Priests derive their income from their parish. Priests in Scotland receive a salary of just under £3,000 per annum.
Although the policy regarding the purchase, maintenance and running of cars differs from diocese to diocese, in most dioceses, the car is a private expense, a further £2,000 is available to help with petrol for ‘work mileage.’ So, that’s about £5,000 a year.
In some parishes where finances are stretched, priests don’t always take their full allowance some clergy beyond the state pension age choose to live the state pension instead.
If you add in the provision of the house, heat, light and food, then you arrive at a perfectly reasonable standard of living.
A parish priest is allowed to keep one Mass stipend per day, (currently £10) although he must celebrate a Sunday Mass for the intentions of the people.
This earns him £ 3,120 a year – more if he gets bigger stioends than £ 10.
Masses are celebrated during the month of the Holy Souls in November and any Mass offerings enclosed in the November lists can either form part of an individual priest’s stipendiary income or, be shared at deanery or diocesan level.
No 35,000 Euro’s here or separate homes. They get free prescriptions and dental health from the NHS.
Now encouraged to get Funeral Plans themselves so the Dioceses do not need to pay.
No credit cards or mobile phones.
It is spam Tuesdays and Fish Fridays in Scotland.
Must be fantastic to be a Priest in Ireland.
Priests in Ireland now have salaries of between € 20,000 and € 35,000.
Presumably they can also keep their Mass stipends?
Do they keep what they get for funerals and weddings?
Many priests have cash pressed into their hands regularly by laity and I’m sure priests in wealthier parishes get gifts of hundreds or thousands.
Priests get money left to them in wills sometimes.
WHEN I STARTED OFF:
My first parish was Bridgend in Wales starting in September 1976.
I had my keep and no household bills and the PP gave me £ 5 pocket money.
I had no car and a widespread parish. The PP refused to lend ne the price of a car.
A very generous elderly lady friend, Mary Hodinott, RIP, a retired teacher, bought me a used Opel and taxed and insured it for me.
The PP was furious because then he had to give me a car allowance 😁
In Belfast, St Peter’s in 1978, I had my keep and £ 70 a month and some car allowances and part of Christmas, Easter and November clergy collections.
I think Kilkeel and Larne were similar.
Daly cut off all my money in July 1986 and have been self-financing for 35 years.
All Oratory priests have been and are 100% self-financing.
Good priests, who offer good services to those who seek those services from them, are, to my mind, perfectly entitled to be remunerated.
“The labourer deserves his wages”.
A good priest will not be money orientated even though like all, he needs money to survive.
Some priests, like some people, suffer from avarice, greed and meanness. Such people are offputting in the extreme.
Personally, I think it a scandal when I hear a priest leaves a lot of money and property in his will.
I knew an Irish priest who kept a yacht in the Adriatic.
I have known Irish priests who have gambled vast fortunes in their lifetimes.
In the past some Irish priests owned a lot of land and a lot of stock.
Jesus never said it was a sin.
But he did say it was a sin for the rich to share with the poor.
Is it the business of someone who does not contribute to the church or priests what priests earn?
“TAP AND PRAY” – is about to be rolled out across Catholic churches in Ireland and the UK as the church faces dwindling numbers of attendees and collections in modern Covid era.
Many people who already come to church claim they are no longer cash carriers when it comes to collection times.
Now, Father, has come up with an answer to the tight assed and will explain to them that they can simply tap their card or phone against the new clever money hoovers.
In one sense this was always going to happen. We are fast reaching the cashless age in all other walks of lives.
I don’t carry much cash and I hardly ever write a cheque these days.
I pay my bills either by direct debit or by instant bank transfer.
So, I suppose the church(s) must go along with the age too.
It also does away with committees having to count cash on Monday morning and then carry bags of coins to the bank in canvas bags.
When I was a curate in St Peter’s Cathedral Belfast – 1978 to 1983 – the five priests were obliged all Monday morning counting the cash!
Lay people could not be trusted!
FUTURE CHURCH TECHNOLOGY?
A US priest suggested a few years ago to me that with the shortage of priests etc, there might come a time with giving out Holy Communion might be handled by technology.
He suggested that those entitled to Holy Communion would be given a credit card like card which when inserted into a machine in a church would deliver one segment of the consecrated host in a totally sanitized little package?
There have been cases in the USA, where else, where a priest on holidays left out a container of consecrated hists with the sign: PRIEST ON HOLIDAYS. HELP YOURSELF.
There is indeed a case for tech solutions for church finances.
But I dont think we could ever see machines handling the sacred?
You asked in your Blog last night about Joe Condon.
He was the Parish Priest in Ardfinnan near Clonmel up to about a decade ago or a little longer. It seems that an allegation was made against him and Bishop William Lee asked him to step aside from ministry which he did. Since then the Parish has not had a Parish Priest, but a Parish Administrator, first Fr. Robert (Bobby) Power, then Fr. Pat Butler. The parish was without an Priest in Charge for a period of time, but it is my understanding that a priest from Rockwell College which is nearby helped out in the Parish, Fr. Bernard Frawley I think. In the most recent moves made by Bishop Phonsie Fr. Michael Toomey a Curate at Ss Peter and Paul’s Parish in Clonmel for a number of years moved to Ardfinnan to become Administrator there. He was also put in charge of Newcastle and Fourmilewater the next door Parish after it’s Parish Priest Garrett Desmond was moved to Touraneena and The Nire.
The fact that the Parish of Ardfinnan-Ballybacon-Grange has not had a Parish Priest with a number of years now might suggest that Joe Condon is still a priest and still the Parish Priest of Ardfinnan-Ballybacon-Grange. If he had left the priesthood surly Bishop Lee and more recently Bishop Phonsie would have appointed a Parish Priest for the area and not an Administrator. Fr. Pat Butler was a Parish Priest before he was transferred to A-B-G and resumed the title after he left to move to Aglish, Ballinameela and Mount Stuart, but has left that Parish in mysterious circumstances since then.
For a number of years, in a printed Diocese Directory it was saying that Joe Condon and a number of other priests were contactable through the Bishop’s House. I think the Irish Catholic Directory gave the same information on him and others.
For some reason the Website of Waterford and Lismore does not give details of Priests that are not in active ministry like what other dioceses do. I know of a number of priests who have stepped a side for different reasons who are no longer listed, but to the best of my knowledge are still priests. There is a Michael O’Connor who I think you know from your time in Saint John’s Seminary, Richard Geoghegan who appeared on an RTE Programme hosted by Hotelier Francis Brennan while dressed in drag, Charles (Charlie) Scanlon, Thomas Burns, Michael Kennedy (who was in the news in the 90’s when as Curate in Dungarvan claimed there was a woman sleeping with men from the area passing on the Aids virus to them) who are no longer listed. Neither are the elderly retired priests unless they fill the role of P.E. in a parish or those that may have retired early on health grounds, of which I might know two who are in their mid 60’s and look very active.
You may remember back in 2015 or 2016 Bishop Phonsie brought three Indian priests (members of the Heralds of the Good News Missionary Society) to the diocese. One of them was to work in Clonmel, another in Carrick-on-Suir and the third at the Sacred Heart Parish in the City. The first two of these priests seems to have vanished as quickly as they came.
Something tells me that Joe Condon is a former Curate at the Cathedral in Waterford City and while there he won a sum of money on a National Lottery Game Show on RTE.
Living in the Diocese of Waterford and Lismore
I know nothing of Fr Joe Condon or his history.
But a parishioner in Waterford remembers his help to her in her difficult times.
“The greatest part of a good mans life are his little, unremembered acts of kindness and of love”.
Why is Joe still out of ministry.
Did his big win make him financially secure forever?
Why would you bother with assholes like Willie Lee and Phonsie Cullinan if you didn’t depend on them financially?
Up until about four decades ago the Irish were a very superstitious people.
Their faith was rooted in Holy Water, rosaries, statues, relics, holy wells, fairy thorns etc.
My granny believed that touching a priest’s hat would cure headaches and dinking the tea left in the bottom of a priest’s cup was prevention from colds and sore throats.
That generation believed that priests could cure illness and even raise from the dead
They also believed that a priest’s curse was the end.
A relative of mine, a lorry driver, crashed into the local PP and killed him. Three weeks later a gas tank blew up in front of him and blew off his two hands. He saw tgat as a punishment for killing the priest.
There is nothing all all wrong with a certain amount of emotional devotionionalism. But it cannot be the all.
Is Phonsie hankering for the past when the clergy were the mega wizards?
I believe in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.
I believe in the possibility of Eucharistic miracles.
But the Eucharist is not a magic wand.
And the Eucharist is a symbol of faith and love. It inspires, especially in times of trouble.
But what does carrying the Eucharist around the streets of Waterford achieve – a city in which the majority do not attend Mass?
Maybe it FORCES THEM to see are still here.
Is that not a sign of a not knowing what to do?
The answer being: “Lets have a Eucharistic Procession”.
Is it not a time for Catholics, inspired by their faith, to open food banks, set up neighbourhood schemes for the old and infirm, obey Covid rules.
As well as to say their prayers and worship.
Jesus did seem to favour praying in your own private room?
Is Phonsie lost, I wonder, in post Catholic Ireland?