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NORTHERN IRELAND PRIEST ACCUSED OF DRUGING AND RAPING A YOUNG MAN.

A young man in Northern Ireland has reported to the police – PSNI – that he was drugged and raped by a priest in a presbytery in the North.

He has given a detailed statement to the PSNI.

The PSNI press office yesterday confirmed the report:

“Police received a third party report on January 31, 2020 regarding an incident at an address in Xxxxxxxxx in May 2019.
Enquiries were conducted, however, no offences have been disclosed at this time. ends”

The young man says that the rape was witnessed by “seminarians past and present”.

The young man has been in touch with me for some time and decided to report the matter to the police on my advice.

Like all rape victims he is afraid that he will not be believed.

The past and present seminarians who he alleges witnessed the rape have been named to the police.

As these seminarians are believed to be homosexually active one wonders if they will cooperate with the police and tell the truth?

Two days ago I wrote to the accused priest and his bishop.

TO THE PRIEST:

Dear Xxxxx,

I have been contacted by a young man who claims that you drugged and sexually assaulted him in 2019.

He has reported the matter to the PSNI and has made a detailed statement to them.

Today, the PSNI have confirmed that such a complaint was submitted.

I wanted to ask for your response to this allegation.

Sincerely,

+ Pat Buckley

NO RESPONSE.

TO THE BISHOP:

Dear Xxxxxx,

I’m a bit disappointed that I have not heard back from you about the Xxxxx Xxxxxx allegation.

The PSNI have confirmed that an incident was investigated:

“Police received a third party report on January 31, 2020, regarding an incident at an address in Xxxxxxxxx in May 2019.

Enquiries were conducted, however, no offences have been disclosed at this time”.

I am in contact with the alleged victim.

Do you know about this allegation and have you looked into it.

It concerns the gravest of matters and if true or partiallly true, rules the accused absolutely unsuitable for ministry.

You really need to clarify your knowledge and course of action on this matter.

Sincerely yours,

Your brother bishop,

+ Pat

NO RESPONSE.

IRELAND

The Irish Catholic Church is bursting to the seams with filth and corruption.

I know I’m a voice crying in the wilderness.

RAPE VICTIM SUGGESTS I CONTACT EX SEMINARIAN BRENDAN MARSHALL.

“Have you ever tried contacting Brendan Marshall? He works for the BBC now. He gets some negativity on your blog now and again but I know him personally via other people. I actually reached out to him and he was very persuasive towards me contacting the bishop and the police and he was serious about it. I was very surprised as both Xxxx and Brendan are friends.

We spoke about your blog at the time and he told me that he didn’t know you, but interestingly told me that you were right in what you were doing as it has cleaned up the church and he seemed very much against priests in Armagh living double lives and was shocked to hear what I was telling him about my own experience.

You should perhaps try and get in contact with him and chat. Something tells me, he might speak to you about Armagh”.

I EMAIL BRENDAN:

Brendan,

A young man who alleges rape by a priest told me he talked to you.

He thought we should discuss his case?

Pat

BRENDAN REPLIES:

But, for now, at least, I’m all there is 👀

****** LISDOONVARNA

PLEASE CONTACT ME ON

0044 7488 374364

bishopbuckley1@outlook.com

176 replies on “NORTHERN IRELAND PRIEST ACCUSED OF DRUGING AND RAPING A YOUNG MAN.”

I truly hope that the young man is recovering (if that is the right word) from this vicious and cowardly alleged attack. It will help him, I hope, if the accused priest is charged AND if those seminarians, even at this late stage, manage to find the decency to come forward and tell the truth.

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If they don’t come forward I think it is vital that Bishop Pat exposes them as the frauds that they are.

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Pat, it crossed my mind earlier this evening, you are unofficially leading the Catholic Church in Ireland- the only prophetic voice to be heard in the country.
Fair play, Pat.

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Well done + Pat. The News of the World used to be the fear of naughty clerics, but since that folded they have acted with gay abandon. No stone must be left unturned when exposing the vile behaviour of some errant clerics.

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The owner of this blog worked for the News of the World from 1994 until 2005 😊

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+Pat
Well done on this. While I often leave challenges to your blogs this is certainly a topic that needs to be uncovered. Keep up the good work.
Although I do wonder, why you named the Bishops in the South all week but let this little Kitten up North off the hook…

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@8.15
Thank you, I wasvthinkimg I am fairly chilled out already but we can never have enough reminders. I was really just wondering as to why the difference in approach.

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”But, for now, at least, I’m all there is”
Well, thank God you are there. If you weren’t, where would victims go? to whom would they turn without judgment and suspicion. At least with Buckley you will be believed, but more importantly, he will support you and talk with you. In fact, knowing Pat as I do, he would open his door to you. No one is turned away from the ‘inn’ at princess gardens, unlike the palatial homes of the RC Bishops.

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The current and former seminarians may flee to a non European country in order to evade civil authorities.

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Plea to the Master for no Evidence at the Scene:
Master, whatever might befall us…
Please let there be no evidence at the scene to incriminate us.
All Hail Ye. Live Long and Prosper.
All Hail Ye- The Master

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https://soulinformation.org/blog/spiritual-dynamics-in-abuse-scandals
https://soulinformation.org/blog/how-to-spot-a-toxic-leader
https://soulinformation.org/blog/navigating-the-murky-waters-of-abuse
https://soulinformation.org/blog/12-reasons-to-share-your-story
https://churchleaders.com/outreach-missions/outreach-missions-articles/389918-12-walls-that-prevent-abuser-survivors-from-ever-telling.html
Let us offer our sober-mindedness today for those who have been on the receiving end of untoward things in the name of religion, as well as those who have trapped themselves into dishing it out / colluding with latter.
Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done –
On earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread;
Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive them that trespass against us;
Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost;
As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end;
Amen.

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there is no such thing as ghost so the ghosts of the past are the horrendous issues the Church is facing today.
The Holy Spirit guides the Church and it’s people.
And us Catholics know how to say our prayers however happy paste and copy but out of date since 1962.
Tomorrow is Palm Sunday.

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Auld Gossip Alert @10:51am

Of course there are Ghosts, you being one them , you are forever haunting this blog with your ill-informed information, writing to Nuncio’s etc. Did you google to find out tomorrow was Palm Sunday, because let’s face it you don’t know who you are or where you are. God Bless.

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11.07
No I am doing the readings tonight and tomorrow as a server. for Palm Sunday.
I guess you are using the old canonical excuse your too old to attend so you will be a screen stats.
Hamish’s F Daughter will offer weekly the Holy rosary at your family grave as she is part of the SSPX and that assist me a modernist and Vatican two kid.

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11:07 am

Good morning, Bella.
No Mass on the box this morning, Bella.
Of course tomorrow is palm sunday.
Any tips for Aintree? With tiger bowed out of
the grand how do you reckon cloth cap might do??
Keep the faith.
God bless, Bella.

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11.07
Gambling is an addiction just like Alcohol and Drugs and yes call it a wee flutter but remember to take that splint out your own eye.
Repent and Believe the Gospel.

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Auld Gossip Alert@11:26pm
I see you’re still living in your fantasy world, there you is no way you would be serving anywhere, your reputation precedes you. Hamish F’s daughter whoever she is would never assist you in anything if she is a SSPX member.You may be modernist but hardly a kid ,at 60! is that another part of your mental condition that apart from not remembering who you are or where you are you can’t remember your own age!

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For clarification
1. “A young man in Northern Ireland has reported to the police – PSNI – that he was drugged and raped by a priest in a presbytery in the North.” So, from this I take it that the victim who says he has been raped has reported this incident to the PSNI himself, in person, encouraged by you ?
2. ““Police received a third party report on January 31, 2020 regarding an incident at an address in Xxxxxxxxx in May 2019. Enquiries were conducted, however, no offences have been disclosed at this time. ends” This PSNI communique indicates that it has been a third party report that has been investigated, therefore presumably it is not referring to the victim himself, whom is referred to in 1 ? If that is the case, who is the third party ? Is it one of the seminarians who are supposed to have witnessed the rape / assault ? Or is it + Pat who is the third party who has reported this incident to the PSNI ? In either case, it sounds to me as though the PSNI are not taking this very far – “no offences have been disclosed at this time”.
3. “The young man has been in touch with me for some time and decided to report the matter to the police on my advice.” Does the “young man” refer to the victim of the assault / rape ? If so, has he now reported the matter to the PSNI on his own behalf, or is he still thinking about it ?
4. “The past and present seminarians whom he alleges witnessed the rape have been named to the police.” Have the PSNI had any contact with these past and present seminarians who are said to have witnessed the rape / assault ? Have they been interviewed as material witnesses ?
5. In your letter to the priest who is alleged to have committed the rape / assault, you write: “He has reported the matter to the PSNI and has made a detailed statement to them.
Today, the PSNI have confirmed that such a complaint was submitted.” Does the PSNI confirmation refer to the same PSNI statement that “no offences have been disclosed at this time” referred to in paragraph ! ?
I have to say that from my reading of this, it does not seem as though this will go very far with the PSNI or the prosecuting authorities, Besides the fact that so few assaults / rapes ever make it past the rather high bar for in depth investigation and then prosecution, it just feels as though there are too many reluctant and elusive players in this matter – the seminarian who was assaulted / raped afraid of not being believed or compromised in other ways, the past and present seminarian witnesses who will have all sorts of other considerations, mostly selfish, and no doubt a whole range of other players and actors who have a vested interest in this matter going away.
However, there is something flashing a strong red light here, and I would have thought the Church bishops and superiors who have the responsibility of overseeing this priest and these seminarians, from both managerial, authority, and pastoral responsibility, need to get in there and make sure that this matter is clearly opened up and acted on. It is just inconceivable that priests and seminarians who have been caught up in some sexual assault / rape which is being talked about should be able to carry on regardless and the matter just brushed under the carpet. That would be an abrogation of all responsibility on their part. I suspect, though, that they will do all in their power by closing this down as quickly as possible, firstly by just ignoring it and hoping it will go away, and then by using the tried and tested moving of these characters to retreat centres, counselling centres, MIA status or anything else to get them out of the picture until things have settled down and they ease them back in under the radar. Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.
That is why, even imperfectly, we need + Pat to keep this sort of thing above the radar.

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9.05
You must be from the old Church as your blog is a bit out of date.
However I agree the PSMI is taking very little action and need forced into action.

Bishop cannot just sack clergy without reasonable excuse both canonically and morally so they need proof and third party reporting is excellent however the victim needs to come forward as well.

Believe it or not people fall in love with clergy and some stalk clergy the Church has got to ask the police at times to ask people to stop stalking the clergy usually sexually motivated.

Sadly the days for a Bishop having clergy MIA, on retreats or counselling services has gone the church cannot afford it and also there is a victim in the centre of this who is seeking justice not a cover up.

I have a feeling this is going nowhere due to the PSNI involvement that is over a year and alleged rapes should be addressed in a few months not years even although it can take the victim years to come forward PSNI and the Guards have weeks to clear this up to get the alleged perpetrator off the streets.

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AuldGossip Alert @11:03pm

Sadly she is at it again with her ill-informed advice. I have a feeling it’s because of her own dealings with the Police she feels confident to impart her wisdom so sad.

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I hope all these notifications also go to the apostolic nuncio. You wouldn’t want the priest’s name to appear on the terna as a possible bishop.

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10.13
You would not want a weak Bishops name going on the terna for the Archdioceses of Tuam in April and also Bishop Kelly is 75 in May.

And remember the Boys club will be saying to Archbishop Okolo all is rosy so it is important Archbishop Okolo is kept up to speed.

You would laugh at their Ad Limina where they say about the thousands in their dioceses what they don’t say but only an average percentage attend.

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How did the seminarians witness a rape? Did they all sit there and watch it like some sort of sick initiation?
I am guessing the diocese is xxxxx Would the priest be young or old Pat?

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Armagh Diocese is horrific. Eamon Martin betrayed so many with his vow to protect and shelter Stephen Wilson. 🏳️‍🌈👥

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This, if true, is sheer and utter depravity. How on earth did it get to the stage that such criminal degenerates are getting ordained – and lining up to be ordained – by absolutely worthless, useless bishops and archbishops – some of whom are very possibly compromised themselves?

God help us and clear all of them out from whatever position or rank they hold. This is sickening. This is calculated, planned and deliberately perpetrated EVIL!

This was no “crime of passion” (not that “passion” would make it any less excusable). This pervert “priest” obtained a drug that would incapacitate this young man whom he had targeted.

He then administered that drug to his victim. And he had an “audience” to his raping this young man who did NOTHING and, it would appear, enjoyed the “show”.

It’s nauseating and horrific beyond words. I truly hope that the young man receives justice and that this demonic cleric and his acolytes are exposed and experience the full force of the law.

The archbishop/bishop, who is deaf, blind, mute and paralysed, also needs to be shown for the inert incompetent that he is and ousted.

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A reality check for you. It has not got to this stage – the bishops have been ordaining and protecting criminals for decades. It’s another normal day.

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We know the identity of this priest. He has been the subject of previous blogs. His diocese and Ordinary too we know.
It’s not too hard to figure out at least two of the seminarians (past and present).
All of the above are regulars among the ‘dramatis personae’ on this blog.
This is the “big train coming down the tracks”, towards a certain prelate in a northern diocese, at which PB recently hinted.

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And, of course, many ‘good’ priests know who this accused priest is, too…but, like all ‘good and courageous’ priests, have closed ranks to protect the man.
Know this, cathbots: THIS IS THE EVIL YOU ARE FUNDING EVERY TIME YOU DONATE TO THIS INSTITUTION, ‘CORRUPT, AND RIDDLED WITH CORRUPTION’.

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I predict that, just like the Bareback Purcell case, nothing will ever come of this. We will hear nothing more about it.
UNLESS, concerned priests and laity themselves raise merry hell and demand action in that diocese and denounce their incompetent and effete excuse for a “shepherd” to Rome and demand his replacement.
The PSNI are going to do NOTHING! They are going through the motions. This will be shelved.
Unless the true priests and good laity rise up together, this devil in a collar will continue “ministering”.
The sick and evil bastards, who enjoyed the depraved “performance”, will get ordained.
And the inept clown who sits on the Cathedra, who should never have been appointed in the first place, will continue to ingloriously reign.
And, all the while, there is a young man who was violated in such a horrific manner, who will have to try and live and cope with his trauma.
For God’s sake, for once in your lives, STAND UP FOR YOURSELVES!!!

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@12:34 – 11:26 speaking to you here. YOU AND YOUR ILK HEAR NOTHING!!! And that is the huge problem. You and your ilk are deaf, blind, inert and mute. I say to you and your kind – EPHPHATHA!

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12.34
Another whining Romanist, whose priorities are obvious from his post.
Christ-betrayer, and social parasite.

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Dear Pat, I haven’t been on the page for a long time but remember you in my prayers today. How are the Little Brothers doing? I hope well. Can I write to them with a prayer intention? Happy Easter greeting

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Armagh is in a mess from all the illicit revelations regarding Eamon’s Clergy and his Maynooth Seminarian.

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So much pain, abuse and concealment within the ranks of Eamon Martin. Will Eugene Sweeney lead a coup d’etat against Ryan, Emlyn and Stephen Wilson.

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11.42
he has NO reason not to ordain him after all Archbishop Eamon asked for the proof of wrong doing and sadly Archbishop Eamon is still awaiting the proof.
Ara Coeli think this is a seminarian who has been rejected for the Priesthood.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_John_Brown

“Green shoots”

The new generation of Catholics, some of whom are studying for the priesthood at St. Patrick’s College, the national seminary in Maynooth, or the Pontifical Irish College in Rome, will “lead the church forward into the next decade,” he said. Young Catholics represent what is best in the tradition of Vatican II, “the idea of communicating the ancient unchanging faith in a new, vibrant and attractive way,” he said

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11:50am
“Green Shoots” you’re having a laugh, no wonder the idiot Brown was sent to Albania and now The Philippines, not exactly promotions. To say that some who are studying for the priesthood at Maynooth or The Pontifical Irish College in Rome which is due to close would lead The Church forward into the next decade is risible What is best in the tradition of Vat.II the idea of communicating the ancient unchanging faith in a a new vibrant and attractive way.
Its changed so much as to be unrecognizable to previous generations. You only need to follow this blog to see there are no Green Shoots but plenty of weeds which need to be destroyed.

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Someone mentioned The Giants Ring near Belfast recently in relation to the six counties
being called sex counties in clerical circles. What happens at The Giants Ring?

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Priests go there looking for cock and sex. It’s an alfresco cruising ground. On any given day you will have a clutch of priests there from around Belfast and further afield looking for extra curricular activity. Fact.

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What’s the story with Lisdoonvarna? I know the former Redemptorist and his housekeeper tried to do Conor in, along with several other priest’s as mentioned here before.

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+ Pat, you should just name this rapist priest, and stand by your naming him. He will not come after you because he knows that what you say is true and that he will have to lie in court, and will end up in prison if not for rape then at least for perjury. Name him, shame him, out him, and ensure that he is moved on and out of the priesthood. It is shocking that somebody who behaves like that is allowed to carry on ministering and celebrating the sacraments. With allegations like this, even without them reaching a criminal standard, any other organisation / institution / profession would take action. If only because his very presence is bringing them in to disrepute. Protecting him, hiding him, condoning him does not help anybody. Not even him in the long run.

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I agree with much you say and am considering every option.

The victim is my first concern and I need to move at his pace.

I assure you I will not let this go.

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Yes, + Pat, of course you need to have consideration for the victim, I totally understand that. And, I’m aware that perpetrators are aware of that too, and play on it, and use it as a means of the truth being delayed or avoided. But, yes, the victim must come first.

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Thank you for your understanding. This priest has a history of bad behaviour.

I promise you I will stick with this.

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Yes, the victim needs to be remembered in all of this, but I think it’s also important to beware of the fact that there may be other unknown victims who will never come forward, and who may only come forward if the identity of this disgusting priest is revealed. There is a greater good that needs to be considered as well. I know Bishop Pat will do what is right.

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Why do people always start on about safeguarding?
There is no safeguarding issue here as such. Safeguarding is about children and vulnerable adults. Seminarians are not likely to be objectively vulnerable adults and what is alleged is a crime and should be treated as such.
What should be happening is that the bishop when informed of the allegation should have suspended the priest pending the police investigation and should be starting an investigation under canon law afterwards.
The safeguarding people would rightly tell you to report it to the constabulary.

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3:19 pm
In my profession, there are guidelines, procedures, or a process to follow,
when such a serious allegation is made against a professional colleague.
It immediately kicks-in for obvious reasons.

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3.42
We are the same Diocesan operation manuals and of course it all goes back to Canon Law.
And if you are an active member then you will know Pastoral Councils, Diocesan Councils and the Council of priests are all part of the set up.

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3.42pm
Sir, madam, you describe yourself as a professional. How can be accept that? We have no idea if you speak with the quasi-institutional valour of a member of a profession or any old scallywag chewing gum. Further information would release you from this questioning. I suggest you provide it.

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3.42pm
Sir, madam, you call yourself a member of a profession. How do we know the truth of your statement. You could be any old scallywag. Could I suggest that in future you provide rather more detail when commenting on this blog, freeing yourself of the risk of allegations of the hue I have levelled. Thank you

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3.19
Abuse of power makes a seminarian vulnerable.
So that is where safeguarding comes into play..
The Bishop being informed is no use in canon law he needs statements and victims must be willing to stand by their allegation. (you cannot say oh I told you)
The minute the police is involved they must stand down from active parish ministry.
rape is the second serious crime in law after murder.

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For the umpteenth time no. A seminarian is not legally vulnerable because of being a seminarian.
I do honestly know what you mean about the power thing but assuming the seminarian is adult and has nothing which would legally make him vulnerable this is not a safeguarding.
What it is is a crime and a disciplinary matter. The easy way to tell whether it is a safeguarding is to think what would happen in any other work place. In this case what I said above of suspension and disciplinary for the alleged perpetrator is what would happen.
Tell you what…. Do a safeguarding for this and see what happens.

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4:19 pm
There is a massive power differential between seminarian, priest and bishop. This means a seminarian is potentially very vulnerable depending on the situation. However, does the bishop and diocese have a legal duty of care to a seminarian?

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3.19 pm drugging and raping someone is not a safeguarding issue?? Oh please get real. If this is reported to a safeguarding commission and they do not instantly request the bishop to place the priest on administrative leave till the matter is investigated, then such commissions are a waste of space.

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4.19
A Dioceses has no responsibilities to a Seminarian until Diaconate.
So a seminarian would be class as vulnerable if the power of the priest or rector.
Sadly people not involved in safeguarding do not understand there is more to safeguarding that the learning disability or physical disability there is the POWER aspect.
And we see this with clergy who think they have power over the lay members off staff which makes the member of staff vulnerable.

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3.19
Safeguarding teams in every dioceses and Nationally take it very serious.
However it comes down to evidence and people taking action not saying they did or were going to.

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@5:21 this is even funnier. You can have no conceivable grounds to say that the rector is being coercive. You see some of us, unlike you, understand safeguarding.
A seminarian has voluntarily engaged in the conditions of a seminary which are not wildly unusual for education establishments.
This is not a matter for safeguarding lol.

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4:35 no it isn’t. If that happened in the workplace it wouldn’t be a safeguarding.
Do you seriously think it would?

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A seminarian is classed, by law, as a vulnerable adult for the very reason they are under the charge and care of a Bishop or pastor. Did you not know that, 3:19 pm?

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@5:55 Lol you are the funny one. All employers have a duty of care to their employees and we all have a common law duty of care to visitors to our homes. This is the care you refer to and does not make visitors,employees or seminarians vulnerable (or rather at risk) adults.
Rather people become vulnerable because of something in themselves such as a learning disability or illness.
Now when you say that seminarians may be considered vulnerable because they are fool enough to submit themselves to the church, then you may be talking 🤣
I repeat what I said – if you are bothered enough put in a safeguarding and be proved wrong.

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5:21pm

A diocese has no responsibilities to a seminarian until diaconate in canon law.
In civil law , a seminary, diocese and bishop, surely has a duty of care to seminarians.

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To the people above, the imbalance of power you talk about would not be legally recognized.
Sadly in this case unless the alleged witnesses testify against the alleged perpetrator it is unlikely this will reach a conviction for rape.
Just for information if you are ever raped what you should do is contact the police immediately and do not wash or clean yourself in any way.
The questioning is horrible and invasive, you will be swabbed where you have just been raped, but most legal systems require a high level of proof for a conviction.
If the alleged rape today actually happened but doesn’t get convicted Pat is still right to steer it to the police because of the record it leaves. Criminals can tend to offend more than once.
Sorry for the detail but nobody is told these things.

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2:21 If so, it is scandalous. What about the application of guidelines in such situations?

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Sigh. Once again I will outline action to take but without any confidence you will. Since it is clear that the clergy won’t put themselves out, it is dependent on laypeople.
Stop giving money.
Simple as that. Put a note in the plate every time saying why and what you want to see happen. Send a copy to the bishop.
And stop listening to them whining they’ve got no money – these men spend hundreds of thousands on stuff for their Episcopal palaces that you will never know the like of in your own homes. They tend not to have much in the way of ready cash despite having investments up to their ears so believe me if enough people start this you will notice an effect very quickly.

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Gosh the OP is a shocker – drugging and then raping – within the criminal justice system a few notches down from murder – so awful, so terrible and the accused a Catholic priest – a Parish Priest?
Rapists don’t where condoms – what are the chances he’s got a STD?
The poor victim will need to get tested for peace of mind.
Is the accused still saying Mass and preaching (turns the stomach)?
Is Amy a homosexual – then the rapist is in the parish and will receive even more protection?
What are the chances that the accused has done this before?
Martels book In the Closet is a fantastic and disturbing expose of the sociologicaly homosexual priesthood / his book brings into the light the rampant homosexuality- rent boys, chem sex parties, orgies but he doesn’t touch on male rape which must of course go on given the power disparity at play.
I am grateful that Bishop Pat is a courageous crusader and defender of victims of this awful and truly shocking form of abuse.
Makes you think how many seminarians have been raped by priests but are too ashamed (and traumatised) to speak about it or report it.

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Catholics need to awaken to the terrible danger they are harbouring.

Never, EVER, allow your child to be alone with a Romanist priest.

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This is utterly ridiculous.
Safeguarding must be completely independent of the Church for everyone’s sake.

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Have you read the the latest newspapers about Private schools in London and generally throughout England.? Yes, even local authority schools. A school in Highgate, London has been the catalyst for a new movement has been set up similar to the “Me too Movement” about sexual abuse of women. This school is NOT RC.
Even the police officers up and down the country are or have been prosecuted for all sorts of sexual crimes.
No creed, no cast, no family and no class is exempt from the sins of this world. All of it very sad and tragic.
The whole thing seems to be out of control like the covid virus.
You are tarring many good priest with the same dirty brush.
You really need to watch the news and read the papers a bit more often.
Should any child be alone with you?
Garngad Lad

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Garngad lad, yes of course you are right. however when abuses by a certain group are under focus a common means of derailing them is to refer to other groups.
This has the effect of taking the focus off the group in question and is unfortunately likely to normalize abuses.
This blog focuses on RC corruption abuse and criminality and there are other forums to talk about abuse in, say Methodist or Southern Baptist churches.
I am sure that you would not want to divert from Pat’s attempts to get the RC church to behave like a civilised body.

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@4:24 Given the RC church’s inflated image of itself it is completely fair to expect it to be better than the rest of the world:
‘Often, too, the Church is called the building of God. The Lord compared himself to the stone which the builders rejected, but which was made into the corner-stone. On this foundation the Church is built by the apostles and from it the Church receives solidity and unity. This edifice has many names to describe it: the house of God in which his family dwells; the household of God in the Spirit; the dwelling-place of God among men; and, especially, the holy temple. This temple, symbolized in places of worship built out of stone, is praised by the Fathers and, not without reason, is compared in the liturgy to the Holy City, the New Jerusalem. As living stones we here on earth are built into it. It is this holy city that is seen by John as it comes down out of heaven from God when the world is made anew, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.’ CCC 756

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@3.32pm You ask too many silly questions and you are a gullible fool. You are like a grandmas nightie, it covers everything.

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4.24

Good priests? Name them, you blithering idiot!

How many of these so-called ‘good’ priests have publicly and openly challenged the episcopate of the Roman Catholic Church?

Name them!

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It makes me laugh when sacristy lice try to taunt Magna Carta with their delusion that he wasn’t found suitable for ordination. Even if it were true, it would be a matter of pride, because just look who they judge suitable! 😮
Well done on getting out when you did, mate, so a good man wasn’t stuck in a den of criminals.

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@ 4:24 pm
Lad, what are you going on about? Are you minimizing? Does it make what Catholics do okay ? The sin of cover up is okay? Explain yourself?

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I have already explained myself. If you have the bit between your ears read and understand what I have said.
The sexual abuse of vulnerable adults and children is utterly abhorrent by any section of society. Have YOU got the message?
Garngad Lad

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6.38

So you cannot name the so-called ‘good’ priests. You plucked that piece of misinformation right out of your clerically deferential small head.

Hold the show! Have I just implied of you what I’m now thinking?

That you’re a… LIAR?😕

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No Garngad lad, for decades as a matter of policy it was covered up and facilitated by the bishops of the RC church and not one blew the whistle. There’s a sector of society who don’t find it abhorrent.

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4:15: nail on the head. Well said.
When I look at some of the spineless former seminarian colleagues I left behind who are now working as clerics I see little change, and certainly little improvement. They’re still anaemic wasters taking advantage of their roman collar.

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2.52: You can continue whistling your hatred into the wind. People in parishes contribute generously to their priests and to their parish. Why? Because they see the commitment in service and ministry of their local priest. That’s why they contribute generously – and even more so during the pandemic. People are also aware of the groups, activities, programmes and material services provided for the good of their parish community by both parishioners themselves with priests and religious. We must never lose sight of this TRUTH. People, however much you try, will not respond d to your vengeful idea of incitement to hatred and ugliness of spirit. Thankfully, there are too many good people who won’t follow your silliness. I often wonder what you begrudgers do for your community? Thank God for very kind, caring and good parishioners and priests. Thank God.

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@4:37: The fact that some people in parishes “contribute to priests and parish” ( your words), is no proof that the RCC organisation is validly founded on indisputable religious truths. Evolution has fostered in many individuals a widespread human tendency towards cooperation and mutual sharing. The RCC, together with other organisations religious and otherwise, capitalises on that to advance their own agendas.
Good works are commendable but of themselves offer no proof that they are divinely inspired in an objective sense as opposed to the beliefs of those undertaking them.

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6.51: Kelvin, the Christian faith as founded on Christ’s gospel, which we have inherited, is the ideal and inspiration for what many “Christans” do. It is JESUS, WHOM WE BELIEVE TO BE THE Son of God, who underpins our lives as his followers. I find this vision and ideal of Jesus for humanity to be noble, worthy and essentially good for all. Arguing about whether commendable good works are divinely inspired is not an important one: what matters is that for millions of people, the Gospel of Christ and their belief in God inspires their commitment and dedication to making our world a more caring, just and better place. Anywhere in this world where there is strife, poverty, war, famine and horrendous hurt, you’ll find that hundreds of religious missionaries are at the centre of projects, initiated by them, to alleviate the poverty which grinds people into the ground. Many charities likewise have a christian/religious ethos….The gospel ideal of looking out for the stranger, the outcast, the unwanted, the suffering is indeed divinely inspired and millions are happy to express this TRUTH. “By their fruits, you know whose disciples they are…”

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Except, 7:28, that charities are regulated by the charity commission. The Roman church is regulated by apparently nobody and only engages with the standards of the world outside (such as safeguarding) when forced to. Your answer is a fantasy, which fails to engage meaningfully with the criminal reality of such things as the posts over the past few days. You may genuinely believe you have faith, but it’s empty and devoid.

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@7:28: Taking the beginning of your comment: your Christian faith is founded on a belief that a Jewish preacher who lived allegedly 2000 years ago is the God Creator of a universe we now know to have existed with millions of planets for millions of years. The only “proof” for such a ridiculous assertion is dependent on supposed ancient writings contentious in that the originals are not available, were allegedly written, rewritten /transcribed by “believers” (and inevitably massaged to accommodate their biases). Moreover then contemporary historical records eg Roman, which are still available, make no reference to this Jesus character or his supposedly miraculous activities.
Christian religious beliefs and the whole farrago of its institutionalised faith seems dependent on extremely shaky foundations. That adherents sincerely believe and in consequence undertake charitable works provides no evidence.
The burden of proof lies with religious believers.
MMM

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6:38 pm

That goes with saying. You’re sidestepping, Lad.

Is covering up for clerics to be condoned? Do me a favour ;define a ‘good priest’.

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9.19: What is your point? Rather worded very poorly. My faith in neither empty or devoid – it has inspired me to seek the highest of ideals, underpinned by the Gospel. Sorry to disappoint you, but I am grateful to God for the opportunities given to me as a priest to help many, many people in very difficult moments. For your information – all financial entities of the RCC are subject to scrutiny by revenue. All. You are obviously not an intelligent person. And – YES – of course I unequivocally condemn all criminal behaviour and wrongdoing. But, if it keeps you happy, continue to perpetuate the repeated LIES as this blog enunciates!!

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4.34pm
Sadly many good priests are tarred with the dirty brush you refer to – it’s a fact of life I’m afraid – it comes with the territory – but consider this; yes, child abuse, sexual misdemeanours and so on occur at every level of society but the Catholic priesthood, like no other profession, has become a by word for child abuse, cover up and a predominantly gay profession, unlike any other – the fault of a few bad apples? Or, in fact, a system, deeply embedded in its culture of celibacy and repressed sexuality. They (and I guess you too) best get usued to the tar because they will be tarred with this brush for many years to come.

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The Association of Catholic Priests are worse than the militants.
The old boys act comes into playas you know the Brotherhood.
They should ask themselves first what if that was my sister, brother, niece or nephew but they do not they think of the Brotherhood.
The ACP are shocking to call themselves priests.
.However they are busy in Killaloe trying to make the victims vulnerable so come on the courts got Carey wrong and the victim in Killaloe is wrong and Ger is right.
Think not some Bishops can see right through the ACP.
It may take time but every dirty dog will get their day.
One thing I and many would love Pope Francis to do is streamline Canon law procedure to get rid of the horrible clergy and protect the victim.

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Remember Fr Tim Hazlewood, who was in the papers the other day for taking a populist line on civil partnerships. He is one of the ACP priests warning against false accusations.

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Garngad Lad
This is all speculation as safeguarding is 24/7 by telephone or email and the service has never stopped even during the crisis.
Not one safeguarding team was furloughed and the only change was working from home.
To the doubters of the Churches safeguarding it is independent of the church controlled by LAW approved by Parliaments.
Do you all really think a safeguarding officer is going to risk themselves for the sake of the Church and end up in prison somehow I do not think so.

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Not all staff are practising Roman Catholics and others from different religions as in Employment Law you are not allowed to discriminate.

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Very Rev Canon Stephen Shield a cleric of the Lancaster diocese England was convicted and jailed of similar offences against a seminarian,

The Mirror reported the sordid details of Shield’s sex crime against the seminarian

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex-dean-lancaster-cathedral-stephen-shield-2923305

Shield continues to be listed as a serving priest of the Lancaster diocese with the usual c/o address

https://www.lancasterdiocese.org.uk/our-people-places/our-priests/

What exactly happens to such people after release from jail? Does the diocese take responsibility for them until the end of their days providing material support? Are people such as Shield recycled and reinvented to work in another capacity without people knowing of who they really are?

These are nasty crimes and may not be the only offences committed under the guise of the ‘good shepherd’.

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Canon Shield’s case is still with Rome. He served his time and I can reveal that the Judge was very surprised with the Jury’s decision so he gave the most minimal sentence. Canon Shields allegedly held a dinner party 30 years ago and put his hand down a seminarians trousers during the meal and masturbated him at the dinner table. Hardly seems credible to me. The seminarian, now ordained is known to be a trouble maker and fabricator. No other offences before or after. Should he be forgiven and return to ministry?

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7.02
Hardly seems credible that priest masturbated a seminarian at a dining table? Baloney!
A friend of mine told me that a priest at the funeral of her sister’s husband was rubbing his hand up and down the widow’s leg under a similar table. He has also sexually pestered my friend.
I spoke to the dirty Romanist bastardo by phone one evening when I heard that he intended to visit my friend; I made myself clear to the perverted scumbag, and he hastily hung up. But he didn’t give up. On a later occasion, I had to stay overnight at my friend’s house, so frightened was she that this parasite would turn up. Eventually, because of his persistence, we had to involve the PSNI, but the spineless so-and-so was tipped off and fled over the Irish border before the police could question him.

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7.02
No he is not fit for ministry he has been found guilty in a criminal court and also in the canonical procedure and he should have resigned the minute he came out the court.
And it will be costing a poor dioceses a lot of money for his keep and also for the appeal to Rome. (I take it your his friend)

“The seminarian, now ordained is known to be a trouble maker and fabricator” are you implying Bishop Paul is unfit for his office and cannot control his clergy well you are 100% wrong.
Maybe Bishop Paul is too caring for that nasty gossiping dioceses.

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Very Rev Canon Stephen Shield a cleric of the Lancaster diocese England was convicted and jailed of similar offences against a seminarian,
The Mirror reported the sordid details of Shield’s sex crime against the seminarian
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex-dean-lancaster-cathedral-stephen-shield-2923305
Shield continues to be listed as a serving priest of the Lancaster diocese with the usual c/o address
https://www.lancasterdiocese.org.uk/our-people-places/our-priests/
What exactly happens to such people after release from jail? Does the diocese take responsibility for them until the end of their days providing material support? Are people such as Shield recycled and reinvented to work in another capacity without people knowing of who they really are?
These are nasty crimes and may not be the only offences committed under the guise of the ‘good shepherd’.

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We heard you the first time.
His case is at Rome he appeal against Bishop Donoghue’s decision.
The same could happen with Carey of Killaloe as he is appealing.

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The Bishop of Lancaster, Rt Rev Michael Campbell said: “Please God with the passing of time, together with a purified and strengthened resolve by all to healing, reconciliation will be restored to those affected by this tragic episode in our local church of Lancaster.

So he should be kicked out.

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I wasn’t faithful to my promise of celibacy. it was reported (by someone who is still in the priesthood and I imagine still sexually active), I immediately resigned and was returned to the lay state some 5 years later. I have had nothing to do with the Church since. The person who they diocese suspected I was being unfaithful with is now my spouse. We have been together for 25 years. I was wrong. I got out and didn’t ask for a single euro of financial support. I can’t understand why people cling on. Get out whilst you’re young and live a fulfilling life. Living in darkness and deceit will only bring unhappiness. I was livid at the time, full of rage and self-pity but it was a blessing in disguise. I was ambitious, desperate to be named a monsignor, and outwardly pious, and materialistic. I look back now with sadness at my character all those years ago – but relief that I got out!

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Good man @8:54. Not for the first time I note that integrity is facilitated by leaving the church’s clutches.

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The correct spelling is Bishop O’ Donoghue of Lancaster (ex) @7.28pm. I hear he was a very two faced man. All that glisters is not gold.

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@8:54: Perhaps your most telling words are, “I have had nothing to do with the church since.”

Does this indicate that you realised at that time, or perhaps even before you left, that the whole RCC, church, priesthood, and religion, is all a huge load of codology?

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McCarrick, despite being a lay man, lives rent free in a Franciscan Friary with all his material needs met while his victims are told to go whistle.

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8:31 pm
‘Despite being a lay man’; there, in my view, is a big part of the problem- the preferential option for the priest by virtue of ordination, which, correct me if I’m wrong, is ‘enshrined’ in canon law. The fraternity comes first. But the protection of bad apples( in abundance) is rotting the entire barrel. Meanwhile, the good priests remain mute out of loyalty to their bishop, etc…

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By “despite being a lay man” I meant that he was not a member of the Franciscan religious community and had no canonical right to financial support or to live in the friary.

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7.92pm. Bishop Paul Swarbrick is a nice man and prayerful, however he has no idea about leadership. He gets several complaints about Revs Etienne and Billing every week and ignores them, hoping it will all blow over. Mark my words – these 2 are trouble with a capital T.

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7.52
Bishop Swarbrick is going to make changes in the dioceses once we come out of covid.
He has told them to expect changes however he is thinking of asking all in the dioceses the way forward.
Really it should go into Liverpool or Salford.

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The idea that bishops should be nice and prayerful gives us pious nonentities, such as Paul Swarbrick or Larry Duffy in Clogher, men who do not govern or teach but merely manage decline, albeit benignly.

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Gosh Etienne looks a prick. He’d be working in Poundland with a woolly fleece had the church not indulged him.

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But most importantly, Bishop Pat gave Brendan Marshall the opportunity to be a person of integrity. Brendan Marshall has chosen not to be such.

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He advised you to go to the police if you had any info. For Christ sake isn’t that your own advice. Neither he nor you are criminal investigators. Report what you know to the police. Its not rocket science is it ?

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Pat, surely there will be media interest in this given the nature of the alleged crime and police involvement?

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The bishops and priests remind me of MPs before the expenses scandal was exposed by the Daily Telegraph. MPs had been wildly abusing the expenses system for years and even the good MPs kept quiet about it. Attempts at self-regulation failed and it was only when the Daily Telegraph ran its explosive campaign that it finally stopped.

Pat is like the Daily Telegraph when it comes to the RCC. It’s no wonder the bishops hate him. In the old days Pat would have been up before the Inquistion long before now.

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LOL no people know by now to email or write to the Nuncio’s and Thankfully some are writing .It is important to let the Nuncio’s know what really is going on in the dioceses.
However those out side the Roman Catholic Church the FSSPX comes to mind is now run by a priest as the self ordained Bishops are too old. (the forbidden fruit).
I must be honest you view to keep quiet and save you Holy mother church has worked because the Brotherhood and the sheep stay together.
However where there is will there is away and bishop pat is the key player.

Waste of time advising anyone to write to us as they like their keyboard fame on this blog.

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There is no such thing as “a priest for ever” (except the laity, who haven’t got a “vocation”). And the CCC 756 extract / Rev ch. 21 don’t name Rome.

Worker “priests”, and deacons (and no “priests”) should have been explored soon after 1870.

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Ask Fintan Monaghan regarding this issue as his Former Seminarian was a victim of an unique experience in which no young male should ever experience. Second Person to contact is Kevin Connolly. Kevin will be more than willing to share his information, he is good at sharing his displeasure of Clogher Clergy and Kevin Heery of meath.

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Senior Armagh Priest. Dear Blog reader and comment writer, please take note his grace Archbishop Eamon Martin did initially suspend Stephen Wilson from formation from the Archdiocese pending a review. The decision was quickly changed as Michael Mullaney personally spoke to Eugene Sweeney at an undisclosed location and begged for the reinstatement of Stephen into formation. Pat I’m a Priest a long time and this Wilson dilemma is becoming more extreme each day.

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Brendan Marshall was kicked out and Stephen Wilson was retained. The questions of why still remains. Pat are you aware of the answer.

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Let’s be clear two specific reasons, Michael Mullaney and Richard Purcell. These Senior Priests have it in their interests to protect Wilson and his network .

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