westmininster I am available. But tell him if he phones now I’m waiting for my dinner to cook.

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I imagine +Elsie will remain on her Westminster marble throne for a while yet, Bp Pat, until her successor, another great queen, is appointed.

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Bishop Buckley, You’ve a right quare lot who write on here. I sent a prayer request for my poor wee Timmy and not one has offered to pray for him. He’s heart-broken and inconsolable , all he does is cry. The cryin is partly at not gettin the big hat in Dublin and partly the pain of the laser getting the brown off his nose and tongue – poor wee soul. He dresses up at night in his room in the gowns he bought in Rome last year – he doesn’t think I know but I peep through the keyhole. My Timmy can be an arsehole but sure if they make him a bishop wouldn’t he be joinin a club of arseholes if what’s written here is half-true. So say a prayer for my wee Timmy, he’s a sad wee lad whose only ambition is to wear a mitre.

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Did the Abp keep Revs Pargeter, O’Gough and the other auxiliaries, VGs, VFs and canons out of the loop and / or what are they on the record as having advised him on the matter at the time? Was one of them in charge of diocesan schools and expected to take a responsible line in that regard?

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