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REFUSING HOLY COMMUNION.

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This week, the Vatican took a few shots across the bows of the USA bishops, some of whom want to ban people like President Joe Biden from receiving Holy Communion.

In the Biden case, it is because he does not accept a total abortion ban.

Personally, I have been refused Holy Communion publicly twice in my life.

The first time was in Belfast in 1987 when I attended Mass celebrated by the SSPX founder Archbishop Le Lefebvre.

He told me it was because I “was a public sinner and disobedient to the church” 🤡

The second time it was by Phonsie in Waterford at Monsignor Shine’s funeral.

CAREFUL!

I think that we should be very careful about refusing Holy Communion to anyone.

In the end, God is the only one competent to decide whether a person is worthy or not.

We judge by externals.

God tells us he judges by what is in the heart.

Those who outwardly appear to be sinners, might not be.

And those who outwardly appear to be saints might not be either.

Of course, we are allowed to judge people’s actions as being good or bad actions, genuine or hypocritical actions rtc.

But we do not always get it right when we judge motivations and intentions.

I’m sure if there had been Holy Communion in Jesus’ day the Pharisees etc would have refused it to him.

The American bishops want to refuse Biden Communion over the abortion issue.

And, quite rightly, the Vatican has told the bishops not to reduce the wide Catholic faith to the “Life Battle”.

It seems in many RC quarters the abortion issue has become the RC touchstone.

The Life issue is indeed very important.

But it is not the whole of morality.

85 replies on “REFUSING HOLY COMMUNION.”

I hope they do ban him. It will show them up for what they are and make Biden wonder about his affiliation with a bunch of nonces and hypocrites …

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“In the Biden case, it is because he does not accept a total abortion ban.”
“Thou shalt not kill.”
The Pharisees were very meticulous about keeping the laws of God, ALL 613 of them. But the problem was, they lost sight of the true meaning of their relationship with God, which was love.
The Church can be very meticulous about preaching the laws of God. But the problem is, they can lose sight of the true meaning of their relationship with God, which is love.
Without love for God, the external observance of God’s Commandments becomes worthless legalism.
Obedience without love is worthless, which is exactly what the Pharisees practiced. But where love is present, a person will automatically set out to order his life in harmony with the will of God as expressed in His commandments.

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In the Oratory Society would you refuse communion to
Hugh Connolly
Ger Fitz
Gorgeous
Ya man down in Tralee?
The other regular names here

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Serious storm on the way regarding KH.. Seriously doubt it won’t emerge.. Sex, drugs but not sure about rock & roll..

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“The Life issue is indeed very important. But it is not the whole of morality”.
Pat, that is completely nonsensical. What you are effectively saying is “ Ok you murdered someone but at least you didn’t steal his wallet. So you’re grand! Come on and receive Holy Communion. No problem.” Or “och sure didn’t you only commit adultery with one woman twice? I’m sure your wife won’t mind and sure God is fine with it too. On ye come”.
It strikes me that the Vatican hasn’t the balls to defend and preach basic Catholic moral teaching.
As you often say yourself, many of them believe in nothing – but on this issue there would appear to be a bit of blindness in your own eyes.
Sleep Joe is one of the most powerful men on earth and the powerful men in Rome don’t want him upset. The powerful look out for the powerful at the end of the day and to hell with morality and God’s commandments.
No wonder the Vatican is riddled with corrupt men like Cocopalmeira and the rest.
We know that “the Life Issue” is not all of morality. But are you seriously suggesting that you can be unfaithful in so fundamental a matter as not deliberately killing the most vulnerable and innocent human beings and be regarded as fit to receive communion???
If you deliberately and wilfully kill someone, not matter how “moral” you are in other areas, you are no longer a moral and good human being.
Doesn’t it say something in the Bible somewhere that if a man does evil all the good he previously did is no longer considered by God?

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Obedience does not lead to love, but love DOES lead to obedience. By saying “Love the Lord with all thy heart, soul and mind”, Christ is revealing that the love of God, if truly present in us, will permeate every aspect of our being.
If you truly love the Lord with all your heart, mind and soul, then you will be fulfilling (keeping) the first four of the ten commandments, and if you truly love your neighbor as yourself, then you will be fulfilling (keeping) the last six of the ten commandments. This is the Bible truth about the two greatest commandments.

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11.33
Your last sentence is an example of the dangers of taking a line of scriptural text out of context. Ezekiel 18 is a radical development in the question of theodicy and personal responsibility. God does not judge us on the basis of another’s actions but of our own. The fundamental option we each make for or against God outweighs individual slip ups and God who lives in eternity is not limited by our chronology. We are not just as good as our last game.

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The homosexual power brokers in the Vatican will support the homosexual cardinals and bishops in the USA who are soft on unborn baby killing.
They have to sow confusion, about what is right and wrong, to justify their own lifestyles and “choices”.
Salacious Susie Cupich in Chicago, Malevolent McElroy in San Diego, Indolent Dolan in NY, His Eminence of Newark, “NIGHT NIGHT BABY I LOVE YOU” Tobin # “I was tweeting to ma sistah” yeah of course you were. Wilting Cardinal Gregory in DC. They are all rotten and corrupt through and through.
Their equally corrupt buddies in El Vaticano will back them to the hilt.

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12.27
You are welcome to them. They are not what the signs of the times require today

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We are accustomed in the RC Church to believing that we must be purified before encountering the Most High God, when in fact, it is precisely that encounter that purifies us.

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Some abortionists are misguided. Intimacy that creates a pregnancy is a body choice. Some are misguided in seeing abortion as a body choice.
It might seem harsh to refuse Biden communion but to be fair, Biden needs to reflect on the laws of God.
“See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven.”
And said to them, “Whoever receives this child in my name receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me. For he who is least among you all is the one who is great.”

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Seamus: Selective quotations from ancient texts, the origins and relevance of which in themselves are subject to endless dispute, demonstrate, much less prove anything. As someone commented recently, even the devil can quote Scripture for nefarious purposes.

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4:21,
Two Greatest Commandments Replace the Ten?
So does loving the Lord with all your heart, mind, soul and strength END any of the ten commandments? No of course not. This teaching that the ten commandments have been done away with or replaced is from Satan. And the reason Satan fell is because pride arose in his heart and he rebelled against the law of God. And he is making every effort to convince us that it is ok to rebel against God’s great moral law contained in the ten commandments. Which is why he has put many of his own “theologians” in place to discredit God’s law and replace it with a “wishy washy” love that doesn’t produce good works or obedience to God.

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Barbera! Have you heard this crap, girl?! … That Paul Nener is a man of good standing and unapproachable moral and spiritual integrity. …My bloody arse he is!
What a load of Horlicks!

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“A public disobedient church sinner, my bloody arse”
“It’s now a badge of honour in some quarters of the church- ask Uncle Ted” 😈

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“The Life issue is indeed very important.
But it is not the whole of morality.”
Pre-vaccines, when coronavirus was high among the younger age group, the older age groups would eventually get infected despite their best efforts to bubble safely.
The Life Issue is a very important issue. Any degree away from that is a step away from God. The Vatican would want to work on their message. The problem for the Vatican, like the Pharisees of old, they can be seen to be preaching God’s laws without love. Their message gets lost.
The 10 Commandments are love. Jesus’ 2 Great Commandments were merely summing up the ten commandments, not replacing them.
“But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”

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Being refused communion by a US prelate who is double speak, double life, in the closet but practising, swindler, enriching and indulging himself on the widow’s purse, would be a badge of honour for me, for Joe Biden, a vote winner – it’s a win win for everybody, I’m surprised the Vatican intervened to spoil the fun.

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In the world we live in. People preach the laws of God without love. Other people preach love without abiding by God’s laws. If either are giving out about the other, it smacks of the pot calling the kettle black.

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It’s good to see the CDF slapping down the likes of Gomez, Cordileone and the rest of the hard line, black and white, right wing,culture warriors amongst the US Bishops. Mind you, remember this is the same CDF that issued its clarification about blessing same sex unions and essentially reiterating the intrinsically disordered moniker that they believe homosexuality to be. So, don’t hold your breath. I encourage you to read Cordileone’s recent pastoral letter on reception of communion on his diocesan website: https://sfarchdiocese.org/inthewomb It’s like something out of the 1950s. I think Cordileone has his own personal problems. I mean, just look and listen to him. A Big Repressed Self-Loathing Queen, or what…..?!!

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In Glasgow, Paisley and Galloway Dioceses people are refused the Eucharist many times if the clergy know that you ate living up with someone, Gay relationships, Divorced or in a civil partnership.
Sadly some of the Clerics at the Cathedral go on gossip or ask you in confessions.
They should look at their own clergy first.
Glasgow, Paisley, Motherwell and St. Andrew’s and Edinburgh have got the Courage network where you all meet and socialise but no sexual encounters allowed.

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Oh, the clergy only encourage the Courage business so that they can get all the gays boys together so that they can perv them and ogle them ! Then they go back to their rooms and wank. You seriously think that there is any other motive to gathering these gays together ? They used to be able to do it with the altar boys and the Boy Scouts, but that’s out now. So, they use the grown up gays as an outlet.

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I doubt +Phonsie would try that stunt again, Bp Pat, not after featuring quite prominently on the blog since the fateful day. I think they’ll all be quite wary of you now.

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Next time + Phonsie refuses you communion, tell him not to be ‘a plonker all his life’.
Ask him to join The Oratory!
Use the old Del boy line; “…this time next year we’ll be millionaires!”
It works, every time, + Pat.

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Del, you’re a gem my old son!
Have you still got that box of abandoned Netgear access points our Rodders found sitting, inocently, on a wooden crate by the loading bay doors of PC world, my old son?
I’ll have the lot of you! 🤣 😂

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Maybe its time for you both to bury the hatchet.
A mea culpa each way = evens. Who is going to ring who?
Any bets..?

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No one really knew who this big girl was, Bp Pat, until she became a regularly featured old queen on the blog.

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@11:04 It’s in the Bible.
The Irish Church would be in a much better state if people actually read the bible and took it seriously.

Ezekiel 10:9-12
As I was watching, I saw four wheels beside the cherubs, one wheel beside each cherub, and the wheels appeared to glow like chrysʹo·lite stone.
 As for their appearance, the four of them were alike, looking as though a wheel were within a wheel.
When they moved, they could go in any of the four directions without turning, because they would go to the place where the head would face without turning.
Their entire bodies, their backs, their hands, their wings, and the wheels, the wheels of all four of them, were full of eyes all around.

Revelation 4:6-8
. . .In the midst of the throne and around the throne were four living creatures that were full of eyes in front and behind.
 The first living creature was like a lion, and the second living creature was like a young bull, and the third living creature had a face like a man’s, and the fourth living creature was like a flying eagle.
As for the four living creatures, each one of them had six wings; they were full of eyes all around and underneath. And continuously, day and night, they say: “Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah God, the Almighty, who was and who is and who is coming.”

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Refusing communion is a pure power play – nothing to do with God everything to do with control and domination – very kinky in my opinion and deliciously weak and impotent gesture – everyone sees through it – genius move to turn people off the church and conclude who wants to be a member of this shite – it’s like Jesus telling Judas to piss off or Peter to do one.

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10:47, if people are not living by the commandments, are they living in communion with God?
Peter was granted an opportunity by Jesus to atone for disowning him 3 times. You are right to touch on what would Jesus tell Judas and Peter.

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12:34,
And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

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How many people actually live by all of the commandments? It doesn’t make them bad people, does it?
Do the priests live by the commandments??

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Jeepers, the Catholic Church does invest a whole lot in holy communion, which is invested with layer upon layer of silliness and nonsense – all that transubstantiation stuff, real presence, body and blood, whereas all it is really is a bit of bread and some wine. Okay, it may have ritual and communitarian significance in bringing people together and making them feel they belong to each other, and help them to have a sense of something beyond them, but really…..all that Catholic eucharistic nonsense ! Does anybody really believe it ? I’d love to hear, in words of just a couple of syllables, what you see in it other than along the lines I’ve already suggested. Now, there’s a challenge for you all !

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11.10: Since you have such a trivial, irreverent, sarcastic and total ignorance/mockery re: THE EUCHAROST, I think any attempt to teach you theology or spirituality of the Eucharist will be beyond your ability to understand but worse, you will treat it with mockery. The starting point for me are the words of Jesus at the Last Supper. Go and read the passage. Reflect. Pray. And if and when you’re serious, we might take you seriously too.

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@12:51: I certainly took the 11:10 comment seriously, for I completely agree with it. So thanks @ 11:10 for being so forthright.
I absolutely believe that the whole transubstantiation farrago being postulated as a consequence of an ontologically changed priest uttering a few phrases is an utterly ridiculous concept. It could be argued that its main purpose is to enhance the central specialness of the priestly class who alone possess a magical power to summon their god. It’s a concept parallel to witch doctors ju ju stick or the rain man rattling his bones to summon the rain God’s. And the idea that the priest, who may well be a lecherous thieving abuser still retains his magical mumbo jumbo transubstantiation ability? Well that’s preposterous!
No doubt the ‘devout’ will regard these comparisons as insulting. Catch yourselves on. What’s so special about YOUR belief in this weird transubstantiation concept that makes it true, as opposed to thousands of other similarly weird faith beliefs throughout the world and historical past?
MMM

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11:32,
Let me tell you something: Every one of these careless words is going to come back to haunt you. There will be a time of Reckoning. Words are powerful; take them seriously. Words can be your salvation. Words can also be your damnation.”

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5.02: MMM: keep your voodoo science to yourself. Keep your atheism, your mockery, your insults within your shallow, “this is all we have”, “good without god” philosophy. I respect your rejection of the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation but I accept it. My life is not some kind of magical trick, as you infer when it comes to the Eucharist. It is GOD who wirks through our words, thus their sacredness and holiness. For 1000’s of years the teaching on the Eucharist has united billions of people in a common good, cause, morality and spiritual solidarity. The words of Jesus – “Do this in memory of me…” are the foundation of this worldwide community of believers who share a belief in the one true God, as revealed in the life and person of Jesus. Yes, it requires a huge leap of FAITH to believe our Catholic Truths, particularly that of the Eucharist. I think you are rudely and ignorantly condescending in your dismissal of all who believe in the Eucharist and the integral part it plays in our Christian community and in our relationship with God. Your views, doubts and scepticism are fine but your smarmy mockery of believers is unacceptable. My beliefs are SPECIAL to me (and billions of others), beliefs enhanced and deepened by art, music, poetry, philosophy and psychology. You might cheekily ridicule and question the concept of transubstantiation or the “Do this in memory of me…” command of Jesus, which we fulfil at every Eucharist but they are life-giving, eternal words which come alive when we gather in the name of Jesus. If I may use an analogy: when you pop your clogs and are brought to a pyre for burning, your family and friends will gather – in YOUR name to keep your memory alive. Wonderful. They will recall your life, read your favourite poetry, remember your caustic, sharp mind, probably lay a few empty bicardi bottles and beer cans on a table alongside a thorn bush, a photograph, a pipe, a copy of Mein Kampf, an Atheists guide to Life.. etc….all done to remember the unique, irreplaceable MMM… The difference in remembering Jesus and you…Jesus is forever and always: your memory will fade after a few weeks!!

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6.10 your faith would be better supported by some version of consubstantiation (Vatican City power plays aside). Jesus doesn’t actually disrespect bread, to obliterate it, however much bigger than it He is.
(The days when infrequent communicants – i.e most of us – were considered Good Catholics were in any case better.)

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6.10: “Brought to a pyre for burning.. “. What fabulous laughs you briught on with the thought of MMM sizzling in his own oils…😁😊🤣😋😃🤣😂😉🤣🤣😃😃😄😅😅🤡🤡🤡😸😸😸😁😆🤣😋

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@6:10. Hold on to your “leap of faith”, for that’s all you’ve got. If such is the foundation for your belief it mirrors what is always found when believers are asked for evidential proof for their beliefs. After floundering and flannelling biblical quotes, they always fall back to a default reliance on personal faith.
The psychological and emotional brainwashing indoctrination of religious beliefs of childhood seems to induce an inability to make any objective analysis of the likelihood of the Christian belief system being true.
MMM

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Tell us where MMM “rudely and ignorantly dismissed THOSE who believe in the Eucharist”?
I highlight ‘those’ in reference to individuals.
MMM regularly criticises beliefs, supposed facts, and practices, but rarely makes personalised attacks or criticisms, ….unlike some.

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5:02 pm
Good without God? Why bother?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Idiot
“A dialogue between the intimately related themes of atheism and Christian faith (meaning, for Dostoevsky, Russian Orthodoxy) pervades the entire novel. Dostoevsky’s personal image of Christian faith, formed prior to his philosophical engagement with Orthodoxy but never abandoned, was one that emphasized the human need for belief in the immortality of the soul, and identified Christ with ideals of “beauty, truth, brotherhood and Russia” etc…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_atheism
“Criticism of atheism is criticism of the concepts, validity, or impact of atheism, including associated political and social implications. Criticisms include positions based on the history of science, philosophical and logical criticisms, findings in both the natural and social sciences, theistic apologetic arguments, arguments pertaining to ethics and morality, the effects of atheism on the individual, or the assumptions that underpin atheism.” etc…

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6.20::: Good quote from Wikipedia in referincing Dostoevsky: loved his profound writings, especially the Brothers Karamazov….dealing with the concepts of God, free will, diubts, faith and reason. Studied it once for a philosophical treatise. My contention is that we should listen to all voices of reason, rational thought, theological concepts, philosophical understandings, religious beliefs. There are common threads to be found which unite us in a particular vision of morality, hope and human survival and sustenance. The myriad of themes in Distoevsky’s works are very dark at times but wonderfully profound, challenging and enriching for all, religious or non religious. Being a devout Orthodox, his vision resonates with those of a religious perspective and can enhance our ideas and ideals. We should be tolerant of differing views…

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Seamus,
It’s a waste of time to be quoting scripture out of context and rather tedious to read. And more is less.

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6:32 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brothers_Karamazov
“Set in 19th-century Russia, The Brothers Karamazov is a passionate philosophical novel that enters deeply into questions of God, free will, and morality. It is a theological drama dealing with problems of faith, doubt and reason in the context of a modernizing Russia, with a plot that revolves around the subject of patricide”..etc..
“The Brothers Karamazov has had a deep influence on many public figures over the years for widely varying reasons. Admirers include scientists such as Albert Einstein,
philosophers Ludwig Wittgenstein and Martin Heidegger, as well as writers such as Virginia Woolf, Cormac McCarthy, Kurt Vonnegut, Haruki Murakami, and Frederick Buechne,
Sigmund Freud called it “the most magnificent novel ever written”,Franz Kafka, Albert Camus and Jean-Paul Sartre,James Joyce, Aldous Huxley and American writer David Foster Wallace’s, Hermann Hesse,Soviet leader Joseph Stalin,Russian politician Vladimir Putin has described The Brothers Karamazov as one of his favorite books, and Pope Benedict XVI cited the book in the 2007 encyclical Spe Salvi.”…etc…

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When I was a eucheristic minister, from my late teens to my thirties, I used to do the rounds at the old people’s homes in my parish, this included the local respite which gave some relief to the local hospitals.
At one nursing home I would visit a hand-full of old ladies and men, and say some prayers and share Holy Communion. I used to love this parish work, and in turn I got great satisfaction from knowing that Christ was even more closer, sacramentally, to my old ladies and men — and in turn, to myself.
I would often get a lovely cup of tea or a hot chocolate and some biscuits and we would have great conversations and I would hear wonderful stories, including about how the city had changed over the years and so forth.
Sometimess, at their request, we would talk about more spiritual things; we would share some beautiful stories about our faith and how God had been a great guide strength at trying times.
Sometimes, if they had recieved upsetting news, I would accompany them on those journeys too.
Without a shadow of a doubt, sharing the Eucharist with others definitely helped me to better understand my faith and brought me even closer to the Lord.
I would even go as far as to say: it was they who brought me Holy Communion — but in fact it is the Lord who brings everybody together in the sharing of the Eucharist.
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* * It is important to note that all of the above spiritual benefits and wisdoms were only made possible because
I journeyed out of church, affter Mass, and took Holy Communion and shared it – the Eucharist – with others * *
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“It’s too precious to keep to myself: His love is bursting at the seams…”
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In the respite, the nurses and carers would gather the residents, my old ladies and men, into the common room and even some of the staff would attend the euacharist service.
I used to say: “If you are not Catholic then the rules are as follows…” “Non-Catholics are not supposed to receive Communion; however, the Church teaches that if anybody puts out their hand to receive Holy Communion then I am Not allowed to refuse them.”
If there were any new residents who had only recently joined our group, then one of the nurses would ensure they knew the rules… that Jesus Christ excludes nobody!
Just after the Angus Dei, I would smile and say: “Christ has gathered us all around this table, today…”
Then, I would receive The Lord’s Supper and share my love for the Lord with all.
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There are some who believe that The Lord’s Supper, the Eucharist, also referred to as Holy Communion, is only to be shared with a “Special” and “Select” chosen number…
… Well, you know the story about the Protestant who arrives in heaven and asks Peter: “Who’s that behind that big wall having a party celebration?” Peter replies: “Shh! That’s the Catholics — they think they’re the only ones here…” 🤣 x
Enjoy the beautiful sunshine and weather x

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Pat, are you officiating at a wedding in Antrim today of couple at centre of Marquee trouble in Dublin. Couple travelling up north and were to return to Dublin to a marquee – which is now being dismantled by South Dublin Council. Are you the officiant?????

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1.51: I had visions of you being caught up in a controversy of some kind…Glad this is not the case….God help the couple.

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Why is this blog the only safe place to talk/discuss things – nothing off the table, no taboos, PJPIi said in Veritatis Splendour that the church was an expert in humanity but he also shut down discussion and debate – applying that old authoritarian canard of ‘this matter is closed because I say it’s close.’ Surely an expert in humanity would know that open and free discussion is a sign of maturity and interior security .
The authoritarian church is dying on its arse and guess what nobody is listening.
Condoms – no ones listening – they save lives (AiDS) and don’t have holes in them.
Masturbation – everybody does it and those who say they don’t are lying.
Homosexuality- leave the gays alone – focus more on the boardroom than the bedroom.
Child Abuse – criminal – long prison sentences.
Covering Uo Child Abuse – long prison sentences.
Compulsory Celibacy – medieval and perverted – a paedophile charter.
Clericalism – if your into it – run for the hills – it’s dying on its feet and retribution is coming – Catholic Spring like Arab Spring – lay people will take back the church and the streets will flow with blood (French Revolution).
Refusing Communion – FFS get a life!!!
Ah that feels so much better – what a great place this blog is!!
I’ll just go and get some pop corn the Cath Bots and rigid clerics won’t take any of that lying down.

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Should the Filipino priest from a recent blog story be receiving Holy Communion at this time? “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife.” He is not fit enough to stand at the altar and should be returned to lay state. Those in a clerical state should be living according to the commandments of God. Otherwise some are right to question the distinction between clerical state and lay state.

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No he should not – until he has sincerely repented. Just like Joe Biden shouldn’t until he repents of promoting abortion.

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The long shadow of JPII and his legacy is coming home to roost in his native Polandhttps://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/05/12/poland-priest-homophobia-conversion-therapy-gay-limanowa-klaudi-aszubert-lgbt-free/

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“In the Biden case, it is because he does not accept a total abortion ban.”
No. Biden stridently advocates for abortion and unashamedly promotes the entire abortion agenda and narrative.
How can such a man be regarded as a Catholic in good standing? We have always been told that we must be in a state of grace to receive Communion – not in a state of deliberate mortal sin.
What part of Thou shalt not kill do they not understand in Washington and, sadly, the Vatican?

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“Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Doesn’t he leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.”
People who are not adhering to the 10 commandments are lost sheep. All anyone can do is try to guide them on the right path. People have free will.
“And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.”

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It would seem the Rev. Canon Dr. Thomas Paul Edgar Nener ( known as Fr Paul Nener )
has been involved in Court proceedings before. Again, in this instance, Canon Paul Nener was defending the wrong person(s). In this case the abuser, whom Canon Nener was defending during proceedings, was convicted at Liverpool Crown Court of the molestation of a child.
Is there more to come out about this lot in the news?

httpss://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/5840119.head-teacher-jailed-molesting-boy/

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