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CANADA’S TUAM BABIES – AT LEAST 215 BODIES FOUND.

Kamloops Indian Residential School

Police in British Columbia say yhey have found the bodies of 215 children buried in the Kamloops school run by the Catholic Church.

They also say there may be more bodies as there are still large parts of the school grounds to be searched.

Some of the buried children are as young as three years old.

The bodies were discovered using ground penetrating radar.

From the 1800s until the 1970s 150,000 First Nation children were forced to enter Christian run schools. When there, they were converted to Christianity.

The police suspect that at least 6,000 children died and were secretly buried.

In these schools children were beaten and tortured for speaking their native language and forced to speak English and French.

May of the chikdren adter being released from these schools went on to becone alcoholics abd drud addicts to cope with their pain and suffering.

There were at least 51 known deaths and burials at Kamloos school between 1915 and 1963.

The Canadian government is planning to repatriate the remains to places recommended by the First Nation themselves.

The Catholic Church ran Kanloops from 1890 to 1969 when it was handed over to the government.

PAT SAYS

First we had the 800 Tuam Babies and now we have the 215 Kamloops babies.

How many other babies were secretly buried by Catholic priests, nun and Brother internationally – around the globe.

Its probably in the tens or hundreds of thousands.

This situation compares to Hitler’s concentrations camps where 6 million died.

The only difference possibly is in the scale of the numbers who were tortured and died .

We have known all kinds of things about bishops, priests and religious.

Now we know that they were the murderers of babies and accessories to such murders.

Maybe those countries who outlaw Neo Nazis should also outlaw Neo Catholic hierarchs, clergy and religious?

Not Auschwitz. Kamloops Catholic School.

111 replies on “CANADA’S TUAM BABIES – AT LEAST 215 BODIES FOUND.”

I wonder how the cathbots will try to spin this one. Let’s see. They might make out it wasn’t Catholics that did this. They might make out nobody else is any different (although nobody else claims to be the divinely appointed repository of revelation). Or they might make out some local Protestants snuck in and hid the bodies there. Or they could simply erupt in fury, have a go at me and bring up Magna Carta somehow.

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10.31: A rather unintelligent comment. Your hope that “cathbots” might speak in defence of the Catholic Church in this stiry 8f horrendous abuse. Probably like the children placed in homes in Ireland, no one from any government agency paid any attention, visited for supervision, reported conditions: they neglected their miral and ethical responsibilities. Fact. As for the Catholic Church who took responsibility for this school, utter shame that any abuse was perpetrated. A thorough investigation is warranted. No one, irrespective of background or profession or faith denomination can attempt to justify this horror. We await fuller information.

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Bingo – this cathbot picked having a go at me. Let’s see whether we can get a Christian response.

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We certainly hope nobody in LIverpool who holds any special titles or registrations will getting away legal punishment by the law.. if this be the case, we will make it our personal responsibility to ensure adequate correct and adequate action is taken.
It is The Lord who speaks, Blessed be the name of the Lord!

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@seamusviii
Have you read your comment or did you just put random words together. How is calling someone unintelligent not having a go at him.
Fool.

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No it’s an insult either way. Incidentally denial such as you exhibit is another mark of the true cathbot. This because it is based on a lack of reverence for the person.

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@ 1:11,
“10.31: A rather unintelligent comment.”
Can you explain what it was about the truth that insulted you? Maybe if you can explain, possibly then everyone can understand.

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Except it’s not the truth.
1. My comment was perfectly intelligent.
2. I wouldn’t go for advice to an idiot so don’t see why my comment should be called stupid by some fool on the internet.
3. These things would be blatantly obvious to anyone with intelligence – and that obviously doesn’t include you.

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Greetings my brothers and sisters in Christ.
The truth will set you free even if it is revolting!
Is mise le me as!

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seamusviiisays @ 2:25PM.
The truth will not set me free — quite the opposite 🙄
My default position is ALWAYS to LIE ! Have never known any other way!
Not even good at it! However, having aquentences in “high places” — the kind who protect peadophiles from the long hand of the law — do come in extremely handy, dar’ling !
Any who may have been abused will simply be silenced, buffered and imorally made to look like crazy boys or girls…
That’s what boogeymen and naughty Judges say, when boys and girls complain!
“FRIENDS” IN HIGH PLACES ! ! THE GOOD, OLD, CHURCH of ENGLAND ! ! 🤢

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Where were the social workers? Why weren’t they inspecting and supervising?
Did they have the same hands off approach as taken with Kincora, or in Rotherham or by Sharon Shoesmith, the Ulster-born social work manager who presided over the Baby P scandal and got compo when she was sacked.

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11.55: As in Guam and elsewhere, where were the social workers or supervisors? Infrequent visits. Of course this group of indigenous people were merely second class citizens and therefore it didn’t seem to matter what happened to them, what education they received and that their own faith or relugious traditiinscwere. No 8ne basically cared for the welfare of these children. A whole level of civil and governmental collusion, along with the Catholic church failed morally to care for those in their institutions. Who, if anyone, ever supervised the methods of teaching or the level of punishment? No one: utter moral shame. The poor, the vulnerable, those deemed different were hidden away and no one truly cared. Despicable.

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Surely a children’s home run by the one holy catholic and apostolic church, the means of Grace appointed by almighty Gid, should be able to respect the lives and dignity of its charges without social worker oversight.

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Thank you Magna. It is the gaping hole in their position and how they hate to have it pointed out!

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Lol yet another outrageous crime against humanity by RC workers is revealed so it’s bash the social worker day.

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@ 9:42,
The blog story of today is rightly highlighting evil wrongdoing. Comments about society and state are bringing fairness to the conversation. An argument is about who is right. A conversation is about what is right. If fair comment is beyond your ability, that is a reflection of your own humble limitation.
PAX

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No ‘seamus’ they are deflecting, not bringing justice. As so often the playbook of cathbots like you is to distract. There is no peace without justice, but then you only want the sort of peace where victims are silenced.

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There was no profession of Social Work in Canada in the 1890s.
As a profession, Social Work was underdeveloped in Canada as elsewhere, until after WW2. In Ireland, Social Work greatly progressed following the publication of the Kennedy Report in 1970.

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11.55
You are blaming the rape victim rather than the rapist.
Responsibility for this emerging hirroe lies, fundamentally and ultimately, with the Roman Catholic institutional Church.

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"Apparently, it's not what you know -- but who you know..." Oh, ok then... Fucking fantastic! x 🤣 🥳says:

Registered Social Workers, including qualified National Probation Services staff, aka the Civil Authorities, usually carry a significant amount of weight. Often charged with serious authority and know lots of people –It’s not what you know but who you know…
Well… you can say that again, baby doll x 🤣 🥳

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Is it even possible to get an appropriate response to this disgrace from the cathbots or will they just keep blaming others and distracting from the subject!

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Another Fake News based hate fest. The only evidence is commercial ground penetrating radar. NO RADAR CAN IDENTIFY GRAVES. Only disturbances in wave travel. Full forensic archaeoloigy is needed to establish whether or not we are dealing wirth fence posts. Always the same. GPR is not diagnostic of childrens’s graves..

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In 1960 (“white heat” time) everything was supposed to be thrown out (in south-east England) and it was. Why have we been kept waiting 61 years for a “catechesis directory”:
https://www.cbcew.org.uk/recognising-the-ministry-of-catechist/
Always assuming we’ll ever have enough background to critique as to whether parts of it are any good. Does it replace the weak CCC or try to bolster it up?
Meantime some of us had the foolishness to want to find out the things of God. Meantime some of us got told we had a talent for “negotiating”. That the “existential” doesn’t have to be existential after all; that the organisational sacraments don’t need any relation with organisational integrity. That it doesn’t matter that you are a manipulative manipulator (which we weren’t before we started), because the “negotiating” is in a “good” manipulative cause.
Before the rot was much set in and reinforced by JP II’s shallow fads, more than half my old parish “didn’t go up” for smarties, affording tactful cover to politicians. Was the old boy trying to turn us into nuns? I don’t do nun. And that’s just me.

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Baby P does matter, he matters so very much!
At this time, sadly, there is great and ample evidence which points to the following groups / organisations not professing to the basic levels of respect for human life: the Roman institution; some Social Services personnel and the CofE! !/ Civil Authorities! !, etc.
The evidence seems to suggest these, mentioned above, have the greatest of disregard for human life- children, vulnerable adults and victims and survivors.
ALL life is precious! And any who do not positively, fully, embrace this fact WILL have their names blotted out of the book of life..
It is The Lord who speaks,
Blessed be the name of The Lord!
I, The Lord, will not allow my little ones to be mocked, abused or silenced by ravenous wolves dressed as Anglican and Roman Bishops!
“Behold, I come as a thief in the dark of the night, +Bayes… Blessed is he that keepeth watch, and keepeth his garments clean and undefiled with the concealment, of acts, of filthy beasts; lest you walk naked, and they will see your shame, layed out, bare, like a lifeless beast, +Bayes…”

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Bp Pat I like your allusion to newfangled “Catholics” (who go back a long time) as against us middle of the road Old Catholics. Of course reforms were needed everywhere – different ones in different places – and that should have meant attention to the detail of reforms, instead of hype. Heenan’s autobiography attests – as tactfully as he thought he could get away with – how bamboozled he was by “Council”, and he was no stick-in-the mud. The Church could have been teaching prayer but wasn’t. You were telling us the other day about “the baby and the bathwater”.

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Reading the book on best Catholics in the world by Scally.
Saw that Fr Kevin Hegarty, was fired after publishing an article by a social worker on clerical sex abuse. That was around in 2002 or 2003. Bishop finnegan sent him to far flung remote place in Mayo, as means of punishment.
Is he still alive or around, I like to see him fully reinstated. He got sacked for criticising irish bishops in print.

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A dark time for society, church and state in Canada. People with evil in their hearts carry out evil. Evil people cannot expect mercy at the end of their lives. Do some so-called religious people, but in reality they are not religious people, delude themselves about mercy?

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Clergy and religious in such parts of the world, like Canada, Australia, New Zealand and other mission territories, were pretty much laws unto themselves. The Church left them tojust to carry on, and the secular authorities were just grateful that they provided much needed services such as health and education. The same scenario existed in Ireland following the establishment of the State when the secular authorities simply didn’t have the capacity to provide all those services which were required. And so, the Church stepped in. Part of the Faustian pact / deal was that the Church was left to its own devices, few questions were asked, and the presumption was that these Church clergy and religious were good intentioned and would do good. We know now that a lot of good was done, but once the curtain was pulled back we saw that this was cover for so much suffering, pain, and abuse that was inflicted on those who were some of the most vulnerable in society – babies, children, women, the sick, orphans etc. I guess wherever in the world the Church was given freedom to run its own affairs similar abuses will have taken place, indeed in some parts of the world are still taking place.

The lesson to be learned from all this is ? Effective oversight. Just leaving institutions like the Church to their own devices and to mark their own homework is a recipe for coverup and lack of accountability. I think there is still an argument for outside oversight and accountability in the work in which the Church is involved, given that the Church still has as its core client base some of the most vulnerable people in society, and has shown and continues to show that it is not capable of adequately protecting these most vulnerable groups with whom they work. We see this trend already in accountability investigations like IICSA, and in noises being made about outside oversight of such things as safeguarding. The Church doesn’t like it, because it will lose the control that it is used to exercising, and the ability to massage and coverup the truth to suit its own purposes. However, it is coming, and it should come. The Church only has itself to blame for this. It abused the trust and the privilege that it was given for its own ends and to protect its own people. I think the faithful know this instinctively, and therefore it is no surprise – as + Martin of Armagh has suddenly realised – that in the majority of people’s life the Catholic Church has slipped well down their list of priorities and major interest. Well, what do you expect when you abuse their children, lie and cover up, and run things in order to protect your own interests and your own reputation ? As the Americans say : Go figure !

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Thank you @ 9:00 for focusing on the main issues.
Those who attempt to deflect blame elsewhere seem to have little understanding of the issues, or any wish to understand. One has to wonder does this reflect their limited abilities or a conscious attempts at subterfuge. So, @ 9.47, I suspect we won’t get any sensible response from the catbots.
Magna rightly compliments @ 9.44’s key point: it’s indeed a reflection of the true worth of this alleged “One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church,” that it should need external controls to police its activities.
MMM

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MMM, that couldn’tcare less attitude produced Kincora and Baby P, neither of which can be blamed on the Church and they happened in recent years, not long ago. Meanwhile your idol, Sharon, can count her £600k.

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6:36: Are you the one who repeatedly tries to denigrate MMM by constantly referring to Shoesmith? If you are then don’t you think it’s time you wised up and tried to understand the several previous comments criticising attempts at deflection such as yours.
Stick to the blog issues, …..if you can comprehend them.
But if you are incapable of understanding and commenting on blog issues then I apologise for any distress you may feel at this, my failure to appreciate your limitations.
It would actually help us to avoid making adverse responses, if you could manage to grace us by adopting a pseudonym. How about “Sharon”?

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GER FITZGERALD

Pat has given endless support , extremely intelligent man, hes has offered me homes , contacted people /organisations on my behalf, spoke to my closest , nearest and dearest, Organisations, companies ,more than what i can say for the church despite my evidence when it comes to the doicese/ church, he has been a rock of support and vital in this process.
Best wishes
Yvonne Drake
As they said i was thrown to the wolves, he gave solid advice, gave me a voice and hes acute knowledge on how the church works
He really has been a godsend in this mess, he has my full support amd always will.
Yvonne drake.

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Thanks for sharing this with us Yvonne, and glad things are a lot better for you now. You were treated abhonenantly. Good for you in making a noise in defiance of abuse and corruption. Stay strong!
God bless,
Healing victim x

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This goes beyond religion and denomination it is a horrible rot. Using religion as a cover only makes it worse

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HOW-HI FLY

This has nathin to do with religion spirituality or God.
Everything to do with the dark side of the human psychic.
Warehousing societies unwanted is a recipe for disaster.
Ah Fly, to associate these atrocities with religion compounds its horror.
Jesus came to bring life to the full in the here and now and to come…
May The Force Be With Us…+
Bye Bye Fly Hi.

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Boris and Carrie Marriage. Westminster Cathedral involvement. Such a lot to unpick here. So, the rationale / justification for Boris getting married in a Catholic ceremony in Westminster Cathedral is that his previous marriages were null and void. Presumably because either they did not in themselves reach the test of sacramentality, or because Boris was technically a Catholic having been baptised one but never practiced, and therefore when he did get married previously such marriages were null and void / illicit / whatever ? So, doors flung wide open. Okay, I get the cold logic of canon law.
However, there is another side to this. Boris is a liar, Boris cannot be trusted, Boris has a very flimsy relationship with the truth. This has been evidenced multiple times during his life, both publicly and privately. Publicly, he has been sacked a number of times for lying, firstly from a newspaper job for making up stories, and then from the Shadow Cabinet by Michael Howard for lying about an affair he was having. He’s probably been let go a number of other times because of his rather loose relationship with the truth. Politically, he has lied through his teeth about Brexit (remember the Bus and the NHS ?); ask Arlene and the DUP and certain groups in NI, and they will tell you he has lied to them about the Irish Sea Border; he’s struggled to show any vestige of honesty in other dealings, in particular with the business of JohnLewisGate and his flat. The man lies as a matter of course. Privately, he’s already had two marriages, during both of which he was engaging in extra-marital affairs, the consequence of which is that there are at least two children scattered around London who are his and he supports but refuses to recognise, as well as a clutch of kids from his various (but apparently do not count) marriages. In relationships this man cannot be trusted. One does wonder why Carrie thinks that at the first bit of skirt that takes his liking he won’t be sniffing around the interesting parts ? I very much doubt if the newly married couple will survive in their relationship for many years. Boris will wander and lie and do his usual adultery.
So, please do tell me, in any prudent pastoral assessment of a person’s suitability to receive sacraments, why is Boris J judged to be worthy ? Do you honestly tell me that this man believes his marriage promises ? Or has any intention of upholding them ? Especially given his proven track record. What nitwit of a priest sat there and believed him ?
Especially since same priest and many other priests will have sat with people who are much more honest, decent and faithful that BJ, and refused them access to the sacraments – people with relationship / marriage difficulties, gay people, people who just want to do their best, but are held at bay. Whereas BoJo swans in and is embraced. It stinks !

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@10.28. Poor you, all upset by Boris. Didn’t he tell you the truth about brexit, havent we got our parliament making our laws. Don’t be such an naff. Long live Boris the Great

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10.28am I’m glad that you can get the cold logic of Canon Law. As a priest, it has been the only thing that I have been able to explain to those who asked. As a baptised Catholic, Boris has access to the sacraments. The fact that he has not practiced does not take that right away. If he has been reconciled with the Catholic Church, through the Sacrament of Reconciliation that would be a blessing. We don’t know the full facts.
I remember when we were being taught about Canon Law around marriage, the wise old priest teaching us spoke about the situation where there is great uncertainty about intentions in the marriage. If people around the couple were saying it shouldn’t happen because of A B or C or if it was thought that the person was incapable of making the vows. The old priest told us to make notes on the original marriage papers about our doubts, as it could help in an annulment process.
Just out of sheet nosiness, I am wondering if the have signed a prenup, As that would invalidate the marriage as it shows there is a lack of intention of it being for life.

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Canon law is a nonces charter and gives the canonical age for marriage at 14 for a woman.

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They would not have seen them as human. They death rate was appalling. I have worked with quite a few priests and they don’t seem to see the laity as human beings either.

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10.45: In what way to priests not see others as “human beings”? Or is this just a typical example of bias? Tell us how you came to that conclusion.

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There are around 95,000 abortions in Canada annually, including around 25,000 in Quebec, which was Catholic until Vatican II renewed it.

Will there be flags at half mast about that, as Justin Trudeau has ordered about this case?

No, thought not.

In Ireland the people who scream about Tuam babies scream also for abortion. Figure that out, if you can.

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6.45: These sham outraged people on this blog know the horror of abortion but ignore its gruesome figures.. A barbaric act on the life of the most precious and vulnerable. A sick, moral depravity in any so called decent, human or compassionate society. The PM of Canada is a hypocrite. An abortionist.

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Truedeau puts on a sad face about First Nation Canadians. He’s a slimey hypocrite. There are multiple photos of him blacked up.

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2.56: How apt a comment. The stories of children buried in graveyards is horrendous, whatever part of the world. The practice of doing so is an egregious crime and babies and young children deserve acknowledgement of their existence, a dignified re-burial and an apoligy must be given by both Church and state. I think we must also be cognizant of the truth that most nations did nor treat indindigenous people at all humanly, kindly, respectfully, justly or compassionately. Look at the way we treat the traveller community or the poor homeless, those without status. Canada cannot wash its hands of the bigotry and racism with which it treated indigenous people, nor America, nor South Africa. As for the death toll of abortions in all jurusdictions which allow the death/killing of the unborn almost up to full term, who will mourn their needless, cruel and unnecessary deaths – all innocent human beings. The hypocrisy of leaders crying their tears over past horrors but perpetrating through legislation the killing of the unborn is nauseating. Governments of the past in Ireland, Canada, America and elsewhere presided over the incarceration of thousands, happy to pass on the task to others….

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6.46: Excellent. A discerning comment. But you’ll be condemned for your opinion. Don’t worry about the haters. You and I know the horror of any child abuse and unequivocally condemn such crimes and more so any crime committed by church personnel. We cannot and must not forget the horrible numbers of unborn children who are disposed of without unmarked graves. A heinous crime.

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@8:44
I think you’ll find a crime is something which is against the law. You genuinely don’t have a clue do you. 🤣

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Monty’s on the road yet again! To a plum parish? Islington? Kensington? Both have vacancies. Or to a backwater parish in Herts/Outer London? Or perhaps a sabbatical?
His replacement in South Harrow and Northolt was announced yesterday.

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If it’s not a parody account his tweets lack discretion and are definitely the sort of thing Elsie would haul you in for.

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I didn’t realise that Monty was in Fr George Lyons’s last parish. Did the drink get poor old George in the end?
I also see that Fr Jeffrey Steele, one of the ex-Anglicans in Westminster, is c/o Archbishop’s House.

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Monty has been tweeting a lot about the Eurovision Song Contest and gin. It may be a parody Twitter account.
We need a lead story on the antics of Monty, Bp Pat.

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Fr Jeffrey Steele is requesting laicisation as he believes the RCC is too liberal. He’s joined an ultra orthodox Zionist jewish sect.

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Pat @6.43pm Don’t believe everything you hear unless you are confident of your source.

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The c/o are a scourge on the Church they should just walk after all it is the Faithful that is keeping them.
It is time some Cardinals, Archbishops and Bishops got some balls and took action rather than the c/o as some of these spongers will just keep staying on.
Give Archbishop Leo Cushley his role he cleared Edinburgh and massively clearing the debt so whoever goes to Westminster, Glasgow and Cardiff has some climb with the C/O.
Bishop Keenan has the first two in the History of Paisley one has gone and the other is ill but will be going soon.
it is the people money dioceses do NOT have money they administer the peoples money.
I thought Glasgow was bad with the c/o sad to read Westminster is worse next will be Liverpool.

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When I left I told the diocese to remove my name from the next edition of the diocesan directory. They have no right to keep your name in the directory if you cut all ties with them, as I did.

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9.57
No Some in there 40’s and 50’s but I suppose you may see them as old Queens I see them as spongers robbing the poor.

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Poor Fr Dermot. I will keep him in prayer. He gave a retreat to our junior clergy nd was excellent.

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Pat these cathbots are incredible, and to think they’re supposed to have educated consciences!
You would think a religious body of supposedly superior morals could produce followers who could respond better than by referring to virtually every other moral failing except the one under discussion!
They even bring up their favourite whipping boy of abortion. Again, you would expect that a religious body with morals would not be reduced to pointing at some other perceived evil. It suggests they’re going to carry on killing children until abortion is outlawed!
The moral giants here are people like Magna Carta, MMM, and anyone else who has had their eyes opened to the iniquity of the institution. I think children would be far safer with them than the moral cripples who keep shouting that they’re being persecuted and nobody else is any better.
I appreciate you may not want to publish this comment because it will definitely elicit a storm from the tragedy queens, but thank you for continuing to keep their noses to the grindstone. I agree with someone who commented that the revelations from the ‘missions’ have barely started.

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It is an awful pity that there cannot be any unity or understanding. Some people are more interested in bashing innocent Catholics than they are in a proper discussion. It’s a reflection of the world we live in and the way some people are today.
Thankfully there are Catholics, people of other faiths and people of no faith who capable of a proper discussion.

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8.52
‘Capable of proper discussion’? 🤔
On your skewed terms, of course. 😀

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Oh, we nearly forgot… A Very Big THANK YOU TO MERSEYSIDE POLICE — In Advance ! ! 🤔 🤭 🙄 😊 🎤 🤡 🎪 🎤 🤡 🌞

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Pat you never mention the bodies buried in Clonliffe. They came from a refuge for the deaf on Durmcondra Road.

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Interesting when u mentioned refuge for the Deaf. Could you expand on that? Also what year?
Heard deaf pupils who died from Spanish flu who were mummified to prevent it spreading with free state police approval.

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Strange that the current AP in Willesden Green is being moved. He only arrived last November. Could be a promotion to PP somewhere.

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Instead of being embarrassed that the Irish Church had to help 7000 Victims they sent it World Wide to say look at us we have been Good Bishops.
They have NO shame as anyone else word be embarrassed but the clowns were not stupid and they are lead by Amy the Clown however they sent Bishop Michael who is only an Auxiliary awaiting Down and Connor
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2021-05/irish-bishop-recalls-25-years-of-support-service-for-victims-of.html

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The official reply from the Bishop of Kamloops

Click to access Bishop%20Joseph%20Nguyen%20Letter_May%2028,%202021.pdf

The usual pro forma response and no doubt the diocesan legal team- on speed dial, naturally- are now fending off all and every inquiry concerning this latter day Massacre of the Innocents. The objective is to buy time and try and bury the matter- forgive the gross and inappropriate pun.

Ngyuen wants the matter to up and disappear. It won’t be that simple. Like Pell he will no doubt engage in some serious legal hardball with the victims families and first nations representatives

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Thank you NatLog for making that available.
My comment on it: pious claptrap with no concrete proposal for redress.
Then again, that’s typical..

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Here’s a beautiful piece from Bach’s sacred repertoire: “Wachet auf, ruft uns die Stimme” — “Awake, the voice is calling us…”
Better known as: “Sleepers’ Awake. . .”
We have chosen this beautiful piece, just for you, Denise. Hope you enjoy!
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PS: Your silence around the Commission table was so deadening. It easily could have stopped there — but it didn’t!
. https://youtu.be/DqZE54i-muE

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