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THE “GAYING” OF THE CATHOLIC PRIESTHOOD.

Even as a gay man myself I am deeply disturbed by the transformation of the Catholic priesthood into a gay cabal.

And in the “gay community” there are two types of people – people with morals and principles – and people with no morals and no principles.

And from what I can see – the Catholic Gay Clerical Cabal is filled with those with no morals and no principles.

In the USA this horrible phenomenon was represented by ex Cardinal Ted McCarrick and his followers.

Because of its smaller size Ireland now has a smaller but equally vicious Clerical Gay Cabal.

The Irish Clerical Gay Cabal consists of secular priests who work in dioceses and priests in religious orders. It also contains a small number of very senior clerics and religious superiors.

And its not just about sex. Its about secrecy, lies, cover-up and above all else about each of its members protecting and promoting each other.

Its also about being vicious and nasty to non cabal members – especially heterosexuals.

The priesthood should not be under the control of any particular segment.

The priesthood needs to be as universal and as diverse as possible – like the community it serves. So it needs people from all and every place.

When I started in seminary in 1970 the priesthood was much more diverse. In those days any priest who “ran away” usually ran away with a woman.

Im sure there were gay priests – but they kept a lower profile then.

Having said that in the mid 1970s just before ordination I had three senior clergy come on to me – a senior monk and two older PPs.

Maybe gay priests have been freed and emboldened by the changed attitudes in society in general on homosexuality.

And then there was the sexual revolution.

When I was in the seminary and as a young priest I regarded things like “impure thoughts” and masturbation as serious sins, especially for a seminarian or priest, and ran to Confession regularly about those things.

McQuaid

I remember Archbishop John Charles McQuaid, quoting the then priest professor of psychology in UCD, who said that any seminarian who had not stopped masturbating by the end of his second year in the seminary, should be expelled.

Now the priests and religious are masturbating in cars on beaches, patronising gay saunas, having group sex in seminaries and presbyteries, having sex on altars and the rest.

Any yet the RC church officially teaches what it taught 50 years ago.

Its all very strange.

And it does not bode well for the future.

174 replies on “THE “GAYING” OF THE CATHOLIC PRIESTHOOD.”

Some English bishops have threatened to remove faculties from their priests they believe are connected with this blog. Shrewsbury, Portsmouth and now Westminster have secretly communicated this to clergy. Are you aware of this Pat?

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A priest friend in Westminster was summoned before Elsie and told not to communicate with the bishop of the Irish sea border in any way or face sanction. No coffee was offered. Not helped by fellow clergy reporting him to Elsie.

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Given the capacity to use Anon comments or pseudonyms one really needs to ask how people get caught by their bishop when commenting here? Is it really easier to catch a fellow on a blog than in a sauna?

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Honestly 10:42 tells us all anyone could ever want to know about Westminster – you can’t confide in your colleagues and the archbishop is a bully.
Come to think of it the mere fact a cleric feels he has to comment here is a dead giveaway.
I notice among Elsie’s current subjects at Allen Hall are a high proportion who aren’t native to the diocese and obviously that’s how they keep up numbers there.

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@1.09
Do you mean to say that the seminary and priest population of Westminster reflect the general population of Westminster? After all, London is multicultural.

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@8:13 no I don’t. I mean people of whatever race who haven’t lived in the diocese nor have any apparent connection with it. Recruiting solely within the diocese would result in far broader spectrum of people.

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Well, if that is true, then it simply means that + Pat is on to something, and they don’t like it. You only react like that to something that strikes home and has a ring of truth to it. If it was all bullshit you would just shrug it off. So, the only reason these bishops would be threatening clergy is because they know what is being said and reported is the truth. Simple.

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It is true. +Egan has told certain clergy in private not to have any contact with Buckley’s blog. It has become a concerted campaign. He is not the only one.

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11:20 pm— This is very telling, that English Bishops are threatening their priests into not interacting with this blog. . .
. . . I have a feeling you’re onto something big, Patsy, darling dearest.
Don’t let go, keep up the fantastic work— let’s pull out ALL THE STOPS!
Let’s make this a Summer to remember 😎 x

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I am sure his Lordship bishop Egan advises his priests against visiting gay saunas—- they still do it though.

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@10.42am This is quite alarming censorship and basically a dictatorship. I wondered just the other day why we have not heard much about England recently on the blog. As bad as Eamonn Martin is I don’t think he would even stoop so low in fairness to him.

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Pat @ 11.15am I forgot about that. I think that Armagh was worse than what Vincent is now allegedly trying to do. I have no time for clergy Pat but I don’t like how they are being secretly silenced.

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11.33
Ditto! Their silencing shouldn’t be a secret, but a cause for public celebration.🎉

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@7.39pm You have lots to learn and you clearly, like many clergy, haven’t been pulled in on the quiet. You are the one that needs to wise up and get real. You sound like a goody too shoes.

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Yes, the HOLY PRIESTS, disciples of the poor Nazarene, have inexpensive tastes. I mean what else would a simple priest drive but a plain old Audi. He wouldn’t be caught pissed, and endangering public safety, in anything else.

He does have his reputation to think of, you know.😕

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I think in legalese moderate means refers to him not being poor rather than the apparent meaning of only having moderate means.
What more interests me is the way the priest’s evidence is clearly called unreliable. Pissed our of his head, the bastard. A danger to himself and others and not a suitable moral leader.

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The Pope is a spin doctor with his false, attention-seeking displays of humility, always done with a camera nearby.

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Too late. They have taken over the shop. A heterosexual man would simply be disillusioned and they’d hound him in seminary till he turned, succumbed or left. Many of them have the morals of an alley cat and think nothing of having gay sex with numerous partners.

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I miss the erotic Parties with Michael Byrne. On St Mary’s Corridor. I loved Michael Byrne in his Sailor boy attire 😍💙

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11.53
It’s the excremental bacteria, dear. Tends to cling around longer on hairy posteriors.
Wake up and smell the … Well, you know, dear.

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12:02
It’s called washing and having good general hygiene; you should try it. Wash your mouth out while you are at it. This conversation is repugnant and unnecessary Bishop Pat.

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Fantasising about MB while you are drunk and alone at 3:31 am…😂
Get over him ye big bunch of girls….none of ye ever had a chance with him…..I doubt he was into ugly fem sems…

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I would suggest to him that he exfoliate with Veet, but the lad was a bit dim and would probably think I meant feet.

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Bishop, Pat, I’ve just read the Liverpool Echo.
I feel sick.
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httpss://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/boy-slept-outside-escape-abuse-20614142
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‘The now closed homes, both run by Liverpool charity the Nugent Care Society (Edge Lane, Liverpool) — formerly Catholic Social Services —, were intended to give troubled boys care, education and safety.’

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Jesus himself did not create priesthood, nor is there any evidence that he intended its creation by others. This much is clear from the New Testament, even if Roman Catholic tradition on the subject traditionally has looked the other way.
Priesthood by definition is exclusive, elitist, and in practice, a vehicle for religious snobbery and for self-seeking power junkets that almost inevitably corrupts those who enter it; the evidence for this is quite literally everywhere, cornucopic, and flatly undeniable. Some of it is even high theology.
It really does not matter whether priests be gay, straight, pansexual or asexual, either as individuals, or as a totality; sexuality here is relatively small beer.
Priesthood institutionally tends to corrrupt ALL who enter it, because it was born of disobedience to the will of Christ; it is the product of men, not of the man-god. If it isn’t priest-queers jockeying for position (no pun intended), it will be priest-straights, or any shade in between. It really does not matter the personnel, because ultimately, the personnel are not the fundamental problem. Nor is their sexuality.
Sinead O’Connor was ironically prophetic when she ripped up a picture of JPII on television while declaring about him ‘know your enemy!’. She was excoriated for this (And how!) by ‘good’ Catholics, including not a few priests. She was laughed at, and gaslighted as a celebrity nutter. But, again ironically, Sinead had the last laugh, since we now know that JPII had, for many years, an openly secret affair with a Polish philosopher (sexless apparently, though by ‘grace’ an exceedingly close-run thing), and protected other priests, paedophiles, like the notorious and fawning creep, Fr Maciel-Degollado, whom JPII publicly lionised, and praised as ‘an efficacious guide to youth’, when he was already briefed on this criminal’s sexually depraved conduct towards the very young.
Sinead missed the mark in one respect, but not by a wide margin: she identified JPII alone as the enemy rather than primarily the institution of priesthood.
Such was the corrupting influence of priesthood that it led a pope, JPII, to flaunt openly the violation of his celibacy promise and to ruthless disregard for the welfare of children in order to protect his perverted colleagues. Priesthood demands of a person self-indulgence rather than moral self-discipline. And, as the mounting evidence shows, usually it suceeds, as it did with JPII (though perhaps not all the way to sainthood for others).
Get rid of priesthood, an anomaly by the will of God, and the Church will recover. It will not do so until this corrupt institution is dissolved, again by the will of God.
Those who offer financial support to priests … whether gay, straight, or otherwise … ordinarily are propping up an institution which Jesus did not ordain and does not sustain, but which is taking him to Calvary, and infinitely back there.

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Magna, your analysis of institutional corruption is accurate. I’m afraid however that the old boys club-like RCC organisation is impervious to reasoned debate as well as blind to the ‘writing on the wall.’ And of course there are countless others, clerical and lay who we might term cathbots and may not act corruptly, but otherwise support the malaise, like selfishly concerned clerics looking after No 1, or misguided laity’s financial support.
But the writing is certainly ‘on the wall’ and the clergy mostly too institutionally stupid to see it. Diminishing religious interest in the ‘developed’ world together with curtailed financial contributions will see off the RCC as the ‘West’ has known it. But in the less developed world it will persist in some form, until demographic and technological changes erode it there too.

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4:30 a.m.
The literature on ministry in the first three centuries before Nicea (325) is vast and enjoying something of a contemporary revival.

The poster m c displays no evidence of any familiarity with this corpus. When he says this or that is clear what he means is he’s too lazy to find out what scholars are saying.

His a priori attempts at reasoning collapse on first principles.

One hopes his 4.30 a.m. meanderings are not indicative of the onset of something bad.

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11.56

I doubt whether MC is interested in such corpora, for a reason which appears to have sailed right over your inordinately small head: the New Testament nowhere validates priesthood, much less its revival. Quite the contrary. So the ‘corpus’ you laud has no legitimacy whatever. I know you don’t want to hear this, ‘Father’, but the truth must be told, mustn’t it, even to those too self-assured to listen?

As for your attempted disparagement of MC (‘his a priori attempts at reasoning collapse on first principles’), you really shouldn’t retaliate with nonsense sentences: they only get you laughed at.

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12.17
A vast and expanding corpus of scientific research has no legitimacy? From someone who is too lazy or too inept to familiarise himself with it, much less to engage with it?
What kind of education takes place in the six counties to produce such barbarianism?

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12.17
To judge something (judicare) before (pre) examining evidence is more commonly known as prejudice.
Tracing the historical origins and reception of such crucial concepts as episkopos, diakonos, hiereus, presbuteros in the biblical and patristic periods is a fascinating and illuminating focus of international research whose significance is difficult to evaluate because of its breadth, inter alia.
Where crass ignorance is bliss it’s folly to be wise.

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1.40
Oh, dear! It’s Groundhog day yet again, and I’m back, for the umteenth time, with the pretentiously simpleminded.
The evidence has already been examined, but some, like you, have ignored it. Jesus himself did not create priesthood: it evolved from the offices you mentioned and was entirely a human project from start to finish..

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2.24
I believe you claimed in a moment of more than normal weakness, you possessed two doctorates.
Your reluctance to marshal evidence and inability to evaluate it would suggest that that claim was one of your less-spectacular lies.
It’s highly unlikely you completed A Levels.
The only scientific method you assimilated is when argument is weak, bluff and bluster.

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Maynooth Seminary experience does involve the intimate sexual encounter and exploration of whether you are a Top or Bot. 👿🏳️‍🌈

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+ Pat,
Will you please contact + Phonsie and ask him
to contact me ASAP-PRONTO-URGENTLY, in relation to setting up a meeting with him.
I wrote to him early April, but we had to cancel arranged meetings
for a variety of reasons. Please tell him it’s in relation to a matter dating
back to 2010 which is under the Seal of Confession. (Remains the case).
Also tell him, 2012 – (1) MMA-15 minutes, very likely to have been St. Benedict ???.
+ Pat, that’s a Confirmation for, + Phonsie.
(The Powers That Be Know This Already; long story, Pat; – with knowledge comes responsibilities).
Tell, +Phonsie, I have a number of practical concrete suggestions for his consideration
for immediate implementation. Tell him; we’ll chat; I’d like him to hear my confession;
then we’ll discuss further initiatives in the medium term. (We’ll walk, before we run!)
Please God, we’ll be running before very long. You can also tell him, I said, I’m paddling, and
still paddling, my own canoe, for years.
Thank you, + Pat.
Kind regards, ABK.
(P.S Pat, I’ll keep you updated from time to time using the above.)

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Since the hierarchy is, presumably, grade A, one hundred per cent, entirely bent as a nine bob note, the queering of the Irish priesthood is not a recent phenomenon.

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Alright, Del boy – Alright, Trig-
How’s Dave, Del boy- Rodney’s fine, Trig-
Any truth to all this priest wanking off, Del boy? Leave it out, Trig.
I’m not God, Trigger! I’m not ominwhats it called –
watching who’s up to what- where- when- and- how often-with who.
Yer getting as bad as ‘Rodders’; ‘Don’t be a plonker all your life,’ Trig.
The LORDS the lotto, Trig. The LORDS the lotto! It could be you! Cushty!

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You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: “‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”
I have sympathy for people who are in the LGBT+ community. A clerical lapse of a vow is forgiven and there is compassion. Premarital intimacy is forgiven and there is compassion. There is the topic of today’s blog and the blind eye being turned. The love of the LGBT+ community then is frowned upon.
The church’s position in society to encourage intimacy within a committed relationship is damaged. At the same time they have a valid message for society. Medical experts also agree with their valid message. Sometimes people prefer to stick their heads into the sand than to hear a valid message.
“And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.”

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I’m afraid Anon@10:43, that Shammy boy won’t even follow the advice of his own penultimate sentence: .”…people stick their head in the sand, …..won’t hear a valid message ”
He has become an obsessive bore!

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There does seem to be a culture amongst a good number of young priests and seminarians that they do not need to conform to the requirements of chastity and celibacy that they promise – at least not privately. And so, they live in a double, parallel existence whereby in public they exhibit almost as a mechanism for persuading themselves and those around them that they are living good priestly lives, quite rigourist tendencies, indicated by their dress, demeanour, liturgical practice, and their moralistic pastoral practice, but in private they move in to a demi-world of gay promiscuity and a strange kind of gay social culture which calls for secrecy, being economical with the truth, living a separate hidden gay life. I see it all around me, in my local seminary as well as with young priests in parishes.
Besides the obvious gulf between their public promise of chastity and celibacy and the way they live a hidden and parallel gay life, what really worries me about this culture is the damage and harm that is done in so many ways to these priests themselves, to the people they serve, and to the Church. As to the priests themselves, they become masters at duplicity and at hiving off large areas of their lives which are out of kilter with what they profess to be. They are like Venn Diagram circles which barely entwine and barely touch; two very separate lives being lived by one person. This leads to a moral and ethical erosion which means that they are able to justify and accept too easily any other moral compromise that comes their way. As to the people they serve, well they are not fools, and many of them will have some instinctive understanding of the duplicity and inconsistency in the lives of these priests, and as a result do not trust them. For the Church, which lays so great emphasis on the priesthood as a crucial element of the life of the Church and the means by which God’s grace is ministered to people, it is like having a cuckoo in the nest which throws out all that is good as it begins to grow and take over. In that there is only one disastrous outcome. It is not a happy picture. Solutions ? A way forward ?

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It is excellent +Pat, in analysis, but it’s the seeking of “solutions ” I demure from.
I view the RCC, as a parasitical self serving institution. The alleged “good” done for humanity can be achieved without it’s hallmarks of institutionalised discord, abuses and corruption.
“Saving the Church” is not a ‘solution’, but a postponement of its eventual demise.
MMM

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A solution would be for the for the formation staff to actually live on the same corridors as the seminarians. At Oscott the staff have self contained apartments separate from the main building. They do not hear the late night parties, the clinking of gin glasses and the tiptoeing between rooms late at night… There should also be a curfew as there is no reason for a seminarian to he out after 11pm at night.

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When I was in Clonliffe we were not allowed in each others rooms after 9 pm.
We got out two days a werk – Thursday and Sunday.

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9.08
An obvious question here. If you see it all around you, that young priests are leading such duplicitous gay sex liives , how do you know this if you aren’t part of that subculture?
Oh, hold the horses! You ARE part of that subculture. Either this, or you have made up your entire post.
By the way, seminarians don’t make promises of celibacy, not until they are ordinands. I’m sure someone of your high intelligence will appreciate the difference.

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Seminarians don’t make promises of celibacy but they are still bound by the moral law befitting their state in life. Therefore, no fornication, adultery, masturbation, filthy talk, lusting, no girlfriends, or boyfriends or strange goings on if they belong to the majority population in the seminary.

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12.11
Ah, but they don’t make promises of celibacy! And this is the only point.
Unchaste behaviour by a seminarian is morally less culpable than that by one who has publicly promised to be celibate. The difference here is morally less a nuance and more a chasm, but I’m sure you won’t see it.

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I agree with your entirely accurate analysis. Unfortunately, I have no idea where we go from here. I doubt anybody has. Maybe this is real test of faith whereby we entrust ourselves to the Lord, rather than try to manage a broken institution. Yesterday, we had Old Mother Burke pontificating on timeless truths, but we are all called to conversion and change. Isn’t that the message of Easter, Ascension and Pentecost? Neither women priests, nor married priests, nor permanent deacons, nor lay busy-bodies, nor – though personally I am loath to admit it – a return to the Old Mass is going to get us out of this mess. I’d say, hang on and hope.

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I’m betting you’re salivating at the vey thought of that silly fiction.
Oh, well! Whatever floats your boat and lights your touchpaper.

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9.15: Ask Bishop Buckley: he was a frequent visitor to Killiney where McQuaid lived. There were lots of nooks and crannies in that house where any hand could have wandered privately!! And have quickies…Ih to have been a fly on the wall in the nooks where Pat and the Bishop used to sit, chat and look at each other.

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McQuaid and I always met in his upstairs study at the back of the house overlooking the garden.

The nuns brought us tea.

I never saw anything untoward on my visits.

Our conversations were about spiritual things and a bit of small talk – like the cost of a return bus ticket from Drumcondra to Killiney.

McQuaid always gave me the exact bus fare.

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There should be no alcohol in seminarians rooms. Pubs were shut during Covid as the government realised that it lowers inhibitions and people start hugging and getting to close and spread the virus. In seminaries the presence of alcohol in student rooms, especially spirits, leads to a lowering of inhibitions and gay sex.

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Alcohol was strictly forbidden in student rooms in Maynooth in my time, and I saw it in Pugin Hall only once, after Kevvy Mac’s funeral. The town pubs and the SU were off limits too.

Now sems are in and out of the village pubs, which is another example of the decadent and undisciplined life of that parody of a seminary.

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Priest USA— Come on now, do you really expect us to niece that nonsense? Poppycock!
. . . More like 95.5 % 🤣 x

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The truth is that the seminaries are depleted. I know Pope Benedict wanted a slimmed down church, for whom Jesus died for the few not the many. This was supposed to see a purification, and a fitter healthier church. However, the reality is that we have the dregs at the bottom of the barrel being ordained. Even the formation staff in seminaries have not been chaste. Seminary formation needs a massive overhaul and a new way of training priests has to be found. Hauling them off to Valladolid has not worked and giving them a luxury villa in Spain to doss around in for pre formation has failed too.

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Priesthood itself is the problem. Tinkering at the periphery, like reform of seminary formation, will create only the appearance of resolution.
Better to demolish seminaries, along with the silly, insidious, ironic notion that a man could, by divine will, be vocated to priesthood when such was never itself the divine will.

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12.06
A priori reasoning? Bless.😊 You do make me smile indulgently; you really do.
You’re frightened, aren’t you? That (as you might put it) ‘my priesthood’ is not only a human contrivance, but anti-Christ? Hence the fractious, immature reaction. ‘Father’ has the jitters.
Jesus did not create priesthood; that’s a fact, a verifiable truth.
So how is my argument ‘a priori’? (You really shouldn’t use Latin expressions with which you are unfamiliar; God knows you have problems enough expressing yourself in English.)

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10.34am anon

Knee one deaf priest who went there to valladolid as a seminarian and was ordained by jpii. He left the priesthood cos has a baby with a woman now living together. Watching him on TV where he spoke of his experiences as a priest of over 25 years as he was scathing towards his now ex Bishop for dragging him so long. He felt he was led all along by his ex Bishop. Bishops not honest with their priests was my impression re his experiences.

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Found some priest back in 70s and 80s who were anti disability. I remember my late father blew his top against one priest who was disparaging us when he introduced him to me. All he needs a thump from me if he spoke to me now.

Reading this blog for months made me realise that priests were living on a lie for years. Trust in priests gone now as almost, nobody would trust them. A complete change from 70s/80s to now was from parish priest shagging a housekeeper in ex parish to gay priest nowadays.

What I should have taken notice more of ex gay friend who spoke to me about him having sex in a sauna in Dublin in 1990s which o found it very hard to believe that time.

They were living in a total secrecy that time and now they are more open flaunting their sexuality.

Reading an article by Jason Berry well known writer on Vatican. His question was, did jesus ordain his apostles? He was having a meal with his disciples, which says nothing of ordination,just a meal and praise etc which had me thinking. What if jesus didn’t ordain his disciples, just his breaking of bread and wine, nohng more than that?

His article :https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/confessions-vatican-source-jason-berry-mccarrick-report

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10.17: That nay gave been the rule…. IT….You and the rest of us traipsed around corridors and rooms well after that hour and it wasn’t with the intention of praying the Rosary!! Stories can bevtd of love letters and cards being placed under doors….Rather strange. Yes, many deeds took place or were tried, Pat!!

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Yes, in my seminary there was a weirdo who got off on leaving gay porno magazines in the grounds with the hope someone would pick them up. Thankfully he was caught and booted out.

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Michael voris said stop church of ‘nice’ cos being nice to rcc will get you nowhere. A damning assessment but true.

Think rcc in Ireland is in a free fall post pandemic. Cos it ceased to be relevant lockdown after lockdown with no support coming from our bishops towards laity, makes you wonder what’s going on?

90% of deaf community don’t go to mass or left rcc.

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There are only two religious groups which have wound up being the subject of subcultures of gay porn. One is Mormon missionaries and the other is RC priests. A quick Google reveals a film called Reverend Daddy and another called Priest Absolution: The Final F*ck.
And that tells us all we need to know – the priesthood is clearly connected with sex and abuse in the popular mind. And that’s not the fault of the popular mind.

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how daring you you will be PUNISHED by the HOLY GOD for the saying that HOLY PRIESTS are doing them things in the porn you wait its coming and coming soon

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There are many great priests. Many people and parishes are very thankful for that. Jesus sent the leper to a priest.
Those who are ill need a physician. Those who are wayward from the 10 commandments need a priest to guide them on the right path.
Any bishop worth his salt would cleanse the church community of those who are not fit enough to be in a clerical state.
PAX

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Sorry I meant there are a great many priests who are wayward not there are many great priests.
Peace be with you my brothers and sisters!

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1:20,
It’s Bishop Pat’s choice if he wants to allow you to post using some else’s username.
PAX

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1.20: Confused, confusing and all over the blog as usual: Seamus the VIII – what on earth do you do all day apart from an inordinate amount of time putting repeat lectures together for this blog. Can you not just get sick for a week or more? We need peace.

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The GAYING of the Catholic Priesthood…Oh the irony of the title: by the supreme, most prominent gay cleric that has existed….and because he finally found a partner after much prowling around and married, he believes he presents the ideal of both being GAY and being a PRIEST. Not so. Thank God I look to so many other good, refined, human and normal gay people and clerics for inspiration. When Pat descends frim his high moral pedestal and tries to journey compassionately and kindly with “fallen” and “failed” clerics, then I might take his promulgations and lectures seriously, though with a grain of salt. There is no doubting that priesthood as lived and understood today is in deep crisis. Many of us are battling with this but we remain focused in our ministry to the best of our abilities. God be with us and spare us from forked tongue hypocrites.

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12.34: An honest comment. But be prepared for a lynching as your view is deemed that of a serial cleric, one who tries to be at least intelligent and honest. Keep going even though we have been – and are and will be challenged in many ways about priesthood, celibacy, sexuality, ministry, being church, being Catholic, faith, religious belief, spurituality and being a good person first and foremost. Like many of us, you too are probably more than upset and disillusioned about the Church and priesthood of recent decades. Pentecost is upon us and I feel a resurgence of hope for myself and our Parish. We’ve had a great team since March, 2020 and our 1st weekend back was wonderful with all six masses full to our capacity of 150; indeed many sat in their cars! So, we build on what we have and try not to lose HOPE. You must not let the constant stream of negativity from this blog be a burden, even though some commenters – the intelligent ones – make accurate and reflective comments which are often challenging. Ignore the haters.

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So that is success to you? If you were telling the truth (not expected from a priest, especially these days), you’ve taken immense pride and satisfaction from having a total of 900 bums on your pews. Why does that please you so much? Because for every one of those attendees, at least three others had stayed away. And if you think that each of those present was a good, complainant Catholic, think again. Maybe it was just the thought of all that cash they might place your indolent way? 🤔
Living the nightmare, eh.

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@5:23 Surely the reason for ‘father’s’ satisfaction in 900 bums is obvious? The owners of the bums give generously.

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6.06
Yes, indeed. And it eases ‘Father’ ‘s increasing sense of irrelevancy, albeit for the moment.

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@5:23: Complainant Catholics who keep their mouths shut are rare. They’re more likely to be “compliant”, ………not commenting for fear of “typos!”

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A very welcome return for his intelligent comments. You, 12:57, conveniently disregard the many personal comments by cathbots.
Bishop Buckley is a model of charity and forbearance.

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7.30: At least it’s a “relevance” of some kind, whereas you never had nor won’t have ANY meaningful relevance. If you had meaningful interactions with other human beings, you’d not be the tortured, incomplete, mad, degenerate and pitiable specimen you’ve grown into.

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About the subject of alcohol and pubs – seminarians are in formation to be secular priests and I think that formation should reflect the reality that some years down the line they will have endless opportunities to go off the rails. I also suspect that the rules of previous seminary life are perhaps part of the problem. So I think seminarians should be frank with themselves and others about their own weaknesses, whether this be drink or anything else.
A total ban would likely result in the same problems priests have with sex and sexuality.

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The sooner Elsie and Carmel fade off into the sunset to spend the autumn of their lives in a caravan at Bognor Regis the better. They’ll have a lovely time playing the slot machines in the arcade and fish and chip suppers on the sea front.

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Arthur Roche detests you Patrick and your blog. He plays tennis with Marini and Arthur has the ear of Pope Francis. He has leaned heavily on +Vin about you.

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Don’t worry about Cockroach he had a favourite when he was spiritual director of the VEC, young good looking Salford priest who has since quit.

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And pray tell, WTF can Roche, Nichols or even Francis do to + Pat ? Nothing ! One of the beauties of Pat’s position is that he independent, all his dirt Is already out there, and he has nothing to hide. Unlike the rest of the RC bishops and priests, it seems. So, Roche and rant and lean as much as he wants, but nobody can do anything to prevent Pat from punishing what he believes is the truth. Sure as hell what he is saying is true, otherwise Roche and Nichols wouldn’t be getting so upset about it. Their discomfiture and frustration is a sure sign that what is said on this blog is the truth about them and their bishops and priests and seminarians.

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What is it about shutting young guys away in some ancient huge house built for hundreds of seminarians, where they rattle around and play at being holy (which means getting up for morning prayer and going to Mass), do a bit of questionably academic study, form in to little cliques that bitch and gossip away, drinking gin, having torrid little affairs with each other, and heading off on days off to the local saunas and gay cruising places ? Ah, I forgot, it’s called priestly formation these days ! You couldn’t have invented a more unfit for purpose way of providing for the formation of future priests. It engenders a sense of being so special, of living in a rarified atmosphere where everything is provided, of working out ways of living different parts of your life in different places and with different people, and keeping the two, or three or more, worlds separate and vacuum sealed. No wonder most of the young priests who come out of these places live, behave and act in such a fucked up and odd way. I don’t blame them chiefly, although I think they know they can have it all and take it gleefully, but I blame those who are supposed to be their teachers and formatters who seem to still think that this system works, as if it ever did.

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A vow has lapsed. But Pope Francis tells us that can be forgiven.
You also took your beautiful jewels of my gold and my silver that I had given you, and made for yourself male images, and with them played the whore. Ezekiel 16:17.
Peace be with you my brothers and sisters.

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11And the king of Assyria carried Israel away unto Assyria, and put them in Halah, and on the Habor, the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes, 12because they obeyed not the voice of Jehovah their God, but transgressed his covenant, even all that Moses the servant of Jehovah commanded, and would not hear it, nor do it.
PAX

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6:03, when I watched Only Fools and Horses on Saturday, the escaped convict stole a uniform and his appearance deceived the Trotters. Are you going to suggest an invisible game of snooker?! Peace be with you!
Is mise le meas,
Séamus

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Peace be with you my brothers and sisters in Christ!
If a woman conceives and bears a male child, she shall be ceremonially unclean seven days; as at the time of her menstruation, she shall be unclean. 3On the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.
Is Mise le meas,
Seamus

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+Pat. For pity’s sake please curtail this repetitious, boring , irrelevant Shammy 8th eejit! There’s nothing more successful in turning us away from the blog than his incessant rambling quotes

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Arthur Roche detests you Pat and your blog. He has made your name toxic and those of your associates in Roma.
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Whenever you think the RC hierarchy have power over you then just imagine KOB in his cardinals cassock, a Prince of the Holy, Roman, Catholic and Apostolic Church, blowing another guy. They are immoral reprobates and not worthy of a hearing.

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They are anti-Christs, all of them. They even vow or promise to serve one another rather than Christ. Their betrayal and purpose is hidden in plain site ritually.
It’s a dark brotherhood worse than anything they’ve traditionally said about Freemasonry. At least the Freemasons are honest about themselves. Those others? 🤔

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5.56
Yes. It’s called sacramental theology. It’s why orders is a sacrament. Like matrimony – the spouses vow to love each other and in that way they love God and are loved by God.
But you wouldn’t be expected to know that.

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The comment at 1:06 is spot on in my opinion. The regimented, quasi-monastic structure of seminaries is the most unhelpful context in which a young person can discern and be formed. This can only happen where freedom is facilitated not inhibited. This deficiency is only compounded by the fuss-pots who usually end up as rectors in such places, treating it as some kind of boarding school for adolescents. I wonder how many decades more it will take for episcopal conferences to catch on and use their authority to make the necessary changes? 🤔

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Pat it’s a vintage day on the blog. We’ve got people moaning at Magna Carts, people pretending to be each other, the holy Gid has made an appearance and so has Elsie 👍

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In the post about the presentation of the new nuncio, did you mention Josh Hilton was there as his private secretary. Apparently he’s been given leave to stay in London till next year. I think Marcus Stock wants to keep him out of the way.

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I thought Hilton had become the secretary to the Nuncio ? He’s likely to be there for a good few years. The previous one was there for over a decade. Of course, Kieran Conry did a long stint there before becoming a bishop.

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I hear he was a last minute appointment on a limited placement. Of course he might get forgotten about.

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Imagine the scenario – cleric called in by Elsie for a bollocking – the charge, visiting or worse contributing to this blog.
Elsie: I’ll make this quick, I’m a busy fighting the drubbing of my reputation post ICCSA hearing and the pending legal action etc – but I’ve got time to bollock you. What’s this about you and Bishop Pats Blog?
The Accused: Never heard of Bishop Pats Blog? What ya on about?
Elsie; Er one of your fellow priests dobbrd on ya.
The Accused: Their talking shite. Can I go now?
Elsie: Er I guess so – but I hate Bishop Pat Buckley!!
The Accused; Who?
It never happened- you can’t police an anonymous blog – and no way would Elsie want it hacked (illegal anyway and in enough legal poo poo).
Thats why it’s a threat because Bishop Pat affords posters a blessed privilege – dignity, discretion and anonymity – this blog is a forum for dissidents, the disenfranchised, the marginalised, the misunderstood, the hurt and the wounded.
But no way are Elsie or Roche policing it – bitching about it, complaining about it and loathing it – for sure, but no way on Gods good earth are clergy being bollocked – what a load of bollox.

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5.07pm

So you think KOB was a Giver not a Receiver?
A priest (weird one I grant you) who was psychoanalysed) and into Freud convinced himself that when a Communicant knelt before him with their tongue out were actually simulating their wis/desire to fellate him.
I know, disgusting thought but made me a Communion in the hand kind of gal – although he probably put even this simple rubric through his twisted Freudian prism.
I had to say to him – you know sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

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A Franciscan priest I knew used to get young women to suck his finger in the Confessional while he masturbated.

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6.16pm

OMG!! That’s so awful the poor woman – my weird priest friend – one time Rector of a seminary would say in mitigation that the priest was bottle fed not nipple fed and was acting out his sense of loss – whereas I’d just say he’s an abuser and a criminal abusing his position of trust.

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As contributors to this blog will tell, Hilton doesn’t have the best reputation. Too many people know too much.

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6.52: I’m sure as your pseudonym suggests, you are brilliant at it: Aren’t you, DeepThroat!!!

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Close up, you can see age is catching up with him. No doubt he can still titillate the chicken hawks.

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Kieran Conry was Bruno Heims private secretary (him of cocktails, heraldry and sucking up to the Queen Mother).
Was this a case of one Old Queen sucking up to another Old Queen?
Heim and Conry a case of droit de seigneur for deffo.
Same for CMOC – Heim held a torch for them both
Promotion in the Catholic Church closely tied to homosexuality- Conry and CMOC knew how to flirt with Heim I reckon and Elsie had those butch red blooded prelates Worlock and Hume eating out of the palm of his hand. If you know how to play – you play.

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Why are Catholic clergy so catty, cantankerous and angry all the time – they should carry a health warning – seldom do you encounter a happy one – does repressed/suppressed homosexuality take its toll and put them out of sorts?

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Yes the big Ole Queen and father of the community – and boy can he be vicious. I remember Quinlan the VG had to have words with him in the early days …

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The best thing about having your phone calls listened into by soon to be in serious trouble individuals’ associates, is, it can be fun 😋
— Proverbs 1:32 —
— “For the waywardness of the naive will kill them,
And the complacency of fools will destroy them.”

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