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A comment maker yesterday submitted this hilarious comment after I was asked what kind of car I drove and answered a BMW.

How many of “the poor” in the world drive a Hyundai i10 or Toyota Aygo both of which cost nearly € 15,000 😁.

This reader is obviously concerned about appearances and not transparency and honesty.

As Christians we follow Jesus.

Jesus NEVER said it was wrong to be rich, have possessions and nice things.

He did say that it was easier for a camel to pass through The Eye of the Needle than for a rich man to get into Heaven.

Do people know what Jesus was referring to in this parable?

He was actually referring to one of the gates in the wall of Jerusalem, a pedestrian gate, which it would be nearly impossible for a camel to fit through.

The Eye of a Needle gate in Jerusalem

What Jesus preached was that it was immoral and sinful for the rich – or any of us for that matter – not to share our wealth, our possessions and our good fortunes with the needy and lesser well of.

In fact, the richer you are the greater opportunity you have to give and to share.

ME AND CARS

I have had a fascination with cars since I was two or three years old.

My maternal grandfather was the chauffeur in Tullamore Co. Offaly for the famous D. E. Williams family who owned the distillery that made Tullamore Dew and Irish Mist.

My grandfather drove Rolls Royce’s and Bentleys for the family and on his day they allowed him to bring me and other family members for drives and picnics in the cars. I was smitten with these cars.

The other car influence was that in childhood we lived right next door to garage mechanic who allowed me to explore all the cars he worked on.

I’ve always loved cars and going to car shows.

I’ve never had a new car as I could not afford it.

I buy second-hand cars that are three or four years old and pay for them over 48 months.

After three or four years you will get a good quality car in N. Ireland for 40 % if its new price.

Also, road tax and insurance in N. Ireland is a fraction of the cost in the Republic.

My current car is a 2015, which I got in 2018 is a BMW 7 series which I will finish paying for in March 2022.

My previous car was a 1989 Mercedes S class which I bought in the UK for £ 7,000 and after two years sold to Nairobi in Africa.

Over the years I have driven Opel, Renault, Vauxhall, Volvo, Volkswagen, Mercedes and BMW.

As somewhat of a car “canousser” I believe that the Germans make the best cars.

I have been driving for 51 years now and I NEVER had a breakdown in a German car – even during the years, I was doing 40,000 miles a year celebrating weddings in the four corners of Ireland and beyond.

TALKING ABOUT APPEARANCES:

I once knew a priest who drive a banger of a car but who had a sizeable yacht in the Adriatic.

I knew another priest who was always making poor mouths but who owned two racehorses.

One of my PPs who used to go around on a bike used to gamble £ 2,000 every Saturday by telephone.

Its like the old saying: “If you have the name for being an early riser, you can sleep all day”.

Whatever you do or like in life do it openly.

Enjoy the good things in life and share them with others.

135 replies on “PRIEST’S AND BISHOP’S CARS.”

Have you noticed that whenever seminarians and underwear come up on the blog it’s always designer names, not exactly Primark.
Your way of buying cars is actually the most economical.
Isn’t there a saying that it’s much more expensive to be poor? Meaning if you can never afford a large outlay you pay much more in the long run.

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The gay seminarians need quality heavy duty pants as they are up and down like a pair of whores’ knickers….

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12:20, “Your way of buying cars is actually the most economical.”
Cost of a new or new-ish car plus yearly maintenance divided by years owned = X
Cost of an old car plus yearly maintenance divided by years owned = Y
If Y is less than X, an older car can be more economical, allowing for resale value.

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Those pants all end up the end whatever their sartorial pedigree.
No glory in being smeared in one’s own.
Yes, I am literally talking shite.

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I’m sure the seminarians who are bottoms are always ready for action and keep their, er, bottoms immaculate.

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I don’t have much faith in Pope Francis but he has got it right on cars. Most clergy live in large houses and an executive car on the driveway just highlights the chasm between them and the majority of their parishioners.
The average salary in the UK is £29,000 before tax, the average house price is £260,000. With the cost of raising children, few families would struggle to afford and run a luxury German car, even secondhand.
You only have to watch a few of Catholic Jimmy McGovern’s films to see the real financial hardship that many have to endure, and the desperation that creates. It is hard to believe that priests stepping out of a luxury car with leather seats will convince anyone that they are ‘shepherds with the smell of sheep’.
My favourite film is Alex Guinness’s Monsignor Quixote – who drives around in his beloved Seat 800 which he affectionately called Rocinante. Even the Vatican bishop, who Quixote rescues at the roadside after he forgot to refuel his Mercedes, envied the simple life of the good parish priest.

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I drive a luxury car, too, Pat: a 2012 Suzuki Alto 1.0. It’s a real head turner, I can tell you.😃
As for wealth, hmm? I think Jesus was alluding to attachment to wealth: its idolisation. So even if a person is philanthropic with his dough, he might still be attached to it. You see? Just like those hypocrites in the Jerusalem Temple, who gave from their spare change.
The wealthy can kid themselves about piety with their plenty.

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I remember Canon Dan Cronin of Corby, Northants. He would always drive around in a small Ford Fiesta, and his presbytery was sparse. He invited me once into his ‘secret room’ which he seldom retreated to, but which was crammed with fine antiques, silverware and art. Mind you the Northampton chapter had some strange ones – Canon Denis Sweeney was also a hoarder of fine antiques, telephones, and tat and as bent a nine bob note.

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At least get the surname correct of the priest you refer to who had tat. You obviously didn’t know him that well. You are just an old gossip from the era of Dan Cronin. An old has been with a grudge. We know who you are. Disgruntled.

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Bishop Pat has featured McSweeney on this blog before – A member of the Society of Perpetual,Recreation.

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I would gave thought that a humble, lowly Bishop would be traipsing around on a donkey and cart!! The Servants of Jesus should all do so…honestly…

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Pat, don’t let Canice’s down. The apostrophe comes after the words bishops and priests. Bishops’ cars and priests’ cars. And the word is connoisseur. I like your point about being open about what you like, enjoying good things and sharing them.

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8:55, is the Bishop of the Hexham and Newcastle diocese from a recent enough blog story being open about the good things he likes in the form of the house he bought? 🏠

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Pope Francis, of course, had a small, old Renault which he gave to a priest who was without a car. He used the tram in Buenos Aires. He does not use the limousines favoured by previous popes and cardinals. The point is that a car is a symbol of status. Francis aligns himself with those who are uninterested in or have no or a low societal status. This point about status is central to his life. We should try to follow his example.

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And yet Francis has spent millions on moving to the Martha hostel instead of using the papal apartments.

And his papal visits costs tens of millions.

Appearances Dear Boy, appearances!

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If I might correct you – he did not spend millions moving to a hostel. There was an unavoidable, one-off expense and he has o have security cover wherever he is. You do not think he should visit Catholics around the globe? They should visit him? His visits cost money, not millions but a lot of money, obviously.

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It’s not a hostel. It’s a finely appointed five star apartment blocked stuffed with fine art and antiques. The Vatican bought the street facing his rooms.

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The failed Irish papal visit cost the Irish Government €22 million, even before the Church costs were added.
The “look at me, I’m more humble than JPII, Benny, Paul VI and JXXIII” stunt in moving to the casa cost €2 million. He has a whole floor and junior clergy were moved out and housed in Vatican apartments in Rome. Meanwhile the old papal apartment still exists.
He’s a fraud.

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Great to see Francis’ prophetic actions ruffling the anti-Catholic feathers here today. He must be foing something right. God bless him.
Also shows the degree of resistance to change of some keyboard Christians.

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12.57
So the Romanists have been spinning this all along? They wouldn’t lie and deceive, would they?😉

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Oh, dear! A potential spiritual triple whammy here.

Does he have a luxury car and a Palace as well as a luxury body?

These guys are persuasive ambassadors for Christ.

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It’s not very humble if you let everyone know you’re humble. The Alitalia jets Frank charters would pay for a fair few old Renaults.

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12.51
Judas made a similar point about the woman who spent money on ointment for Jesus’ feet.

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Great value out there in those old mercs and beamers Pat and they go forever. Just bought a e320d CLS 06 119k on click for 2.5 k. Affordable luxury, like you and unlike your poster yesterday I cannot afford a new car.

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1400 for the year works out at around 100 a month way cheaper than any car lease plan plus you are driving a quality German automobile.

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Christians who live by rules alone are like a psychopathic personality’s trying to feign empathy: it looks funny and fake.

Find first the heart (the ‘pearl of great price’), and everything else spiritually will then fall into place. (You may even find room there for a luxury set of wheels.)

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There is often more a broad road than a fine line between reality and perception. So while a priest might enjoy driving around in a luxury old car that cost a fraction of its original price, disgruntled parishioners might think he has too much appetite in ge for the finer things in life, things that a self-respecting Nazarene groupie shouldn’t hanker after. You know, the sort that isn’t interested in storing up abstract stuff in Heaven, but concrete, pricey baubles on Earth. And then they might not take seriously a single word he says, especially about helping the poor.

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Bishops and Clergy should have simply cars.
A Mercedes must have the Bishops and clergy felling like Father Dowling tales.
Most cars are on hire purchase of leased And it is down to what the priest can afford.
Some car dealers are good to dioceses.
I would not want a bishop priest coming to me in a BMW, Mercedes or top of the range car as it is morally wrong.
It is the people in the pews that pay for the cars and yet they will be on bikes, buses and cars.
Bishop Pat I hope your next car will be electric you know COP26.
Buying a flash car is just as bad as going to the saunas certainly not close to the sheep.
Carbon footprint.

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As a matter of fact, they are. The Ass Avenger, four-litre cruiser, with a highly upholstered interior. Eco-friendly, too, even though it runs on solid, carbonated fuel.

Jesus travelled into Jerusalem on one.

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No, God only likes trains.
1 Kings 10:2
And she came to Jerusalem with a very great train, with camels that bare spices, and very much gold, and precious stones: and when she was come to Solomon, she communed with him of all that was in her heart.
Psalm 45:14
In embroidered garments she is presented to the king. Her virgin companions who follow her train will be presented to you
Isaiah 6:1
In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple

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Can we play a game today for some light relief and play Identity The Bishop and his car?
And do they have a chauffeur, assistant to drive them around.
I read that Cardinal Trujillo used to front up in his limo slowly emerging from the car by revealing only his leg etc and insisted on a red carpet!!

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10.45am

Yes cars are mentioned in the Bible.

In the book of Exodus it says ‘And Moses came down the mountain roaring in his Truimph!!

And one from Acts of the Aposles

And after Jesus had risen from the dead the disciples met in one Accord.

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FATHER MICHAEL CLEARY

The infamous Fr Michael Cleary had two cars.

An old banger for church events.

And a top of the range Jaguar for personal use.

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I heard similar about Christina Gallagher. She allegedly travelled to the House of Prayer, in Achill, in an expensive car, but then, some way short of her destination, switched to a more humble set of wheels. Looked more Jesus-y all round, you see.

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Lol considering Gallagher claimed she could bilocate you would think she wouldn’t need a car at all.

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A lot of Christians with expensive tastes are going to hear these ominous words on Judgement Day: ‘You have had your reward. Now do one.’ 😈

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Why is it that some people think that to get into Heaven you have to suffer, be in pain, be miserable, live on the poverty line etc?

Jesus drank wine etc.

The Pharisees criticised him.

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Yes, Jesus imbibed, but he didn’t get pissed and loose self-control. What would his pop have said?

I think it’s a question of balance. The self-flagellators, like the Albanian crone Mother Theresa, tipped the scales in favour of getting off on personal suffering, especially other people’s ; whereas the self-indulgers love the poor, but not enough to risk joining them.

I’d kick both categories into the very long grass.

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11.20: Jesus said we must take up our cross and follow him. Being faithful to Christ will involve pain of some kind: a rejection of selfishness, the urge to condemn and crucify others: a rejection of violent language that incites hatred: a rejection of vengeance: a rejection of putting people down by nasty and vulgar verbiage. So Pat, we have a long way to go on this blog……Jesus doesn’t want us to literally crucify ourselves but neither does he want any of us IN HIS NAME to demean, smash or vilify one another in wars of nasty behaviour.

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12.06

You sound an absolute hoot. A-wisecrack- a-minute kind of guy.

Who was it that said ‘from sourfaced saints deliver us, Lord’? Teresa of Avila. A great girl altogether… according to Matt Talbot, who actually never met her. But still…

I have grave doubt of the authenticity of those words: ‘Pick up your cross and follow me.’ They make no sense whatever. As Jesus had his head screwed on, wouldn’t he rather have said ‘follow me, and you will have to pick up a cross’? Something like that. Which the disciples at the time wouldn’t have understood anyhow, since no a one of ’em ever even imagined that Jesus would be murdered, let alone nailed to wood. 🙄

If only those Gospel writers had resisted the temptation to give themselves cameo roles in Jesus’ big-scene moments, they wouldn’t have stolen his limelight… and our credulity.

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1.03
Have you actually read the gospels?
The saying about taking up one’s cross is in the same section of Mark’s narrstive as the first prediction of the passion?

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9.39
You’ve missed the point. It is immaterial whether the passage is in Mark’s gospel or a Mills and Boon romance: it is the wording that is significant. And it does suggest editorial licence (in this case by Mark himself) POST Jesus’ death.
Remember when Mark was written, Christians in Rome were on the cusp of enduring the first state-sponsored persecution of them, under Nero. There was serious suffering ahead of them, and Mark may have been trying to prepare them for this.

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Beep Beep the prieshts car aproacheth. I ve changed my mind a bit about this one over the years. If Fr wants a posh car.ok. But as the trousers said to the chair how does said car fit in with personality and general lifestyle choices. Driving an Aygo is neither a sign of poverty or wealth It is a car. Keep between the lines now!

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12.44: Obviously you have been shown up by my comnents as a soldier of NASTYISM…I do try to practise what I preach…but the gospel has to be the grounding of our lifestyle and that certainly is a tough call…I’m not deluded into believing it’s easy. Far from it.

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2.23

If you are a romanist priest (and you sound just like one), the Gospel couldn’t be the grounding of YOUR lifestyle: it’s Canon Law. And boy does it show.

You parasites wrote the book on ‘Nastyism’. The priest-raped kids will confirm it..

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6.45
Are you as zealous in acknowledging the other 96% of clergy and religious who are apalled by the sexual abuse of children?

Or the vast amount of sexual abuse carried out by non cleric and religious and that is still going on?

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8.32
What? Were they appalled enough to report to the police colleagues they KNEW were abusing kids? Or were they, as expected from their ordination promises or vows, compliant enough to follow Canon Law, which required secrecy in these matters?
We both know the answer.
Save your self-bleating for the gullible. You guys are company men and cowards.

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Ah yes but don’t forget when you have a vow of poverty you can have whatever luxuries you like and kid yourself they are the community’s property and totally not yours.

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All that having a vow of poverty means for most religious is that they don’t have to worry where anything comes from. It just arrives. Ask most religious what it costs for them to live in the style to which they are accustomed, and most of them will not have a clue, or will vastly underestimate what they are in receipt of. It’s economic and financial ignorance that is part of a self-deceiving culture of so called poverty. I have see religious communities buying expensive cars, having roast meals every day that ordinary people would only have on a Sunday, cooked breakfasts, beer, wine and whiskey in the evening as they lounge before the TV. Holidays are rarely a problem, because they are able to swan off to stay in their own religious houses in all sorts of lovely places, or they descend on family and friends and are taken care of – Christmas, Easter and during the summer. And then there are the nice courses in places like Rome or Paris or Jerusalem, or over in the USA, where they go for extended sabbaticals or conferences. So, it is clear poverty does not mean poverty for the majority of religious, and really simplicity of lifestyle is something that you don’t see too much of.

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Maybe Father Darcy is sponsored by a car company to be seen in their cars.
Scottish Bishops and clergy are WELL treated by a certain car company who also advertises in all Church publications.

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Is that the full film? Am going to watch it tonight with a long glass of… lemonade. 😀
Love the stuff, almost as much as I do dear Alec Guinness. 😍

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Didn’t disprove anything, old bean. Darling Stephen Fry just pointed to a supposed lack of evidence.

Lack of… does not necessarily mean ‘none at all’.

Sometimes people look in the wrong places, or wrongly conceive, from 21st century perspectives, the wrong things and so discount the right things they think wrong things. You won’t get me wrong, will you?

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Hi Pat. I understand the attraction of an older luxury car. But don’t you get hammered by insurance and maintenance costs?

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Here in the North our insurance, road tax is cheap. I also pay a monthly maintenance plan to avoid big bills.

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Perhaps somebody can recognise the old wrecks that are part of these lyrics:

Holy God, we praise Thy Name;
Lord of all, we bow before Thee!
All on earth Thy sceptre claim,
All in Heaven above adore Thee;
Infinite Thy vast domain,
Everlasting is Thy reign.

Hark! the loud celestial hymn
Angel choirs above are raising,
Cherubim and seraphim,
In unceasing chorus praising;
Fill the heavens with sweet accord:
Holy, holy, holy, Lord.

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jfs41… No, I can’t recognise the old wrecks in the hymn. Perhaps this helps?
B M W praise Thy Name;
Luxury driving we bow before thee!
Splendorous comfort is thy road game,
All thy passengers love and adore thee;
With leather of the finest grain,
Lordly travelling is no shame.

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Property and cars get Catholic clergy salivating – especially bishops – how do I know – i seen it with my own eyes – they get righty turned on by their plumb parishes – think Stock and Osman Dorchester on Thames – think Wilcox Henley on Thames – think CMOC Chiswick – think Byrne Hexham – think Sodano and Bertone (9000 sq ft Penthouses) – and think all funded by peasants all over the world keeping them in the manner to which they are accustomed- less poverty in spirit more more show me the money – granted at least thank God they don’t own them at least I think they don’t they just luxuriate in then.
So much for blessed are the poor!!

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Niall Ahern, the unlamented Middle Dean of Maynooth, had a gorgeous apartment in New House and later in Pat’s. The Irish Times interviewed him in New House one time and described him sitting in “a well-appointed apartment”.

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Where in New House or Pats was Ahern? I was in one apartment in New House, nice and cosy it was
It wasn’t Enda Mcdonaghs one. He moved to Pats too in recent years before he died.

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Hey.. I’m not he. I was lay student in Pats/NUI for various years.
I’m a fan of your posts BTW, I like straight to the point type people

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The English, Welsh and Scottish bishops have threatened clergy with penalties regarding their contact with your blog. Biggest culprits are Egan, Davies, Nichols, Stack and Toal. Others remain secretive. The biggest culprit who hates you is Roche and controls all the English, Welsh and Scots bishops from Rome.

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6.19
You made me laugh.
Do you honestly think this blog crosses Bishops minds well I can reassure the only time it crosses Bishops minds is when they get communications from the blog owner or a few of the blog readers who like to act and tell them as it is and what they do not like to hear. (poor Fintan Monahan springs to mind and he was shocked “you do not email a Bishop like that”
and not forgetting poor Elsie hates contact from this blog.
Not be like you and a keyboard wizard at that.
No one thinks about Arthur Roche he is the forgotten man soon with no job apart from pushing papers around the Vatican like a Clerical Officer.

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Nice choice of car. I have found in life that when I buy an old cheap car I have paid out much on repairs but buying a 3 or 4 Yr old car normally represents the same outlay but without the hassle of repairs.

Out of genuine curiosity, how is the 7 series for mpg?

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“Magna Carta” troll at 1:03pm:

If we are to accept your “rationale” concerning the Holy Scriptures (which of course no one who truly has faith can do), not one word or phrase is trustworthy – except, perhaps, those parts you personally favour and agree with.

You’re wiser of course than God the Holy Spirit aren’t you, O “wise” one? 🙄

All faithful Christians believe the Sacred Scriptures to be God-breathed. Whatever the sacred authors wrote is exactly what God inspired them to write as a help to our salvation.

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6.23

Please tell me you are kidding? Have you read the genocidal, incestuous crap in the Old Testament? You don’t seriously believe, for just one example, that in the Book of Numbers God ordered the destruction of all males and for the girls of this tribe to be taken captive for abuse, do you?

Jesus! You probably do.

You, sir or madam, are ducking dangerous, like the vast majority of mammon-serving romanist priests.😲

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6.55
What was that? 😕
Ezekiel 23:20? 😞
Let’s see.
Ezekie… Ah😀! Found it.☺
Oh, my goodness!😦 ‘Members like those of asses’? 😲 This is too, too much.😵
On the other hand (sniff😤), there is, you know, no harm in stating the truth, is there?😉

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5.44: OMG….is thus the level of your imagination and ability to write? Pathetic. Pathetic. Juvenile and not even remotely funny. Honestly, the craziness and delusion of some!!! Go back to primary education.

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Pat, £7000 on a second hand car is not within the reach of so many people! I’ve never spent more than £1000 on purchasing a car and I don’t replace them until they are no longer of use to me, and need to be scrapped.

I understand your argument to justify your love of cars, I really do. But, the reality is that you’re yet another clergyman driving a luxury car. The age is irrelevant. It will raise eyebrows among the faithful.

I believe a clergyman should be very careful when choosing a vehicle, just as he would in choosing his clothing and the way he carries himself in public. Remember John says “HE must increase, I must decrease”. Your blog highlights so many clergy who have not taken heed of this and are facing all kinds of punishments in this realm and the next because they have sought to put their own lives above God in one way or another.
I think a good humble priest should think carefully about choosing a cat which is plain, sober, not at all costly, not fast, but simply practical. They should buy the car second hand (at least 5 years old) and should not replace it until it is no longer practical to run. The rest of his life should be spiritually in line with they way he is seen by the laity, of course. Priests should not wear designer clothes. They shouldn’t have Netflix. They certainly shouldn’t have sky subscriptions.

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6:36 pm — Oo-er!
They shouldn’t have NetFlix? Should buy a car at least 5 years old? Etc. Etc.
With the greatest of respect, 6:36 pm— Could I please ask you read back over your post?
It does kind of have a Puratinist ring ring to it…
Priests are just ordinary men and women who have the right to chill, even with a glass of lemonade or vino, in front of the box — just like anybody else does.
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Did somebody me toon Primark on here, only today?
Primark is boss!
. https://youtu.be/8fZ6aF39dtQ

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6:36pm. I agree with you when it comes to CELIBATE priests. We should follow the orthodox tradition and have married priests who are secular and celibate priests and bishops who are monks.
Celibate priests should live austere lives. Married priests can live more ‘worldly’ lives. Married priests can only exist if they are married prior to ordination, perhaps having children to prove that they are worthy to care for a household.

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That may be what we should have but it’s difficult to see how we would get there from celibate secular priests and monks, neither of whom aren’t celibate really and very few of whom show any inclination to get married.
Even the rare straight priest who featured here want to have his battered sausage and eat it!

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6.36pm
Why should a priest not have a Netflix subscription? It’s cheaper than going to the cinema, or is that not allowed either? As for buying cars over 5 years old, that is a false economy. When I bought my 2nd hand car it was just under a year old and therefore had warranty left. The garage discovered a problem that was common to that model and the repairs were done under warranty with no cost to me. If I had a 5 year old car, those repairs would have cost me thousands.
As for sky subscriptions, I remember a debate about “poor” people having sky. It was pointed out to the nay sayers that it was a more affordable way of keeping a family entertained. (BTW I don’t have Sky but I do have Netflix)

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9.05 are you taking the piss? If not you should be. As for going to pubs, you can have some real opportunities for meeting people where they are. I’ve had deep spiritual conversations with many people which wouldn’t have happened if I had just spent my time praying in church.

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@6:36 priests shouldn’t go to the cinema or pubs. They should pray in their spare time

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Mine was still in last 12 months of manufacturers warranty when I bought mine (it was around 2 yes old), I bought it direct from V.W. dealership and the lads and girls there are trustworthy and never had any issues.
They repaired and re-refilled my Air-con for free, even though my manufacturer’s warranty ended 4 months prior.
There are pros and cons in all choices of buying cars I suppose.
I’m not a mechanical engineer… but I know my way around a car engine, including the electronics.
Modern cars are mostly very reliable these days, I personally choose to buy used cars, around a few years old, and from a dealership. Just feel a bit safer buying from a dealership, too.

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You shouldn’t have bothered Miaoow: the mostly “dull” (in every respect) RC zealots won’t get that one, …..nor most other points which demand mental agility either!

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They should take a leaf out the Bishop of Paisley Scotland’s book.
lives in a rough Council Housing scheme in the parish presbytery with the parish priest.
drives an 6 year old car and been offer new ones but no he is happy.
He was asked what would happen if going to Confirmations or a meeting and it broke down his reply he would get the bus or a taxi.
A man of the people

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I thought he was tipped for Glasgow. He’ll then have a Lexus like the +Aul Doll probably.

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I think as a general rule, if you get to choose what would be more in accordance with poverty, you’re not living poverty in any meaningful way. To me real genuine poverty means an absence of choice and those people tend to take what luxuries they can get.
I’m the absence of real poverty things should be bought to do the job, and economically. Years ago you could buy an old banger and run it economically if you had the skills to fix it, but modern cars which are wearing out are very expensive to get fixed.
I don’t think appearance should be the deciding factor but what values things meet. Also what is being done to correct inequality. The reality in today’s world is a huge proportion of resources is in the hands of a few and that is the whole problem.
The perception that Pat refers to that we have to suffer is a real problem. I have always thought for Catholics it either comes from jansenism or misplaced piety. For Protestants I suspect it comes from English Puritans but don’t really know this.
Also I don’t think the pope should be traveling the world. I think he should avoid any possible cult of celebrity as much as possible.

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Priests should never drive sports cars or coupe style cars, it just looks wrong! I like my priests in sturdy clapped out cars, oozing us ladies to look after them. The needier the better 😊 Oh and hungry, definitely hungry

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Arthur Roche back in Westminster this week. He doesn’t need a car. He takes a black cab, even from Gatwick.

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7.09
Maybe back to see how they are getting on with his decoration.
You never know he maybe next Archbishop of Westminster sadly never a cardinal gone is his dreams.

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Re Roche and black taci/foreign travel, there is a huge disconnect between him or any Bishop or cardinal and the ordinary lay folks. It’s like them living in the ivory tower as they don’t have a clue of how catholic laity live their lives in poverty or just above the breadline?

Gatwick is bit far to Westminster… Why don’t he take the tube as we normally do.?

Have no time for Roche or Nicholas cos they are living on a huge pretence.. Saw photo where Nicholas showed the new nuncio around as its a huge place. Money talks in that opulent place. 💵💰.

I don’t read news on bishops or frankie the gaslighter or Catholic news as I skip it through cos not worth it.

Frankie the gaslighter is living in a plush apartment called santa Marta as I remund you that it’s not a hostel. More like 4 star hotel.

Its been ages since I last visited Rome. It didn’t impress me much re Vatican buildings except sistine Chapel. There was a pope Joan mentioned in tour guide talks on history of popes.

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DG if Roach flew into Gatwick then it was a cheap flight. No tube from Gatwick. Just trains direct to Victoria. Although Roach has never been known to be frugal.
As for Vincent showing the nuncio around. It’s a historical building that is used by Auxiliary bishops and some departments and for diocesan business. His own accommodation is small. Although from the front Archbishop’s House looks big. Some floors belong to the cathedral clergy House and convent.

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7.09pm
Have a good look on cardinal Nicholas in today church militant dot com run by Voris the truth slayer. It’s not looking good on Nicholas as he’s getting more and more exposed since IICSA abuses hearing.
Roche next? 🤔

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Anon 9.40pm

Thanks as I should have mentioned trains, not tube my mistake cos I remembered travelling from Gatwick to London by train then by tube in the city.

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My dear old Dad always bought British, from Morris Marinas – anybody remember them? – to Rovers and Jaguars, depending on how well the business was doing. By the end of the eighties, even Jags were crap, so – despite his instinctive loyalty – he bought a BMW and never looked back. Is there a message for the Church, I wonder i.e. don’t buy damaged goods.

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