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THE ORDINATION OF MR STEPHEN WILSON TO THE DIACONATE.

Stephen Wilson

We have been told that the Maynooth seninarian, Mr Stephen Wilson is to be ordained to the diaconate today at 3 pm in St Patrick’s Cathedral, Armagh.

Yesterday I sent the email below to Archbishop Eamon Martin.

I copied it to the Papal Nuncio in Dublin and to the chancellor, vicar general and diocesan secretary of tge Armagh archdiocese.

I have absolutely no personal grievance against Mr Wilson. I have never met him and as far as I know, he has never done me the slighest wrong.

I wish him no personal harm or disadvantage.

Below, is an excerpt from the Roman Pontifical on the ordination of deacons:

The bishop asks: “Do you judge them to be worthy”.

He is answered, very often by the president of the seminary, in this case Michael Mullaney:

“After inquiry among the people of Christ, and upon recommendation of those concerned with their training, I testify that they have been found worthy”.

In my opinion, the recommendations of the president or staff of Maynooth cannot be relied upon.

And I know that a number of “the people of Christ” have communicated with Archbishop Eamon Martin on this matter and they did not recommend this man either. Quite the contrary.

THE KERRY EXAMPLE

The Kerry clergy will tell you that they believe that Ray Browne ordained Fr Sean Jones (King Puck) to spite me and the blog.

Is Eamon Martin doing the same?

Is he ordaining Stephen Wilson to spite someone or something?

If so, what a dreadful reason for an ordination.

This matter is far from ended!

125 replies on “THE ORDINATION OF MR STEPHEN WILSON TO THE DIACONATE.”

I’m VERY pleased Stephen is being ordained to the diaconate and soon, to the priesthood. He is a good man, a faithful servant of God and has persevered through baseless accusations, keeping his eyes firmly fixed on Jesus.

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The principle of innocent until/ unless proven guilty stands here. It is you who are to present the facts and proofs of guilt. Hearsay is not enough. There has been enough time for any such concrete evidence to be presented and it has clearly not been provided.

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In the Eastern / Orthodox Church if the people in the Ordination shout ” Non Axios ” ie ” He is not worthy ” the Ordination is not completed . Before God if there is an objection for valid reasons it can not be not be ignored by the Bishop .

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@1:37 I think it’s more likely that the people of God find Stephen to be worthy and it’s the baseless accusations of this blog and it’s author that they shout non axios to!

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At 11.22, no one is worthy of priesthood?? I should have thought worthiness to priesthood a distinct liability.

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One shouldn’t judge by appearance, but……..he doesn’t half look gormless!
And if he is gormless, like so many other RC clerics we’ve read about here, …..well isn’t that just par for the course?
But to be serious, he’s probably just another naive, simple minded well intentioned young cradle Catholic………lamb to the slaughter !

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What do you infer by this comment 12:10? You seem to infer some negative perspective on me based solely on my comment. At least my opinion was based on a visual representation: yours seems dependent simply on the vacuity of your imagination.

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This Stephen Wilson’s name has appeared regularly on this blog over the last couple of years. I’m not sure exactly what it is that caused that to be the case, nor do I know what he is supposed to have done, or what it is about him, his character and his behaviour, that would render him unsuitable for priesthood. Would someone be good enough to refresh our memories on this one ? Certainly, the pattern of behaviour of a candidate for priesthood should be instructive as to whether that person is suitable for ordination. I don’t doubt that in this case of Stephen Wilson this will involve sexuality, practice of that sexuality, relationships, behaviour in contradiction to the Church’s requirements of celibacy and chastity expected of clergy and those aspiring to be priests. However, there are other aspects which should be looked at as well, which often don’t seem to figure in any assessment. For example, the theological and liturgical mindset of the candidate should be carefully looked at and be in conformity with Vatican II and how the Church has developed in some areas in theological, pastoral and liturgical thinking and practice. I know young priests who are being ordained who act and behave, at least in their public persona, as if they are pre-Vatican II clerics wallowing in traditionalist and rigourist theological, pastoral and liturgical behaviours and practices. The usual signs are an exalted sense of clerical exceptionalism and privilege, an inordinate interest in lace, birettas, fiddleback vestments, rubrics, Latin (even though most of them would not have a clue how to understand any Latin other than that which they have memorised by rote in order to celebrate Latin Mass !), and moral and pastoral stances which are extremely conservative, traditionalist and rigourist. As I say, this is the persona they portray in their public lives, whereas so often with these same people there is another life in private – cliquish, gossipy, overtly gay and camp, extra curricular activities involving sexual activity and relationships, questionable frequenting of gay bars, saunas and cruising sites, physical and digital – all of which sits uneasily with the Church’s clear expectation of a certain level of probity and decent behaviour from men who are proclaiming themselves as chaste and celibate. Are these considerations also not important when deciding whether seminarians should be advanced to priesthood. Do any of these apply in the case of Stephen Wilson ?

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Why don’t people use paragraphs? I’m 👀 at you, 09:26.

PS, your manifesto has been tried and failed since the 60s. If you go to Mass – I doubt you do – look around you. Old ladies and children is what you’ll see.

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8:56, the use of paragraphs would have been good alright.
What Masses are you going to? Old ladies and children aren’t the only people going to Mass.

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8.56
It’s highly unlikely you’d know the difference between traditional and traditionalist. Yes. ‘Traddy’ is about the right level of your intelligence.

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We have had a few seminarians in our parish who fit into the type described by Donkey Dodo @ 0926. It was easy to tell that they were living one life when on duty – and it is described perfectly by 0926 – and then there was a distinct whiff of the other life when they thought they were off duty. I was quite surprised. When I mentioned it, I was told that I didn’t understand the clerical life and how it was lived. Yeah ??!!

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I think it was during the 2018 summer of endless love at Maynooth, he made his debut, amongst others, on the blog.

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11:39
What was Dermo referring to when he talked about “strange goings on” in Maynooth during the summer of love and why were restrictions introduced eg new doors, communal rosary, a rector appointed and a dean to dine with the sems?

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My understanding from this blog is that Diarmuid Martin was the only one to act on the summer of ’16.
“One returned to give thanks, but the other nine were not heard of again.”
In all walks of life people keep making the same mistakes over and over again until they learn from there mistakes. It seems that the church hasn’t learned lessons of previous bad appointments and will continue to pay for it in the long-term be that financially, reputationally or otherwise.
“A study from the University of Chicago found that we often don’t learn from our mistakes at all. In fact, mistakes can actually undermine learning: Over the course of five different experiments, when participants were told they got something wrong, they shut down and did worse on subsequent tasks.”

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Oooohhh, the saunas will be opening up soon, and the clergy boys will be flocking for a bit of fun after such a famine…..

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1:02 pm – I assure you I will run into a number of them in the coming weeks. I’ll give you a list of names in due course….. And, if I don’t see them there, then I will surely spot them on Grindr or out an about the lay-bys and cruising places. Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose…..

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COMMENTS NOT PUBLISHED

Overnight the blog has received a large number of comments both in support of and anti-Mr Wilson.
These comments were not published as they contained foul language and extreme content.

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Soon to be Rev Mr Wilson. He is getting the ordination denied to so many of the bores, malcontents, spoiled priests, Blackpool molls, abbey-lubbers, weirdos, aged nuns, queens and butch lezzers who comment here.

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yes and yes agsin from the dsybthis msn will be a HOLY DEACON we need to humbliy seek his blessing and to show gratefulness for it after that time for HE is now a changed person to become HOLY we are the dheep and he is the vine thst feeds us

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3.45: I hope you, mr. pervert, will take all necessary precautions when you visit gay saunas or wherever you get your orgasms: we don’t want you spreading viruses all over the place. Shame on you.

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3.45: So, you’re a sex cruiser too as you promise to titilate us with your gay sauna, lay by experiences.. Don’t you just love these thicks who come on this blog…You are a regular visitor i suspect…Plus ca change, plus c’est me meme chose…😁😁😁😁😁

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Thanks for that. I do believe in freedom of speech but there are limits. Sometimes, I think you have been too lenient with all sides.
👍😊
Gangad Lad

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The church is very shrewd. As suggested on this blog before, bad appointments can cost the church in the long run. The cost of year long sabbaticals or selling off property for compensation. Is the church as influenced by money as suggested?
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.

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Alright, Del boy – Alright, Trig-
How’s Dave, Del boy- Rodney’s fine, Trig-
Bit of a barney on the blog today, Del boy.
Whatever, Trig, whatever….
How many brooms would ye need to clean a Church, Del boy?
Haven’t the foggiest! Trig. Haven’t the foggiest!
Oh; I thought ye’d know, Del boy!
Yer thinkin, too much, Trig, Yer thinkin too much! Bloody hell!
Now, where did Grandad leave the Jack Daniels??

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You’re going off topic there on that Only Fools and Horses theme; I should have watched Friday the 14th on Friday when it was actually Friday the 14th! I happened to watch it last night. The Trotters fishing trip to Cornwall and the invisible game of snooker! 🐟 🎏 🎣 Classic! 😂

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Shammy boy, it costs US the lay folk, not the Church, cos we are the ones that pay the bills. The clergy are totally dependent on the laity for their living.

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Bishop Pat do not get like the Catholic Church Bishops “it is all ME” as you are far too Good to go down to that level.
A Bishop would not stop an ordination because of your blog or gossip as it is to risky for a Bishop to take the risk of not ordaining someone suitable for the priesthood.
Yes the Bishops of Ireland and the UK do not like the blog but they know sometimes it is spot on.
Archbishop Martin has to ordain Stephen Wilson as his formators and the Rector have presented him for ordination and Archbishop Martin would be is horrific bother if he did not ordain him due to Pope Francis’s new rules on Bishops.

What is needed is evidence and Stephen Wilson to admit to the TRUTH but clergy, deacons and seminarians are good liars and you only need to think of the father Ger case to see how good a liar they can be.

You will recall Archbishop Jude Okolo did not want Big Tom but he had to because all he had was gossip but Archbishop Jude made his sign the paperwork on the Altar a First in the history of the Church and so far Big Tom has been watching himself.

I think there maybe a cover up going on with Stephen Wilson and people should make it know over this next year to the Papal Nuncio not Archbishop Martin.

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We need our priests and love our priests. No one can get to Heaven without a priest. People must stop calling Stephen Wilson by his name it is a sin not to call him Rev.

We are nothing without our priests and deacons. Pope Be edict says that the priesthood is a gift and he is right. So stop grumbling about priests little moral peccadilloes and give thanks every day to God for these men and dog deep in your pockets to support them, it is a serious (mortal) sin not to.

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here here the post thst you write us a good one it telks the truth about the HOLY PRIESTS andbwe neec to say thanjs to them everyday for looking after our souks no one can get to HEAVEN without the tender HOLY HANDS of a PRIEST everynone else is going to HELL which is where you will weep and gnashed your teeth and for those thst have none false ones will be given out you wait

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@6:14 & 11:44: I just shake my head in sympathy at comments like yours. And there’s no point trying to explain why to you both. It would simply be beyond you.

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There’s hypocrisy here. Many young people are sexually active in their teenage years. People are entering seminary later than used to be the case. It’s not reasonable to expect that the transition to celibacy would happen as soon as the seminary threshold is crossed. Candidates for ordination are children of their age – not vestal virgins.

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how daring you the HOLY GOD does not call to the HOLY PRIESTHOOD ones that have been STAINED by the sex

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Someone who is sexually active outside marriage shouldn’t be entering a seminary. How can they be a moral guide to others and teach the Church’s teachings if they cannot follow them? A twenty stone smoker doesn’t become a fitness instructor.

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1:32
You don’t expect the good Lord to abide by all of your shoulds and should nots.

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Sex as a “gift from God” which belongs in committed relationships and marriage as a sacrament of commitment are two of the themes included in new sex education resources for Catholic schools.
The church allows the marriage of parents with children already. This to me shows an understanding of intimacy in a committed relationship. There is scope for the church to work on it’s message of committed relationships. It’s a tricky message for the church to be fair. They advocate the ideal of intimacy within marriage. Where people fall short of that ideal, the church could improve the message of advocating committed relationships. Encouraging people to be respectful of each other and to get to know one another. A society that encourages respect might see women less afraid of walking the streets as was on the news from London in recent weeks.
There is health advice to back up the churches position. It’s a discussion to be had.

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Marriage wasn’t always a sacrament, Shammy boy, not until the 12th century. So your argument about sex kinda goes limp here.

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When Israel Was a Child I Loved Him – A Meditation on the Heavenly Father’s Love

‘Fond memories – When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son … 3 It was I who taught Ephraim to walk, taking them by the arms; but they did not realize it was I who healed them. 4 I led them with cords of human kindness, with ties of love; I lifted the yoke from their neck and bent down to feed them.’

http://blog.adw.org/2016/07/israel-child-loved-meditation-heavenly-fathers-love/

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The aul organ’s getting tuned up on the webcam.

Isn’t diaconate ordination when the bishop traditionally preaches about celibacy to the ordinand? I hope there’s no sniggering among the assembled priests.

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Do you not realise how sad and pathetic you sound @2.36pm. Clearly another Sem reject. It’s so obvious dear.

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Nice one at 3.42.

Yes, who in his right mind would want to be part of a priestly caste that has mired itself so intractably in a moral sludge of its own making to the point of becoming a focus of fathlomless global and utter contempt?

It is said that a person shouldn’t shit on his own doorstep, but Catholic priests have been doing this for so long and so copiously that standing next to even one of these moral misfits and criminals should induce a person to scrub himself in the shower afterwards to reduce the risk of contamination.

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It’s funny that 2:46 thinks that calling someone a seminary reject might be an insult? Is there any group that is more despised, feared and pitied than RC priests? Surely a person would be relieved to be not part of that dysfunctional brotherhood of paeds and pervos?

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Your remark is unchristian and disgraceful, Buckley!
His Eminence Sean Cardinal Brady was obeying Church law at the time and therefore GID’S LAW.

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it is CRUEL the things thst are being lied on this blog about the HOLY PRIESTS go out the day to the highways and the byeways the lanes and the loneys and hug a HOLY PRIEST and to tell him that you will be his SIMON IF CYREENY to carry the CROSS that he is dragging behind snd the biggest part of it being thus BAD BLOG the HOLY GOD is ANGRY to this blog and all the ones thst red it you will PAY and the HOLY PRIEDTS WIll have the biggest laugh and it will be the loudest

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Prayers for miracles
Lord Jesus, I come before you, just as I am. I am sorry for my sins, I repent of my sins. Please forgive me. In Your name, I forgive all others for what they have done against me.

SAY THIS MIRACLE PRAYER DAILY & It will change Your Life!

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Rubbish! Miracles are as rare as hens’ teeth.

And you cannot forgive those who do not want to be forgiven. God does not forgive us unless we request forgiveness. Do you really think he would expect any of us to do what he will not do?

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Ah well, they are stuck with Wilson now. Unless, of course, they do a Gorgeous on him and don’t take him up to the next level. That could happen if he doesn’t behave himself, or other things emerge. He’ll keep his pecker in his pants and his tongue in his mouth until he’s ordained a priest. Then, meal ticket for life even if you get caught out !

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You know, its a bit premature to say Wilson will be on a meal ticket for life. Most Catholics these days don’t bother with Mass, nor with making donations to clerics; that golden goose is laying fewer and fewer eggs now. Those that do are a rapidly dying breed. Wilson could find himself plying a different trade eventually just to make ends meet.

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6.21: What lovely encouragement you give!! Bit like telling a couple on their wedding day to enjoy the honeymoon because from their on, life will break you apart! So, make hay while the sun shines: there will be horrible days: be prepared. You big thick ignoramus. Worse than useless. May God bless Stephen with strength and courage and keep him safe from haters – like your ilk.

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From what I’ve heard about Wilson (if even half of it is true), he doesnt believe in God, so he’ll hardly be asking him for ”strength and courage’, you deluded halfwit.
By the way, that married couple you mentioned probably work for a living, wheras priests do not. So my speculation about Wilson’s future may not be as wild as you seem to think.

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7.44: Priests din’t work… Awhhhhhh…Where did we hear that big lie before…Oh, on this blog by liars, haters and malcontents like you. Got great gifts today from parishioners….in gratitude for all we do….😁😂🤣😃🤣😂😉…you jealous idiot.

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Good to know your talent for sponging off the gullible hasn’t blunted with the years, Father.

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Good to see the Cardinal today in Armagh. Brendan Marshall looks well and good to see Fr Ryan too looking in good form. Let’s hope both Deacons today will be ordained to the Priesthood soon.

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Not sure what you were watching, but neither of those people were in the Cathedral. Stirring crap, I assume?

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@6.51pm I never claimed I was watching it, you assumed I did. If you where present then you would have seen for yourself. You make lots of assumptions don’t you??

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Trying to take on a former barrister?
You’re basically doing what Dr Christian did to Arlene. I smell a defamation case coming on!!!

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If he’d had been a good barrister then he wouldn’t be ‘former’. Loads of inadequates in the legal profession – but the really inadequates tend to quit.

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Are you kidding yourself! On the basis of one liturgy the church is strong!
Get a grip-delusional ideation, if ever.

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Didn’t Elsie ordain a young fella last September – a pretty boy LGBT campaigner?
Hasn’t Grumpy Stock of Leeds ordained a civil union lad who keeps banging on about his late partner in sermons etc?
Didn’t McMahon of Liverpool ordain Matthew Jollie of 3 years in gaol fame for child abuse.
Ordaining gays and miscreants is de rigeur and ‘of the parish.’
It’s freemasonarr albeit gay freemasonary – what’s interesting is that it’s getting bold and brazen, devil do care, do they look like they give a fig.
Wilson is of the parish from the off – at least Bishop Pat will be able to say I told you so when it goes tits up – which it will bet ya any money.

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Prior to this pontificate, the ordination of gay men was done a “don’t ask, don’t tell” basis. It was known to go on, but people pretended it wasn’t going on.

Now, it’s all out in the open. I suppose that is more honest.

Culchies used to put up tricolours and papal flags when a local lad was ordained. They now might as well put up pride flags too and be done with it.

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9:17 pm

So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, adieu
Adieu, adieu, to yieu and yieu and yieu
So long, farewell, au revoir, auf wiedersehen

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Don’t be siily!
Individuals in positions of authority have responsibilities to the Church, society but primarily to Almighty God. They have their rewards now-just desserts to come.

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7 44: When someone begins a sentence with “from what I’ve heard”, it’s pure hearsay and has no real validation, unless of course you know Stephen personally and closely, which I suspect you don’t! You silly little queenie gossipers: halfwit!! Go back to school.

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From what I’ve heard, there is going to be a big revelation in Liverpool in the coming months.
But, as you say regarding these things, 8:39 pm… “It’s pure hearsay and has no validation…”
Until the news breaks, of course 🤢 🤮 😈

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At 8.39, you really are a handful intellectually, aren’t you?
Yes, you deluded halfwit, I WAS aware it was hearsay, which is why I chose that form of words. Nevertheless, ‘hearsay’ is not, for that reason, necessarily untrue.
If Wilson did even half the stuff he’s accused of, he should NEVER have been ordained.
Wilson did not deny any of the accusations against him on this blog; instead, he went to ground. (Hoping the storm would blow over?) His silence in the face of such significant and serious matter, including homosex on a church altar, is extremely telling…to those of us not as blind as you.

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9.01: How perfect a piece of creation are you? Stop being so mendacious and unkind. You depend too much on gossip, innuendo and hearsay. Find something more useful to do with your time.

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At 9.56, so you accept, after all, that Wilson may have done those things, including homosex on a church altar? But sure it was morally okay to ordain him anyhow, wasn’t it? Aren’t we all less than perfect? But we all deserve second, third, fourth…chances, don’t we? Even Lucifer.

Jesus Christ! You people are truly morally retarded and spiritually backward.

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9.01
Hearsay? In a court of law you’d be a laughing stock – as indeed you are.

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This story is indeed very peculiar.
Meanwhile, in Liverpool and Chester, is Canon Paul Nener still officiating at St. Agnes’s of Ullet Road, Liverpool 8, even thought he has had both Permission To Officiate(s)(PTOs) revoked by the Diocese of Liverpool?
Who is it who actually Safeguards these problems and issues?

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10:34 pm
They are frighteningly morally arrested as well as extremely spiritually blind.
It’s the blind, leading the blind….

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Even the blind have canes to guide them, and they don’t fuck up as much as these guys do.
Just saying like 😂

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If this be the case, it is a sure sign of not that big a change in the area of Church Safeguarding. I hope IICSA will make necessary changes.
If indeed Canon Thomas Paul Edgar Nener, really is waltzing into parishes which are currently “interregnum”, then there needs to be action taken. Very quickly!
Incidentally, any, and all, highly dangerous and wicked individuals should be carefully monitored and not given access to possible vulnerable persons.
A ticking disaster, is Doctor Nener, waiting to happen!

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11.06
If you could, very briefly, outline the theological, ecclesiological and pneumatological bases for your position (4 or 5 one-sentence points) it would be most enlightening. Thank you! A curious Roman Catholic

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OMG…I truly hope that the Archbishop will file away the letter from Larne and along with the other letters and emails received, present them to the PSNI as proof of on-going harrassment, malicious intent and unnecessary and unwarranted interference. Your intrusiins are morally repugnant. God bless all who are vilified on this blog.

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Cardinal Sean Brady has admitted that it never occurred to him to go to the police when a 14 year old Dundalk boy told him about the abuse he had suffered at the hands of the paedophile priest Brendan Smith. So why would you wheel out a notorious nonce defender at an questionable ordination? I am surprised the Holy See hasn’t imposed sanctions on the odious Brady to be honest, encouraging him to lead a low key life of prayer and penance. Having him at your ordination would be like inviting the grim reaper….

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I see the Irish Church Music Assc is congratulating Stephen on their Facebook page: “Congratulations to Stephen Wilson, who was ordained a deacon yesterday in Armagh. Stephen is a regular participant at ICMA summer school, where he also assists with liturgies”. One of their own?

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