Recently, I and several others, have written to Archbishop Eamon Martin of Armagh with concerns about homosexual wrongdoing by priests and seminarians associated with Armagh.
Eamon replied, as seen above, saying that he needs evidence in order to tackle these matters and he wants anyone who has such evidence to send it to the appropriate ecclesiastical and/or civil authorities.
In the case of Armagh, Archbishop Eamon is the appropriate ecclesiastical authority.
I believe that Eamon Martin is 100% sincere in his request for evidence.
Without evidence he cannot challenge individuals whose initial response will be to deny everything.
According to a Cloyne priest contacted last night, to his dying day Fr Michael Lomasney denied that he had sex on the altar of his parish church in Kildorrey and refused to give the name of his accomplice, reported to have been a seminarian.
When diocesan priests and seminarians engage in consensual acts they are breaking no civil law and it would be ludicrous to report the matter to the PSNI or Garda.
Thank God consensual homosexual acts are no longer illegal and never should have been in the first place.
However things are very different inntge ecclesiastical field.
The Roman Catholic Church regards all sexual acts outside the valid marriage of one man and one woman to be a sin – a crime against God and His church.
This includes the act of masturbation.
A priest or religious is further required by church law and doctrine to be celibate and chaste.
A diocesan priest having sex is breaking his promise of celibacy. A religious having sex is offending against his solemn vow of chastity.
A seminarian, until diaconate, has no promise of celibacy but is still bound by church teaching on chastity and is expected to be practising sexual continence from the day he enters seminary.
It is ludicrous to think that a seminarian can be sexually active right up until the moment of his ordination as a deacon and from just after the ceremony he can be celibate and chaste.
As my wise dad used to say: “If you are used to wearing shoes, its hard to go in your bare feet”.
A sexually active seminarian will find it nigh impossible to be sexually continent after his ordination. A lecherous seminarian will be a lecherous priest.
So, can anyone with evidence please sent it to Archbishop Martin on firstname.lastname@example.org.
You can also post it to him.
Keep a copy for your records
If you want, you can cc me at email@example.com
If you have evidence and do not share it with Archbishop Martin you are allowing individuals to bring the church into disrepute and perhaps allowing innocent young men to be badly damaged down the line.
112 replies on “EAMON MARTIN NEEDS EVIDENCE OF WRONGDOING BY PRIESTS OR SEMINARIANS.”
I have tried for a long time to inform you that Archbishops, bishops and the Papal Nuncio needs evidence and that is due to Canon law.
The clerical club will stand by each other and leave the Bishop looking like a fool.
No Bishop wants these guys in their dioceses it is problems now or in the future.
The rules are the rules and if you cannot abide leave NOW.
I will get accused now of being a shareholder in An Post or Royal Mail but all I have been asking for is proof so now hopefully Bishop Pat will understand Canon Law requires proof.
This is not about money this is about the seriousness of their TRUE vocation.
Auld Gossip Alert @10:29
OMG she never gives up, imagine her trying to tell you Patsy that you don’t know about Canon Law it’s really so sad.
Gosh first time I’ve read about the sacrilegious activities of Lomasney. There are some sick sexual perverts among the RC clergy. It is totally f***ed up. I feel sorry for the good priests as as soon as they appear in public wearing their clerical garb people must assume they are nonces. Ireland needs a purge of the perverts from within the clergy and I hope + Martin has then returned to the lay state with no access to church funds.
Not just in Armagh any Dioceses would be most grateful for evidence.
Pope Francis has said they are or become like a mortgage on the Church remember it is the laity who pays for the Church with their donations.
I would like to think Religious Communities would be the same.
regarding the sexual act on an Altar – please refer to the Sexual Offenses Act 2017. (A similar act preceded this).
Section 45. Exposure, offensive conduct of sexual nature
(1) A person who exposes his or her genitals intending to cause fear, distress or alarm to another person is guilty of an offence.
(2) A person who, in a public place, engages in—
(a) sexual intercourse,
(b) an act of buggery, or
(c) an act of masturbation,
is guilty of an offence.
(3) A person who intentionally engages in offensive conduct of a sexual nature is guilty of an offence.
(6) In this section—
“offensive conduct of a sexual nature” means any behaviour of a sexual nature which, having regard to all the circumstances, is likely to cause fear, distress or alarm to any person who is, or might reasonably be expected to be, aware of any such behaviour;
“public place” means any place to which the public have access whether as of right or by permission and whether subject to or free of charge
… We can say nothing about Fr Lomasney (RIP) as he cannot defend himself. If you have evidence against the other person then it should be forwarded to the local Garda Station.
I think you will find the definition of a public place would not be met by a presumably locked church at the time of the act, even if it is open to the public at other times.
Agreed. No civil crime involved.
Two consenting adults having sex in a locked building do not commit a crime.
Two adults having sex in a locked building do not break the civil law.
Is the identity of the culprits proven? Has the possibility of a faked photo been ruled out?
That is an interpretation best left to the courts. The definition in the Act does not exclude times when the public place is locked. These things are best handed over to the appropriate agencies.
I don’t understand the Archbishop telling you to take evidence to the ecclesiastical authorities. Isn’t he an ecclesiastical authority. It would be like if you went to Larne police station to report a crime and they said, “I suggest you take it up with the cops”.
Why don’t you publish your email to Amy and show the attachments?
I think you will find that Bishop Pat will publish his email in his own good time. I am sure that Archbishop Martin will have been speaking to the individuals concerned, but a complaint cannot be made by a third party if it is to be investigated by the competent authority. Archbishop Martin, and indeed no ecclesiastical or civil body, can proceed with an investigation unless an injured party comes forward. I do not think that Archbishop Martin will try and cover this up. If no injured part comes forward, he will be hoping that the concerned persons will have the integrity to leave, which of course they won’t. It will require the full force of Bishop Pat’s to be used. Bishop Pat will go public with his evidence when the time is right. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
I think of there is any evidence of sexual immortality the priest would be ‘invited’ to attend for an psychological evaluation at the St Luke’s institute in the US or Manchester. The recommendation would generally be 6 months residential therapy followed by ongoing supervision. Any self respecting cleric, especially if young enough, would get out and find a new way of life.
Pat, it took you a ling time to accept your sexual reality. Till then you were not PURE..
According to RC teaching.
You’re lucky to get a reply from him. I didn’t.
I can’t believe they still have a fax machine. Does he send the Ad Clerum by carrier pigeon?
I am no fan of Eamon Martin but his response to you was fair and reasonable. I don’t get why you needed to show his reply to you.
To show that he asked for evidence.
Eamon Martin needs to temporarily step down pending the audit of the allegations against his clergy and 1 Seminarian.
😄 Not at all. Never met the poor chap.
On the altar though – seriously- was it/is it an altar in a parish church? Was the priest the parish priest? What was the seminarian doing there (apart from being shafted on the altar). Is the altar recogizable? Is the arse? What’s with the blue tights? So many unanswered questions?
And who took the photograph and ate there any more – or a video, that would be even better.
Thing is there’s evidence but Amy knows full where there’s also (often) insufficient evidence – my God though shagging on the altar – scandalous, sacrilegious, blasphemous, offensive, oh yes and demonic.
The altar of Kildorrery parish church. Fr Lomasney was the PP there. Altar is fully recognisable. Think they were selfies? There is a video.
They all look out for each other. The old nonce and canon lawyer, Fr Tom Wood, hosted two archbishops mates of his for Mass and lunch in his parish. He was later busted for extreme kiddie porn and conversations describing the perverted things he would like to do to children. The homilist was also a good mate of his and is now on the formation team at Oscott Seminary. The cancer runs deep through most presbyterates. Coincidentally another canonist of the Archdiocese fondled a sleeping male house guest. http://www.liverpoolcatholic.org.uk/index.php?p=259
Sounds to me that Wood was a very lucky man not to have ended up in jail.
The Judge’s comments sound a bit Old Boys’ Club – essentially saying Wood was a good egg really, and that this was just a little aberration. Mmmmm ? I’m not so sure. Again, he was very lucky not to get a jail sentence. Remember, in order for him to watch those videos of children being raped, a child had to be raped ! He may claim to be a few steps removed form the actuality, but it is people like him that encourage the market for this kind of thing. So where is Wood now ? Housed and financed by the Archdiocese of Liverpool ? Because, really he is such a top bloke….?!
Anon @2pm I am sure he can rely upon the benevolence of the Archdiocese of Liverpool and his episcopal chums. Though he has resorted to selling off his religious paraphernalia on eBay, including his Gamarelli canon lawyer’s robe. I am sure he is living as though in retirement with sympathetic clergy calling upon him for afternoon tea…
Archbishop McMahon will be taking him through the canonical stages.
You cannot just get rid of Priests easy.
This priest will likely think now of asking for psychological help but it should be too late.
Archbishop should be going for him to be liaised no problem criminal record will help the Archbishop and win this case. case.
I was a seminarian in the parish Tom Wood left, in Liverpool; I was there in Spring of 2018 when the news broke – this was around 11 months after after Tom’s departure. I was horrified. He was a Canon Lawyer for our Archdiocese.
I had been working in the schools and got on well with staff, parishioners and parents – I literally did not know where to put my face when the new broke, it felt awful and awkward for myself and the staff with the kids families.
The Archdiocese of Liverpool Safeguarding only told the headmistress and Headmaster the severity of Tom’s crimes the day before the papers published.
Everybody in the school, even the dinner ladies, were distraught.
The damage is very real and painful for all, and such an horrendous breach of trust where kids are involved is absolutely unforgivable.
One of a few things I noticed at the presbytery was there were perimeter PIRs around the grounds which would make a buzzer go off in the house if there was movement or anybody approaching the house, and the kitchen was like All white a d immaculate like an operating theatre.
Tom had a wooden but made built outside and told the parishioners they couldn’t use the toilet in the utility room which was literally next to the sacristy.
Grant allowed them to use the utilty room and dining room when he got there though.
Fancy making an old lady use an outside toilet in a wooden hut! That’s disgraceful x
Gosh Wood’s domestic arrangements sound like something out of Silence of the Lambs. He would host frequent dinner parties for his clerical mates – did none of them not sense anything deeply disturbing about him?
Has Eamon discussed these serious issues with the seminarian and his family. He needs to publicly respond to the allegations against him and his network.
Pat is this the first time Eamon has replied to your concerns.
Dear Bishop Pat, I would like to know your views on ‘clericalism’. I understand clericalism to be a state of mind rather than a state of dress (“Victorian clergymen”). Clericalism in my view is about those embalmed on the palms of their hands behaving like prime ministers of their parishes instead of being pastors.
Clericalism is the Boys club I see it every day and it is worse than the Masonic Lodge.
Parish Priests should not be running parishes it is very clear pastoral teams should be in place in every parish.
Some Good Bishops have pastoral areas where a group of clergy are responsible for the Sacraments.
Clergy are ordained for the Sacraments not to be hall keeper, plumbers and so on.
Out of the depths i cry to you,O Lord……🙏👍📜😭
Veni Sancte Spiritus 🙏😲📜🙏😂😭👍
The Green Army of Knock!! 💋🙏😷💪😂😭👍
Bring the church into disrepute? ROTFL.
Well, what’s new! 😂
I am bemused to see that Archbishop Martin refers to you as “Bishop Pat Buckley”. How interesting!
Of course, Fr. Lomasney denied the allegation made against him. He was hardly going to admit his actions to Bishop Crean, an ignorant thicko from Kerry with a temper, who, I have on good authority from a sound priest from Kerry was the third choice for Cloyne. If he had done so, Crean would have no choice but to have him immediately laicised. While we should never speak ill of the dead, I am of the view that his denial had no credibility.
This action is one of the most scandalous and sacrilegious acts I have ever come across. It is every bit as bad and worse than the actions that took place on the altar in New Orleans with a priest and two prostitutes. At least, the Archbishop in New Orleans had the altar burned; a new one installed and, he came personally to consecrate the altar. All this is in the starkest possible contrast to the actions of Crean, who to the best of my knowledge Crean made no public statement. Does any priest from Cloyne know if the altar was reconsecrated?
Archbishop Martin is being completely disingenuous. He really does not want any information about the seminarian, because it is too difficult and he does not want the hassle and aggravation.
No person in their right mind would be able to comprehend why this seminarian is still a student in Maynooth. Why has he not been dismissed? It is legitimate to enquire, who are his protectors? Who else has this seminarian been sexually active with in the past? Do any of these individuals now wear a mitre?
The difference in the New Orleans case was that the participants were visible from outside the church and somebody filmed them from outside. So they did get a criminal prosecution and there was the kind of evidence Eamon is asking for.
There is a video of Kildorrery.
Sorry, Pat, I didn’t make clear that I meant the video in Kildorrery was presumably taken from inside the church but what brought them a cropper in the US case was the act was visible from outside. One of the prostitutes also mentioned desecrating an altar on social media.
Who has the Kildorrery video?
Have you seen the video Pat?
So you know the identities of the participants then?
Bishop Pat is validly but illicitly ordained. The Holy See addresses Lefebrvist bishops by their title. Also, Anglican bishops (male or female) who are not validly ordained are still afforded the courtesy of being addressed as ‘bishop’.
Archbishop Eamon will not stand aside he has nothing to stand aside for as yet.
There is NO Audit of His Dioceses.
Archbishop Eamon does not send out letters for the sake of it he sends them out for a response to whatever he is asking.
Everything will be done within Canon Law however that is dependant on any Bishop getting Evidence.
You sound like a most unsavoury individual.
Psalm 50 (51)
1 Unto the end, a psalm of David,
2 when Nathan the prophet came to him after he had sinned with Bethsabee.
3 Have mercy on me, O God, according to thy great mercy. And according to the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my iniquity.
4 Wash me yet more from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
5 For I know my iniquity, and my sin is always before me.
6 To thee only have I sinned, and have done evil before thee: that thou mayst be justified in thy words and mayst overcome when thou art judged.
7 For behold I was conceived in iniquities; and in sins did my mother conceive me.
8 For behold thou hast loved truth: the uncertain and hidden things of thy wisdom thou hast made manifest to me.
Psalmus 50 (51)
1 In finem Psalmus David
2 Cum venit ad eum Nathan propheta quando intravit ad Bethsabee
3 Miserere mei Deus secundum magnam misericordiam tuam et secundum multitudinem miserationum tuarum dele iniquitatem meam
4 Amplius lava me ab iniquitate mea et a peccato meo munda me
5 Quoniam iniquitatem meam ego cognosco et peccatum meum contra me est semper
6 Tibi soli peccavi et malum coram te feci ut iustificeris in sermonibus tuis et vincas cum iudicaris
7 Ecce enim in iniquitatibus conceptus sum et in peccatis concepit me mater mea
8 Ecce enim veritatem dilexisti incerta et occulta sapientiae tuae manifestasti mihi
Most of the discussion on this blog is about homosexual priests. The dominant concern about homosexuality suggests a prejudice. There must be as many and, very probably, more priests in heterosexual relationships with women. They are not chased, vilified or judges. Yes, prejudice. All Hail Ye, all hail.
You haven’t been keeping up. Priests used to refer to the priestly problems of Punch and Judy but nowadays it’s Punch, Charlie and Jonathan.
Everyone knows men have to masturbate, including the +Aul Doll, which condemns all priests and seminarians for a start. Of course, there will be certain men with a very low sex drive, but I have never encountered any gay men with that condition − quite the opposite, in fact.
The late KOB, for example, never let celibacy or chastity interfere with getting laid. He was basically “at it” as it were his entire adult life. What a jolly good laugh he must have had behind people’s back.
Also, he must have accepted hospitality on occasion from the arch-homophobe Brian Souter, which always makes me laugh. KOB would have had a good laugh, too, about it afterwards.
A lot of priests must be laughing behind the backs of the faithful. The Sunday collection and Mass stipends paying for them to take their boyfriends on holiday, or entrance fees to gay saunas, poppers, or for rent boys.
Please, please, spare is the image of + Aul Doll pulling it. It’s too early in the morning.
Don’t be fooled, + Armagh is just playing for time, trying to sound as though he’s interested, but anything that is sent to him will disappear down a big hole and be forgotten. And, he will hope that you, having sent him stuff, will forget about it too. It’s from the classic clerical play book of how to avoid dealing with stuff. So, if there is anything that you know about a priest that is criminal or illegal, then bypass the bishop and go to the police or statutory authorities first of all. If it’s about disciplinary stuff, or behaviour unbecoming of a priest (like sexual affairs in contravention of the priest’s publicly stated vows; cruising the local toilets, woods, laybys etc) by all means tell the bishop with the caveat above, but also think of more direct ways of addressing it. Perhaps letting the priest himself know that you know. Perhaps leaving some flyers or pamphlets around the church. Yes, they will huff and puff and threaten all sorts of legal action, but if you are certain of your facts, then you have nothing to fear, because 1. They will not dare to take action because they know you are right or 2. If they do take action, they will lose and it will cost them a lot of money or they will be done for perjury. I did it once many years ago to a priest who was always wandering around a country park cruising for sex, and I actually caught him at it when I was walking my dog with my son. So, we had a conversation a few days later. I’ve never seen him up there again. Sometimes, direct action is the only way. I don’t see any reason to act in a gentlemanly way with priests who delight in trying to fool us, who lie to us, who live parallel and duplicitous lies, and who think that they can and should always get away with it.
Further to mine at 9:19, before anybody asks, I did consider reporting this guy to the police, especially because I and my son saw him with his pants down and his dick out. I could have done, yes, for public indecency etc. However, I was prepared to give him a chance and not go for the jugular. Misplaced loyalty, perhaps. But, the conversation we had left him in no doubt that if I saw him up there again, there would be consequences…. Seems to have worked.
So lomasaney denied it to the very end , even on his death bed,its has long been seen that priests accused of sexual wrongdoings will lie through there teeth, he wouldn’t be the first in cloyne to do so.
If I’d known it was going to be like this I would never have brought it here
Peader o keane
You have said many times that it’s pointless writing to and contacting bishops should you not heed your own advice.
When someone says they will act on the evidence I give them the chance to do so.
Will you not let the poor craythur rest in peace
If he lied to the end, do you really think he is resting in peace?
Instead, pray that he may do so.
Pat do you feel undermined by Stephen Wilson.
😁 I have never met the poor chap.
Thank God Pat or you would have been seduced by his charm and chat lines.
Pat, if you have seen the actual video of sex in Kildorrery church then you surely know who’s in it? You must know if it was Lomansey and the suspected seminarian? If so, have you told the appropriate ecclesiastical authorities? If a seminarian who behaves like this, not only promiscuously, but desecrating a church, gets ordained, it will be another disaster.
Have nothing against Lomansey as he can’t defend himself. Also should speak ill of the dead. Its a possibility that he went to confession before and also denied it to Cloyne priest who spoke to +pat👆. We never know. He was my brother drinking buddy for a while, when he was in our parish. I didn’t know that until much later. Met him once at relatives funeral. Didn’t know why I felt bad vibes. So I asked for pp to speak to and was granted. I remembered much later asking a relative who was that priest. She told me it was my brother drinking buddy as parishioners knew it re his drink problem. It was a local common knowledge. I said no more until kildorrey mass incident which arose later. Then I asked around and found out more that Lomansey was on a cruise with my brother somewhere in southern France. I was astonished when I heard it. As far as I know, kildorrey wasn’t re consecrated as it spoke a lot of volumes re Crean. He doesn’t believe it was one argument. Another argument was that I don’t know. I believe there might be a 3rd person who videoing it although I could be wrong there. After studying photos led me to believe there might be a 3rd person out there or excellent self selfie something like a seasoned photographer. That seminarian if still is should be called up for hearing to assess his suitability for priesthood. If I were EM, I would fire him on the spot based on my experience of institutional abuses. Firing is a damage limitation exercise. Letting him onside towards to priesthood re studies and ordination would bring far more reputational damage as far as I’m concerned if all came out later.
I am sorry to read about you experience of the Church and it is upsetting.
I cannot even try to convince there is NO way anyone in the Catholic Church wants people within it who abuse and we do not want anyone breaking their vows they should leave now.
The older generation Bishops like Crean, McKeown and others are on their road out and hopefully the new Bishops and some recently appointed will be of a different mould God willing.
Archbishop Eamon Martin must address these issues if he has proof and not ordain unsuitable seminarians.
Surely Archbishop Eamon is not that stupid to place himself at risk to be removed because of issues.
Pope Francis wants a cleaner and leaner church and we will all strive for that alongside whoever his successor is.
I again appeal to anyone with information about wrong doing to highlight it and be assured it will be dealt with.
BTW where are the clergy and seminarians of the blog today or even the stalkers have been noted MIA
Be assured it will be dealt with,
The cover up is still on going
I know for a fact.
Not just by bishops and authorities in the church but by rank and file clergy protecting their friends
If happening now
Some think that Martin himself is comproised.
Jim S @2:24pm
Is English your first language? you’re away with the fairies, if you think anything will be dealt with. Nothing is ever dealt with, 3:03pm is right it’s cover up after cover up. If you think new Bishops will be of a different mould than their predecessors, you really are away with it. As for Fanny wanting a cleaner leaner Church sadly that’s the biggest laugh yet. We can only pray that his successor is the complete opposite of him.
Martin compromised ? Well, I shudder to think of him being intimate or sexually active. Imagine the big girl’s blouse getting all soppy !! I suppose it could have happened. Miracles and all that. Mind you, he did / does have a thing about Roreeeee. No doubt.
Anon@2.15pm I doubt they were as reckless to show their faces in the video.
The majority of clergy are homosexual – it’s is a gay profession- the Vatican is populated almost entirely by homosexuals – a gay village if you like. It’s an unpalatable truth I grant you but check out Dyan Elliot Corrupter of Boys homosexuality and pedastary as old as the church – although not necessarily a causal link between the two – celibacy is a cloak, mask or veil – it masquerades as virtue but it’s a device which conceals and hides – oh and many gay men live the long robes, frills, lace, Gaudete Sunday an favoured feast day etc!!
Makes me laugh that the party line is don’t ordain gay men – when all they do is ordain gay men – a straight priest is an oxymoron and as rare as unicorn droppings.
I stepped in some t’other day. Unicorn droppings. Saw no unicorn, though.
If thats unpalatable truth the whole truth that you are saying. Then, I don’t want to have anything to do with rcc ever with all its fake facade and their posturing et al.
Its jesus first before rcc for me personally.
@unicorn droppings so very true. What amazes me is the audacity of some of them. Over 1000 signed a letter to The Telegraph in 2013 and I have slept with some of the signatories and know the secrets of many of them.
Pardon me, fathers, but does any bright spark on the blog know the difference between rain, reign and latter day rain? It’s driving me bananas!
” That would be a spelling matter.”
6;38, ‘feck off’
The only way the Shag in the Altar Scandal void have any legs would be if the good people of the parish were up in arms, scandalised, shocked, upset and began revolting – you know that old cannard – the people are revolting (the view of most clergy) – but not sure a Shag on the Altar cuts it these days – the word in the street (sacristy) is any scandal as long as it’s not child abuse is manageable – just deny, deny, deny and keep your head down (no pun intended).
To be honest I reckon a Shag on the Altar will have crept to the top of the sexual wish list of many clergy – you don’t know do you until you give it a try although got to say puts whole new meaning on the invitation – ‘Come, Come, Come to the altar’ should that be ‘Cum, Cum, Cum in the altar.’ Sweet Jesus if you didn’t laugh you’d cry.
I should have got an inkling long time ago re something wasn’t right re Vatican. There was one Vincentian priest who taught in St pats training college as he was shafted to cabra for his views and speeches on Dutch theologian named Edward Schillebeeckx. I never heard of him. I asked one teacher why was that intellectual priest sent to cabra as they told me that they shafted that Vincentian priest to cabra to shut him up. He wasnt an abuser just nice and decent priest. Vatican operated on their double standards re shafting their dissent priests and also at same time, not shafting other abuser priests. I didn’t know that until many years later when I heard that particular Vincentian priest who died, whom I found him quite decent and unassuming. The point I make it is romanists especially the Vatican do operates on double standards. One word for ourselves was and is that the Vatican, curia, Pope or whatever can’t be simply be trusted at all.
I do not know what age you are and that really does not matter as the children in our schools could help you but I will try.
The Pope is the Head of the Roman Catholic Church then the Cardinals right down to the Deacons at Diocesan level.
So it is impossible for the Pope to know what is going on in each Dioceses he trusts his papal Nuncios to over see it for him and the Congregation of Bishop.
therefore everything should first be done at a Diocesan level then a National level before going to Rome.
however there is so many Bishops not up to the mark so that is why Pope Francis brought in two years ago if they have the PROOF Bishops will be removed.
the full apple cart is NOt rotten to the core we just need to remove the rot.
Deaf Guy At 4:03pm
Well Guy I hope the ejit at 6:12pm helped to educate you. I’m sure you were not aware that the Pope was the head of The Church .As regards the priest being removed to Cabra for his views on Schillebeeckx that’s understandable it was at the time of the notorious Dutch Catechism which was full of errors, I presume that’s why he was removed.
Your comment is a perfect example of your ‘looking down’ attitude or sheer ignoramus at best. Unbelievable disdain attitude coming from you as a priest and also church apologist as well. No wonder its gotten all the bashing it could get including yourself.
Pope F and cardinals bishops, bigwigs knew abuses was going on for years and they did NOTHING. they knew but pretend not to know. Ever hear of plausible denialability??
0pope f won’t remove his best friend Bishop named zachetta who was caught up in abuses. That tells us more about their sheer duplicity and double standards, downright sheer hypocrises on their part. Nuncio are there to cover Pope F ass that’s it.
No show of accountability and openness as its all under their table. It’s all more compelling reasons NOT trust RCC (romanist) @ you as well.
Just started reading The Best Catholics in the World by Derek Scally – he’s an Irish journalist based in Berlin – v insightful and beautifully observed – check out the contempt wit which clergy treat lay people – the party is over – Pope Francis visit to Ireland was a protest visit – the people stayed away – Catholics in the West (especially Ireland and Poland) are pissed off, fed up, disillusioned and are voting with their feet to stay away and not return – especially as once not going to Mass was a mortal sin FFS!! Not anymore the clergy decided and the people are off the leash – new era thank God – homosexuality isn’t the problem – child abuse is major problem – but their biggest problem is hypocrisy, double standards, double lives all wrapped up in clericalism.
I know a lady never tells but doesn’t the sheer hypocrisy of the clergy you slept with make you think that just a little bit of juicy gossip, innuendo, or calling them out would be good for everyone, hey including them. I mean better out than in as my mother used to say or am I mistaken and it was KOB!!!!!!
@ 5.11pm what purpose would it serve? I walked and although initially difficult (financially and emotionally) I managed to rebuild my life and have a good career. Fortunately, I was young enough to do something else and find happiness with my partner. I did splutter when I saw some of the signatories to the 2013 letter, but can only assume that they must be deeply unhappy. I knew a young gay priest completing further studies at the Irish College and he later killed himself when back in his diocese. One of his contemporaries is now a high ranking official at the C.D.F. I always wonder why he ended his life, and hope it wasn’t because he couldn’t live with being gay. A terrible loss.
6.12pm bit of eejit and also church apologists which I have no time for.
6.12 and yours bit dense or obtuse when you both said Pope as head of the church. It sums up your attitude towards the Deaf in general as thick as a plank. There are deaf phds, doctors, engineers out there that you don’t know of or never heard of them. No wonder you are so ignorantamus re your generalisation that all deaf never heard Pope as head of the church. It’s all the more compelling why we as dead community have no time for orc shouldn’t listen to you or any of the bigwigs in the first place cos it’s not worth bec of your and 6.12 anon attitude as well. Get it😂😠 now eff off.
Whenever I heard KOB and people like him bashing the gays and going on hard line about sexual morality, and especially intrinsically disordered homosexuality, I knew that the man had a personal problem with his own sexuality, and in all likelihood was acting out himself. Even though I had no hard proof. And what emerged….?! I’m usually right. I can detect, sniff out, a repressed, angry, self-loathing, hateful gay priest so easily. They need help. And we need protecting from them. Best way, I say, is to OUT THEM. We would only be telling the truth.
”The truth will set you free, even if the truth is revolting”
But Romanism will enslave you under the jackboot of episcopal tyranny.
)Just sayin’ what few others are, like.)
So KOB cover up was move quickly to Dunkeld and likely retire from there.
Can i ask what your thoughts are on the other 6 in Scotland.
Just Asking 😉
Deaf guy @8:22pm
That’s some chip youv’e got on your shoulder, don;t you recognize a bit of sarcasm. now eff. off and do wan.
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die. (John 11:25)
The LORD is gracious and merciful, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love. (Psalm 145:8)
13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock, I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah. (Matthew 16:13-20).
@ 8:35 pm
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6)
Like bald men fighting over a comb. My son’s primary school has a bigger enrollment than the so-called Pontifical University of Maynooth.
The hymn for the day
I wonder how those pictures in the church were taken I found this in Wikipedia: Blasphemy is an insult that shows contempt, disrespect, or lack of reverence concerning a deity, a sacred object, or something considered inviolable. I wonder if this is also a civil offence
HOW Hi Fly.
Begorra fly how bad can things get. It is so bad it would drive you to drink.
Last week I headed off with a fishing pole, a six pack of stella and paddled the canoe to the Skellig’s.
In no time I had a biggie on the line.
Thought it was flipper taking over from fungi or Jonah’s whale or the submerged jolly green giant.
I hauled in a duck. A big fat Daithi Lacha. A big fat over inflated rubber duckie.
Now all I’m doing is singing rubber duckie you’re the one at bath time.
I use wash and go on my Mohican haircut. Manage one to two years max from a bottle.
Herself is going around doing the shake and vac to put the freshness back.
Can’t beat the stella bud.
Anyways whether you enjoy the… black stuff…bud… or stella
May the Force Be With Us. +
Good Nite Hi Fly.
You do not know me at all and basically all I was trying to do was point it out to you that we try to start at diocesan level before it goes to Rome as it is very expensive for any dioceses to take issues to Rome.
I am quite well away the World know of his holiness Pope Francis as he has won the Nobel Peace award
And I see the faults in the Church and constantly strive to make it a better safer place for all.
My late uncle was one the first person in the UK to get the cochlear implant and people have raised a lot of money for it so there is no way I would insult anyone.
Which poster are you re 6.12pm or 7.22pm??
Pope F Nobel peace prize doesn’t matter, not one jota of that appeals to me in fact. It’s meaningless as far as I’m concerned. Pope actions that will define him rather than his confusing, mind numbing talk. He’s a chameleon as he always change his words or his position.
If I had the chance to demand from him re accountability and that he stick to his promises. My demand to him is this
1. Sack Crean.
2.sack half of the bishops here and reduce all dioceses to 3 or 4 main areas.
3.strip rcc charity status as return them as tax payer institution. Full compliance with accounting and tax laws.
4. Strip them of all safe guarding and outsource them outside for independence and evaluate cases to refer then if necessary to the garda/police authorities.
5. Any of the church properties be sold proceeds to revert back to the parish who had contributed to it.
DG I am 6.12 and I have no need to apologise.
Bishop Crean has only five years to go.
Dioceses are being getting reduced as quick as canon Law allows with Administrators in the meantime.
The Church is a Charity and it pays all the taxes required.
Safeguarding is independent although the dioceses do pay the salaries but I would like to think we all use our own minds as we have to live with that.
Church property if it belongs to a parish it goes with the parish is amalgamates with and same if it has debts which most have.
I hope and pray that the Holy Spirit guides us.
As usual we are all bad bad.
Their is always a good turnout whenever dear Eamon is mentioned, BpPat. Something about her airs and graces I suppose.
Lawrence Chaney won Ru Paul’s Drag Race, Bp Pat, but it could have been the +Aul Doll by a mile. I hope she enters next time.