Marmion took boys temperature rectally!
Jesuits cover up his abuse for at least 43 years.
He physically beat boys.
He got whole classes to beat one boy.
He sexually abused boys.
He raped boys.
RTE LIVELINE ON MARMION. 4.3.21
RTE LIVELINE ON MARMION. 5.3.21
The Jesuits have been in contact over many years with others who were abused by Marmion while they were young students.
They have detailed sexual abuse, as well as physical and emotional bullying by him.
“We believe that the secrecy imposed by Joseph Marmion may still be preventing some victims and survivors from accessing help and support,” said Fr Moloney.
“We are acutely aware of the pain and distress that many have had to hold and continue to hold, years after the original experience.
“This pain is held by those who were direct victims of harm and abuse, by their families and also by other students who were witnesses to this abuse and felt powerless and unable to do anything about it.
“It is a matter of profound regret to me personally and to the Society of Jesus that children were abused whilst in our care. We are truly sorry. Words are never enough.”
Fr Marmion was removed from the Belvedere staff in 1978 after the school was contacted by a number of concerned parents the previous year.
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He then spent a year on sabbatical in Paris with the Jesuit Community Saint François Xavier before bring assigned to the Gardiner Street Jesuit Community.
In 1990 he was appointed Chaplain to St. Vincent’s Private Hospital.
“We recognise that these subsequent appointments should not have been made,” said Fr Moloney.
Marmion also taught in Crescent College Limerick and Clongowes Wood College.
Fr. Moloney added: “We have in the past apologised and invited victims and survivors of abuse by members of the Society to come forward and to seek help. We do so again today.
“These efforts must always be continuous. We hope to explore with you the responses and supports that would be most useful at this time. I would like pay tribute to the man abused by Joseph Marmion who asked us take this course of action. His request, made solely out of concern for others has been an example to us all.”
All information regarding abuse is shared with An Garda Siochána, Tusla and other relevant authorities.
Marmion abused boys for decades – physical abuse, sexual abuse and rape.
The Jesuits were told about him in 1977 – 43 years ago and are only making it public now!
When he was outed in Belvedere in 1977 he was allowed to continue teaching there for a further academic year.
Then he was appointed to a Jesuit parish in Dublin.
After that, he was appointed as a public hospital chaplain.
He died without answering for his crimes.
Presumably, he is buried in the Jesuit plot in Glasnevin Dublin?
When I was dealing with the Jesuit provincial, Maloney over Paul Prior, he was as useless as tits on a bull.
Never go to a bishop, religious superior or anyone in the church about abuse.
ALWAYS GO STRAIGHT TO THE GARDA/POLICE
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Yet another of the holy priests we keep hearing about.
Your advice is dead right.
I contacted a western bishop three times in November 2019. His secretary told me he would get back to me. The secretary took my name and number. He never did. He didn’t want to hear anything.
I got the same runaround from one of Amy’s lay secretaries when I reported a priest.
Are bishops taught these tricks in the week-long course in the Vatican that all new bishops attend?
I’m sure they are.
Amy gives one of the very best episcopal runarounds going.
But she has a very BIG TRAIN coming down the track just now.
Could it topple her, Bp Pat, like KOB? I wonder.
No they are not taught any such thing at the Vatican.
Pope Francis has said repeatedly “be close to your sheep”
Sadly poor Bishops like Eamon Martin let the Church down.
So we have got to rely on Clergy, Religious and Lay Faithful informing the Papal Nuncio of the incompetent Bishops.
You know fine Pope Francis contacts people by telephone, email and tweets so give credit where it is due Eamon Martin has far too many lay staff paid for by the people of Armagh
3:37, just to be clear, you do realise that Francis doesn’t write his own tweets? He doesn’t write his own messages or telegrams – these are often signed by the secretary of state, but will likely have been written by some priest. I doubt Francis knows what Twitter even is, nor would he have any major competency in email. The man just doesn’t have the time.
Par for the course.
@ 3:37 pm
Jim S, is back on the job!
Informing any Church personnel including papal nuncios is a total waste of time.
It might not be the only BIG TRAIN coming down the Bishops’ track.
Pat, stop ridiculing others. Your reference to Fr. Maloney is unfortunate. I doubt if being ignorant is going to advance justice or healing for victims/survivors. This is a story about a monster abuser. I recall being abused as a 13/14/15 year old by a neighbour and being terrified to speak to anyone until one day I was pushed to throwing my bicycle at him and hurting him badly. Even then I said nothing but it ended my abuse, though I know it left inner scars. Abusers have a manipulative control that fills you with shame and fear. This priest certainly knew how to abuse in every way. I HOPE ALL WHO WERE ABUSED BY HIM COME FORWARD. May they find courage.
I’m very sorry to hear of your abuse by a neighbour. It is an awful betrayal of trust. I hope that you can/have moved forward as best you can in life. Of course there will always be scars and memories, but don’t allow that individual to ever consume you or occupy a space in your mind. I will remember you in my prayers
Who knew about this priests crimes and for how long ?Is covering up crime, not a crime?
“Who Hath Believed Our Report” – by Henry Purcell – Written for Queen Mary.
Sacred anthems and pieces
Is he related to Fr. Declan Marmion in Maynooth and Blessed Columba Marmion?
Blessed Columba Marmion was his great uncle.
Such a blight on the family name. Fr. Declan Marmion is also related to him.
10:20, I wonder how so?
are they a relation of Peggy Marmion, she married wan of the Sheehans from Kilgarry? I think they had a daughter that went to America and married a yank and has a big house in Boston? or is that the Marmions from Ballymacully that had loads of land and cattle?
I would say I am very very inclined to agree that you should ”Never go to a bishop, religious superior or anyone in the church about abuse”, whether that abuse is sexual, physical or psychological. I have on occasion brought issues to the attention of superiors etc – certainly nothing on the scale of sexual or physical abuse. However, I recall bringing an issue to a priest in Maynooth. He discussed my issue with at least one cleric of the faculty and with a lay staff member. I was deeply hurt by this and continue to be so to this day. That being said, my hurt pales into insignificance compared to the appalling cover ups that have taken place in the church, the horrendous sexual abuse of children and the vulnerable, and the awful revelations about Joe Marmion in recent days.
Fr Marmion made mistakes.
We’re all sinners.
We need to forgive and forget.
forgetting to pay the gas bill is a mistake, forgetting to do your homework is a mistake, dropping a cup of tea is a mistake. Drugging young boys, raping them, molesting them in theatre rooms and masturbating behind curtains, beating them, inciting others to injure them, while taking great pleasure is anything but a mistake. IT IS CONCEITED, DEPRAVED AND EVIL !
Beating them was considered the right thing to do for centuries, if not longer. Tempora mutantur.
Well said Ann. It’s difficult to understand the mentality and thought processes of individuals like Anon @ 10:24. Is it just the case that their brain functioning processes become so evidently distorted and dysfunctional by their religious beliefs?
It is appalling to know that Jesuit Superiors were aware of this despicable man and did not go to the Guards. The fact that he was moved to Gardiner Street and then as a Chaplain in St Vincent’s is incredible. It is too bad he was not brought to justice before he died. He will now be paying for his actions more severely than here, and for eternity.
After spending years studying, many priests, particularly those in leadership positions,
don’t seem to know the difference between a mistake,a sin and a crime.
Are they still on ‘supposed learning curves’.
Some have Doctorates in Philosophy, Canon Law, Moral Theology,
are Scripture Scholars, but don’t know basics. Are they fit for purpose?
Maybe its due to all the extra curricular activities.
But, in 1987, Bishops did know to take out insurance for priests re allegations
of child sexual abuse. Enough said.
@ 11.42, God forgives and forgets. Fr Marmion’s are long forgotten by him. But not the sins of those throwing stones on this blog today. May God forgive you all for your lack of mercy.
Why is that enough said at 10.22?
Don’t wind us up 10.24
I can remember as a clerical student in training a priest being brought back from the wilderness (I think his penchant was for little girls) and placed with the young students. I instinctively knew that he was a dirty old man from the conversations he started up with us. The boss of the place was an old mate of his and minimised his past wrongdoing and overlooked his behaviour around us. Of course, we couldn’t really say anything in that unequal power situation. Eventually, he said / did something and was moved on – yet again. To a parish, as I recall. But, I do reflect at how careless and naive were others in thinking that it was okay to put such a guy with young seminarians. I guess the SJs of the time were similarly careless, unthinking and lax about Marmion. Was it a question of them just not thinking it through, or were they just arrogantly dismissive of any concerns…..?
Tell us what more needs to be said?
Are you alright?
Gods capacity to forgive and forget is NOT under question.
Covering up criminal abuse and corruption by Church authorities is the issue.
Bella is right when he says that Fr. Marmion Jesuit Superiors not going to the
Guards is appalling. God will look after the dead. We need to protect the living
especially the most vulnerable in our communities.
God does not forget, He is not just Merciful He is Just and he will repay those who like Marmion who think they’ve escaped, with His Divine Justice.
Marmion, made mistakes, that’s an understatement. No we don’t need to forgive an certainly not forget, this despicable man, who as a priest and teacher had a duty of care to to the children in his charge. He physically and sexually abused them and got away with it. His Jesuit Superior’s should think shame of themselves for doing nothing despite being aware of his actions. None of them will get away with it when they are called to account at The Judgement Seat.
God has forgiven all and forgotten all. No one need fear the Judgement Seat.
fuck that shit, he stole lives from innocent kids. I hope he is screaming in hell
this will open the flood gates. There were many Diocesan boarding schools around the country. Abuse was endemic. They say Africa will produce the next wave of revelations. Were hardly half way through revelations in Ireland.
Sadly abuse is the current curse on the Church and it is only right people please come forward.
From the bottom of my heart I appeal to anyone who has suffered abuse of any kind or currently is to please speak out.
Go direct to the PSNI or the Garda do NOT go to a Bishop or Clergy straight to the Officers then it will come back to safeguarding for a response with no cover up.
Please do not put the cart before the horse so PSNI or Garda first.
Its a culture of abuse corruption and crime as well as covering up cursing the Church.
People should forgive and forget. Move on.
Not doing so betokens an unwillingness to forgive.
If we do not forgive others, will God forgive us?
Who funds safeguarding boards? Who pays the wages?
What when there is collusion between Church and State?
It’s all about money.
Does that prospect fill you with delight @ 10.25pm? It seems so. What a sad individual you are.
Have you something to fear?
Is that so?
How do you know? Are you posting from beyond the grave?
So why the parable of the final judgement sheep and goats?
Why ‘enter by the narrow gate’?
Are you committing what used to be called the sin of presumption?
Two years ago, during lent, I heard a priest tell his congregation
‘we are all going to heaven’.
Is that in the gospels? I wouldn’t know not being a scripture scholar.
No it’ not in the gospels, and that priest will be called to account for misleading his congregation. Unfortunately there are too many priest’s like that now. You should have challenged him on that remark, I would have.
So according to you, we have nothing to fear at The Judgement Seat. Well read the words of Our Divine Lord. Depart from me ye cursed into EVERLASTING FIRE prepared for the devil and his angels, Mat.25:41 and again Jesus say’s They shall be cast into a furnace of fire where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth Mat.13:12 so get real, these are the words of Our Holy Redeemer, no forgiveness their.
@8:28: You know it’s actually funny watching individuals like you quoting ancient texts to confirm your belief that you, and your like, are the superior selected few en route to heavenly bliss while the unchosen “sinners” go down to burn. Makes you feel good: eh?
Oh I don’t know anymore! its one thing after another 🙁
What? Did the archbishop threaten to hit you on the head with his crozier?
a man on Joe Duffy suggested they may have known as early as ’74. Marmion is deceased since 2000, why has it taken 21 years? Should all deceased priests who have had an allegation made against them be named in public, and potential victims be invited to come forward?
there will be lots of frightened clergy men tonight. The past will always catch up
You are right AFR @1140. I would not want to have something in my past like that and be wondering when it was going to come knocking on my door. Maybe that is poetic justice, making them feel uncomfortable and never at ease, fearing that the past might catch up with them. Especially when real justice has not yet been done. Even if it does not catch up with them in this life, even after death the truth is likely to come out and sully their reputations for ever. I would have more respect for some abuser who walked in to the police station and told them what he had done, and let them investigate. That would be more noble than sitting wondering and hoping to get away with it. Have any clergy ever done that, do you know ?
Bishop Buckley, would you not consider acting as an intermediary for victims? I would encourage victims to contact you so that you may support them and maybe establish a support group (I know you’re busy with the oratory and pastoral activities but you seem good in this area).
I have been acting as an intermediary for victims for many years. Currently, I am supporting one victim through her court case against a priest.
Jerry Carey isn’t gay. I tried to publish earlier on this but Pat didn’t allow it as it doesn’t often suit his anti-gay cleric agenda. However there are multiple faucets to this. Jerry was known for a long standing affair with a married woman in Ennis. He was also despised by many female students at the school as they thought he was overly friendly and coming on strong. A lot of the girls felt uncomfortable with him on School Tours and Leaving Cert discos. In addition to this, a gay friend told me he is a regular at Blackrock and he was surprised at Jerry being arrested at that location. Firstly as he had never seen Jerry there before. Moreover as it was during the day and he said that all the action there is after 11pm. Also there is a historical abuse allegation against Jerry made by a woman that was thrown out about 6 or 7 years ago. No one has really touched on that yet. Not sure if Pat actually knows about this….
I’ve had other comments saying he is gay and providing information to back it up.
Maby he is ambidextrous?
Who cares about Carey’s sexuality? It doesn’t matter a jot to his criminal conviction. The man’s a pervert, and a public menace.
If, as you report, there was an unease amongst pupil at the school about Carey, why was this not noticed and addressed by the staff ? They will have known, surely, about such misgivings and unease ? They probably did know that something was dodgy about him, but as ever a charismatic person backed up by clerical authority is very difficult to confront. Well, in my book, that is the job of leadership, like the Principal, and they should have addressed it. If they knew and did not do anything, then that is dereliction of duty; if they didn’t know, again that is dereliction of their duty, because they are paid to have their antennae twitching and looking around at what is happening. Just saying “I didn’t know” is not an adequate response when you are in that position of authority. In either case, I would suggest that they have questions to answer.
Muddying the water.
But tough, he’s been found guilty in a court of law.
I just wish the victims or those feeling unease are able to speak to their parents about this unease and arrange to highlight it to the Bishop.
As for Ms Pound do not waste your time now I think she maybe have the “hots” for Carey.
Hopefully the criminal conviction will help the Bishop laicise him at the tribunal however the stronger the case the Bishop presents the better so any information the better.
Even send it to Bishop pat to address it with Bishop Fintan.
Well disappointed to read this about the school safeguarding however it is never too late.
You’re saying that this Carey was known to have had a long standing affair with some married woman, more like a scrubber or a doxie. I can’t understand how nothing was done about it when as you say it was well known.
How can the SJs, who constantly talk up their woke credentials and liberation theology, justify their fee-paying schools for the rich?
@8:50: Perhaps their Divine Trinity inspires them: Money, Power, and Influence?
8;50, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY!! As my grandmother used to say, the church are all for the big shots.
An outrageous despicable appalling comment.
Shame on you,Fr.
Marmion, Carey and all the others. They are symptoms of a malaise that exists at the very core of the clerical life and culture. People like these, with their myriad problems, inadequacies, predilections and dysfunctions will continue to populate the clerical ranks and to be facilitated by a discredited clerical culture, unless and until those matters are addressed at a fundamental level. The only way priests of the future are going to be healthy, integrated and equipped for effective ministry is to ensure that the clerical culture in which they grow up, are educated and live is a healthy one, which means attending to the hobbling imposition of enforced celibacy, taking a broad, flexible and healthy attitude to sexuality, and engendering a culture of humility and service rather than a culture of arrogance, being unaccountable, and exceptionalism as currently exists. Only then will you solve the problem of people like Marmion and Carey.
You are tinkering at the edges.
Abolish priesthood and you abolish, at one stroke, the problems associated with it, like kiddie-fiddling.
Priesthood is the problem. How often must this be said before the penny drops?
Where there is priesthood, there is elitism. Where there is elitism, there is exceptionalism.
Jesus did not establish a priesthood among his followers. THEY did.
The major flaw in your position: if you take priesthood out of the equation, you discount a given fraction of the instances of the sexual abuse of children. That still leaves the other 99% carried out by non-ordained like yourself. The logic should be obvious even to someone whose reason is as perverted as yours.
10 43: This is very perverse, untrue thinking. It does not at all tally with the clinical data and research re: child abuse in the wider society, homes being the place where much abuse occurs. Sadly but all abuse by whosoever is evil. So, Magser, go to relevant documents…stop peddling lies. This does not serve justice for victims or survivors.
The glaring flaw in your post is its logical fallacy. Can you spot it?
Do you even want to? 🤔
Jesus DID establish the priesthood MagnaTroll and you can rant and rave to the contrary all you like. Sour grapes because you got the boot. And you might as well say abolish the human race to solve “kiddy fiddling”, etc. Sinful human nature is the problem – not the priesthood. Should we also abolish the teaching and medical profession? Abolish sports?
11.50, 1.43, 2.32
Not one of you addressed the fundamental historical and FACTUAL point that Jesus himself did found a priesthood. (Why let facts get in the way of a long-running ruse, eh?)
Why no such address?
Because you cannot refute this fact about Romanist priesthood; that’s why. And it frightens you.😨
Jesus did not want a priesthood. Full stop.
God knows (pun?) Jesus spent enough time on earth excoriating priests and religiosity for hypocrisy. Why in God’s name (pun again?😉) would Jesus have wanted one morally crappy institution replaced with another?
No one can argue, without now being uproariously laughed at, that Roman Catholic priesthood historically (and especially today) is anything but a joke.
A very, very sick one.😕
But Jesus did nominate and appoint apostles and community pastors (shepherds).
I totally agree with you that the subsequent development of the Roman Catholic clerical caste is a serious aberration.
But Jesus did ask at least some of his disciples to “shepherds”.
Jesus had to start somewhere with discipleship, as I pointed out the other day. But nominating messengers (apostles) and ‘community pastors’, as you put it, is a very long way from establishing a priesthood. In fact, the two bear no resemblance at all. Reading into this the origin of Romanist priesthood is eisegetical, self-serving deceptive nonsense.
As for shepherds, there is only one: Jesus himself, the ‘Good Shepherd’. Jesus may have told Simon Peter to feed sheep and lambs, but Jesus makes clear, in keeping with his self-denotation as the ‘Good Shepherd’, that these sheep and lambs are his, not Simon Peter’s: ‘Feed MY sheep; feed MY lambs.
Jesus is the shepherd. This divine primacy and hands-on guidance, as it were, is alluded to in Jesus’ self-referring as the builder of his assembly; it is not Simon Peter. Jesus does denote Simom Peter as the ‘rock’, (historically interpreted by Romanists as a doctrinal foundation), but this is qualified (in addition to having already been qualified by Christ himself) later by Paul, who makes clear that Christ is the foundation of the assembly.
The Romanists historically have tried persistently to usurp the role of Christ; consider the fruits of it. This was done through the agency of institutional priesthood, which factually, and verifiably, Jesus did not found.
I totally agree. Christ is the Good Shepard par excellence.
But he does call disciples to shepherd on his behalf.
What he does not want are shepherds whose only desire are to “fleece” his sheep in various ways.
Magna dream on the Priesthood will never disappear and with over 1.2 Billion Roman Catholics the Church that you wanted to be part of will still be around for decades yet.
On your death bed you will call for a priest.
On my death bed, I hope I will call on God.
Yes, Jesus does commission disciples to act in his name, but nowhere does he restrict this only to a certain number. And nowhere does he call them ‘priests’.
ALL disciples are mandated to do as Jesus had done. The Romanists, however, historically segregated discipleship into those with a special and higher commission (ordained disciples: priests) and those not ordained (the laity). But the ordained were not made so by God, but by men.
Jesus himself made no such segregation, because he wanted no such division and privilege among his followers. When James and John tilted at this windmill, Jesus rebuked them, and spelled out the proper attitude of discipleship: that of a servant. Hardly your typical Romanist priest these, or any other, days.
Ordained discipleship= elitism + self-exceptionalism + self-aggrandisement + notions of ontological difference. The sum of the latter is clericalism, described by Pope Francis himself (the chief priest) ironically, as a ‘cancer’.
As Christ said, a house divided against itself cannot stand. The universal wisdom of this is being attested now in the Church, at this very moment. And priesthood is its cause.
I don’t think that anyone can genuinely object to the evolutionary development of doctrine and practice in the Christian Community – once that development does not contradict the teachings and practice of Jesus and the early church community.
In the early community, there was a minimum of structure and the exercise of authority.
As the community grew the need for development was necessary and the need for the protection of genuine teaching from “heresy”.
Very early on we saw the development of presbyters and later the development of senior or elected presbyters as ” overseers” (episcopi) along with male and female deacons.
What went really wrong was the absorption of the community into the empire and the adoption of practices and offices replicating the practices and officers of the empire and army.
And then, using that illegitimate model, for the creation of a clerical hierarchy and clerical caste.
We are agreed that ‘no one can genuinely object to the evolution of doctrine and practice in the Christian community once that development does not contradict the teachings and practice of Jesus and the early church community’ (and, of course, provided this community did not, in turn, contradict Jesus either).
However, can it truly be said that Romanist priesthood coincides with the teachings and practice of Jesus, in particular since Jesus never describes himself as a priest in any way, shape, or form?
Priestliness is attributed to Jesus by the Romanists (among others), and it makes sense only as a metaphor, for Jesus was not a priest; in fact, he came to do what Levitical priesthood had tried to do, and failed to do, for many centuries: to atone for sin. A metaphor, especially such an obvious one as this, cannot even tend to justifify the existence of priesthood in the Church, much less its continuation.
If Christ was not a priest (and he was not) and if he called others to follow him in imitation, then it follows, too, that he had no expectation whatever that his followers would become such as he himself had never been: a priest.
I understand the need for division of labour in the early church as it grew, at times exponentially. The requirement for this division in an expanding community or organisation is an established principle of economics for efficient operation, and for the maximisation of production; in terms of the early church, for converts.
But my difficulty is with reserving to sectors of this division functions which Jesus clearly mandated for ALL his disciples, for example, the performing of baptism and eucharist.
When the Romanists reserved these functions to themselves alone, they created an elite on discipleship, which in turn gave us clericalism, and all its evils.
The adoption of Christianity in the fourth century as the state religion of the Roman Empire facilitated these historical anomalies, but it did not cause them, since they had long since begun.
We can’t abolish the human race, but we can abolish priesthood, especislly since Christ did not found it.
Think of its abolition as one problem source fewer.
An unnecessary differentiation and consequent multiplication of entities. Ockham’s razor par excellence.
I’d bet you wished you understood what you were talking about, ‘Father’.😩
Let’s say there was a new religious movement.
And let’s say it had very strict rules indeed, about important parts of human life, that were very difficult to live up to.
And let’s say it had a clergy who had even stricter rules – say that they never spoke.
And say this clergy were considered very holy and special.
And say you then find out this clergy is not what it seems. Some are having a good go at never speaking, at great personal and human cost.
But others are taking the piss, living it up and sneaking out to the pub.
Say some were so little concerned about not speaking the leaders actually built them soundproof rooms so that people didn’t know.
I know what we would call this NRM – a RACKET!
I think you’ll find that the Jesuit schools in Ireland are not the only ones that have some murky past histories. The Jewel in the Crown, Stonyhurst, has a very interesting history with pupil abuse, both physical and sexual. Fr Jock Earle SJ was very lucky to have his case dropped for some legal reasons (https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/6088387.probe-called-sex-case-collapses/). I think because of some pre-existing arrangement and deal with the parents which confused things, but there is probably little doubt that even someone like Earle (headmaster and provincial) had a murky past. It was endemic. Is it still ?
@1035, I think you will find that the timeline of Earle’s alleged offence(s) is strange and says something about how the Jesuits viewed these allegations in the 1980s and 1990s. Earle’s alleged offence(s) would have taken place when he was at Stonyhurst as headmaster 1963-72. It will have been during that period that the first allegations were made, but were able to be by passed by some arrangement with the parents (the revelation of which muddied the waters at his trial in the 1990s). It may well have been these allegations emerging in the 1970s that led to him ceasing to be headmast ? In spite of this being known, the allegations at least, Earle was elected provincial in the early 1980s. It was only after his time as provincial and a stint in South Africa that he was faced with a reiteration of these allegations and a trial, which collapsed as you indicate because of some legal confusion and niceties. The point being, Earle was elected provincial by the SJs in the early 1980s in spite of the fact that serious allegations had been made against him, and the SJs having engineered some agreement at the time with the parents to make it go away..At least that’s my reading of it on the evidence I have seen. If so, it really does say something odd about the SJs and their attitude to these things.
Will the Governments and Police authorities on the Island of Ireland please investigate all dioceses and religious orders on the Island.
We have had enough covering up, pious platitudes and tokenism.
11:33, they more or less have done so. All Diocesan records were examined and the bishops co-operated – that was a secular investigation. Then we had the visitation of the cardinals to the archdioceses and seminaries. Dolan said there was no evidence of homosexual activity in Maynooth. I always found his conclusion to be very odd. I mean, what kind of evidence would there have been of homosexual activity! Bottom line (pardon the pun), is that despite all the revelations of the 90’s and subsequent commissions, there are still clergy who have gone under the radar, as we have now seen with Marmion. How many more Marmion’s are out there?
The criteria to speak to the Dolan inquiry was yo either be,
A) a current seminarian, or
B) a priest.
I would imagine this ruled out most if not all sources of evidence.
Was it a case of less rather than more? How could Marmion or other clergy have gone under the radar? Was Marmion et al deliberately kept off the radar? If so, how many more were or are kept off the radar? As for Dolan, are survivors of clerical abuse in his Archdiocese not suing the Pope? Are we supposed to believe members of faculty in Maynooth never knew what was going on under their noses or knew of complaints by seminarians? Maybe a new thorough investigation is required. Or, a forum such as a
Truth and Atonement Commission established. Better still, a thorough investigation plus
a Truth and Atonement Commission. Then, candle lightening in Cathedrals might be more
genuinely honest and meaningful.
WHAT ELSE IS KEPT COVERED UP ?
the other fellow under the duvet
Was he ordained, HG?
Does it matter?
Pope Francis in Iraq.
He has some carbon footprint.
1:56 And the Church has some abuse covering up footprints.
Is aul Frank not worried about spreading the covid by having gatherings or does he not care because he personally is safe, having been vaxxed?
Like hell it matters, HG!
it is Wrong to say that the people should not report to the Bishops and SUPERIORS the bad things that the HOLY PRIESTS have done it is like saying say nothing to the HOLY GOD BLASPHEMY
If the priests were ‘Holy’ they wouldn’t have done it.
Ergo it is 2.12 that writes blasphemy.
No do not report any sexual activities to ANY Bishop straight to the Police.
If the Priest, Religious or lay staff are doing things they should not be doing then report that to the Bishop or Superior.
But never anything sexual as the club all stick together.
Carey is a small fish jerking of his car but that would have been covered up apart from this blog highlighting it.
You read the clerical club on here yesterday defending Carey and really shocked at Jardine coming to Carey’s defence.
Carey could be back if the Bishop does not have a strong case for the tribunal however the criminal offence will help sink him.
You only need to look at Glasgow priest with sex toys on the Altar now back in a plum parish after counselling.
What is your understanding of “Holy” ?
Shepherds who fleece the sheep aren’t shepherds their wolves.
Shepherds can fleece their sheep in more ways than one.
Pat, im wrecking my brains here. Whats that saying that often appears here, ”he went out to do good but did well?” it went something like that?
He worked so hard for God that he forgot the God for whom he worked
Pat don’t you normally end that with ‘did well for himself’ or have I added that myself?
No. The original is He went out to do goid, and did well. In other words, he did well rather than good 😄
Someone in the Irish Catholic is unable to recognise Westminster Cathedral
I am wondering why you wrote this comment. What on earth is its significance to the readership of this blog? Allow me to suggest that it is entirely irrelevant and, therefore, of no interest.
It’s probably a diversionary tactic to deflect from clerical abuse corruption and criminal cover up going on in the Church for yonks.
I found it interesting.
you’re of no interest, but you don’t hear us complaining
4:36, you don’t have many friends, do you 🤣
I think FR Peter Littleton is taunting this blog with a glass of champagne!https://www.stthomasabecketchurch.co.uk/
Actually, I’m the real Stalker, but I missed that ! @5:27, please disassociate yourself from the being the Littleton Stalker immediately ! Now, where was I……Oh, yes, having seen the picture, I remember I have it already in my little album. He probably thinks he looks cool. Fact is he just looks like the Littletwat he really is. Oh, how I’ve missed him lightening up my day ! Such fun to come…..!!!!
We look after our clergy !!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Looks like a well earned holiday photo.
He is hot!!
7:57 Do yer selves a favour and us all a favour and zip up yer mickies.
8:00 The world and its mother know youse look after yer clergy includin clergy child rapists.
Pope Francis is a brave man. There are new strains of Covid there for which he’s not vaccinated. The security risk is serious judging by the number of people killed there by suicide bombers in January. His journey is an act of love.
Our Blessed Lady will look after Pope Francis and the prayers of the Genuine.
God Bless Our Pope.
Great to see all the positive coverage on all the channels over Pope Francis in Iraq. His message is basically God’s mercy on all haters and all the negative feelings. How refreshing.
are you suggesting some prayers are not genuine. That God is selective in who he hears? Didn’t realise you were his spokesperson
7:58. I believe the lady you refer to has a big basket, which, like her, is invisible. She can also fly unseen, and zooms around in front of Frankie collecting bombs guns and any potential harm to Frankie. It all goes into her secret basket. She’s also organised a saintly angel to zip around mopping up any potential covid or other harmful stuff.
I only know this from the book of Revelations, actually one of the recently discovered new Revelations as interpreted by Holy Seesayers in the Vatican library department.
So don’t you worry about our Frankie.
PS There’s as much sense in this as there is in the majority of RCC biblical codology.
Is he brave enough to visit Argentina?
My words go up my thoughts remain below.
Words without thoughts never to heaven go.
Sadly many of those with pointy hats live in the land of thesis, confabulation and a QED that belongs to the land of theoretical metaphysics that leaves solidity far behind (hi) Eailing
Sorry about my wandering finger. Next sentence should be Failing this the finger would point towards an allegedly cruel shower of B’stards who put money and survival first
7:58 & 8:02
Maybe its not either or but and both within the ranks of those with Pointy hats.
Are they following orders from on high and I don’t mean God?
+Leo Cushley for Glasgow.
He’ll sort the c\o Clyde Street and ‘on sick leave’ brigade out.
So Dancer, Joe Mac, Marty Wallace will get early interviews.
When is Sweeney up before the beaks?
You have a better chance of winning the lottery than idle speculation on bishops’ nominations.
Have a look at Armagh’s finances…..
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