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VICTIMS OF JESUIT MARMION BEING INTIMIDATED INTO SILENCE !!!

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Those victims who have come forward to accuse Joseph Marmion SJ of sexually and physically abusing them are being intimidated by lay Roman Catholic organisations.

So warns Tom Doorley, the Irish journalist who has been supporting the victims/survivors and publishing their stories.

Doorley has warned these people and organisations to “back off” or he will pursue them.

And rightly so!

We all know that there are absolute bastards among the clergy and hierarchy – dirty, vicious bastards with no consciences.

And these collared bastards still have plenty of lay bastards and bastard-esses to defend them.

Its what Roman Catholicism does to the brainwashed. And the upper class and upper-middle-class ones among them are the worst – the brainwashed Catholic Garda, doctors, lawyers, judges etc –

– the Knights of Columbanus, school old boys, Opus Dei, the Neo-catechumenate, etc.

At this level, we are talking about cult and cult like behaviour and activities.

In Ireland, the Jesuits, the Dominicans, the Benedictines, the Cistercians, the Carmelites, all have their “groupies’.

And these groupies have a dark side. They are what I call “Catholic Suicide Bombers”.

97 replies on “VICTIMS OF JESUIT MARMION BEING INTIMIDATED INTO SILENCE !!!”

I don’t want to believe that this is happening, given all we now know about priests. And yet, it is.

Words almost fail me.

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This is why the truth will make you free and in this case is definitely revolting.
It’s all pretence.

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+Pat are you going to do a blog on Eamon DeValera Jr and his work with religious sisters on illegal adoptions?

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An accurate description of them, Pat
This is why the cult needs to be controlled by law – they have no morals and literally nothing matters to them except the church.

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Too many Catholics, priests and laity, worship the Church rather than the God of the Church. This idolatry is the inevitable outcome when a religious institution pitches itself theologically and morally as God’s virtual equal: as the Bride of Christ.

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No one with any moral or Christian conscience could ever try to defend the indefensible. I’d be interested to know who the lay Catholic groups are. I have followed this story very carefully every day and cannot find any group attempting to defend any abuser. It’s morally repugnant to do so. Using foul and ugly invective, as Pat has done, will not serve justice or healing for any survivor. I trust that the Jesuits will respond fully in every way that will help survivors. The stories of abuse by this monster are profoundly sad and heart breaking. The men who have spoken – now in their 50’s/60’s/70′ – brought to the surface abuse which I experienced at the hands of a neighbour for over two years from age 13-15. It is a scar for life. I really hope all survivors come forward and be supported and helped.

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11:36 pm – They have responded, that’s why they’re in the news.
It seems these victims may also have been persecuted;
I wonder whether the Police assisted… the victims, that is?

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Birkenstocks with socks ?! Please ! I think we need the Style Police to visit Portglenone and give advice.

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Anybody know why Mick Collins, the Dean of Maynooth has left suddenly and been replaced by Sean Corkery of Cloyne? Such appointments are usually made at the scheduled meetings of the episcopal conference, with an appointment starting at the end or start of the academic year. A mid-year appointment is unusual. Is something afoot or is it just a normal changeover?

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All hail ye, all hail. I fear your mind is too twisted and suspicious. There is nothing sinister about this appointment. One wished a change of job, another was asked if he wanted to work at Maynooth and the appointment was made. All hail ye. Too suspicious by far and unwarranted.

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All appointments used to be done yearly at Diocesan level and in the Seminaries sadly we do not have that privilege and changes could take place within two weeks or a month.
There has been very few changes the last year due to the pandemic however come the Summer / Autumn things will change.
Monsignor Miller new Spiritual Director of St. Mary’s Oscott will not take up position until September but was announced in January.

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That was flagged last summer. Presumably Sean C wanted a period of overlap with the outgoing man.

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They were v friendly alright.. I don’t think M Collins was all that popular, bit fiery I believe. A fair man to drink a pint or two though.

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Of course, Pat.
The culture of abuse in the Church was-is facilitated enabled and
continued with the assistance of some laity, particularly some influential laity in a variety
of professions.They included some members of the Knights of Columbanus, old school boys networks, Opus Dei, etc. Was it all for the glory of God, defense of the truth,
and the furtherance of careers, both inside and outside the Institutional Church?
Were ‘kickbacks’ of any kind received due to perceived loyalties?
Who knows!
As they say in the political realm; “we are, where we are”.

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If these ‘apologists for evil’ exist, they are the rearguard of a clerical institution in Ireland that has been routed.
Yes, they can still make casualties of the innocent, but like the forces of Hell at Calvary, they know that they are defeated, and in full flight.
This war is over… and they are the losers.

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Pat, your language is unnecessarily intemperate and does nothing to add to the validity of your message.

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I agree that my language is strong. I am incensed that victims of Marmion and being re-abused by RC lay organisations and individuals.

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Can either you or Tom Doorley, give examples of how lay Catholic orgs are “leaning on witnesses?”

I have no doubt they are but it would be good to read about who they are and what they are up to.

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Can either you or Tom Doorley, give examples of how lay Catholic orgs are “leaning on witnesses?”

I have no doubt they are but it would be good to read about who they are and what they are up to.

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It is beyond comprehension that a monster abuser like Marmion could have been allowed to reign with terror for so long. There are many question still to be answered by the Jesuits and teaching staff of that time. Ultimately the Jesuits are responsible.. Sadly, this seemed to be the pattern as we saw in Terenure College recently: cover up. I spent 4 years in board I g school and never once did I have reason to complain of any kind of abuse apart from the strict discipline but I never witnessed anything untoward. It is regrettable that some day and boarding shools were not the happiest days of our lives, especially in the late 50’s into the 60’s and 70’s and 80’s..I hope all survivors of Marmion will receive the necessary support from the Irish Jesuits. It is incredulous that one person – known as an abuser – anywhere can wreak such havoc and visit such terror on chosen, vnerable children and teenagers.

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Victims of child abuse should be given immediate police protection against intimidation, and I’m sure from certain quarters physical threats – most people wouldn’t believe the Catholic Church would be capable of intimidating witnesses but as someone who has had close and personal experience of their dark arts they are well capable of it – in this sense they are like the mafia – there is a Catholic Omertà for everyone, clergy and lay, and if you break it – they will want to silence you!! Hence the need for protection!! Oh and make no mistake their lawyers will use every dirty trick in the playbook – lie, threaten etc etc. How do I know? Why am I so sure? Got the wounds baby got the wounds and the t-shirt to show for it – but in my case I kicked their lazy fat ass and won!!

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No one whoever they are can silence anyone on the subject of this despicable man we have been commenting on him for the last few day’s and it wont go away. Unfortunately he is dead and can’t be brought to justice. However if there are still Jesuit Superiors who knew about this, and did nothing they have to answer why not. I hope the victims of this this evil man get some redress from the Jesuits. Patsy you bold boy, your language was unnecessary.

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Normally I would resist it until after lent. But today blog wow re use of language such as Catholic suicide bombers. Thought it unnecessary or gone overboard but it’s a jesuit order. They were supposed to be disbanded years ago but JPII stopped it. What as so shocking is that it took a very v v long time to come out of it cos it happened in 1980s.It leaves me wondering what hold the jesuit order had over some people. knew one Catholic cult when I saw one was opus dei in St Stephen Green back then. But the jesuit isn’t cultish as the opus dei or LOC. In my time, garda cooperated and knew, medical professionals as well, teachers afraid to spill it out cis they feared P45. such was the power of rcc that time. But in 1980s, it was starting to decline but still jesuits had some hold over some people. Is it the lay professionals easily swayed or gullible??? Yesterday blog had me thinking about money given for mass said but God isn’t swayed by money alone. Martin luther got it right re payment for indulgences.

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Proof, DG? It all depends on a definition of “evil.”
Anyone who criticises, denounces, departs or derides the RCC is always regarded as evil by those who seek to defend and praise the RCC as the ONLY vehicle of truth.
So 10:55’s comment tells us much about him/her. Don’t expect any sensible response.
Think of it more as a last desperate gasp by a drowning man before being sucked under.

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10.55

Luther got his anti-semitism from the Roman Catholic Church.

As for heresy, check out the doctrinal history of the RCC: you’ll find enough heresy here, by comparison with Jesus’ own teaching, to keep you preoccupied.

As for ‘evil’, look no further than the RCC for the rape, and moral murder, of Catholic children, and the canonical concealment of it all by the so-called ‘Successors of the Apostles’.

You, and your church, are a very black pot indeed.

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@ 10.55

‘Apostate’ and ‘heretic’ mean different things, and you are clueless about them.

Luther wasn’t an apostate.

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I understand the Nuncio for GB is now consulting with the Nuncio in Dublin on appointments in Northern Ireland. This has become standard practice.

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Dromore is suppose to be getting suppressed with half going to Armagh and other half going to Down and Connor.

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Quite right. The Nuncio to the Court of St James has diplomatic relations with the whole UK, including Ulster and not just the mainland.

The Nuncio in Dublin has diplomatic relations with the Irish Government.

Nuncios are diplomats in relation to states and not the Pope’s rep to episcopal conferences.

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Please be assured the New Papal Nuncio to the Court of St. James is not just a Papal rep.
Archbishop Claudio Gugerotti is a very talented Papal Nuncio since 2002 and is informing Archbishop Jude Okolo that he is not a lap dog to the Irish Episcopate.

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Thank you for verifying my important point. Yes, they are diplomats and therefore responsible for appointments within the political states in which they work. There is a great deal of ignorance about these matters, shown clearly in the pages of this blog. One hopes that your comment, and mine, will educate those with little knowledge of this matter of importance. How can one understand episcopal appointments if one does not have a clue about how they are considered and decisions made? Let’s hope for improved comments in the future.

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You are not quite correct on this. It is a little bit complicated.
Some years back there was an Apostolic Delegate based in London (Wimbledon) to the Bishops conferences of England and Wales and to Scotland. Scotland being a separate conference.
It was upgraded to Apostolic Nuncio (embassy) to the court of St James. It retained the bishops conference aspect. You will see on the 2 conferences that the Nuncio is an ex-officio member. He still consults on bishops appointments and reports to Rome.
Northern Ireland is the complication as it is part of the UK and therefore the Nuncio bit comes comes under the court of St James. The bishop part will come under Dublin Nuncio.
Garngad Lad

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There’s a lot of misinformation about this issue, mostly from Jim S and those following his lead.

Like the Church of Ireland, the R.C. Church in Ireland is organised on a 32-county basis. If a bishop from any part of the 32 counties of Ireland is being ordained and he wants a nuncio to be one of the three ordaining prelates, it won’t be the nuncio to the U.K.

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It’s the Dublin Nuncio who supervises the process for NI. Not the other way round. Dromore won’t be filled, if ever again, until all the fallout from Finegan has been sorted. That could take 10 years. God help poor Eamon.

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1:55

Jim S, is it yourself, the unofficial spokesman for the holy see and all that sort of stuff?

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2.47pm I am afraid you did not understand what I said. The UK Nuncio – a fine man – now influences greatly appointments in Northern Ireland. That is fact. He is the Nuncio for the UK, which includes Northern Ireland, and therefore has an important role in decisions about episcopal appointments. My information is that London and Dublin are more or less equals in this context. I trust that makes matters clear.

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The only people over whom Bishops in the RCC have any leverage these days is their own clergy and lay workers, including teachers in Catholic schools. Increasingly, however, labour law is beginning to limit their authority and power. I believe that in the UK it would now be very difficult for a diocese or a headteacher to get rid of a teacher in a Catholic school whose lifestyle, sexuality, relations, marriages etc.were called in to question, including I believe gays who enter in to civil partnerships. Their cases would have to be very finely drawn, and there would be incredible kickback. Even in the USA some Jesuit schools have refused to accede to a local bishop’s insistence that staff members who are in same sex partnerships / marriages should be sacked. Increasingly, and rightly so, the Church will have to respect labour laws and rights in our countries. After all, why should we take lessons on what is right and what is wrong from an institution that has itself been shown to be corrupt, sinful, duplicitous, untruthful and criminal ? As for clergy, well, yes, they still come under the sway of the bishop given the feudal relationship and patronage that they have with him. That is their choice, it seems to me, and if they wanted to they could move on and out and do something else. They don’t want to, though, because even in their enchained situation they know that they have a comfortable life. I’m alright, Jack !

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12.59pm.

Did Google on him. He’s anti semite but not a heretic nor an apostate nor was he evil. He married ex cisterican nun and raised a family. Interesting bit in his views re celibacy causing lot problems in rcc as that was in 1500 A. D

Link :https://www.christianitytoday.com/history/people/theologians/martin-luther.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/martin-luthers-daring-revolution-the-reformation-500-years-on/a-41084136.

I better stop now until after lent.

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1:26pm

Of course he was an apostate and a heretic, he was a priest who left The Church and taught his own heretical views. You don’t seem to know the meaning of Apostacy or Heresy.

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How dare you imply that Deaf guy is thick. I find him insightful. Mind you I fell on my head as a child and have cognitive issues.

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1.40

Your lack of intelligence, as well as education, is showing.

An apostate is one who gives up his religious beliefs; Luther did no such thing. Therefore he was not an apostate, you utter fool.

Until his death, Luther maintained his belief in the essentials of his faith, like Jesus’ divinity and the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.

Go get yourself an education.

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Carta at 5:20
If you knew a modicum of Greek you’d know an apostate (apo stasis) is a standing outside (of a given circumscription). From a Catholic perspective anyone who does that is simply apostasising. One can just as easily slip in again, unnoticed, as it were.

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8.02

I know more Greek than you have forgotten.

Yes, one who stands outside (a set of beliefs, etc) IN THEIR ENTIRETY.

Luther did not ENTIRELY reject his religious beliefs; THEREFORE he did NOT apostasise, you uneducated bimbo.

It is why he is offcially, and correctly (from a Roman Catholic perspective), known as a ‘heretic’.

I swear that the standard of intelligence and education of some commentors here would make even God roll his eyes in eternal exasperation.

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9.49
“I know more Greek than you have forgotten”
I believe you’ll find the expression is: “I’ve forgotton more Greek than you’ll ever know.”
Hahahahaha!

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9.49
You’ll also find that apo stasis is normally done with one’s feet.
In fact, to be precise apo stasis literally means to stand away from, i.e. stand at a distance.
Now it impossible to partially stand away from something. In other words, your attempt to introduce an element of degree of apostasy would be just as ludicrous.
You need to retrace your steps and go back over the Pons asinorum.

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What do you think of Meghan and the firm? The firm sounds like the Vatican. I don’t think the firm is the family but rather the secretaries and advisors that make up the ‘firm’. They sound like the Vatican

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Every establishment is primarily self-protecting and will go to any lengths to protect itself and put anything and anyone that threatens it into a great big mincer.

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1:55

Brian,sorry for your trouble, you being a head banger,
with the cognitive difficulties it presents.
I find Deaf Guys contributions to the blog very interesting,
refreshingly honest while based on life experience.

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Pb: Your repetitious limited comments mirror your choice of pseudonym. They “go down” like the proverbial “lead balloon!”

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How now brown cow. I do just try to be a good supporter from the sidelines, obviously not like yourself, you being a personage of distinctionsays:

@3:10

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2:16 pm

Sounds to me like Bella is a good man who finds it very hard to understand
how the Holy Mother Church personnel can be involved in hiding so much evil.
He is not alone.

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Bella? A good man?

Have you read this hypocrite’s posts? He wishes people to ‘die roarin’ (to die in agony), and/or to become ‘toast’ when they do (burn in Hell forever).

Bella is a fool, and a liar.

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5:26 pm
Ah, now, don’t be so harsh on Bella. Even God loves the Bellas’ of this world.
He’s still stuck somewhere between The Council of Trent and Cardinal Ottavani of
The Holy Memory. Thats reflected in his posts. The hell fire brimstone and lace brigade.
He’s simply playing catch up, like so many others. Sure, we’re all Gods children.

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5:45pm
I wont be playing catch up with the denim,polyester or Fr.’s Tom,Dick and Harry Brigade, you can keep them. I and many others don’t need to thanks to Summorum Pontificum. Deo Gratias

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With reference to the comment about police protection for complainants of child abuse unfortunately that is unlikely to happen in a time of reduced resources for police.
Additionally the experience of dealing with the police is always traumatic for any sexual crime. The police additionally tend to be perceived as uninterested in child abuse by complainants. The reason is self evident – it is usual for complaints to come decades after the event so that the chances of a conviction are very small. Police unfortunately live in the same world of targets and cuts as the rest of us and I do have some sympathy for them dealing with this.

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5:28 Are Police authorities not statutorily legally obliged to investigate ALL crime including threats intimidation and harassment ?

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7:35 pm
So Bella, following Vatican 2 and the ordinations of the
Fr’s. Tom Dick and Harry brigade problems arose?
Is that what you think?

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4:36 pm
You seem to want to split half a hair, adding nothing of importance or real interest to the point I and others have made.

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What is the relevance of this preoccupation with Papal Nuncios jurisdiction in the context
of the Fr. Marimon topic? Do people not yet know the role function and jurisdiction of Papal Nuncios?

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5.58pm

The relevance is that this subject runs a thread through the whole life of the church, its discipline and its approach to error. The need is to understand the formal and informal structures and processes that guide appointments. There is, I fear, great ignorance about this crucial matter. To understand its complexities is to elevate oneself to an insight that exceeds the usual misinformation and ignorance one can find on many blogs.

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6.50pm

Frankly, I am amazed you ask such a question. The Nuncio appoints and his work seals the boundaries of truth and error. That should be crystal clear to anybody in the least familiar with the structures of the RCC. I trust you can now reflect on your question.

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The nuncio most emphatically does NOT appoint. The Congregation for Bishops makes the selection of the rank order of a terna. The Prefect of the congregation meets the Pope every Saturday morning who makes the final choice. If the diocese is in mission territory the terna is ordered by the Congregation for the Evangelisation of Peoples, whose Prefect meets the Pope every Friday morning.

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7:23 pm
I’m reflecting on your sidestepping to answer my question.
What errors are you referring to?
Today’s topic is the Fr. Marmion case, and the alleged attempts of intimidation to
silence victims. Yet, Papal Nuncios consultations seem to preoccupy a number of
today’s contributors.
Again, in the context of the developing Fr. Marimon case, what errors are you referring to?

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Of course the Nuncio does not appoint. Thank you but we all know that. I was speaking metaphorically. No name is put to the Congregation with the Nuncio’s blessing and advocacy. It is fact. You don’t get anywhere near a recommendation from the Congregation and the Pontiff if the Nuncio does not act first. That clear-up that point.
Error – read the above and, if you stretch your understanding of how theme relates to theme you will find the link between episcopal and Head of Religious Order appointments and error. The errors of the past have led directly to the reported mishandling of Mannion’s case. I trust you now understand.

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@ 8:26 pm
I’ll tackle this from a completely new different directional theme:
Does the Holy Father Pope Francis, know of the Fr. Joseph Marmion SJ case, and
the alleged intimidation to silence victims?
If not, why not considering the litany of errors in handling abuse cases in Ireland.

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8.50

Do you really (I mean ‘REALLY’) think he’d give the proverbial if handed that piece of information, even on on gilded paper? I suppose he’d care as much as he did, and act as swiftly as he did, when handed information about the sexual abuse of kids in Chile, and its deliberate concealment, by one of his very own ‘Princes of the Church’, Sean Cardinal O’Malley.

Do you remember what action Papa Francesco took here?

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9.39
You don’t like Francis.
You don’t like Sean O’Malley.
You are scraping the bottom of the barrel to find some mud.
You’ll find plenty in your own life.

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9.54

People are what they willingly and habitually do.

Papa Francesco has done some pretty shitty things to those sexually abused by his beloved priests, not just in Chile, but in his old stamping ground, Argentina.

Don’t you ever wonder why Francis has never set footb n Argentina since becoming pope?

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If any intimidation, harassment, threats, as well as INTERFERENCE
continues in my life, or if any person involved in either historic or recent
cases of abuse in the Rcc on the Island of Ireland is HARMED,
NEVER let it be said the ‘POWERS THAT BE’ in the Rcc on the Island
of Ireland or The Vatican State were unaware of what was happening.
My evidence includes;
copies of emails dating back from 2010 to winter 2020-official
correspondence- unofficial correspondence- Police contact-
copies of social media contact-copies of phone bills- a very small number
of individuals in the Rcc who are aware of my case-a very small number
of individuals outside the Rcc who are aware of my case including a highly
esteemed professional –a detailed account outlining events, names, dates,
locations, those involved, those told, subsequent consequences- etc,etc,etc…
Bishop Buckley has mentioned on his blog, it is only when Bishops/Bishop
Emeriti are answerable in court, and, if found guilty of a criminal offence
and imprisoned, the culture of corruption abuse and cover up might change
in the Rcc on the Island of Ireland.
I agree with Bishop Buckley.

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