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VATICAN RESTRICTS USE OF LATIN EXTRAORDINARY FORM MASS IN ST PETERS, ROME.

The Vatican’s Secretariat of State has issued an instruction regarding the celebration of Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica, suppressing Masses said by a priest by himself, and restricting the celebration of the extraordinary form of Mass in the Latin rite to one altar in the crypt of the basilica.

The instruction comes from the First Section of the Secretariat of State, which deals with the general affairs of the church and is headed by Venezuelan-born Archbishop Peña Parra. He is the third-highest ranking official in the Roman Curia and is known as the “substitute” (or chief of staff).

The instruction, dated March 12, is addressed to three separate bodies. The first is the “extraordinary commissioner of the Fabric of St Peter’s,” meaning the person the pope has appointed to oversee the administration and upkeep of the basilica.

Last June, the pope appointed Archbishop Mario Giordana as extraordinary commissioner; his role is to bring clarity to the administration of the Fabric and update its statutes.The second is the “canons of the Vatican Chapter” and the third is the “service for the liturgical celebrations of the basilica.”

The new Vatican instruction strictly limits the celebration of the extraordinary form of the Latin rite in the basilica, making clear that its usage is not intended to be the norm.

The Lenten season “invites us to return to the Lord with all our heart by giving greater centrality to listening to the Word of God and to the Eucharistic celebration,” reads the beginning of the instruction. “In this sense, wishing to ensure that the holy Masses in the Basilica of St. Peter’s are conducted in a climate of recollection and liturgical decorum, from now henceforth the following has been laid down.”

The instruction makes five specific points without explanation for them, but their aim appears clear: to ensure that there is order in the celebration of the Mass in St Peter’s basilica, and that Masses are celebrated in accordance with the norms and spirit of the liturgical renewal of the Second Vatican Council. It strictly limits the celebration of the extraordinary form of the Latin rite in the basilica, making clear that its usage is not intended to be the norm.

An informed source told America that every morning, priests (many of them working in the Roman Curia) celebrate Mass at side altars of the basilica, frequently by themselves and often in the extraordinary form. The aim of the instruction’s first point is to end this practice of “lone” celebrations.

Every morning, priests (many of them working in the Roman Curia) celebrate Mass at side altars of the basilica, frequently by themselves and often in the extraordinary form.

The second point of the instruction stipulates that “the priests and the faithful who go daily to the basilica for holy Mass should have the possibility to participate in the following celebrations,” listing the time and place of various Masses: at 7.00 a.m. at the Chapel of the Choir; at 7.30 a.m. at the Altar of the Chair; at 8.00 a.m. at the Chapel of the Choir; and at 9.00 a.m. at the Altar of the Chair.

The times of other Masses remain unchanged. It says that “on the occasion of the memory of a saint, whose remains are kept in the basilica, one of the holy Masses can be celebrated at the corresponding altar.” It adds, however, that “on Sundays and on solemnities, the opportunity of celebrating Masses at these times will be evaluated.” This last point presumably refers to the fact that the pope will often celebrate in the basilica on Sundays or solemnities.

PAT SAYS

As a devoted Vatican 11 man I am happy to see Francis and the Vatican taking a step against the Latin Mass brigade.

I did not like it when Benedict permitted priests to say the Old Latin Mass regardless of the bishop’s wishes.

Since Vatican 11 the Vernacular Mass is the normative Mass for Catholics.

It is also the Mass that best expresses the theology and ecclesiology of Vatican 11.

The Old Latin Mass is one that very much panders to mega clericalism and right-wing Catholicism.

It has become the rallying tool of the right wingers.

It is based on  pre Vatican 11 theology – a theology that was quite rightly revised by the Fathers of Vatican 11.

At the Last Supper and on the Cross Christ did not have his back to the people and did not speak a language no one understood.

The Old Latin Mass proclaims a theology of Medievalism while the Vernacular Mass proclaims a theology of encounter with the modern world – bringing God to the modern world.

Maybe there needs to be a modern schism or reformation and allow the Medievalists to go off and form their own church?

An Obituary printed in the Times…..Absolutely Brilliant!! 👌👌

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:

  • Knowing when to come in out of the rain;
  • Why the early bird gets the worm;
  • Life isn’t always fair;
  • And maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don’t spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn’t defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death,
-by his parents, Truth and Trust,
-by his wife, Discretion,
-by his daughter, Responsibility,
-and by his son, Reason.

He is survived by his 5 stepbrothers;

  • I Know My Rights
  • I Want It Now
  • Someone Else Is To Blame
  • I’m A Victim
  • Pay me for Doing Nothing

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.

If you still remember him, pass this on. If not, join the majority and do nothing.

PATS HOMILY. MOTHERS DAY.

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161 replies on “VATICAN RESTRICTS USE OF LATIN EXTRAORDINARY FORM MASS IN ST PETERS, ROME.”

The rot started with Vat II, happy clappy shite. Vocations fell off a cliff. The old ways are best!

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The old ways are best? Then go back to the Jewish rite of Passover, because that’s what the Last Supper was, the first and only Mass.

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Book and articles have been written on the question of whether the Last Supper was a Passover meal since the Synoptics have a different timeframe for the events of that week from the fourth gospel. And MC, oblivious to that scholarship pronounces his tuppence halfpenny’s worth.

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10.38
Forget about so-called scholarship for a moment and use your common sense. The symbolism of Passover was the perfect, and only, Jewish didactic context for the momentous events that were to unfold.
Of course the Last Supper was the Passover Seder feast: Passover and Eucharist are primarily both meals and both are about deliverance. The natural configuration of the two is obvious to any one but a fool; but then, they say there’s one born a minute.

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11.01
That’s the problem. You want to forget scholarship. Period. Perhaps you believe in an inversion of the ontological character of orders which allows those conferred therewith to bypass academic qualification to make a judgement.
Ordination doesn’t

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12.19

Jesus was a Jew. The Apostles were Jews. They were all Jews.

You’re not the brightest.

The Last Supper was indeed the first Mass, and it anticipated the sacrifice of Calvary, otherwise Jesus could not have said: ‘This is my body’ ; ‘This is my blood’.

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12.24
Who mentioned bypassing scholarship? REAL scholarship?
I said ‘so-called’ ” scholarship ” ‘.

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Pat, I thought you said that you would allow the Oratory to be used for the Mass of Ages if there was a request for it. It seems that you are more tolerant of the Traditional Mass than the pachamama-worshipping abuse enabler in Rome.

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The Vatican should start cleaning up its own act such as getting rid of their drug fueled gay orgy brigade. None of whom are into lace,in fact exactly the opposite. They were caught in a Police raid in of all places The C.D.F.building once The Holy Office. No word of the dreadful Cardinal Coccopalmerio and his notorious secretary. They would rather try to suppress the the Tridentine Liturgy, which will never be suppressed no matter what they try.

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Of course not, Bella is selective as usual. The Australian commission found the worst abuse it came across was in the 1940s and 1950s.
The causes of the abuse and other crises in the church can only have appeared well before they appeared as crises. Even if you take Vatican 2 as a rupture it is inconceivable that the causes weren’t already rumbling under the surface. Bella would probably reference the modernist crisis but again you have to have things happening already to cause a crisis!

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VENI, Creator Spiritus,
mentes tuorum visita,
imple superna gratia
quae tu creasti pectora. COME, Holy Spirit, Creator blest,
and in our souls take up Thy rest;
come with Thy grace and heavenly aid
to fill the hearts which Thou hast made.
Qui diceris Paraclitus,
altissimi donum Dei,
fons vivus, ignis, caritas,
et spiritalis unctio. O comforter, to Thee we cry,
O heavenly gift of God Most High,
O fount of life and fire of love,
and sweet anointing from above.
Tu, septiformis munere,
digitus paternae dexterae,
Tu rite promissum Patris,
sermone ditans guttura. Thou in Thy sevenfold gifts are known;
Thou, finger of God’s hand we own;
Thou, promise of the Father, Thou
Who dost the tongue with power imbue.

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Bela, am I correct in thinking Cardinal Ottivani died in 1979? How far back does Holy Memory go? ( Just wonderin,like) 😏

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8:15am
Yes you are right this wonderful Prelate of Blessed Memory died in 1979. He had already stated in 1965 I hope God permits me to die before this Council closes, thus I may still die a Catholic, how right he was. Requiem aeternam dona eis,Domine; et lux perpetua luceat eis.

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So God kept him alive to prove him wrong about the Council? Yes, I think that’s it.

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Just listening to Sunday Worship on BBC Radio 4 as I cook my Sunday eggs and bacon. What a load of old saccharine shite. Made none the better by the folksy, homesy NI tones of the earnest Protestants who are delivering it. And yet you know, once you scratch the surface you will find bigotry and hatred jus below skin level. Why did God give those people such a beautiful country ? Oh, well, I feel so much better having got rid of that stream of consciousness before I sit down to my breakfast. Now, coffee or tea ? Such are the existential questions that punctuate my life these days. Oh bliss ! Never mind – I don’t care about how long they can spin out the parable of the water in to wine, and boy, can they flog that one to death….

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Thank God Vatican Two taught us Roman Catholics Faith, Hope and Love and the Greatest is LOVE.
Sadly the Latin Brigade cannot show LOVE.

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10:59 am
Bella, I’m concerned for your capacity to remember, even to answer my question.
How long is ‘quite a long time’ relating to Holy Memory?

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Ah; the latin, lace, frills… and….thrills brigade.
Let’s all charge, back to the future, for more of the same…
if you get my drift!
Ciao, bambino.

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Great decision and about time. Archbishop Roche was also influential in making this decision. He has no time for the prancing around lace brigade. When he gets to Westminster the lace queens and ex Anglican mincing brigade will be in for shock. Roche is also not happy about the younger clergy and the amount of newly ordained who worship tat and lace rather than God. This standing with your back to people is not within the spirit of Vatican II and must be got rid off.

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Says who? No one is ever too old you plonker! Do you sit on the Congregation for Bishops? No, I thought not.

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Arthur Roche is 71 as you say however Pope Francis will appoint Cardinals and Curia in the mid 60’s so they can carry on his legacy.

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Mention of Cockroach makes me want to root out my Pius V missal. His recent career has been a real boon to the people of God, I don’t think. Years spent producing that dreadful new translation of the Missal, which has been such an expensive dud that it’s going to have to be done again. And by the way, Pat, you are wrong, as I am sure you know quite well, that the so-called Tridentine form is only 400 years old. Trent standardized the form of the Mass, whereas previously there had been many local variations, which in essential respects had been little changed from the early centuries of the Church – so at least for 1500 years. Compare that to the achievements of Cockroach. And anyone know what he has been doing for the last few years other than snooping on the side altars of St Peter’s, going undercover in his beenie? ( BTW I was perfectly okay with Paul VI’s Mass. )

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10.42
Because there is no prefect in charge of the CDWDS due to Pope Francis not replacing Cardinal Sarah yet.

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No. If CDWDS intended to issue such an announcement it would await the appointment of a prefect. The provenance and threefold destination of the ruling are specific and deliberate.
10.42

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How did the Old Mass relate to your own vocation? It must have been the only form you knew as a boy

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I was born in 1952 and my Dad brought me to daily Mass from the age of 4.

The Mass changed into the vernacular in the mid 1960s when I was 13/14.

When I entered the seminary in 1970 the vernacular Mass was fully established.

I have never celebrated Mass in Latin.

I think the vernacular Mass was and is central to my vocation.

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In his 1912 book on the Roman Mass, Adrian Fortescue wrote: “Essentially the Missal of Pius V is the Gregorian Sacramentary; that again is formed from the Gelasian book, which depends on the Leonine collection. We find the prayers of our Canon in the treatise de Sacramentis and allusions to it in the 4th century. So our Mass goes back, without essential change, to the age when it first developed out of the oldest liturgy of all. It is still redolent of that liturgy, of the days when Caesar ruled the world and thought he could stamp out the faith of Christ, when our fathers met together before dawn and sang a hymn to Christ as to a God. The final result of our inquiry is that, in spite of unsolved problems, in spite of later changes, there is not in Christendom another rite so venerable as ours.”
In a footnote he added: “The prejudice that imagines that everything Eastern must be old is a mistake. Eastern rites have been modified later too; some of them quite late. No Eastern Rite now used is as ancient as the Roman Mass.”

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Poor old Fortescue was more admired gor his passion and devotion than his historical scholarship. And he was a man of his time.

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The expression ‘The Mass of Ages’ is a misnomer beloved in traditionalist circles. There was no such thing because Jewish and Christian liturgy always adapted to new cultural contexts, whether language, geography or history.

The obsession with the Tridentine liturgy is not an Irish phenomenon unlike in the UK. Here it’s a tiny minority of devotees.

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“There is no contradiction between the two editions of the Roman Missal. In the history of the liturgy there is growth and progress, but no rupture. What earlier generations held as sacred, remains sacred and great for us too, and it cannot be all of a sudden entirely forbidden or even considered harmful. It behooves all of us to preserve the riches which have developed in the Church’s faith and prayer, and to give them their proper place.”
Pope Benedict XVI

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9.17

“The Second Vatican Council is the Magisterium of the Church. Either you are with the Church and therefore you follow the Council, or you interpret it in your own away, according to your desire, you do not stand with the Church. ….(There should not be any concessions) to those who try to present a catechesis that does not agree with the Magisterium of the Church.”

Pope Francis, Jan 30, 2021

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The Magisterium is not the Church.
Didn’t the Magisterium once teach in favour of capital punishment?

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One of the Greatest Statements of his Pontificate.
We are the Church for over 2000 years and still growing stronger each day sadly not in European countries.

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What Mass was celebrated at all the sessions of Vatican II? Francis can’t have read Sacrosanctum Concilium.

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11:54am
Yes it is sad Jim S and why do you think that is, its’ precisely because of the present incumbent in the Vatican. Sadly that;s why you’re always so sad.
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12:09

What? Fighting a rearguard? That’s precisely why most won’t be there Bela.

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Bella how many times have you been to Holy Mass since Lockdown as Place’s of Worship have been open at times.
Are you booked in for the Easter Triduum as the bigger the Church you can get up to 50 so you will at least get 30 in yours.
Have you volunteered as sanitiser or steward.

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11.06
You’re divorced from reality here, Bella.
Your mental state is cause for concern.

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He used to do lots of other lovely, nice things too, but he’s had to give those up, allegedly ! Anyhow, when he gets back to Armagh from London soon – if he’s not back already ? – we will find out if he’s stopped his antics. We will be watching.

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10.24
Rory will be returning at the next set of appointments to the Archdioceses of Armagh.
After the Ordination of Stephen Wilson.
As Archbishop Eamon say he is the Ordinate of Armagh

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Tommy will still be adoring the lace and hankering after the Latin which he doesn’t understand.

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3:51

It’s symptomatic of selective memory syndrome…cherry picking from the past.

Hankering after the good old days…of bells, smells, pomp and power, particularly power.

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4:11pm
It’s not selective memory or cherry picking form the past. It is freely available now, so we don’t have to hanker after anything. Thanks be to God we have it and are very happy, we can ignore you lot.

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Auld Gossip Alert@3:51pm

No Teresa we all know how you live in a fantasy world and your mental health problems seem to be getting worse you have so many names you really don’t know who you are.
Sign yourself in before you’re sectioned for your own safety

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Bella the people on here are concerned for your mental health can you not read that.
I was born in 1964 so really that is not old.
And I am delighted to continue to do my small part to allow us to open again on 26th March.
Bella you will always welcome to return.
I will offer the Luminous mysteries of the Holy Rosary for you.
Father Walls will just smile when he sees you and Martina 🙂 🙂 🙂

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I don’t think these morons have a clue about Vat.II which states in Sacrosanctum Concilium that Latin is the primary language of The Church. It also states that it is the duty of the clergy to see that the faithful are able to say or sing in LATIN those parts of The Mass which pertain to them. These are not my words but comes from Vat II that they all love to quote.There is no mention of Cranmer tables,Orientation, Communion in the hand etc. etc. and they want Liturgical decorum. Decorum is not the word anyone can use when you see priests who don’t follow the rubrics of the Novus Ordo and do their own thing. It wont matter what all the left wing mad mods. try to do, as they have for years to foist on us their liturgical views. We have The Bull of St Pius V which states the Missal remains valid in perpetuity, so no matter what anyone says the it will never cease. I’m just away to watch the livestream Mass from the Sacred Heart Church in Limerick a wonderful liturgy, full of decorum, I recommend it to you all.

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10.45
Latin was never the language of the Faithful; it was the language principally of clerics. Therefore it was never the language of the Church as Vat II defined it. Which means that statement about Latin in those documents is indeed a lie.
If the thought bothers you that a Roman Catholic cleric would lie here, be bothered no more, since we all now know that lying on their part was very small beer compared with what they were doing to children.

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11.29
When MC’s argument runs out he resorts to the only arms left in his arsenal – sexual abuse of children – to find it’s a grenade which blows up in his face every time because instances of church sexual abuse are dwarfed by the volume perpretated outside of the church.
To use the crimes comitted against innocent (= all) children to furrher one’s own obsessions is perhaps the worst abuse of all, since it relegates the suffering of the innocent to the status of a means to the end of self-gratification.

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@12.44, You’d rather relegate the horror of child abuse in the church to an insignificant footnote in history.

What do they say about forgetting the lessons of history and repeating actions?

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12.44

My argument ran out? How?

Are you suggesting that Latin was indeed the language of the entire Church? Because it wasn’t. Even many priests couldn’t understand it.

If you have evidence to the contrary, then please produce it. Otherwise don’t make such silly statements about arguments running out.

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7.08
Then he was either a fool or a liar.
Latin was never the language of the Church, but of some clergy. Even a pope cannot rewrite history. You probably think he can, though. God help you.

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9.41 If Pope St Pius V could make such a pronouncement, it can be unmade. Anyway, the expression ‘ad perpetuam rei memoriam’ was a formula used to indicate a document was to be considered a lasting record not that its contents had lasting application.

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@ 12:44
A multitude of abuses including CSA was/is covered up by Holy Mother Church,
the supposed religious moral spiritual Authority in the World.
What is EXTRAORDINARY is to be STILL in denial, still playing the blame game, while furthering obsessions to wear lace and frills, praying the Mass in Latin, a foreign language, even to yourselves! As if it makes you guys any holier..?

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Before any contentious commentary, can we remember all mothers on this Mother’s Day? I’ve witnessed amazing sacrifices by many during this pandemic. We remember in gratitude to God all mothers, especially loved one who have died. We are eternally grateful to God for our mothers. May the mothers still wuth us be truly appreciated.

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Little Father Peter says a lovely Mass ! How’s he getting on in Wandsworth or wherever ? I haven’t looked yet for any of his streaming Masses from there. And you call me a Stalker ?!

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Fr Peter is doing well considering the difficult circumstances and accusations surrounding his predecessor.
The parish website has been taken down to contain the scandalous news that hit the parish this weekend.

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Oh go on, you obviously want to tell us what it is, otherwise you wouldn’t be posting on here. So, come on, spill the beans, Ducky.

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I am sympathetic to the Old Rite, but am struck by how its celebration has apparently become so common at St Peter’s that action is now being taken to limit its use. This suggests – let’s face it, as we all know the signs – a high-camp clericalist culture in the Vatican entirely contrary to the Holy Father’s wishes. I also suspect that many of these clerics are young, recently ordained acolytes of Old Mother Burke who, when not prancing around in cassocks doing the jobs which lay secretaries could perform more effectively, are swotting up liturgies to perform for their own delight. NB the significant absence of ordinary folks. ( And don’t give me that stuff about being surrounded by angels and saints. )

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The Latin and Lace attracts a controversial type of Priest – based on revelations of seminary behaviour and interests seen here and in person.

Anybody supporting Latin mass – I challenge ye to comment only in Latin when expressing support for it.

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10:46
“Where did I put my Latin text books”,. ? “I can’t remember., for the life of me”!,.
Forgotten but not gone with chronic selective memory syndrome!

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For the millionth time, the Grindr stars of this blog are not Latin Mass types. Far from it. Fr McCamley roared at my wife when she mentioned to him that she’d attended the SSPX Mass in Bessbrook. Roaree always used Eucharistic Prayer II, even on a Sunday, and his liturgical preferences were lower than a snake’s belly.

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In Gaynooth, sems were not allowed to kneel during Mass but knelt during their Grindr meet ups.

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Mind you, his sexual proclivities went even further south than the snake’s belly….!

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1.39
‘When you think what the lowlife McCamley was up to’?
Do you think of it often, Bella?

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10:46 failed ex-sem who doesn’t go to Mass of any kind yets comments on the Traditional Mass alert.

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@ 2.28
Annuncio vobis gaudium magnum.

You make a lot of assumptions. Latin mass is an annual celebration for me. Latin is a regular in my private prayer. Rosary is almost always in Latin except when I celebrate with others.

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I think the history is now well established and we see it played out here again.
As seen on the ground Vatican 2 was about vernacular liturgy, mass facing the people and emphasising the community.
However the actual documents didn’t say this and the first edition of the missal talks about private masses and the priest turning to the people which indicates it thinking he is facing away to celebrate.
Every presbytery surely has the documents of Vatican 2 but seemingly nobody has ever read them.
However this plays out in the future we’re talking about two irreconcilable approaches and I think the church is hurtling towards schism because let’s face it, it requires huge charity to get the different viewpoints together in one church and that is rather lacking.
I think the first to go will be the liberal side who will go for women priests etc, unless the next pope is in Francis’s mould and forces the liberal agenda through in which case goodbye Bella et Cie.

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God willing the Next pope will carry on from wherever Pope Francis leaves us but again God willing not for years to come.
A lot of Curia appointments will be made this year so we will see more then what road Pope Francis is continuing on.
Also he is going to appoint at least thirty Cardinals soon it seems according to CNA.
There is no way Pope Francis will go down the Latin mass Brigade way s if you read earlier statement above given only two months ago sys it all.

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11:25am
You are right every presbytery has the documents of Vat. II but they have never read them. But the mad mods.continue to quote all the claptrap they think it said. If they actually read them they would soon shut up, because they wouldn’t like it.

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12.32
You obviously didn’t read, or don’t heed, those parts that speak of the obligation on the faithful to accept ALL the teachings of an ecumenical council.
You’re toast, Bella.

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I am reminded of fr matt wallace of blessed memory. Clearly suffering from an anxiety disorder of some sort. Always on the move and always a ciggie on the go. As an altar boy i remember having to race around the altar to keep up. The quickest mass being timed from start to finish at 17mins. One of the old ladies remarking at one point how it was lovely to hear the mass in latin again. His mass was most surely in english but at 100 words a second lol

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Oh, the boy needs to get a life. I can suggest a good wank as a way of relieving some of the obvious sublimated and repressed frustrations in his life. That might make him feel better, instead of taking refuge in the sorts of things that seem to interest him. God, give us priests, and holy priest, buy normal and sane priests…….

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He needs to lose weight. If he can’t control his eating then what else can he not control?
I wonder

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"The New Mass will lead to congregations of only old ladies and children" (Cardinal Heenan)says:

If Vatican II was a success, I can’t imagine what failure looks like. And before we get moronic comments about it being societal change, the whole premise of Vat II was to respond to such change. You can be sure that if the stats were positive we’d never hear the end of claims that Vat II was responsible.

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I’m not surprised, 1.15pm. I don’t think anybody, anywhere is impressed by what happens in the Irish Church or considers it a useful model to follow.

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Is there a correlation between preferring Latin Mass and the homosexual orientation?
Pope Bededict is manifestly a homosexual and he is a great proponent of it – is the Latin Mass then a sub-text. a liturgical opportunity to signal sexual preference and being a member of the parish, a friend of Dorothy?
In Birmingham you have Osman, Moss (Secretariat of State), Griffen, Chevasse etc!! Men not immediately identifiable as red blooded heterosexuals!!
You don’t need to be a rocket scientists or even a sexologist to figure it out: lace, frills, exceptionalism, no smile or joy, pretty boys as altar servers and acolytes – it’s not the Latin Brigade – it’s the Gay Brigade!!

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Ah, blasts from the past…… Chevasse, and his intense but non physical relationship with a young man that got him in to trouble (although I do think the Oratorians were most cruel in what they did to him, and to others, so that they could appear all kosher for Benedict’s visit to Birmingham); Moss, who thinks an awful lot of himself since he deaconed at the Pope’s Mass and was directed to the fast lane for preferment (although many a bright boy has come back from Rome disappointed, like Sharkey); and Osman (who had Couve as his sponsor), living in some grandeur for quiet a few decades in a lovely Georgian presbytery on the banks of the Thames with its own moorings in Oxfordshire. Griffen ? Griffin ? Opus Dei ? Stourbridge ? His bio from his parish website says: “Fr Philip enjoys reading (especially literature, history, and politics), music, opera, holidays, cooking and relaxing with his dog Henry. He is happily unmarried!” No shit, Jose ?!

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The Latin Brigade dress up (no pun intended) their obsession with the Extraordinary Form as showing their devotion to beauty and the sacred – whereas it is truly an ugly, elitist spectacle which apart from the aroma of too much indence gives off the stronger whiff of homosexuality, hypocrisy and power!!

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The Latin Mass, biretta, lace albs and fiddleback vestments brigade will be out in force today in defence of their preferences, although they will fail to mention that for the vast majority of them their underlying preferences have a wider scope than just vestments and Latin ! Get my meaning ?

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I so enjoyed celebrating Mass in my pink today. My pink chasuble is so me and it is a pleasure to be myself at work.

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Lily the Pink @1:18pm
I’m so glad you’re in the pink today Lily but you’ve got the wrong colour for Laetere Sunday it should be rose vestments but then you lot never stick to the rubrics anyway.

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Monty loves the tridentine pink vestment. Then again a lot of the ex Anglican queens in Westminster also like it. Is he still in good standing?

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I don’t get the thing with the lace and the baroque approach. There are pictures of the old mass celebrated facing the people in the forties and no lace in sight. In reality the liturgical movement had already been working to iron out the old lady’s drawing room approach, which makes me think the protagonists of the old mass are after a counter Reformation manifesto.
They should be able to celebrate both rites with the exact same paraphernalia!

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1.21pm

A blast from the past indeed a veritable trip down memory lane!!
Ah yes Fr Chevase and his innocent crush followed by cruel exile for him and his divisive confreres – storm in a pink tea cup that one – the Oratarians on the Hagley Rd a by word for high camp with high mass if ever there was one – I wouldn’t mind (each to their own) but they never smile or appear joyful in their up tight and scarcely repressed homosexuality!! For Gods sake boys if your going to dress up at least look like your enjoying it!! Richard Duffield was parachuted in to rescue his effete brothers and their predilection for cat fights and hand bags at dawn meant he ended up having a breakdown himself and was duly parachuted out (if that’s even a thing).
Oh and what is it about Oratarians in that they all look like Bishop Robert Byrne (short, cuddly and trying desperately hard to pretend to be butch) that hard working and dedicated stalwart who loves hard work and graft – who beams like a Mother Hen when pictured with pretty young things considering the priesthood- a man v happy in his vocation let me tell you duckey!!
It was very amusing when Peter Jennings, Elsies Press Secretary and his precious pet (Rottweiler more like) was at an Oxford college dinner and called an intense dweeb he got into an altercation with: ‘A little shit’ Elsie rode it out saying, ‘I know he’s a Rottweiler but he’s my Rottweiler’ – oh. as Mary Hopkins usued to sing, ‘’Those were the days my friend I thought they’d never end we usued to dance forever and a day.’
Fr Moss. like Fr Murphy, must have his admirers in Rome – and almostthey both are of the parish’ – indeed Fr Moss gets camper by the day – dearie – while Aldo looks on proudly and lovingly ((ah bless).
Osman is still embedded in Dorchester on Thames – Stock was there before him – the mystery, given a Vicar Generals penchant for moving on clergy who overstay their welcome – Osman has been languishing in that God forsaken outpost bereft of so many creature comforts for coming up to over 25 years!!!
Me thinks it’s not who you know but what you know in Osmans case and of course he knows too much!!
Oh I am enjoying this little chat nay gossip over the garden fence in this rather dreary Sunday afternoon!

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‘…YOU’RE enjoying it.’
You should have placed a full stop after ‘it’ and capatalised the first letter of ‘another’.
Go back to school, Bella.

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Now, I didn’t write that @2:57, but I’m wondering who did because he seems to know more than I know ! I must up my game. He’s so right about the Hagley Road lot, load of miserable shits who wander around like they are all 95 year old Newmans even when they are in their twenties. And what is with those round NHS glasses ? The house bit smells of boiled cabbage and is painted lime green, and various shit and off shit shades of brown. They could do with burning a bit of incense in there, never mind just in the church part. Bishop Byrne is the size of a fully detached house these days as he’s settled in to his episcopacy up North. Oh, how dreadful to be so far away from the Royal Opera, darlings ! Jennings is long since dead now, but he wasn’t all he was cracked up to be. Very second rate. They just wouldn’t pay the going rate for anybody better. Moss – poor thing if he’s got Aldo as one of his supporters and encouragers. Aldo’s endorsement doesn’t usually end well for the endorsee. Think Michael. And as for Osman, surely it’s time for genteel retirement to some Dowager’s private chapel for him ?

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3.56pm
Oh I am – it’s true and I do love a Hob Nob or a Custard Cream – but in homage to today’s topic I’m going to break open my Adam and Steve Biscuit Box from Fortnum and Mason – with lots of dunking I’ll have you know and who doesn’t like a soggy dunk!!

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4:03pm

Oh! Granny Grammar stop being so pedantic, you’re always giving out to me. I notice that you don’t do it to others who make spelling or grammatical mistakes. I’m beginning to think you don’t like me.

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4.03pm

Why the heckling about a full stop or upper case? I’m bemused – it’s like, is that all you’ve got – forget abusive as hominem and let’s be the punctuation police (full stop omitted for theatrical effect)

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Sure everyone knows theres no such thing as a private mass. Mass is not a mecanno set. It is a living wonderous mystery. We are well past the consecration bell stage. Liturgically the bell is a nice touch

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In advance of the appointing of a new prefect, a canonical visitation of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments is to begin tomorrow by the head of the Italian Bishops’ Liturgical Commission, and one of the leaders in the campaign to restrict substantially the use of Summorum Pontificum, Bishop Claudio Maniago.

It will evaluate Cardinal Sarah’s management of the last six years. How it will reflect on Arthur Roche is another interesting question.

https://www.riposte-catholique.fr/archives/158501

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Can Italians evaluate the damage done to our English language worship by Arthur Roche? He is one of the guys who made the Mass unprayable. He justified the silly “like the dewfall” by saying “it’s very modern and idiomatic language. Why, I saw an ad for Mountain Dew on my way here!” He is a liturgical criminal.

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6.39pm
‘Like the dewfall’ is beautiful. poetic language. The word, ‘prejudice’ comes to mind. No, it describes perfectly your ideas expressed in this blog.

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The damage done by the Roman Missal 2011 in silencing God’s people in God’s house was done under Sarah’s three immediate predecessors.

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Does anyone seriously believe that the executed Galilean physically rose from the dead let alone was the product of a union between a teenage virgin and a ghost?
Yeshua as a sapiential teacher, as a worker of ‘wonders’, as an eschatological preacher and as a powerful moral reality? Absolutely no doubts there.
The issue being is that if n organised ring can convince people to believe in the physical resurrection and in he superstructure that has been constructed around such a claim
for example transubstantiation then not only will such a ring have people believing anything else they say but more disturbingly doing anything in the name of those claims.
The Roman Church is not only a parody of ‘Christianity’ in that it is ‘Churchianity’- as this blog so amply demonstrates- but it is an instrument for violence in that it is the worlds largest paedophile ring
Let us keep that in mind when people wish to discuss the relative merits of en elitist exclusionary Rite

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Natlog: You make an important and central point.
I think that wandering Jewish fella probably spoke a lot of good sense on moral issues and encouraged good compassionate treatment of one’s neignbour. But all the other “add ons” attributed to him, his resurrection, miracles etc, and in particular asserting him to be the son of God: well I believe that is all exaggeration, initially by credulous naive followers anxious for an expected messiah and subsequentially, like a huge snowball gathering momentum, that Jewish teacher has been elevated and perpetuated by institutional religion.
MMM

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Hello Bishop I found your website on the internet. I run a wee snack van in the east end of Glasgow and like many people the lockdown has hit me hard. I also lost loved ones to the Covid and last year I gave money to start a garden of Remerbrance started by the local priest fr White.
https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/stmarys-prayer-garden
I’ve not seen anything more about it and now fr Whote is raising more money for a court case
https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/freedomforfaith
to pay for a QC (85k seems a lot). I’m sure everything is above board but it would be good to know what’s happening with the money and what happens to anything left over. People should know where ther money is going in these hard times.
God bless,
Archie

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Archie.
Father Tom White was removed from the Curia by the late Archbishop Tartaglia.
Does he have permission from the Diocesan Administrator. 9think not)
Please contact Monsignor Bradley about this at the Holy Cross Chapel 0141 423 0105
There is going to be a National garden or wall of remembrance by the Scottish Government.
Tom White likes publicity.
Sadly he and his “affair” have party company after 30 years so he is bored.

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Ephesians 4:5-10 GNB
There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism; there is one God and Father of all, who is Lord of all, works through all, and is in all. Each one of us has received a special gift in proportion to what Christ has given.

1 Corinthians 1:12-13
“What I mean is this: every one of you is declaring, ‘I belong to Paul,’ or ‘I belong to Apollos,’ or ‘I belong to Cephas,’ or ‘I belong to Christ.’ 13. Has Christ been split up? Was it Paul that was crucified for you, or was it in Paul’s name that you were baptised?”
1 Corinthians, 1 – Bíblia Católica

“Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?” (Luke 18:8b).

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1Corinthians 15
12But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

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“O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?”
(1 Corinthians 15:55)

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