The story of the conviction of Father Jerry Carey appeared on this blog on Tuesday evening March 2 nd.
Monahan met with his advisers yesterday morning, March 3rd and after the meeting the following statement was issued.
Statement of Bishop Fintan Monahan on the Conviction of Fr. Jerry Carey, Monday, 1st of March, 2021
“Fr. Jerry Carey has been a priest of the diocese of Killaloe for the past 37 years. He was convicted today, in the district court in Galway of indecent exposure in a public place. He received a one month suspended sentence.
Fr. Carey has sincerely apologised for his behaviour and deeply regrets the damage caused by his actions.
As bishop of Killaloe, I acknowledge the upset and distress caused to his parishioners, the priests and the many people to whom he ministered in the diocese.
On behalf of the diocese I wish to apologise for the hurt caused by this crime and what is highly unacceptable behaviour.
Once the incident came to light, Fr. Carey stood down from ministry and immediately engaged in a therapeutic course of assessment and counselling, which continues. Once the criminal proceedings are concluded a canonical process will follow.
If there is anyone who has been affected by any of these issues, you are encouraged to contact the diocese or relevant authorities”.
SOME QUESTIONS THAT ARISE:
1. Did Monahan hope that the story would not get out in the media in general and on this blog?
2. Had it not got out – Carey did attend the Galway’s court as a “Mr. Carey of Nenagh” – even though his only connection with Nenagh is that he has been lying low in the presbytery there – would Monahan have let the whole thing slide and slot Carey back into the clerical club quietly and slowly?
4. Why do Carey’s picture and details remain until today on the website of Colaiste Muire in Ennis – six months after his arrest for a sexual crime?
If Carey stepped aside from ministry six months ago why are both websites treating him as a current PP and chaplain ?
5. Who is paying for Carey’s ON GOING therapy and counselling – a question raised by a blog reader by enail yesterday?
6. Is Father Carey still on a full Killaloe clerical salary?
7. When and where will Father Carey’s secret canonical trial take place.
Fintan Monahan has made one move – to redesignate Carey on the diocesan website:
But if he is off the mission why is he still Co-PP?
121 replies on “FATHER JERRY CAREY – KILLALOE DIOCESE – STATEMENT OF FINTAN MONAHAN.”
Lol you know full well who’s paying for his keep and counselling! 🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑!
Time of the unsleep. Unsleep. Time of the sorrows. Nine sorrows. Each a voice, a shade, a fragment of mind, a fragment of mine, of me. Nine. Nine sorrows. Unsleep.
1 Answer = Yes
2. Answer = Yes
4 Answer = Refer to 1 & 2
5 Answer = His parishioners
6 Answer = Yes
7 Answer = Never
Lol, great response..
Your headline should read as follows Pat: “After hopes of the Jerry Carey incident flying under the radar were dashed Lugs met with his PR consultants to conduct damage limitation.”
Lol yes very good
Your blog yesterday probably prompted their response, Bp Pat. Presumably, they were hoping they could reinstate Wanda the wandwaver like the others who have dirtied their whistles, e.g., McCamley and McVeigh.
It didn’t take long for a new scandal to emerge, Bp Pat, and it is only the beginning of March. Long may it continue.
7:06, you’re so concerned that you wish scandals to continue. Idiot! 🤔🤦🏻♂️
JJ, plenty of scandals are still covered up so don’t be surprised going forward and
brace yourself for more. Covering up has to end.
Perhaps Dom Purcell is providing the wienie-wagger with therapy and counselling. He still looks pretty fit for his age.
Purcell’s strategy is to hang on and to wait until the storm blows over. However, he needs to recognise that forever and day whenever his name is mentioned in public, all people will think about is his bareback rawhide sexual proclivities, his sauna jaunts, his sexual antics within and without the monastic cloister. He will never be known for anything else. Perhaps he needs to move on too ? I’m sure he could find a job fluffing and folding towels in the Boiler House Sauna once it reopens ?!
The Purcell case is slowly making its way through Rome.
The Roman case is going nowhere.
Thats, not my information.
This priest has “engaged in a therapeutic course of assessment and counselling, which continues..” according to his bishop. I wonder where that is ? Do any correspondents know in which particular centre Fr Carey is receiving his treatment ? In times past he would have been whisked away to the USA or Canada, but I expect during this lockdown period he has had to settle for closer shores.
Will it help him ? Well, he will re-emerge at some stage, having gone through the treatment, and he will have taken to his ‘vocation’ with renewed vigour and commitment. Seemingly. From my observations of priests in his situation, this does not last long, and he will be back to his old tricks, with slightly more caution in order to avoid getting caught again. The underlying psychology will have remained unchanged, no matter how much therapy he gets. Carey has a problem that lies at the level of his psycho-sexual being, probably a frustrated sexuality, and finding himself locked in to the clerical existence finds all sorts of questionable ways of expressing his frustration, anger, and self-loathing.
The only route for Carey to become more settled, calm, peaceful and happy is for him to realise his sexuality and his immutable psycho-sexual make up and find ways of legitimately expressing that. The priesthood is not the vehicle for him to do that because it will continue to require him to sublimate himself, damagingly so. He needs to move out and on, for his own sake and for all our sakes. If he does not, and just slips back in to the life of a priest, he is only storing up more unhappiness for everybody, not least himself.
You speak the truth. Or he could join the Anglican Diocese of Chichester.
Well, at least if he did go to the Anglican Diocese of Chichester he probably could find a way of life and existence that is in synch with his psycho-sexual health and needs, and still be in ministry. Perhaps that would work. He could have a relationship, including a gay relationship, domesticity, normality etc., and that would make him much more happy and settled and less inclined to dysfunctional behaviour, and that could reflect on his ability to continue in some kind of ministry. I know lots of people make fun of the Anglican Church, especially the Anglican Church in places like the UK, Ireland, USA etc. almost as if anything goes, but I sense that they have a responsible take on things like sexuality, women, relationships etc., which seems to me to be more realistic and healthy than the Catholic Church’s take on those things which so often just appears to be condemnation, sin, denial, sublimation, coercion etc.
Not true about CofI that anything goes. A rector was replaced quite recently. His male partner lived in the parish rectory at least for some of the time.
The First thing someone needs to do is admit there is a problem not go into denial and try a cover up “Mr”.
Mr Carey implies he is just needing counselling and all will be fine. sadly not given the nature of the case.
1. No Bishop Fintan knew it would not go away however he was curtailed and still is by
2. No Bishop Fintan only knew about the “Mr” when he read it in the media and on this blog
3. There is no 3 (in case Bella think we cannot count)
4. The school was saying innocent until proven guilty and also lack of communications from
6. The Dioceses and ok Magna paid for by the Lay Faithful.
7. Yes until Canonical procedure outcome but reduced.
8. Dublin Inter diocesan Tribunal however the case could go on for years as Mr Carey has a
right of appeal to Congregation of Clergy
The listing in the dioceses has to stay until the Canonical procedure has gone through so
technically he is still a C0-PP but on sabbatical.
The speed of the Canonical procedure will be what evidence and reports the Bishop sends.
Remember Ireland’s reorganisation of dioceses so Bishop Fintan will not want left out in the cold.
In what other setting would you get ‘treatment’ for committing a crime paid for by the organizations customers? None.
Firstly, while anyone can have counselling, if you are mentally well enough to plead in court there is no psychiatric condition to be treated. If you are too mentally unwell to plead it doesn’t usually get as far as court.
Secondly out here in the real world his employers would do a disciplinary to see if his conviction affected his ability to do his job or had brought the organization into disrepute and he would often be sent off down the drive.
You clergy that moan on here make me sick, you’re pampered and molly coddled and carry on on a free meal ticket for years after committing crimes.
I imagine in most jobs, especially involving the public, the behaviour woukd be class as “gross misconduct” leading to instant dismissal.
If he was the school caretaker woukd he still be in place?
Would a school caretaker be sent for counselling or would they be expected to take responsibility for themselves?
No because it would mean contact with children.
10.03: My God, what a horrible, ugly, unkind person you are. Despite the seriousness of the act for which Fr. Carey has been judged by a civil court: despite the criminal, moral wrongness of his transgression of public decency, surely the man should be allowed to rehabilitate without this unnecessary ingoing condemnation. Psrhaps, I am just too merciful – I certainly try to practise what I preach – the gospel of Christ. We can be horribly merciless at times..Fr. Carey will forever remember his wrongful behaviour.
I remember a case where one of the caretakers in a school was imprisoned for looking at child images, afterwards the comments were made “ There was always something strange about him”, there wasn’t he worked hard and was very upbeat but obviously he seriously crossed a line when he was at home in front of a computer. A priest was convicted of historic sexual abuse of pupils and then he was excused with “Well that’s what happens because of celibacy” he was always very odd in his behaviour but it was never commented upon
The school caretaker, if convicted of the same offence, would lose his job. Definitely. In the world in which I work, a criminal conviction is taken very seriously, and this kind of conviction would definitely be incompatible with remaining in post. You wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. I don’t mind Carey’s bishop and diocese standing by him and supporting him pro tem, but it must be so that he can move on and stand on his own two feet. Never ending support, MIA support, eternal c/o Bishop’s House support is not acceptable. Even at 60 he can take responsibility for himself and carve out a new life for himself, because his old priestly life, particularly in some public ministry, has to come to an end. Harsh, I know. But it is what has to happen.
A chaplain has more personal contact with children than a caretaker!
Mr Carey should do the decent thing and resign from the Priesthood instead of hanging on.
This case will cost the Dioceses a fortune so do not think the cases that go to the Tribunal do not cost Dioceses money they do and very expensive if they have to go to Rome.
No Parish or School would take Mr Carey
He should resign now.
However the Council of priests in the Dioceses will likely back him and drag it out but the Bishop will win this cut and dry case.
Criminal conviction and bringing the Church into disrepute.
The whole idea of therapy for Roman Catholic priests is to convince the public of a lie: that these men aren’t perverts, but just poor unfortunates who happen to be ill, or stressed out. It’s a way of garnering sympathy for a man who deserves nothing but censure and condemnation for his perverted behaviour, which is usually criminal as well. It’s a con, a great, big, fat lie.
The surprising thing is that some (though increasingly fewer these days) still fall for it, but there’s one born every minute.
There are always moronic trolls like you, who have never noticed that I am the first to say that any priest guilty of perverted behaviour has to be dismissed and be dealt with by both the Civil and Ecclesiastical Authorities, Patsy can confirm. I make no excuses but censure and condemn them when they have been found guilty. unfortunately there are more and more fools like you born every day who can’t differentiate between individuals and The Church but it’s all we can expect from moronic haters like you.
You make a very interesting point!
Does Fr. need, ‘therapy’, tea and sympathy or ‘treatment’.
There is a distinction to be made between ‘therapy’ and ‘treatment’.
The latin roots of both words indicate the difference.
Very different forms of intervention-in theory and practice.
The etymology of therapy is Greek.
9.59: You haters and crucifiers make me sick…Vomit the lot of you…
Well ‘father’ try getting a job, any job, in a school and let’s see how many rejection letters you get. Your days of lording it over people are gone and it’s your own moral bankruptcy which has caused this.
What does Jerry Carey’s wanking on a public beach with children around do for you, then?
Can you imagine the disgust victims/survivors feel at covering up by bishops, priests and religious, even when victims/survivors come forward, only to be lied to, gas-lighted and re-abused. Have you any idea of having to deal with spiritual abuse, not to mention sexual abuse. Where’s the Vatican’s pastoral response to spiritual abuse following abuse by clergy?
There is none!
Father forgive them for they know not what they do. (Luke 23:34)
Treat is from the latin tractare meaning ‘to manage’ to handle, ‘to drag about’ or ‘to deal with’.
Therapy, is of course, from the Greek, therapeia meaning ‘to serve,’ ‘to wait on’ or ‘to attend’.
The medical profession first used ‘treat’ and’ treatment’ as medical terms in the
17th century particularly in the context of dealing with those in asylums from which
modern day psychiatric hospitals evolved.
The Roman Catholic Church persecuted and murdered people for centuries. Now the boot is on the other foot, and it’s priests squeal foul.
Oh but you don’t understand, it was the states and anyway Pol Pot was as bad but you’re not persecuting him.
They deserve no sympathy.
I love lockdown. It’s putting the screws on the Romanists’ cash reserves.
We should all thank God for this.
Those spandex cycling pants are very tight and revealing; have you ever seen men wear them? 🍌
I fear we have another exhibitionist on our hands, not unlike Father Sean Jones. 🍩
What do we all think?
The less Mr Sean Jones reveals of his flesh, the better for humanity.
Oh the famous Jone’s jock pic… How we laughed. King ‘little’ Puck
No longer the Church of Rome, but the Church of Perverts.
That is not true the church is Not full of perverts as it has many Good Clergy, Religious and Lay faithful.
Just we are exposing the rot with the help of Bishop Pat.
@2:25 I’ve got news for you. Clergy formation is an initiation into the clerical club and a test of whether you’ll ignore crime for pseudo spiritual reasons. Therefore what the church really has is a compromised or criminal clergy and a naive or ignorant laity.
That looks like a policeman pushing Carey up the steps. To where? Some might say to where this criminal pervert belongs… PRISON
Its actually a superintendent
Here’s the thing. Some roles in life make you a public figure. Judge, for example. This means that what would otherwise be your private life is of more interest to the public.
In the case of a clergyman or judge you have a public role of reinforcing and upholding certain values.
Still, though, nobody would be interested in either of these having a wank in their own bedroom.
In the case of Carey he himself has made his own private life public, so there’s a certain irony in people saying he should be left alone. I personally have never masturbated in public but the comments yesterday about getting off on the risk of being caught ring true.
He has not only done this to himself but this is actually his fantasy!
Correct. Carey’s fantasy is indeed getting his rocks off in public. The public, therefore, is entitled to comment on Jerry’s rocks, regardless of what the his misguided apologists/cheerleaders think.
THIS member of the public thinks that Carey is not just the latest in a very long line of Roman Catholic priest – perverts, but a common-or-garden dirty old man.
1. Did Monahan hope that the story would not get out in the media in general and on this blog?
Anybody in such a situation would hope this, but mainly for management of the emotions.
2. Had it not got out – Carey did attend the Galway’s court as a “Mr. Carey of Nenagh” – even though his only connection with Nenagh is that he has been lying low in the presbytery there – would Monahan have let the whole thing slide and slot Carey back into the clerical club quietly and slowly?
We are all equal before the law. Mr is the correct term. Nenagh is his address; it is normal in the republic for the address of convicts to be published in court reports.
3. Why do Carey’s picture and details remain until today on the website of Colaiste Muire in Ennis – six months after his arrest for a sexual crime? If Carey stepped aside from ministry six months ago why are both websites treating him as a current PP and chaplain?
Perhaps because he was suspended and retained a constitutional right to presumption of innocence until the Court determined otherwise. The people running those website would have prejudiced fair trial if they treated him as guilty before conviction.
4. Who is paying for Carey’s ON GOING therapy and counselling – a question raised by a blog reader by email yesterday?
Presumably the Church considering the church is liable for all legitimate expenses of priests. He may have made a donation. All of the above money originate with the laity. Although once in prison the State will presumably pay.
5. Is Father Carey still on a full Killaloe clerical salary?
More importantly will they donate his salary to pay for his imprisonment?
6. When and where will Father Carey’s secret canonical trial take place. Who cares. A second trial is double jeopardy. What it really is, is a disciplinary hearing between a contractor and contractee to see if the self-employed priest should remain operating under the Catholic banner.
Pat, your questions are those of a witch hunter. This man has a lot of egg on his face. A judge determined the appropriate sentence. The bible may say ‘let him without sin cast the first stone’, but that does not give licence to anybody to cast the last stone – as you appear to do here. Step back. You have highlighted the issue. It is being addressed.
There is a real possibility that if this blog had not highlighted the issue, at the direct request of a Killaloe priest, the matter would have been totally glossed over. I thought we had moved on from covering up?
You make a valid point, however exposing as you did would be more beneficial in 2 months.
Monaghan should have been given an actual chance to cover up and then been exposed for action/omission.
By exposing a priest you potentially left a bishop off the hook.
Maybe. But Monahan has a lot of hooks awaiting him.
Technically I think the priest exposed himself 🤭
Carey did indeed expose himself. And how!😅
He’s not going to prison you fool
11.23: Holy Goat: you ask legitimate questions but in accusing Pat of being a witch hunter, which he is par excellence – it’s his only raison d’etre – you are in danger if acting likewise. You correctly say that the judge (of a civil court) gave the appropriate sentence: you also quite from Jesus about “not condemning or judging and sinners not throwing stones at others”, yet your depth questions contradict your advising others. You also ask pat to “step back” – advice I believe you too should hear. Pat, of course, is never happy until a sinner – a priest particularly – is stripped bare and smashed more humiliatingly into the ground. While some, in their moral self righteousness, feel delighted at this mans downfall, I wonder why it is they rejoice so gleefully, almost to the point where they’d roll this man in muck and push him over a cliff? I just hope none of them or a family member ever have the misfortune of so ignominious a fall!! God help us…
Jesus said much the Institutional Church ignores.
Is it possible to have so little contact with the real world as you have? Your church has made millions of people’s lives misery. There’s the sexual abuse and the cover up. There’s children shamed over masturbation. There are nuns raped. There are women forced to bear multiple pregnancies because they have been hoodwinked that contraception is evil. families forced to live in poverty for the same reason. And all the time you clergy have been living it up with your double lives and you still expect people to go easy on you when people’s lives have been made a living hell. and you still expect people to go easy on a priest exposing himself?
Are you for real?
I bet when you were a child mummy went back on any punishment if you whined enough – and even if she didn’t that’s how you’re behaving now.
With the record of the church above?
He did. And the institutional Church attributes to Jesus much that he didn’t say, including the requirement for a priesthood,
Don’t be an abject gullible fool your entire life; give yourself a day off now and then.
Carey didn’t stumble: he threw himself headlong into very serious and appalling criminal trouble. He’s a dirty old man and priest-pervert who not only brought humiliation on himself, but by jerking off, ON A PUBLIC BEACH OF ALL PLACES AND IN FULL VIEW OF SAID PUBLIC, the halfwit positively invited humiliation into his lie of a life.
My concern is not that waste of space Carey, but any additional children the RCC may sneakily allow to come under the influence of such a wretched and repulsive figure.
Given Carey’s seated position when caught in flagrante delicto, it is not egg that you presume on his face.
Another presumption of yours is that this matter is canonically ‘being addressed’.
Sure it is.
Taking Carey’s details off that website would have betokened nothing beyond what his suspension did. You imagine too much. It looks much more likely that the details were left in situ to facilitate a hoped-for cover-up of Carey’s crime, especially on account of its sordid sexual nature.
Obviously not, Pat.
Anybody in such a situation would hope this, but mainly for management of the emotions, but Bishop Monahan is not just anyone. He is a Bishop in an institution with a track record of covering up throughout the world for clergy. Monahan has responsibilities to all the baptized in his diocese, not just his priests.
Might this blot his career prospects going forward?
That was the Church of the past those days are diminishing.
How far past, is the past?
Considering the most recent scandals, I doubt it.
The culture of cover up is endemic- a modus operandi- don’t cause scandal- omerta.
What is diminishing is the credibility, moral authority, trust, attendance at Mass and sacraments particularly young people but also the not so young, vocations, role of the Church in civil society, as well as finance, etc.etc,etc.
So, yes, the Church is diminishing.
Yes, the Romanists are now so passé.
Yesterday’s news, in fact.😕
No he is doing it by the book now.
“Once the criminal proceedings are concluded a canonical process will follow.”
However maybe too late.
Jock straps. Barebacking. Grindr. Poppers. Sauna. Beach. Porn. Cruising. Wanking. Underpants. Sniffing. Voyeurism. Altar sex. Drugs. Cloister sex. Layby. Cottaging. F**k and Go. We’ve seen it all on this blog, and always in relation to priests. And that’s just the gay clerical cabal. God knows what the rest are up to. Something is not right. Surely ?
Maybe the US bishops could spend their time thinking about that litany of clerical predilections rather than worrying about trying to frustrate fairness, equality and justice for all people irrespective of difference ?
Yes obviously they should, but the more it is evident that the cult is against humanity the better.
Yes, something is indeed not right.
JESUS NEVER INTENDED A PRIESTHOOD.
Their disobedience in this respect is why the Church stumbles from one Calvary to another.
Priedthood itself is the problem.
Away with it!
I quite take your point, but getting rid of priesthood would have the disadvantage that these duplicitous spongers would be let loose in the world. Since the faithful are so keen on financing these ‘holy’ men, I would suggest that the present arrangement continues but that they all be tagged to monitor where they actually are. It would also take the frisson of potential exposure out of their activities.
Any allegedly good and holy, or at least not indulging in illegal activity and actually saying their prayers, should of course have no objection to this plan.
Well in that case Polly why did you try so hard to join it. Thanks be to God they knew you’d be a big problem and said Away with you!
As usual, 3.52 is intellectually incapable of addressing grown-up issues and instead throws a tantrum.😕
Jesus clearly DID intend the priesthood. He said to pray that the Lord would send labourers into His harvest.
He choose the apostles and others and entrusted to them His work when He returned to the Father. He promised to be with His Church until the end of time.
If Magna Carta is right then Jesus did not keep His promise and everything went disastrously wrong very quickly after Pentecost. Jesus, of course, HAS kept His promise.
The Letter to the Hebrews incidentally is referring to the Old Testament priesthood which indeed has been completed and is now replaced by the priesthood of Christ.
Christ shares His priesthood with those He chooses and calls. And there is also, of course, as well as the ministerial priesthood, the priesthood of all the baptised.
This talk of ontological change. Every Christian is ontologically changed at Baptism when he/she is joined to Christ. Being ontologically changed, whether by baptism or ordination, does not guarantee the salvation of your soul and it certainly is not an excuse to behave in a superior way over anyone – the exact opposite! Ontological change is to make us more Christlike.
What Jesus did NOT intend was those corrupt and unworthy men who have inveigled their way into the priesthood. He did, however, warn us about them.
Most priests are not masturbating on beaches, having sex on Altars, etc. There are many priests doing exactly what the Lord calls them to do, to the best of their ability. I know many such good priests.
More pseudo-intellectual nonsense from someone whose judgement is perpetually clouded by anger and resentment and hence, unreliable.
The emergence of ministerial priesthood and orders is part of the organic development of Christianity, which is ongoing.
Jesus’ public ministry was short, barely more than a year if some scholars of the historical Jesus are to be believed. He couldn’t do everything in that short space of time.
But he did send the Holy Spirit to be with his church until the end of time, under whose inspiration and guidance the ministries of the churches have developed. According to the same principle, there is no reason why the Holy Spirit is not inspiring the church to ordain women – there are already married priests serving the church.
The poster has no conception of historical theology.
Conal, I sense your youth, along with your youthful naivety; you have a lot to learn.
Are you a Leaving Cert RE student or graduate? Or perhaps a junior seminarian?
‘Labourers’ does not translate as ‘Roman Catholic priests’, or even just as ‘priests’. It refers contextually to discipleship; nothing more. Anyone (male or female, young or old) can be a disciple of Christ. Any other understanding here is not an instance of biblical exegesis, but of biblical eisegesis: effectively, reading into Scripture one’s preferred understanding of it. This is something that the institutional Roman Catholic Church has been doing for a very long time, with the sole purpose of justifying its priestly elite and its priestly privilege, historically often known as ‘benefit of clergy’. It is this high-minded self-exceptionalism that lies behind the self-aggrandisement, self-promotion, and self-protection of Roman Catholic priests collectively, especially of those priests accused not only of child-sexual abuse, but even of murder.
Jesus chose The Twelve as symbolic of the twelve tribes of Israel, and therefore of the Jewish people as a whole, a deeply patriarchal society. This was his only reason for choosing them. He had to start somewhere, but he didn’t intend remaining there; nor did he, through his inclusion of women as evangelists, and by the abolition of priesthood.
According to Acts of the Apostles, the Holy Spirit inspired many more than The Twelve, (including, almost certainly, females) with one and the same mission: to do as Jesus had done on Earth. This, of course, included fulfilling his instruction at the Last Supper, to commemorate him through the sharing of bread and wine as the common food of discipleship for spiritual nourishment and for salvation. There were NO priests involved here at all.
I do know what priesthood Hebrews is referring to. But the particularity of it is unimportant. What is important is the teaching in Hebrews that no such man-made institution as Levitical priesthood could atone for humanity’s vitiated nature; this was done exclusively, and only, by Christ’s death and resurrection.
Priesthood, all priesthood, is henceforth redundant.
And your judgement is rendered extremely myopic not only by your historical ignorance, but principally by your limited intellectual ability to analyse what restricted historical data you possess.
The emergence of ministerial priesthood and orders is no more part of the organic development of ‘Christianity’ than is Hell, and then Limbo, for unbaptised adults and children: all are the products of fallible (And how!) clerical minds that, plainly speaking, got it wrong, for whatever reason.
I can see your mindset for divine ordination in this peculiarly superstitious understanding of ecclesial history: if it happened, it must be becsuse God himself ordained it. With respect, I’d expect more sophisticated reasoning from a 12-year-old.
Jesus did indeed, after his ascension, impart his spirit to guide his followers, but the Holy Spirit wasn’t going to force them to accept the divine will. History shows how often that will, and its wisdom, was rejected: I’ve already mentioned the doctrinal nonsense of Hell or Limbo for the souls of the sacramentally unbaptised, but there are many other such gaffs, for example, so-called ‘just war’, capital punishment, the slaughter of the Crusades, the sadism of the roving tribunals of the Papal Inquisition.
I have a delightful conception for historical BAD theology.
You might have added this – ‘which tells us they are pretty representative of Irish (and every other) society.’
6.53: Thank you Conal for honest, fair, balanced and cogent arguments. That MC trollope is unashamedly ignorant, hateful and off balance. Rather a dysfunctional individual as we remember him from Maynooth. Most priests are ordinary, normal human beings who try their utmost to serve faithfully the Lord Jesus, albeit with great difficulty in today’s climate and against a horrendous background of criminal abuse by colleagues, which WE all condemn and which have eroded trust in the Church. We try to carry out our ministry as well as we can. There are failures and failers: success and disappointment: light and darkness: good and bad. I suspect that the majority of priests are all too conscious of the seismic shift in cultural, historic and religious landscapes as not to take anything for granted. We keep going with a greater trust in God and build on the initiatives that are for the betterment of our parish communities.
Is that not an ‘unashamedly … hateful’ slur itself? The kind for which, in the very same sentence ironically enough, you accuse MC?
Maybe you have a deadened sense of irony, but you are certainly, though unintentionally, good at it, ‘Father’. Take a following sentence:
‘Most priests are … human beings (sic) who try their utmost to serve faithfully the Lord Jesus.’
Try harder, priest.
@ 7:42 pm
I too sensed Conals youth.
I’m aware of a matter which can only be described as very EVIL,
covered up by priests as well as bishops. Most of the priests
involved are considered good priests within the catholic community.
So to say good priests are doing exactly what the Lord calls them to do, to the best
of their ability is, quite frankly, very naive. Maybe they were ordered by their bishop to
remain silent. I don’t know. What I do know is Jesus would never condone their silence:
silence for the sake of protecting the clerical fraternity.
I also suspect pastoral responses by bishops are lead by the legal profession,
PR companies and propaganda. Pius manipulative platitudes don’t wash anymore.
Bishops and priests are not to be considered ‘victims’. They brought it on themselves.
2.02: My God, you are very familiar with the gay sub culture. Do you have contagious viruses???? You should have a serious health warning on your face..😲😲😲😲😲😲😜😜😜😜😜…
6:09 no familiarity with the gay subculture is needed – those are all things you can learn about happening among clerics and seminarians, from this blog.
2-02. Are the items and activities you mention in your piece listed as part of the curriculum or syllabus at Maynooth. Personally I think they should be contained in any promotional literature sent to prospective students so that they can see the added extra curricular activities and recreational pursuits available.
The added attraction would be that post ordination (and the accompanying ontological change) there would be no need to give up these hobbies and pastimes.
Along with a warning to pack lots of spare pants. Although perhaps in an era of openness straight seminarians should be allowed pin ups, since that is the age-old code in prison that you’re not interested in gay sex?
Can I bring the girlfriend back?
2:02 pm & 3:04pm & 3:09 pm
Something not right! An understatement, if ever.
It is totally completely and utterly absurd!
Bishop Buckley, what advice would you give +fintan? What would you do if the shoe was on the other foot ?
I’m not Bishop Buckley but I’m wondering if + Fintan went to Bishop school?
Do Bishops have policies protocols procedures canon law requirements and
civil law requirements to follow ? Are they not provided with advice from anyone?
Christina, Christina, Christina….would ya ever go away !
Bishops spend weeks on training and induction and constantly on courses.
However a lot of the admin, finance, HR is mostly done by lay people so the Bishop tries to do the job he is ordained to do the Sacramental life of the Church.
Bishops and Clergy should not be getting involved in admin, finance, building work, hall lets and so on it is shocking if they have time to do that.
By our baptism we are all disciples of the Church on the same journey so let us share the work load.
It’s official! Masturbation is an effective painkiller, according to some scientists.😊
The Romanists are, and always have been, WRONG about so-called ‘self-abuse’ (aka ‘jerking off’).
If wanking is an effective painkiller, then it is a NATURAL painkiller, and written into Natural Law. GOD’S LAW!😇
Read all about it in Pink News!👍
They’re also wrong about anal sex and homosexuality, both of which are natural.
But you can read about those in nature lol
Ah, Mary, Mary, Mary…..what has ya so contrary….is it the time of the month!
also wrong about apps like grindr or the very erotic but non-genital Instagram, and wrong about gay saunas too. If you demonize these you are demonizing the gay world. A bishop who recommended “planning an evening of masturbation” as a healthy alternative underestimates the value of human contact and human touch.
Former DUP Mayor of Newtownabbey found guilty of trying to entice a boy for sex. Well who’d have thunk it?
Arlene wont be pleased.
Indeed. But the DUP will make no excuses for this guy, no exceptions either.
Contrast this with the behaviour of the institutional Roman Catholic Church towards its paedophile/pervert priests.
Contrast it, too, with the comments in the past two days in defence of Fr. Jerry Carey, Galway’s very own (but I’m sure not alone) sex-pervert priest.
You advanced an argument why the bishop of Killaloe went public which could reflect poorly on him, is anyone was persuaded by your faulty logic.
Now, when it suits you, you advance a diametrically-opposite reason in relation to the DUP which would reflect well on them, again, if it were true, or if anyone were jejune enough to be fooled by your musings.
You are confusing me with someone else.
Cardinal Tobin of Newark New Jersey appointed to Congregation of Bishops in Rome.
Joseph Tobin and, if he is appointed to replace Marc Ouellet, Blaise Cupich will have their work cut out for them to change the composition of the U.S.C.C.B. membership.
Cardinal Tobin’s boyfriend will be delighted for him.
At least he’s not robbing supermarkets.
Also an unusual case because he told the police he did the string of robberies out of madness. Unusual to find one who admits he’s mad rather than calling everyone else mad. Another failure in formation.
He’s young and pretty. I’d say some sport will be made with him in a Brazilian prison. If he gets out, he will have an arse hole like the Mersey Tunnel.
I bought a packet of six jam filled doughnuts. I ate them all. Plus a box of French Fancies. Am I breaking Lent?
Greedy cow 🐮
Lay off this Priest. He is obviously struggling and thought he’d have a wank in his car when nobody was around, big deal. He’s clearly lonely. I’ve done that, others on here have. Please look at your own lives first before criticising others. Priests are human beings and yes, we wank too! By the sounds of it he did not mean to expose himself to anyone and thought nobody was around. He does not deserve the shit being thrown at him on here. Show compassion and sensitivity.
Agreed but he’s 60, not 20! Who knocks one off at 60? Also agree that we leave him alone now.
We need to remember that Pat has also been convicted of a crime in a court room. It does not mean he intended it. I agree. This witch hunt style of hounding people needs to end. These are real people. We all have good and bad in us. We all make mistakes. We are all redeemable. The people delighting in this are infantile and sick. These are the same people who will have blood on their hands if they push this man over the edge. I am not happy with the way people on this blog conduct themselves. They tried to push many of the Maynooth seminarians over the edge too. It’s sick. We can highlight wrongdoing without lowering ourselves to this.
Read previous blog this ex priest does not sound good above from his fellow clergy.
He will hang on and take it to Rome for an appeal maybe get paid for another year.
Irish Clergy are on a salary as the UK clergy what it is like not to have a salary an depend on donations or mass cards.
@ 8:51 pm
Jardine, thank you for your honesty.
It’s refreshing. I wish you well.
Jardine with your thoughts no wonder the Bishops of Scotland had have a hard time with the C/O or the MIA and hopefully the new Archbishop will make it a priority to get rid of the C/O and other Bishops.
Shame you were not in Edinburgh you would have loved KOB and his merry men.
There is only one place for Mr Carey laicised and if you are a priest Jardine then safeguarding Scotland would not let him in a parish or a school.
Mr Carey must have been very unlucky if this was his first time at this spot shame (Think not)
Thank you, Jardine, for a breath of honesty and humanity here.