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IS FR GER FITGERALD REFUSING TO MOVE FOR FINTAN MONAHAN?

Clerical sources in the Kilalloe diocese are claiming that Fintan Monahan asked Ger Fitzgerald to leave Cloughleigh parish over the female sex incident and that Ger is refusing to move!

Fintan

Furthermore, rougher elements in the Cloughleigh community are backing Ger and telling him to stand his ground against the bishop!

If this is true, it is a very challenging situation for Fintan.

If he lets Ger away with giving him the two fingers it destroys Fintan’s authority with all the other priests. Authority wise, Fintan is dead in the water.

Thats a very bad place for a bishop to find himself at the beginning of his episcopacy. Fintan is only 50s with 20 + years to go as a bishop.

If he stands up to Ger he has quite a battle ahead:

1. He needs to suspend Ger’s faculties immediately.

2. He needs to order Ger to to vacate the church property in Cloughleigh.

3. If Ger refuses, Fintan then has to go to court to evict him and send the Garda and baliffs into Cloughleigh to effect the eviction.

Cloughleigh is a rough estate where I imagine the Garda are not welcome.

Imagine 20 Garda and the bailiffs evicting Ger in front of Cloughleigh’s “best”.

There would be a massive riot.

Ger has spent years gathering the Cloughleigh crowd around him as his fan club.

FINTAN’S BIG TEST:

This is a big test for Fintan.

It could decide his whole future.

I do not wish this test upon him – foisted on him by a lecherous priest.

THE WOMAN:

In fairness, it has to be said that Fintan, the diocesan secretary Fr Nash and the diocesan safeguarding officer Cleo Yates, have acted very well with regard the woman in this story.

They have met her.

They have believed her.

They have offered some very practical support.

She herself, acknowledges their goodness and help.

I have been dealing with women involved with priests for 30 years now.

This is the best treatment I have seen for a woman by the diocese, the bishop and the diocesan staff.

PRIEST WHO MINISTERED TO ANOTHER WOMAN

Would the priest who commented on Thursday, saying he had ministered to another Kilalloe woman please make contact.

Even with Fintan, please.

135 replies on “IS FR GER FITGERALD REFUSING TO MOVE FOR FINTAN MONAHAN?”

10.35
Cloughleigh is not a parish it is an Oratory the Parish is Ennis.
Where do you see Cloughleigh mentioned in the Group of parishes.

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I have lost count of the of the amount of beatings and broken legs, windows blown in, gone down there, on a regular occasion, guards won’t even touch some of them of them ….

beautiful place, some beautiful people living there, but stop living in denial either…

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10:36pm

Get a grip, he’s anything but a good priest, he’s been a bit too beloved by too many. He has to be suspended a divinis immediately. If he refuses to go call the Guards to remove him from Church premises. He is a disgrace to The Sacred Priesthood.

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10.36
Not one who sleeps with vulnerable women.
He is a disgrace to himself and sadly to the sacred priesthood.
He should go now while he gets the chance.
If he is challenging his Bishop who he took vows to then he is in big bother.
Vow to obey me and my successor so Willie Walsh may have ordained him but it is Fitan Monahan’s Dioceses.

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He is a good priest, he would to anything for anyone, his homilies are the best by far and puts so much heart into his masses etc.

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It’s not what he puts into the Masses is the problem.

Its what he puts into the women.

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I’ve lived through “mob rule” in churches and it’s miserable. I wanted to hang out with people AND disagree with them. Out of seven factions, none represented me. Get praying please (prepare our souls for Ascension). Three Glory Be’s said.

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It was actually Kieran O’Reilly who ordained him. And he’s a no nonsense guy who would have suspended Ger by now. He was an absolute autocrat who ran Killaloe to the letter of Canon Law. People used to complain Kieran had no personality and was politely cordial with people. Fintan is like a county councillor out greasing palms, kissing grannies and babies and going to the opening of envelopes. Just sometimes shows the showman isn’t always the bestman when it comes to dealing with issues.

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I have lost count of the of the amount of beatings and broken legs, windows blown in, gone down there, on a regular occasion, guards won’t even touch some of them of them ….

Stop living in denial….

Ger? Good in what way?

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Fish & chips at the seaside whilst holding hands with your sweetheart can be a very romantic experience.
On the other hand, if a guy is buying you fish and chips then expecting to put his greasy hands up your blouse then he can get friggin’ lost! 🤣
And I hope she got Cod and not Pollock!
… I also hope she put her foot down and demanded a can of Fanta as well 🤣 x

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7.34
I agree with you about Fintan I have seen how he acts and maybe be okay as a Bishop’s Secretary although clerics should not be Bishops secretaries they should be in parishes.
Archbishop Kieran O’ Reilly maybe asked to go and sort this mess out by Rome as Fintan seems to be dragging it on and on.
Ger should have been suspended weeks ago and more so last week when he admitted it.

There are to many able Bishops to be promoted like Denis Nulty, Fintan Gavin, Michael Duigan and Martin Hayes they would have had Ger well out by now.

Denis Nulty has made big changes to the funeral liturgy with it has all to be within the context of the Liturgy and you have to save the rest for the Crematorium or the wake.

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If he is actually refusing to obey the reasonable request of his superior and the things are true with the women – what kind of man is getting ordained these days?!

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Asking -‘what kind of man is getting ordained these days?!’- is entering the Third Secret of Fatima territory. Who knows!

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My My!
This Godfellah really likes secrets! If, as they say, He created us to love and serve Him, why make it so bloody hard to see and hear Him? What kinda weird game is He playing with us , …..just to amuse Himself?
And all this jiggerypokery religion in His name? I mean who but a weird and wacky selfish megalomaniac on a power trip would conjure up such nonsense.
Over to you Bigfellah, and your supplicant and ever pliant cathbot defenders: do your worst!

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Genuine question. If Ger left the RCC, but refused to leave the presbytery and moved the lady in as his wife…. could he join The Oratory Society?

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Ger Fitzgerald is a fool if he is challenging a Bishop especially at 40 years of age his cards will be marked for years to come.
He has more chance winning the Lotto than beating the Church.
Has he no real Friends to advise him to just go on a retreat and contemplate his foolish behaviour.
“Phone a friend” Matthew Despard Motherwell Dioceses challenged the Bishop in May 2013 and he is still on garden leave and he did not sleep with parishioners he only spoke out against the Church.

So Ger Fitzgerald sleeping with parishioners and disobeying the Bishop Bye Bye.

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Not being funny but in bishops eyes Despard’s sin is the ultimate one crying to the episcopate for vengeance.

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Yes, ger loves the women down there too, especially the bold ones..
Wish him well on the rest of hes journey!

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Stalker alert. Just say what the fooking alleged Scariff incident was or STFU and stop reposting the same shit endlessly.

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Tim Dolan of New York has been on Facebook the last few days talking about traditional practices which are of course important when they express someone’s interior disposition. The focus yesterday was on beating the breast. It put me in mind of the quote from one of the sermons of St Augustine in which he mentions the echo in church when the people would beat their breasts during the liturgy. In the very rural part of south west Ireland where I first experienced church people would say ” we have enough craw-thumpers”. As scripture says “let your hearts be broken not your garments torn”. If Fr Ger doesn’t feel his sexual experience goes against his priestly vocation then he should just acknowledge his struggle and its consequences. Continuing his ministry with courage he could embrace the new moral freedom and credibility that it will bring.

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Dolan is a joke. He was rector of the North American College (NAC) in Rome when the VEC had to close down until it had sorted its problem with Legionnaires in the showers which killed a priest. The NAC hosted VEC seminarians who enjoyed sleeping around with American beefcake. The problems in his own seminary were just as bad as anywhere, though at least they were wise enough not to camp it up in public.

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Dolan isn’t to be trusted cos he moved monies that was designated for victims of abuse to a cemetery fund unreachable. That was when he was a Bishop who replaced Weakland in a different diocese.
That’s probably why he was promoted to cardinal. Also some of his other actions as regards to abuser priest which cardinal o malley reported him to the Vatican.

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Deny, Deny, Deny Ger, there is no proof against you. refuse to move on the grounds that it would be an admission of guilt. Knowing something is true and proving it are two different things, you can weather this storm. Look at Rawhide, he is still in situ, this strategy will work! Hold fast lad!

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Must admit it is a strategy that seems to work. Problem is that I understand from yesterday’s blog that he has already made an admission of guilt to the bishop. That in itself should have been enough for a suspension a divinis.

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Very foolish man to have admitted to anything. No evidence apart from texts that could have come from anyone.

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6.20
Do you find it hard to understand.
Ger has admitted it that he has slept around that is a dismissal.
Ger has made it 110% worse he is disobeying his Bishop.
So no matter how long it takes Ger will be the loser not Bishop Monahan.
The longer he holds on the worse it will be for Ger Fitzgerald.
He is domed and be costing the Dioceses a fortune and other Clergy will not be happy.

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Anto97X
father Ger has admitted to His Bishop he is a shagger full stop.
And now he is a compulsive LIAR

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stupidity runs in the family, so it seems, cop on ant, didn’t take long to replace him.

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Did Fr Ryan study in Germany? Isn’t it a good idea for a diocesan priest to take out a mortgage and purchase a property? Gives him some independence and an opportunity for downtime out of role.

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How would a priest get a mortgage for anything bigger than a shoebox? Do you know how much properties cost and how much priests earn? 🤔

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@11:15 yes we know both of these things.
I’m not 10:52 but since this blog keeps coming back to the dependence of the priest on the bishop, buying a property is one way to break that dependence. Obviously it would be more difficult for priests in England than in Ireland.
Also don’t look down on a shoebox – even a shoebox is a resource and an investment. Also tiny places are much cheaper to run.
Oh – it’s better to rent it out to cover the bills because empty property insurance is difficult unless you live in it a certain time a year.
If a priest literally can’t manage to get the deposit together he could use the talents we have seen here and prostitute himself to the hierarchy. A car will depreciate quickly, but the monetary value invested in a property will rise.
Even stocks and shares are useless these days.
Follow me for more financial advice.

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Anon 11:15:
“How much do priests ‘earn’?
How much are they worth?

Answers with full costings please, ……..on back of a 2nd class stamp

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“He (+Fintan) needs to suspend Ger’s faculties immediately.”

For example:

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That’s right, Pat, give the men a chance. It’s supposed to be equal opportunities nowadays. The parish ladies have had their turn.

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That’s true. Get him across the water to Oscott. Will be a novelty having a straight formator on the books….

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9.07. You mean like Dallat? A wee while in a prison chaplaincy (where the congregation can’t opt to move elsewhere!), then when the heat dies down, (for the sheep have very short memories), move him to some rural parish.
But Loughinislanders are very aware , watching and waiting, aren’t we ladies?

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You are not doing a good job in Loughinisland watching Dallat. He is not just one for the ladies ya know. Keep a more closer eye from your curtains.

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@9:05: No need for curtain twitching here: there’s eyes everywhere, both here and beyond, and marked up on many a card.

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9.07
The more he goes against Bishop Fintan then the likely outcome will be out to stud as Bishop Fintan will not give him anything for continuing this saga.

I think Ger’s Family and Friends should advise him to go now and savage something out of his “priesthood”

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Dallat has probably had the curtain twitcher Seamus bent over in Loughinisland. You have a long way to go in catching up with Miss Marple Seaforde Seamus. Not too many Catholics about in that black hole or your hole for that matter.

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The Vatican acknowledged the existence of secret guidelines for priests who break their vows of celibacy and father children. The document requests that a cleric who has fathered a child leaves the priesthood to “assume his responsibilities as a parent by devoting himself exclusively to the child”. The document was “for internal use … and is not intended for publication”.

Pope Francis is very strong in stating that in the meantime, celibacy must be observed. He would not throw out every priest who violated celibacy; individual lapses can be forgiven. But a priest who is incapable of observing celibacy should return to the lay state, Francis wrote before he became pope.

And what about sex with an ordinary parishioner?

The church needs a frank discussion of these issues with input from the laity. Sex between a priest and adult can be more than simply a violation of celibacy. It can also be a violation of professional ethics. With the advice of laity with expertise in these areas, the church needs to adopt best practices and hold itself to the highest standards. The church needs the help of laity not only in developing standards but also in enforcing them. No profession, including the clergy, is good at policing itself.

May any man of the cloth struggling with his vow be guided on the right path. May there be compassion. May there be forgiveness. May there be understanding.

Peace be with you my brothers and sisters in Christ! Have a nice day!

Is mise le meas,

Séamus

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11:26 am

Seamus, you refer to men of the cloth and what about sex with an ordinary parishioner?

Have you any comment about sex with an extraordinary parishioner?

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11:26am

Would ye ever get over yourself with all that false piety, it’s enough to make you sick. You’re probably he biggest hypocrite ever, but love to let people think yer a right Holy Joe.Oh I forgot have a nice day!

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Ger Fitzgerald will likely be saying the Bishop is a liar now and he never admitted anything that is the norm but it is water off a ducks back.
The only loser in the end will be Ger Fitzgerald.
Breaking his vows, Disobeying his Bishop, bringing the Church into disrepute and that is just a start.
he is so foolish and being badly advised.
If he had any brain he would say tomorrow he is taking time out for reflection however he will fight it to the end and them put out to graze in pastures new.

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I’m down on my knees praying! Surely this is hellfire and brimstone retribution from the all merciful Creator for all my failures to acknowledge Him. What could be clearer than that I deserve all this? At last I’m seeing the light…………….through the smoke, …and mirrors. NOT!
Thanks for asking Mumsy. I’m very well.
MMM

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1.34: MMM, I wish only the best for your well being but I couldn’t help thinking of you racing thriugh the dense gorse of the Mournes, a place dear to my poetic imaginations……Think it was the glass of Pinot Grigio in the midday heat that sent my mind to worry about you…You never know – one-day – many an atheist returned to the fold of faith… God waits….🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌿🌿🌿🌿…

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1:34pm

Minnie I was delighted hoping that you’d seen the light, until I realized you were being sarcastic. I’m glad your clear that hellfire is what you deserve, You’ve still got time, learn the Act of Contrition. If you don’t it’s what you’ll get.

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4.13, the one going on about acts of contrition, yeah YOU.
C ‘MON! You surely don’t believe in that shit do you?
If you really do, it just shows what a vicious and deluded fool you are , for your comment seems to take satisfaction in its misguided belief, nay wish, for another’s harm just because they believe differently from you!
You need to do some serious thinking.

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Have no desire to criticise Fr Ger as I don’t have all the full facts in comparison to owner of this blog and the Bishop himself.

Scenario – if he leaves the church as it would look good on him and for himself and his integrity as well. He’s leading a double life which is quite harder to maintain just like the famous spy Kim Philby.it leads to all sort of problems such as drink et al. He will have to choose one life which is priesthood or laity life. He would be more freer in the life of laity with no responsibility to his Bishop. Counselling might be needed for him to find his way though.

I don’t trust bishops cos they not honest with the laity and they will always maintain their secrecy.

Its decision time for Ger.

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A man of the cloth with a lapse of the vow might already have gotten a wake up call. A lapse should be allowed the opportunity to atone if that is the desire.

May there be compassion. May there be forgiveness. May there be understanding.

Is mise le meas,

Séamus

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1.50: Seamus, you are preaching the gospel of Christ and superbly so! But you know that’s against the policies of this blog…!!! Jeep telling the gospel. Thank you and remember, thousands of us share It with you. AMDG…

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Is not the whole sordid history of Church mishandling of abuse a tale of bishops being the nice guy and saying let’s give him another chance. Seamus is writing checks that the victims have to cash.

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It’s easy to preach the gospel of Christ. It’s another matter to live it.
We have had religious rhetoric for generations in Ireland…
It’s a pity survivors of Church abuse; children, vulnerable adults, including
former seminarians, etc, are not given compassion, understanding or concern.
Then again, why show compassion to those abused by the Church.
Those abused, the great unwashed, have no rights in canon law.
So, who cares!
The hierarchy certainly don’t care.
Trying to prevent abuse and protect members of the community, particularly vulnerable
members of the community- while seeking justice, calling out abusiveness, corruption,
and criminality EVEN in the catholic church, gives glory to God regardless of what elitist
nonsense some clerics along with their supporters post on this blog.
Not everyone who says Lord, Lord, will enter the Kingdom but those who do the will of the Father.
Does God condone abuse, cover up, lies and justice denied?
If He does, He is not the God of the gospels.

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3:21 – he isn’t preaching the gospel at all, he’s joking, parodying the church’s attitude to troll the blog. Do try not to be so naive.

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“breach of a vow” or of such and such commandment is a euphemism. The man has toyed with those he regards as his social inferiors. (The Bible says we’re not to swear any vows at all at all.) You should come out honest and declare what interest you have in sabotaging Bishop Monahan’s pastoral business for his flock. Come on – out with it.

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I understand where you are coming from. People are hard on priests, because for years the Church was so hard on them. No one would care if he was the local plumber. The generations of 14 year old boys terrified of any stirings of the flesh. The unmarried pregnant girls read out from the pulpit. The Church cannot bless same sex couples because of their sin. The Church has ruled with a rod of iron. There, unfortunately, will be justice without mercy for those who have not been merciful themselves. What you give out comes back.

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Anon 2.33am and 8.12am.

Dolan isn’t to be trusted cos he moved diocese monies that was designated for victims of abuse to a cemetery fund unreachable. That was when he was a Bishop who replaced Weakland in a different diocese and he declared bankruptcy in the process. Bishop Weakland who refused to listen to deaf adults re Fr Murphy who went on to abuse well over 200 deaf kids.

That’s probably why he was promoted to a rank of cardinal. Also some of his other actions as regards to abuser priest in NYC, which led Cardinal o malley to report him to the Vatican.

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@ 3:21 pm

You seem to have a very curious selective notion of what gives glory (AMDG)
to God, as well as what is in the gospel.
It’s a pity survivors of Church abuse; children, vulnerable adults, including
former seminarians, etc, are not given compassion, understanding or justice.
Then again, why show compassion to those abused by the Church.
Those vast majority of those abused by the Church have no rights in canon law.
Do you consider trying to prevent abuse while protecting members of the community, particularly vulnerable members of the community, is not giving glory to God?
Is seeking justice, calling out abusiveness, corruption, and criminality EVEN in the Catholic Church, not giving glory to God? Is covering up crime giving glory to God?
Do tell, please….

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5.58: No abuse of any kind, of course, is never, ever acceptable. Ever. Abuse in all its shades and ugliness is morally reprehensible. I trust in civil courts justice for the crimes of abuse. My anger at perpetrators doesn’t give me a right to exact my vengeance or inflict hurt or violence on that person. That’s why we have courts. The gospel challenges us to be people of mercy, compassion and forgiveness, however difficult that may be. Trying to practice such is always AMDG..as is calling out and naming wrong, criminality and sinful wrong doing…Suggesting retaliation, anger and violence is definitely not nor is being merciless and nasty.

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6.12
No one is sabotaging Bishop Monahan’s flock.
If Bishop Monahan was a True Shepherd he would have suspended Father Ger Fitzgerald weeks ago.
As Bishop he has a duty now to go an apologise to the people of Cloughleigh that the Priest who has been administering to them has broken his vow of Celibacy and suppose to administer the Sacraments and Preach the Gospel.
All anyone want is the TRUTH to be told to the parishioners and Ger should do that tomorrow apologise to the people for leading double standards.
Being Kilometres away from the Dioceses of Killaloe I have no interest in Bishop Fintan Monahan’s Dioceses however he is allowing a LIAR of a Priest to continue in Sacred Ministry.

One of their times are limited and it is either Bishop Monahan or Father Fitzgerald and some how I think it will be the latter.

Father Fitzgerald thinks he is a star with people watching all over the World and that maybe correct but they are watching to see how long he can still be a hypocrite.

father Fitzgerald’s next move will be his speech imperilment saying he does not understand or when he finally realises that his number is up he will blame Mental Health everyone can read his cards but they are going to come tumbling down.

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how dare you! if you knew Ger he would never look for sympathy like that and you’re making him out to be a fool , when in reality he is a highly intelligent man

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6.47: What an embellished narrative. Do you write porn novels? I hope you have a fall sometime to know what understanding and mercy might be when you are exiled in your life by bitches like you..☻☻☻👹👹👹…there’s something dark and nasty about your analysis…☻☻☻👹👹👹…

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9:12 pm

So why did the Vatican have a policy of covering up of abuse for generations?
Why have no Irish bishops who covered up abuse gone to prison?
Who is suggesting violence, retaliation or inflicting hurt?
I am not, nor does this blog call for retaliation, anger, violence or inflicting hurt.
The institutional Church put its reputation before children destroying countless lives, discrediting the gospel and the moral authority of the Church simply because clergy are deemed more important, more precious, more valuable than those not ordained- a twisted perversion of scripture, if ever. Bishops also have a duty to ensure justice is done and seen to be done .Otherwise, how can bishops ever speak out on issues of injustice in secular society credibly? Maybe institutional Church hypocrisy is at the root of many contemporary priestly woes.

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DF
The First decision for Ger is to face the TRUTH.
Even if he gets over this hurdle which I do not think he will then it is only a matter of time for more of his one night stands.
He has acted like frank Sinatra this week but the curtain calls.
Cloughleigh get used to it the Dioceses is entrusted to Bishop Monahan not Ger Fitzgerald and his fan club.

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I doubt the fitzgerald fans are doing much to actully run Cloughleigh, are his staff even in his fan club or is he just like any other boss? maybe a few? 🤔

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1.34: Deaf Guy, do you take life so seriously all the time? Have you no sense of humour? Like nirmal people, you should go outside to enjoy the sun – it’s fantastic for your health – instead of worrying abiut Bishops, priest and nun’s sex lives!! Lighten up: get yourself a teddy bear, a Budweiser and an ice cream…have fun!!:

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3.56: Nancy, thanks for the laugh. We need to laugh…..and enjoy the sunshine. Let Deaf Guy annoy himself alone…🦁🦁🦁 ..😁😁🤣🤣🤣😅😃😆…

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I think DG needs more understanding than criticism or sarcasm. I have noticed that in different posts he contradicts himself. He rarely gets personal about individuals. A rare attribute on this blog. He does give credit where credit is due. For example he did praise the
RC Deaf School in orange Bridgeton in Glasgow.
As someone who goes profoundly deaf for long periods of time (waiting for ear nose and throat consultants to come back into action when covid is over) I have every sympathy for him. Communicating can be very difficult and frustrating.
Please keep posting DG, even if I disagree with some of the things you say. Do not let the jealous types get you down.
Garngad Lad

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7.53pm garngad lad.

Thanks for your comments. Didn’t know you have profound ly deafness. Was it due to old age? I’m well used to that and all forms of communication that goes awry or misunderstanding 2hich was quite common. Its fact of life every day re communications. I usually do 2 things to make it easier. First make it clear as clarity is of essence. Secondly make it direct and clear thus no obfuscation nor any misunderstanding arising etc to what I’m saying.

As I realise its a priests blog full of gossips, innuendos, criticism and sarcasm as well. So I take it on the chin and I’m reducing my posts as to wean off from this blog.

How’s life in Scotland as I have seen you commenting on it.? It seems bad re Scotland from what I had seen in other comments.

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3.56 pm and 3.14pm Nancy and Lillie.

LOL, just saw it 30 mins ago. I was out all day beautiful weather, ice cream and a cuppa outside to soak all in.

Your comments sarcasm par excellence ha. A wind up which I take no notice.

You do love belittling posters do you?🤔

No wonder Frankie the gaslighter would be proud of you both as he wants to invite you to santa Marta in the same room as zachetta and mc Carrick. I’m sure you have your hands full all day belittling zachetta and mc Carrick re their sexual lives.

Ya church apologists typical not surprising re sarcasm and making fun out of people. But it says more all about you both as I’m not bothered really. My pet dream is you both in a room with frankie gaslighter with his pals zachetta and mc Carrick. Would they make a move on you given you both woman such is rampant homosexuality in the Vatican…. Just saying and wondering 😉😉😉.

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By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. “Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action.”138 “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of “the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved.”139

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects’ moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm

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I say this with all sincerity as a former RC cleric, but now long time non practising any form of religion: I shake my head at the idiocy, irrelevancy and completely out of touch with reality of RCC’S teachings such as are expressed, I believe, in A@ 7:46’s comment. It’s utterly bizarre to be so negatively focused on an entirely natural sexual tension releasing function.
The whole RCC and its focus on sexuality is crazy beyond belief. But then, so many of its beliefs and teachings are so similarly weird, so it’s hardly surprising 🤔
I’m not aware that the RCC has any similar prohibitions on female sexual stimulation to orgasm. It’s every bit as common as the male equivalent. hat’s an interesting thought. Any comments from our learned theologians here?

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Priests should beat the bishop at least once a week. They need to ejaculate or they could get prostrate cancer. Lesser of two evils.

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@ Anon 05/24/2019 11:50,

Was there compassion? Was there forgiveness? Was there understanding?

Is mise le meas,

Séamus

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I’m happy the woman was believed by BP Fintan and other Frs and was treated well. She broke no promise, or canon law and has nobody to answer to but our Lord himself. Well done Bp Pat your vigilance pays off.

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I still think that there is a responsibility on a woman to not get into a situation such as this: getting involved with a man committed to the priesthood or to a wife. She is at least partly responsible for the wreckage left behind. (I’m speaking from a woman’s perspective).

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Well said @7:40

The Priest, as portrayed by the Irish actor Andrew Scott in the second series of Fleabag, captivated hundreds of thousands – and it is heterosexual women who were most vehemently passionate about him.

As one Twitter user put it, “When that priest said ‘kneel’ my v*****a exploded in a way a man has never quite been able to achieve.” Or “It’s not just me who now spends most minutes of the day thinking about the Fleabag priest. Right?”

One of the main questions regularly returned to is: why do women fancy him so much? What is it about this priest that turns women on? In the UK, Google searches for “Can priests get married?” are up 170 per cent, a direct result of the Hot Priest effect.

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7.40: Absolutely. You are so correct. None of us accept or condone any abuse of power or authority of any kind. Some women ARE responsible for their flirtations outside of their marriage or relationships. Let’s call a spade a spade. People who marry, civilly or sacramentally make public declarations to uphold the integrity (and sanctity) of their commitment, as does a priest by ordination. In Pat’s world view the priest is always the villian. Absurd thinking. Those who break their vows should be judged equally.

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7.40 Blame the woman and Fr Ger is allowed to carry on in his not so priestly ministry as its her fault and he just had to jump into bed with her. Sure, he couldn’t help it….. her shirt was short, or she wore red lipstick etc excuses don’t work anymore. It’s Annie Murphy all over again…. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” You all have very short memories.

Maybe if Fr Ger had better formation and support from his brother priests, he might not be in this predicament.

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@Séamus That’s just bizarre. Sometimes I get the impression that it’s assumed that a woman is easily led and I find that a bit demeaning. Mind you, with comments like those of the Twitter user, I can understand why.

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Hot priest – the overwhelming majority are tubs of lard. Most current seminarians and priests would easily qualify for the undatables tv show…

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A group of 26 Italian women – all claiming to be in affairs with priests – wrote to Pope Francis pleading with him to end the Catholic Church’s celibacy vow.

The women said that there were many more like them who were “living in silence.”

“We love these men, they love us, and in most cases, despite all efforts to renounce it, one cannot manage to give up such a solid and beautiful bond,” they wrote in a joint letter.

They added that “very little is known about the devastating suffering of a woman who is deeply in love with a priest”.

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And none left the priesthood for their women…… What does that say about these priests? Leading double lives?

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@10:06pm

Some 6,000 former priests in Italy have left the church so they can marry.

Is mise le meas,

Séamus

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Seamus, and you write about the 26 broken hearted women pining for the selfish priests who want their cake and eat it. The 6000 are true to themselves and to their vocation.

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Would they also write to Pope Francis regarding Church teaching on bigamy if these men were married? I don’t think that one gets from zero to deeply in love in an instant. The only right response at the first sign of any thought in that direction is to run a mile.

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@10.05 I’m definitely not blaming the woman but in the case of two adults, are both not responsible? I absolutely believe that whatever is the correct procedure in a situation like this for a priest should be followed. I’m a layperson and know very little of Canon Law. I know that if I were a parishioner and this was going on, I would be devastated.

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Hi Pat Sure once upon a time you stood your ground. I dont know much about Ger but at this stage spitting the dummy may well be a means to an end

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@9.44 I would also include those who haven’t taken vows. We are all called to lives of integrity. Among my 30-something single peers, a free-for-all attitude to their sexual lives is very common.

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