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HEARING OF VATICAN ABUSE CASE STARTS.

Former altar boy alleges abuser wanted sex in St. Peter’s at Vatican trial

Published March 18, 2021 GMA NEWS

VATICAN CITY – The alleged victim of sexual abuse in a youth seminary in the Vatican said in court on Wednesday that his abuser wanted to have sex in a bathroom behind an altar in St. Peter’s Basilica but he resisted the advances.


The alleged victim, who is now 28 and identified only as L.G., testified in the latest hearing of the trial of two priests, one charged with abuse and the other with covering up the attacks.

L.G. has alleged that Gabriele Martinelli, now 28 and now a priest, repeatedly forced him to have sex, mostly while they were both minors in the Pius X Pre-Seminary.

Fr Gabrielle Martinelli

The seminary houses altar boys who serve Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica – the domed papal church at the heart of the Vatican – and are thinking of becoming priests.

The events are alleged to have taken place between 2007 and 2012 and Martinelli later went on to become a priest in northern Italy.

L.G. said that Martinelli would slip into his bed at night and force him to touch him and also to have sex in another room. Martinelli, who testified last month, has denied the allegations.

During a three-hour hearing on Wednesday L.G. said Martinelli had tried to convince him to have sex in a bathroom behind one of the altars in St. Peter’s Basilica while both were due to serve Mass.

“I was shocked,” L.G. said, adding that he refused to follow Martinelli, who was naked under his cassock, into the bathroom.

The other defendant is Father Enrico Radice, 72, who was rector at the time and who is charged with covering up the alleged abuse.

Monsignor Enrico Radice

The prosecution says Radice did not block Martinelli from becoming a priest after he left the pre-seminary even though he knew about the abuse.

Radice, who had given Martinelli supervisory responsibilities over the other altar boys, denies this.

PAT SAYS

Another story today involving sexually seminarians – this time in the Vatican!

The seminarian even tried to have sex with the altar boy in a toilet under the main altar at St Peter’s Basilica!

Not quite another Kildorrery – but not far from it and under the altar at the church building at the heart of Catholic Christendom.

128 replies on “HEARING OF VATICAN ABUSE CASE STARTS.”

Seriously we all know the outcome of this trial ahead of it ending.
It will be decided there isn’t enough evidence to convict Martinelli. A clerical process may follow.
Since there aren’t multiple complainants it will be decided there isn’t enough evidence that the rector was told this was going on.

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And still the cathbots keep throwing their cash at the feet of these parasites and wasters.
Gotta be said, like.

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Yes it has and it drives them wild. Incidentally they will be paying for this trial in a tinpot balkanised banana monarchy inside Italy.
Holy church my a***

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Morning, Bella. You’re sounding a bit cranky, petal. What’s wrong with yea?

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Some people are good people and can’t rest while a tyrannical cult takes advantage of people. You wouldn’t understand.

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these are the cases that have the devil behind them making out that HOLY PRIESTS are bad and do the things that are lusty this is not so for these cases are lies for big bucks the HOLY GOD is ANGRY at the things going on and will have a WOED with the perpatretoes of these accusations some time soon you wait marked my words

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Is that poster the intellectual measure of the cathbots?

Who else would be so blindly loyal to priests and an institution so corrupt?

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10:53am
I’m glad you’re fine and hearing Mass even if its on TV. I assisted at Mass myself live streamed from Sacred Heart Church in Limerick lovely. So I’m not in bad form at all, good luck to ya.

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11:17

I know the Sacred Heart Church on the Cres in Limerick.. Beautiful Church.
Tell me, do you think God approves young priests wet behind the ears blessing military weapons ?
God bless.

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The Jesuits (who else) sold Sacred Heart to some grasping developer during the Celtic Tiger period and he was going to put a swimming pool in the nave. Is there a worse Order in the Church than the SJs?

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I guess it was only a matter of time until this kind of thing came and settled at the very door of the Vatican itself. Actually, it probably has before, but in time honoured tradition the Vatican will have been able to ignore it or make it go away. Not this time, it seems. Perhaps the Vatican will learn a lesson from this episode, and others, and realise that they are not immune from the rest of the world, and don’t even lead for most of the time but inevitably over time are going to need to learn to engage and even follow.
This will be the case with another issue that has been in the news over the last week or so. Namely, the recent CDF statement about blessing of same sex relationships, even though they bless pretty much anything else that moves ! A conversation with a friend the other day about what I thought about this, and felt about it, elicited a response from me which essentially said “Am I bothered, do I care, what difference does this make to me ?” Actually, I could let it make a great difference if I wanted to, because I do have a civil partnership. Interestingly, however, even though this partnership is the most important thing to me in the world, having it blessed by the Church through a priest is something about which I am supremely indifferent. This is the case even though I count myself a Catholic and want to stay in touch with the Church and value much that the Church has given me and continues to give me. I think my supreme indifference to this new pronouncement is something that many Catholic, and others, feel about much that is delivered to them from on high by the Vatican. We read it, digest it, give it the courtesy it deserves as a point of view and something that can help to inform the discussion, our deliberation and consciences, but not as something that trumps everything else. It is one element in a whole complex debate. In the case of the CDF pronouncement, so many other views and outlooks inform my attitude, and those things come from a variety of directions, people and cultures. So, whilst I will listen respectfully to what the CDF says, I simply weigh it along with many other things. If it is out of kilter with my life, my lived experience, and that of others who are important to me, then I park it and leave it, in other words it does not have any material effect, and I am indifferent to it. It is ineffective.
Now, I do not think I am alone in this as a Catholic, and not just about this subject but also about lots of things that in the past we were expected to take on board without question. Times have changed, we have changed, and the way we live our faith and being Cathollcs has changed. I reckon that is the way for most Catholics these days. The trouble is that the Church / Vatican hasn’t yet caught up with this, and especially in recognising the way people make up their minds these days. They simply don’t seem to appreciate that they cannot just deliver from on high any more, but need to be part of the discussion, and just as their views are respected and listened to in that debate, they too have to listen to and respect what others are saying, and not simply expect that their view will trump everything else and will prevail. That is not the way it works anymore.
The point of all this ? Well, where Catholics like me have gone (and I reckon we are a huge number of Catholics these days), the Church needs to catch up and follow. Or, as sadly is already happening, the Church will become increasingly irrelevant and sidelined as people move away from automatic followership because it is demanded and expected of them, to a new fluid, co-operative, shared and rich debate that informs their faith and lives. The Church doesn’t need to be afraid of that. It can still have a very positive influence if it wants. It just needs to do it by engaging, discussing, being inventive, flexible, adaptable, and listen to the voice of people like me and many others. That the way forward. Or they can choose increasingly being sidelines and made irrelevant.

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‘Perhaps the Vatican will learn a lesson from this episode, and others, and realise that they are not immune from the rest of the world, and don’t even lead for most of the time but inevitably over time are going to need to learn to engage and even follow.’
No chance. They would have done by now. You don’t say how old you are but you may remember a cartoon from the 80s showing bishops wearing t-shirts saying ‘We ran the world’ and an onlooker saying ‘And they think they still do’!

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9:09am

If you were a Catholic you wouldn’t have a civil partnership. Why should The Church catch up with you, just to suit your way of life, and if it did they would lose many who would not accept it.

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So 1008 please tell me why as a Catholic I should not have a civil partnership ? It is a civil partnership, with practical and protective assurances for both parties. Why should I not have that ? Why would you want to deny people like me, Catholics, from that ? I’m not talking about marriage, although I suspect you are not subtle enough to be able to distinguish a civil partnership from a marriage, and all you can think about and obsess about it what happens privately and intimately. But, you don’t know, and it is non of your business. Civil partnerships are a good and just way for people, at the moment of the same sex but soon to be of opposite sex, to ensure security, protection, mutual help etc. But, you are not worried about that, are you ? All you’re worried about is other things that have to do with the genitals and loins. Poor sick you.

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11:34am
I hope its all right if it’s approved by The Church, remember even during The Emergency Dev. had it done to save the Country from being overrun and dragged into the war. Look what happened when The North Wall was bombed by the Germans by mistake. Any Government has to protect its Citizens.

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Any update on the ex-rector of the Irish College Fr. Ciaran O’Carroll?
That was a sudden fall from grace.

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9.38am
What gossip. There was no sudden fall from grace. For the sake of clarity, that idea is nonsense, which means it makes no sense. Carroll was simply reassigned after serving a reasonable term at the College. Nothing unusual about that. Your comment is nothing short of gossip, malign intent and, yes, nonsense.

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Diarmuid gave him a plumb parish as a pay off for “looking after” his seminarians. I wonder did the Gannon court case have something to do with him leaving Rome. 🤔

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DonnyB Spy: Was his “plumb” (sic) parish a ‘fruity reward’, or something plumbing the depths?

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9.38: Not at all a sudden fall from grace. Don’t be such a thick prick!! Get a real life. Fools and their big, gossipy mouths…!!

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I don’t respect a man who forced an innocent seminarian to take an expensive court case to try to clear his name. He reneged on his responsibility which shows the lengths he would go to COVER UP.

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Dear Bishop Buckley,
Archbishop Dermot Farrell has no time for Ciaran O’Carroll’s uppity BS. We are all hoping that he appoints him to Ballymun next. Ciaran has no time for people who are beneath his ego.
They did not like each other in Maynooth because Dermot stopped O’Carroll becoming the chair of history in Maynooth. Ciaran was looking for an easy life away from parish responsibility.
With the politics ongoing, Diarmuid Martin then got O’Carroll the job in Rome using his connections. Rome became unhappy with O’Carroll for a number of serious reasons thus they asked the Bishops of Ireland to appoint a new rector.
Daddy Diarmuid Martin is not around to protect him anymore.
Yours X

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HOW HI FLY
Begorra hi have they not got ears to hear.
Maybe they are gone deaf due to all the club-bin’
Jumpin’ Jack Flash… its calls to mind… Chirpy Chirpy… Cheep Cheep…
Away with the birds.
Anyways whether deaf in one ear blind in one eye or tongue tied.
May The Force Be With Us.+

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I and also with you. Glad to know thauld spoon never lost the power to stir

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The appointment of the next Rector of Oscott needs careful consideration. A couple of the formation staff are compromised and it will need a courageous leader to turn the place around. I was sorry to hear of the sudden death of Canon Giles Goward (Rector for less than a year) – but he would never have been able to deal with the problems there. Fr Andrew Downie the chaplain at Durham would be an excellent appointment. Intelligent, firm but just, and no time for lace and gin parties. If we are going to stop these scandalous problems they need to be addressed at formation.

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Now that’s an interesting comment about Oscott. Compromised staff ? Need for a firm hand ? I wonder if Longley will take any notice of that and grasp the nettle ? I doubt it. I think he will do the easiest and least troublesome thing and not rock any boats. He doesn’t like confrontation or difficulty. So, the next rector will probably be some kind of anything goes nonentity and the place will carry on in its mediocre and somewhat dysfunctional way.

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Yes, at least two have a same-sex attraction and their contemporaries will tell you that they never attempted to conceal it. One was certainly not celibate during his formation. I imagine it must be a source of constant conflict being in such a role. But people change, and sometimes for the better. One of the staff was a young curate in the 80s and used to bomb about in a beige Ford Capri and leather jacket. He was whisked off for further studies according to a permanent deacon who worked alongside him because of ‘woman problems’. He was incredibly handsome back then. In his case it worked and he seems to have won that particular battle. He is a spiritual and good priest. So amid all the sadness and failings, God’s grace can transform those willing to accept it.

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12.17pm
Why not appoint the Vice Rector, who is now acting? I do not understand why has not been appointed already.

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Keane is a ‘wet’ and used to act like an extra from Brideshead revisited. If Longley doesn’t want reform then he would be ideal. I have had no recent contact with him so he may have changed.

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The New Spiritual Director from September is Monsignor Thomas Millar from Motherwell in Scotland.
A very Holy man who will not be into lace and gin

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The century that the churches, seminaries and convents were full? That century?

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11.50: So what if Ciaran got Donnybrook…So f*****g what Buckbitch? You are a serial trouble maker, a horrible, nasty person. You are moving further away from Christ every day. You are trash genre! Totally.

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Didn’t you gleefully wish that certain people would “die roarin’ ” and become “toast” in Hell?

I never wish such things on human beings, @ 12.38. Why do you?

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5.52
may devotions do not need restored they have never gone from the Catholic Church as the Catholic Church has a great devotion to Our Blessed Lady.
And in October we devout it to the Holy Rosary.
Also the Catholic Church has many shrines to Our Blessed Lady.
Return to the Truth faith and you will miss nothing
Ave Maria.

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5:28pm

We’ve heard that before, but what else is he into. Who are you to say he’s very holy many said that about Kitty O’Brien and we all know how holy she was. Night Prayers anyone.

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5.28
We have never had a Kitty O’Brien is that one of your camp things.
Monsignor Millar is well respected in Our lady of Good Aid Cathedral and now in Our Lady of Lourdes East Kilbride and should have been a Bishop but Bill Nolan got it.
You would not like the Monsignor as he does not do camp with lace and he may regret going to Oscott

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That photo featuring a Romanist’s blessing weapons of Mass destruction: where’s the bit about loving enemies and not repaying evil with evil?

Don’t see J of N anywhere there? But then, Jesus wouldn’t have followed the Magisterium; you know, the authoritative and sacred teaching body of the Roman Catholic Church.😕

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12:55am

Imagine the likes of you using The Holy Name, you’ll pay for that. Our Lord himself said Depart from me ye cursed into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Was He taking about you, perhaps.

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@1.08, denying your own sins won’t relieve you of them; only I can do that.
But first, you must admit them (confess), resolve never to commit them again, and then make restitution for them.
As you sinned publicly (on this blog), then you must apologise publicly (on this blog).
Your words were deeply offensive and not of my spirit; they were evil.
You need apologise to those upon whom you wished such harm.

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Mr Martinelli looks like Mr Aidan Keenan when he was young (though Aidan was no bum-bandit, I hasten to add😲).

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1:21pm
I make no apology for wishing that the disciples of satan get their just deserts, after all it’s only Divine Justice and what Our Holy Redeemer Himself promised, as stated above.

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Then, my beloved, you are not my disciple.
The choice one way or the other is always yours. So, too, are the consequences of your choice.
The Son of Man finds fewer and fewer places these days to rest his pierced head.

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Regardless of the potential outcome of this particular case let us look at the learning.
Incidents a 28 year old did between 2017 and 2012 mean we are considering the actions of a person from 14 to 19. The context is one where
1. while going through puberty he was placed in a training system that was to determine his commitment for marriage, sex, work, housing, freedom and obedience.
2. The age of consent in Italy is 14 years, with a close-in-age exception that allows those aged 13 to engage in sexual activity with partners who are under the age of 18, provided that the age gap between them is less than 3 years. (this is a quote of wikipedia).
We know nothing of LG but his initials. Was he within the three year age of Martinelli?
Questions:
1. Is Martinelli a priest due to vocation or institutional programming of him while he was a child?
2. Were the alleged incidents something between two legally consenting persons that then went sour?
3. Most importantly; why were either of them there in the first place? They were too young to be freely making the required decisions for lifelong commitment that seminary requires – even if they had reached the legal age of sexual consent.
Learning:
1. If we keep allowing people who are not grown up enough to make these types of decision the scandal will continue.
2. If we truly believe in the concept of vocation then we do not need to brainwash children in pre-seminaries.
3. Whether we accept ‘sowing wild oats’ or not before people arrive at seminary the fact of the matter is that people should at least have had the opportunity to sow those oats (or not sow them as the case may be) so that they are making informed, mature decisions when they commit to seminary life.

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Are you slow-witted?

Martinelli is denying ANY sexual activity on his part, even the possibility of consensual sex with LG.

So what’s with all the hypotheticals?😕

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Of course he’s slow witted.
We know full well why anyone enters the notionally celibate priesthood which isn’t – for an easy life without wondering where the next meal is coming from, unearned respect and a veneer of respectability to cover up whatever peccadilloes ‘Father’ has.

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@2.40 and 2.56 I may be slow to rush to judgement but I am not as slow-witted as some who replied to my comment.
@2.56 you especially attribute much to a 14 year old mind, while missing my point.
@2.52 good point. Thank you. Sadly this means it may even be harder to prosecute.

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No it allegedly took place in Vatican City microstate. The age of consent was apparently 12 until 2013 when it went up to 18. It is in many ways the Florida of Europe.

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The guy “ blessing’ the weapons. What the f++k is that all about. I wonder what stole fee he got for that.

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1:39pm

Oh Annie he probably didn’t get enough for that blessing, I suppose you could always crowd fund for him. You’re language shows you’re not a lady. tut tut!

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Those weapons in the pic look as though they belong to an American gun club; they are too motley to be military stock.

Everyone of those rednecks in the background is probably a member or supporter of the NRA (National Rifle Association) and votes Republican.

Trust a Catholic priest to align himself with such arch- conservatives. (Wasn’t it religious conservatives who had Jesus murdered by crucifixion? And to think that some, even now, maintain that Jesus founded this filthy institution, ‘corrupt, and riddled with corruption’.😨)

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2.51
Hate speech by the usual offender from the six counties. If the same were predicated of another religious group there would be civil consequences.

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Romanist priests aren’t a religious group, you ignorant fool.

CATHOLICS are.😩

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Now, this should be the kind of discussion /debate we should be having:\\https://www.thetablet.co.uk/blogs/1/1750/same-sex-blessings-and-the-cdf-how-to-recognise-a-tantrum

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Lol but surely the adult commenters here are giving the said tantrum the attention it deserves?!

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Southwark have two auxiliary bishop posts vacant and is expecting an episcopal vicar to be caretaker in at least one of the three Southwark patches (south east London). Bishop Hendricks has south west London and a monsignor is covering Kent.
So perhaps Philip Whitmore will be sent to help Southwark, if Westminster is waiting until Elsie finally throws in the towel – before appointing a west London auxiliary.

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Yawn. More unimportant matters of import only to clergy wondering who they will next have to suck up to.

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No, no, no. What a short-sighted opinion, unworthy of a reasonable person. Bishops lead us. We are obliged, nay, required to honour them. This is a matter of utmost importance to all.

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Yes, 5.52, honour them with all thy might.
And when they burst into holy flames from their purity of heart, douse those flames with an abundance of thine own water.
Amen.

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@ 4.09pm
What on earth are you talking about? You know little or nothing of value about the subject. One of the auxiliary posts will be filled by Mgr. Canon John O’Toole, who was moved specially from the Bishops’ Conference to take charge of Kent. It makes little sense to argue that Whitmore, a Westminster priest, will go to Southwark. Wilson would not want him and he dislikes South London. In any case, East Anglia rather than any other location is his most likely post. All this talk abut auxiliaries for Westminster after Elsie has left is utter tripe. Clearly, you are poorly informed about matters.

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If Bishop Sherrington goes to East Anglia that will create a vacancy in Westminster and with Nichols going they would not fill it until the new guy is in Westminster.
Ask Parkside that’s where the decisions are made to go to Rome not Westminster.
Bishop Hendricks could end up in East Anglia.
The priority is Glasgow as it is vacant and a Metropolitan See

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The Mighty Wilson was an auxiliary in Westminster, before his double-promotion. Position still vacant. Do away with auxiliaries (which Frankie dislikes) and let the Deans or PPs do the confirmations.
Wilson is fond of saying: “You can take the man out of Yorkshire, but you can’t take Yorkshire out of the man!”
Betting is hotting up on East Anglia: Sherrington; Hendricks; Whitmore; Hopes til he’s 80.

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5:37
I hope Jim S. doesn’t bet on the horses. His comments on who will be appointed a bishop and to what post displays a complete lack of the intricacies of the process. He’s a perfect example of the less one knows the more one speculates – not advisable on horses or bishops.

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Buckkey: You didn’t print my response earlier to the first Jesus comnent…Too hard for you to grasp…brought a mirror to your flawed, petty, nasty behaviour.. You, Pat, need as a priority to grasp JESUS as you are NOT OF CHRIST. We have only one CHRIST…and you ain’t he!!

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Because he, she or it has swallowed the party line that you should just let everything go on around you and ignore even crime. Unless of course ‘Father’ is frightened of appearing on this blog himself!

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Lol this makes me laugh when cathbots make out that when Bishop Buckley criticises their cult he is making himself out to be perfect or god. The only people making themselves out to be gods are the freaky Roman he-virgins. Who aren’t gods. Or virgins lol

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I can see why he does conservatives’ heads in, particularly Anglo-Saxon ones, because of the way he can happily say something different straight after agreeing with the CDF!

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@5.06.
Thank you for drawing attention to this. It was an admirable action on your part. I do hope Francis was speaking in the vein you suggest. Sapientia ultra verba loqui ad flores admiratione.

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5:54
Plucking a biblical sentence out of its context and transferring it to another is neither sensible or wise.

One thing is certain: the condemnation of love between two people was not what the author of Second Timothy was thinking about in these verses.

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How in the name of Matusalem can anyone extrapolate from Pope Francis’ remarks a distancing of himself from that CDF document? Frankie signed the bloody thing; he knew what he was doing.

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8.38

Okay. He assented to it. And that is now public knowledge.

Either way, he has endorsed its contents.

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8.37

Wishful thinking by yours truly?😕

How did YOU extrapolate that from MY remarks?

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Auld Gossip Alert ‘@8:56pm

Sadly you’re wrong as usual Mother, all over Rome The Latin Mass is celebrated in many Churches and always in the Private Chapel of His Eminence Raymond Cardinal Burke. Who would want to say Mass i The Vatican while it is populated by Fanny and his evil cohorts.

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9.47
That ‘oh’ suggests a frisson of anticipatory lascivious relish.
In future, be more diplomatic in such circumstances, with a mildly shocked but sympathetic ‘oooooh’.

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Ooohhh but I gather it was back in the early 1990s not long after + Alan Clarke had made him a monsignor. All very embarrassing at the time as it was splashed across the press. Francis is wise to reserve such honours to elderly clerics who have been tested.

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