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WHEN PEOPLE PUT RELIGION BEFORE LOVE.

Sometime ago I had what we call in N. Ireland a “mixed marriage”.

It was not the marriage of a black person to a white person.

It was much worse in N. Ireland terms.

It was the marriage of a Roman Catholic woman to a divorced Protestant man who happened to be in the police.

The woman’s family – devout Catholics and and the staunch Republicans did everything in their power to stop the wedding.

They got the PP around to put pressure on the girl.

The woman’s parents threatened not to attend the wedding and banned all other family members from attending.

They threatened to cut the woman out of their wills.

They refused to give the woman the gift of money they had given to all their other children who had married.

They threatened to disrupt the wedding ceremony.

They said they would disown the woman and any children she might have.

They told her she would be banned from their funerals.

The fact that the groom had been abandoned by his wife and was faultless in the marriage break up was irrelevant to them.

He was a Protestant and a police man and that was worse than him being a mass murder.

They insisted that their Roman Catholic faith would not allow them to attend the wedding.

Their PP told them not to support an invalid marriage and a couple living in sin.

They could not ask themselves “What would Jesus do”?

They could not put their love for their daughter before the rules of a corrupt man-made religion.

They were brainwashed – and happy to be brainwashed.

This kind of thing shows you the fruits of organised religion and the prejudice and nastiness it brings.

Jesus reduced all God’s commandments to two – love your God and love your neighbour.

Why dont his followers do as he commands.

122 replies on “WHEN PEOPLE PUT RELIGION BEFORE LOVE.”

Sure when ya think ya own God and have the only valid training manual ya can do what ya like. It’s all about the shirt. Red Blue Green Orange whatever and God betther do what he’s told hi

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Fr Jeffrey Steel was mentioned as one of Vinnie’s 21 who are c/o Archbishop’s House. Jeffrey’s gone on to the next stage in his journey, which has taken him from Presbyterianism, the CofE (where he was a vicar), to reception into the Catholic Church and ordination to the priesthood, to independent ministry in Florida.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffrey-steel-phd-1b1440185

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So what?

Is it wrong that he move on if he believes it right to do so? Or would you prefer him to stay in a life he doesn’t feel suited to, do something dysfunctional and cause a scandal?

I applaud him.

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Listen, blasphemous name (HG), how much did the laity in several churches have to pay for the years of study undertaken by this wandering sponger?

Like you, he should never have been accepted for priesthood.

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@9.39
Judging by the LinkedIn information it appears the Laity paid for about 2 years of formation. They received 8 years ministry in return. Average return is 4 years. The return on investment on this Jeffery Steel chap equates to 28 years ministry had he arrived needing full training. On a pro rata basis this is not a bad return, and is particularly good in terms of people ordained in this millennium.

Why should I have not been ordained?

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I see he has been a Presbyterian minister, an Anglican priest and a Catholic priest.

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@9:00 His fiery sermons against the reception of communion by divorcees, lgbts, and those with different theological views to his own turned so many people away from the faith.
Should it be such a surprise to find he’s such a hypocrite?

We all remember his sermon where he mentioned his sex life being great, that he didn’t use contraception and he had living proof with his extremely large family. People walked out in disgust!!!

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A married catholic priest now divorced and remarried it’s his life but it says a lot about the structures he’s been a part of

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@10.41 Are you sure? I thought he had gone to the reformed Anglican Church, a homophobic, women-hating, hardline, breakaway Anglican group.

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@8.05
That doesn’t sound like a healthy ministry. I hadn’t heard of such allegations before.

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@6:49 I don’t know what he was like at St John’s Wood but when he was in Shepherd’s Bush he was unbearable! I know so many families who ceased going to mass because of him.
It’s quite devastating to think he could give up those ‘deeply held beliefs’ so quickly after putting down so many for not adhering to them.
Pat should expose this fraud for what he is.

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It would appear that Father Steele has joined a body known as the Reformed Episcopal Church, which broke away from the Protestant Episcopal Church of the USA (now simply “The Episcopal Church”) back in 1873. It broke away as a result of the perceived inroads of the Oxford Movement in U.S. Anglicanism.
If I am not mistaken, historically, the Reformed Episcopalians tended more towards a Reformed/Calvinistic take on Anglicanism More recently, some congregations of the REC have taken on some “High Church” trappings. It has also joined forces with ACNA (“Anglican Church in North America”), a larger body which (as I understand) has broader spectrum of churchmanship (modern evangelical to Anglo-Catholic).
This is an interesting choice for Father Steele, as it seems to synthesize elements from all of the traditions he’s belonged to: Reformed, official Anglican (C of E), and Roman Catholic. I wish him all the best.

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It sounds like the family’s opposition was more due to their being ‘Ra supporters.
Plenty of Protestants were and are ostracised by their communities for marrying Catholics.

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Irish republicanism and Roman Catholicism (Romanism): the twin dogmatic ideologies of this island which, together, have fomented hatred, intolerance, violence, sectarianism, and which, again together, have repeatedly stymied the deep and lasting peace this island deserves and craves.
I’m too polite to say about these historical evils: ‘Duck them both!’.

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Agree on the evils of those two ideologies Magna. But thinking of Ireland’s problems of religio-cultural identity I would also consider relevant the “bowler hatted flag waving Ulster No Surrender species.”
I think changes will come, but slowly, and not until we see the absence of the Gregory, Ian, Edwin, Paul etc mentality.
MMM

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Junior of course, …….and two more for ‘etc, ……Jim ( both of them, the Mourne and sneering barrister ones)

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Vatolics / Vatbots steal your very articulacy, your individuality, your initiative, your conscience and your time (albeit there are still a few non-power crazy bishops around). The minor tweaks of money handling and disciplinary procedures will come at a great price to us.

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Some people mistake what religion is and we see this mistake played out on this blog all the time.
It’s very common for example to think that belonging to the right religion makes you one of the good guys. This is of course not the case, and we see it in the pathology of thinking you are innocent and your church can do no wrong.
Some people think religion will fix their own personal issues.
But the pathology of this brand loyalty is easily fixed by doing what is actually right rather than wearing your brand name as if it was a substitute.
In this case I think the family clearly demonstrates that looking right in other people’s eyes is more important than their family. The young couple are better off without the family.

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“Jesus reduced all God’s commandments to two – love your God and love your neighbour.”

Jesus was merely summing up the ten commandments, not replacing them. Jesus exalted the ten commandments and gave new meaning to them. Jesus was showing us the CONTINUATION of God’s moral law found in the Old Testament and summing it up as a LAW OF LOVE, not replacing it.

The Pharisees were very meticulous about keeping the laws of God, ALL 613 of them. They lost sight of the true meaning of their relationship with God, which was love. The law just became this “thing they had to do” in order to be saved.

There must first be love in the heart before a person can, in the strength and by the grace of Christ, begin to keep the precepts of God’s law. Obedience without love is worthless, which is exactly what the Pharisees practiced. But where love is present, a person will automatically set out to order his life in harmony with the will of God as expressed in His commandments.

The ten commandments are summed up by saying the first four are to do with loving God and the last six are to do with loving each other. If we love God supremely and love each other as ourselves, then we will keep all Ten Commandments.

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6.03
You must be a Protestant, Seamusviii if that’s how you number the commandments. Catholics have a different numbering.

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Where ever you look at especially Catholic countries such as Mexico and Ireland et all, you could see alcoholicism, big families, drugs, violence (NI, gangs wars) scouts, swimming scandals. They all have something in common that we don’t see in non Catholic countries.

Catholicism brand name is getting more toxic as we speak now cos cos of abuses, kids in dangerous places where Catholic clericalism rules the roost. This isn’t a very appealing prospect.

I rather see myself as a Christian than Catholic. I like Buddhism for their peacefulness. What’s more important is the relationship between a person and God without any need for the middleman.

Roman Catholicism is the middleman which interferes with our relationship with God cos a relationship between God and man or woman is sacred.

What’s interesting was that luther sought to remove that aspect of middleman relationship . Vatican didn’t like that.

Priest shagging women is ancient cos it isn’t new. Book by scally showed that in 1755, priest in Ireland had 2 sons with their housekeeper thus giving huge headaches to their bishops.

What was interesting is that some priests reported their own bishops to the English landlords or their governing class when England captured Ireland. Something that we don’t see nowadays re reporting bad bishops.

That post colonial aspect and its consequences was interesting at least.

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BOOK VI. SANCTIONS IN THE CHURCH

PART I. DELICTS AND PENALTIES IN GENERAL
TITLE I THE PUNISHMENT OF DELICTS IN GENERAL (Cann. 1311 – 1312)
TITLE II. PENAL LAW AND PENAL PRECEPT (Cann. 1313 – 1320)
TITLE III. THE SUBJECT LIABLE TO PENAL SANCTIONS (Cann. 1321 – 1330)
TITLE IV. PENALTIES AND OTHER PUNISHMENTS (Cann. 1331 – 1340)
CHAPTER I. CENSURES
CHAPTER II. EXPIATORY PENALTIES
CHAPTER III. PENAL REMEDIES AND PENANCES

TITLE V. THE APPLICATION OF PENALTIES (Cann. 1341 – 1353)
TITLE VI. THE CESSATION OF PENALTIES (Cann. 1354 – 1363)

PART II. PENALTIES FOR INDIVIDUAL DELICTS
TITLE I. DELICTS AGAINST RELIGION AND THE UNITY OF THE CHURCH (Cann. 1364 – 1369)
TITLE II DELICTS AGAINST ECCLESIASTICAL AUTHORITIES AND THE FREEDOM OF THE CHURCH (Cann. 1370 – 1377)
TITLE III. USURPATION OF ECCLESIASTICAL FUNCTIONS AND DELICTS IN THEIR EXERCISE (Cann. 1378 – 1389)
TITLE IV. THE CRIME OF FALSEHOOD (Cann. 1390 – 1391)
TITLE V. DELICTS AGAINST SPECIAL OBLIGATIONS (Cann. 1392 – 1396)
TITLE VI. DELICTS AGAINST HUMAN LIFE AND FREEDOM (Cann. 1397 – 1398)
TITLE VII. GENERAL NORM (Can. 1399)

New version of the VI Book (from the 8th of December 2021)

The Feast of the Immaculate Conception

It is just to give more powers to the Diocesan Tribunal as Rome is very slow.

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It’s not only Catholics and Protestants who have these kinds of stand offs when it comes to mixed / intermarriage between different cultures, religions, races etc. It happens between Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus, and perhaps as much within each group depending on caste within that group, social standing etc. If you think that Catholics and Protestants can be picky about these things, then you would be amazed at how discriminatory, prejudicial and downright nasty these groups I have mentioned can be to each other over these matters. Of course, it is difficult to talk about, because as soon as you point out these internalcultural and religious discriminations within these groups, then you are accused of discrimination and prejudice yourself ! It was partly one of the reasons why abuse of young white girls by Pakistani origin men in many towns in the UK was not addressed by the police, even they knew about it, because they were afraid of being seen as targeting a particular ethnic group. So, they let the abuse continue. Sod the young girls who were being abused, it seemed.

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Indeed. In London I knew a young woman of Greek Cypriot community background who wanted to get engaged to a man of Turkish Cypriot background. Imagine the potential for bad blood there. They broke up because of the mutual hostility by their families.

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Today blog is a prime example that religion causes division, wars, hatred, toxic environments.

That PP shouldn’t be advising that Catholic family once he gets involved in family business. Cos it’s not going to end well if it goes too far.

In my time as a boarder in deaf school, it was well over 200 deaf boys of all religious identities such as protestant, morman, few weird Christians, rich and poor families.

We as deaf boarders don’t see their religious labels as we see them as human being first. We never discussed religion knowing that it would cause intense religious discussions which would veer off to causing verbal wars and heated discussions. During the troubles, we visited our protestant friends as we knew its best not to label them as such. We communicated via sign language as we supported each other.

Once we or you discarded our religious bias and prejudices or leave it to the sidelines for time being, then peace would exist with shared hopes and common interests.

Sometimes extremism in Catholic and protestants views in NI isn’t very healthy it only cause division and hatred and also a huge divide among ourselves.

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Christianity, Protestantism, Roman Catholicism, Evangelicals. These are not the problem. Western Europe is increasingly secular. People make up their own minds. They might retain some cultural aspects of their religious history / background, but they are not majorly informed by it any more. Other values are at the forefront of their minds + Martin of Armagh seems to have finally realised this. The divisions and strife of religion will come from the various religious and ethnic groups that are mentioned by @ 0557. That’s where the trouble is brewing, both between these groups themselves, and particularly with crusading and proselytising Muslim groups that have a desire to create Muslim societies from the countries in to which they have recently moved. Sadly, there is going to be problematic strife if it continues as it seems to be at the moment. Live and let live is fast going out of the door. Sadly. The reality of separation, which in part is the choice of many immigrant, particularly Muslim, groups and the failing of policy on the part of governments, compounds the problem and creates a sense of otherness. That needs to be solved somehow, if the future is to be harmonious and peaceful.

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Good comment.
I wonder to what extent religious strife can be viewed as an evolutionary virus seeking to supplant rivals to further itself. Some, like Dawkins and Hitchens liken it and its effects to a virus.

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The hypocrisy of some people! Osaka didn’t want to take part in any press conferences at the French Open due to anxiety. The French Tennis Federation fined her. She withdrew. The president of the French Tennis Federation just read a short statement about her withdrawal and refused to answer any questions. Oh the irony and the double standards of some! 🎾

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I have some sympathy for her, having yesterday read reports of how media hacks focus on the personal matters of certain sports celebrities. It’s almost “anything goes” in the search for an angle or scoop, and some, perhaps like this talented young woman, find the almost aggressive intrusive nature of media attention just too much.
In reference to media, do other readers find irritating the current trends of presenting virtually every issue in simplistic ‘right or wrong ‘ confrontational terms?
MMM

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11.24
Not one of your predictions is correct.Mason is going to Westminster
Wilson is going nowhere he is very happy and awaiting a few Auxiliaries.
Keenan is going to Glasgow and should be announced before Vatican Holidays it was July when Philip was announced.
Vinnie has said he is willing to do another three to four years.
Glasgow and Cardiff maybe filled well before Westminster.

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11.41
I never Once said Roche for Westminster.
I thought Roche would have No job as his time was coming to an end but who knows how Pope Francis thinks and hey presto Roche got a Five year appointment.

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7.21
Bishop Paul Mason he is Bishop of the Forces for the RCC and used to be an Auxiliary in Southwark.
Maybe a bit young yet as he is only 58 however Archbishop John Wilson is only 52

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Hillsborough is the first in the north to be afforded Royal Status and becomes Royal Hillsborough. What a surprise and a load of nonsense. It’s just a one eyed proddy town with nothing on offer in it. The only one good thing it does have however is the road out of it.

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@12.07 Re Westminster. Wilson to Westminster followed by Hudson to Southwark. Glasgow is Bishop Hugh. I can tell you my information is very secure.

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Wilson was born in 1968 Only 53 years old. You would have him in Westminster for over 20 years. Much too much for one man to be in that position. 10 years maximum. No, they need to move Longley there first and then in 10 years or so move someone like Wilson or Stock there.

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Bishop Pat are you going to appeal to Rome (lol)
Can. 1331 — § 1. An excommunicated person is prohibited:
1° from celebrating the Sacrifice of the Eucharist and the other sacraments;
2° from receiving the sacraments;
3° from administering sacramentals and from celebrating the other ceremonies of liturgical worship;
4° from taking an active part in the celebrations listed above;
5° from exercising any ecclesiastical offices, duties, ministries or functions;
6° from performing acts of governance.
§ 2. If a ferendae sententiae excommunication has been imposed or a latae sententiae excommunication declared, the offender:
1° proposing to act in defiance of the provision of § 1 nn. 1-4 is to be removed, or else the liturgical action is to be suspended, unless there is a grave reason to the contrary;
2° invalidly exercises any acts of governance which, in accordance with § 1 n. 6, are unlawful;
3° is prohibited from benefiting from privileges already granted;
4° does not acquire any remuneration held in virtue of a merely ecclesiastical title;
5° is legally incapable of acquiring offices, duties, ministries, functions, rights, privileges or honorific titles.

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Nobody was even in touch with to say anything.

Romes restrictions are absolutely meaningless to me 😎

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@2:38pm it would explain why you are refused communion in Roman Churches and will be refused communion if you present yourself in the future, unless you appeal!
It can’t hurt to give it a shot!

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@2:38 and the fact they didn’t even have the manners to communicate with you tells you all you need to know about these nasty pieces of work.
Being uninterested in making overtures to Rome is the only healthy, self-respecting way to treat them.
That said I think you should still present yourself for communion so that they can show what they’re made of 😂

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@2:27

There was no need for Bishop Buckley to be informed that he’d been excommunicated. It happened automatically.

Latae sententiae (Latin meaning “of a/the sentence [already] passed”) and ferendae sententiae (Latin meaning “sentence to be passed”) are ways sentences are imposed in the Catholic Church in its canon law. A latae sententiae penalty is a penalty that is inflicted ipso facto, automatically, by force of the law itself, when a law is contravened. A ferendae sententiae penalty is a penalty that binds a guilty party only after it has been imposed on the person.

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More moves. Fr William Johnstone (to be ordained later this month) to Welwyn Garden City. Fr Tony Thomas (AP Welwyn Garden City) promoted to become a PP – parish tbc. It seems Monty is to remain in a “sticks” parish, as we have been informed that vacancies in Islington and Kensington have been filled (no names yet).

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2:27

Are there still two kinds of excommunicated person in canon law – tolerati, who can be socially tolerated and vitandi, who must be totally shunned in everyway?

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I have long cherished and ambition to be excommunicated. Do I have to get myself ordained a bishop or is there a simpler way?

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If you were a CINO and voted to repeal the 8th you excommunicated yourself automatically.

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And if it’s the life of the mother and baby or indeed both???

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Pat the rules are clearly made by those never faced with decisions like you mention, and who are never faced with the reality that every sexual act could result in another mouth you can’t afford to feed.

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Seamus there are several points here.
Firstly you refer to the 10 commandments which have been abrogated for Christians by the golden rule.
Secondly the commandment in Hebrew means ‘don’t murder’.
Thirdly you will see that in Exodus 21:22-25 if a pregnant woman is injured in battle there is only considered injury to the woman. There is no punishment for any damage to the foetus even if it is miscarried. Therefore in the law you quote at me a foetus is not a person (interestingly this is the biblical position that conservative evangelicals rightly took until recently).
So if you quote a law at me, I suggest you make sure you know what it’s talking about because even if you accept the law of the Hebrew bible it does not blanket forbid killing and does not consider killing a foetus capable of being murdered.
To answer your actual question, it was written by one of the scribes. I expect you would think God wrote it, and if so he thinks you’re wrong.

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No Seamus. Go and ask a rabbi. You’re wrong on every point but you like being ignorant don’t you.

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@ 11:35,
While you might pride yourself on being disrespectful, I respectfully read your comments, I respectfully replied and I respectfully highlighted where you are mistaken. If you wish to be rude, that is a reflection of the person you are and your character.
In the preceding verses, a lesser penalty is required of the master who accidentally kills his slave, who is without question a human person.
Is mise le meas,
Séamus
PAX

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6:09, where there is a health concern, the physician has to make a professional decision with the patient. Where there is no health concern, procreating intimacy should bring procreating responsibilities.

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Where do you get the bizarre idea that the decision suddenly becomes a professional one between the doctor and the patient if there is a health problem? When the rest of the time the parents should just grin and bear it?
Are you stupid or merely a priest?

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9:26,
Procreating intimacy should bring procreating responsibilities. Thou shalt not kill. Those who are not ill do not require a physician. Those who are ill do require a physician.

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“Being positive in a negative situation is not naive. It’s leadership.”
Reassuring words, Bishop Pat.
Remaining positive is is always helpful when we find ourselves in unfortunate situations — even more so when these negative situations are the direct cause of others’ dysfunctionional behaviours and crimes!
Being able to rest, peacefully and at ease, knowing you are the aggrieved — and that all the evidence and facts prove so is also a great reassurance.
Oh, one caveat: the Investigator must be of sound and moral character; he or she, must not be motivated financial gain; he or she, must not be a “member” of an exclusive “club” — like the Freemasons, for example.
He or she, must be totally unbiased in their approach, including affiliations, to any, and all, individuals– however remotely or closely connected these may be… whether this be ecumenically: religious affiliation; political, or “Well Inn” with the local civil / crimibal authorities!
The accused person, or persons: be that perpetrators — including bodies or organisations on “both sides” must be treated with the same respect and dignity which is afforded to every human being!
No “special treatments” for the side who are paying the fees; and no running commentaries and updates / prejudices given to any persons, bodies or organisations.
The damage, affects and effects of abuse, does not only hurt and destroy victims and survivors — it can ruin and destroy families, colleagues, and be devestating for all involved; it can cause communities to lose trust in those who are there to protect the most vulnerable in our society: even more so if those charged with protecting the most vulnerable “turn a blind eye”, or ignore the cries and pleas for help from victims and survivors.
And if those charged with protecting the most vulnerable are actively protecting, and / or facilitating perpetrators in their abuse — even more horrific: if those charged with protecting the most vulnerable are complicit and allow perpetrators to abuse and subjegate their victims, survivors, as their own “play things” without any intervention.
Well, it is not a very pleasant situation for the victim or victims.
There can be NO place in our society, save prison, for those who choose to purposefully hurt or damage our children or vulnerable adults x

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Lol it wasn’t a homily @ 3:46pm. But it could have been.
It is actually a very frightening set of affairs when you consider this situation; how is this possible in a city in these modern times?
It is a very, very frightening situation to be in when you are the victim; even the Police ignored and never did a thing.
Were the Police hoping the civil court would throw away in prison?
Remember, civil court can imprison somebody – find them “guilty” to the criminal standard and then send them to prison, straight from the civil court.
And the judge doesn’t even need ANYWHERE near the amount of evidence which is required in a proper criminal court! Just the word of a registered Social worker, nothing more, is enough for a civil court to send you to prison! FACT!
Trust me! ! ! I He got a 9 month prison sentence, suspended for 2 years.
And he can go to prison if he shows the evidence of clerical abuse to anybody!
How very, very dangerous. Something will eventually give under these restrains and violations. It’s just the natural reaction. Isn’t it.

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Who is Fr Tom Usher, another one of Vinnie’s 21 MIAs. He has invoked the right to be forgotten so there is no online trace of him. Anyone knew where he was a priest?

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Fintan Monaghan has collided with Iggy and Tom Ryan over the suppression of 3 internal reports of Fr Ger, Aidan O’Brien and David Dysky. Fintan is awfully found of midnight shredding of the witness statements.

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4.47
What a Liar you are and I hate to use the word.
I think Fintan Monaghan is very incompetent and I have Great reasons to believe Bishop Pat and Yvonne Drake.
Canon Law comes into play do you not understand that well I will explain Ger Fitzgerald is a member of the presbyterate so he is covered by Canon Law and a Canonical trial will start again once he comes of his “leave of absence” and Fintan Monahan will be desperate to get it started to get rid of Ger as Fintan has said in 30 years a Priest in June and nearly 5 years a Bishop he has NEVER had so much abuse.(so he will never forget that)
I am sure donkeys years on Bishop Pat has never forgotten the abuse of Daly.
The guys you are stalking are members of the faithful so Fintan has NO responsibility to Aiden and David and really if David and Aiden has evidence then they should take Civil or better still Criminal action against the perpetrators. (if there is any)
For my Christian upbringing I plead with you to please go and get Psychological help as really you have under lying issues.
And I do not rate Fintan but think justice must be done for all concerned.

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You’re from Cloughleigh aren’t you. The place where there are no full stops.

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Pat its very sad the two lads have to sleep with the light on at night and require sedation. The memories of the incident haunts them especially being typed to the bed post while the assault took place. We all know the names of the predators within Armagh who did this sexual crime.

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Pat why does Armagh have the highest percentage of sexual predators within the ranks of clergy and Seminarian compared to all other Dioceses in Ireland.

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@5:36pm – If the alleged happened, then a very serious crime has been committed and anyone with knowledge of it needs to go to the authorities.

However, at 5:36pm, I think more the likelihood of what is going on is this: that you literally fancy the pants of these two young men and you are exhibiting your depraved fantasies about them on this blog.

If the lads were hurt they need help and the perpetrators brought to justice.

What good some faceless gimp(s) of a pervert(s) is doing, by writing perverted sexual fantasies on Pat Buckley’s blog, is anyone’s guess.

Pat needs to put a stop to it once and for all.

At 5:36pm – go and get your jollies elsewhere. You are one sick puppy.

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The Armagh crew were quick to send the bed sheets to the dry cleaners to remove the blood stanis and semen as well.

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Are there other ways to get excommunicated apart from assisting a woman having an abortion? 🤔🙄.

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D.G.
Why get tied down in paper work just walk away.
They do not send the excommunications by email or letter you are just ignored.
Write in or email a dioceses and you will likely get a reply NOTED.
And even at that if your family wished you would still get a RCC Funeral as they refuse no one it is a corporal work of mercy.
So make sure your family know you want nothing to do with the RCC.
However we are still simply the Best 🙂

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5.33pm anon
Noted re your comments. You’re being sarcastic re we are the best 🤣🤣🤣🤣.
5.42pm and 6.13pm anon
Thanks for your explanations👍.
6th line would refer to +Pat. sinead o Connor as well plus bishops who ordained both of them.
U rem Chinese woman holding to frankie the gaslighter hands which in turn, gave her a mighty slap. Thought it was a good one cos it shows his true colours.
Just wondering if shagging on the altar would incur them excommunicated 🤔🙄?
Priests or Catholic lay persons who did it👆.
7th line would refer to a Vincentian priest who violated the seal of confession in my case. I’m sure he would know right?
2nd line would refer to a poster MMM here.
Excommunication is meaningless, more like a scare tactics to keep in our toes. Rcc is the only religious organisation in the world that issue excommunication. I remember the first time when I heard that exact term when I was in school history class. It was about Henry 8th and Martin luther as well.

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The following:

an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic;

a person who throws away the consecrated Eucharistic species or takes and retains them for a sacrilegious purpose;

a person who uses physical force against the Pope;

a priest who absolves his accomplice in a sin against the commandment against adultery;

a bishop who ordains someone a bishop without a papal mandate, and the person who receives the ordination from him;

a confessor who directly violates the sacramental seal of confession;

a person who procures a completed abortion;

accomplices without whose assistance a violation of a law prescribing latae sententiae excommunication would not have been committed;

a person who attempts to confer a holy order on a woman, and the woman who attempts to receive it.

Legislation outside of the Code of Canon Law may also decree latae sententiae excommunication. An example is that governing papal elections, which applies it to persons who violate secrecy.

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This is actually very interesting. Mainly because the majority of these things are about holy orders or the papacy and thus show underlying values.
Deaf guy – the point about funerals is a good one. Everyone should make a will anyway, and by including your wishes for your funeral you make it binding on family.
I am relieved that I am actually already excommunicated because of being deep in apostasy.

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Boris Johnson was excommunicated when he had “confirmation” in the “Church of England”.

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@9:01 he received absolution after confessing his apostasy prior to his marriage.

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Does the fact, Albert Kirby, the retired senior Merseyside Police officer is a practicing CofE in LIverpool Anglican Diocese have any bearing on the issues, past or currently unfolding?
Mr Kirby’s “independent report” absolutely tore the ex Roman seminarian vulnerable adult into pieces- and without even a shed of evidence.
Apparently, every solicitor in LIverpool, including even the Liverpool Law Society itself which the abused ex seminarian approached, would not even entertain him- even after he produced unbiebevle amounts of evidence in substantiation of the abuses!
What on earth is going on in LIverpool?
Can somebody please shed some light?
Is the vulnerable ex seminarian even safe at this time?

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Is there any chance of meeting frankie the gaslighter and tell him what I think re crean and kildorrey mass sacrilege. 🙄
I would say, just get that seminarian kicked out or excommunicated.
I’m guessing it here that seminarian isn’t from Cloyne diocese , so it could be maynooth or somewhere in another diocese.

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There are rumours that Keenan has been befriending influential people in Glasgow to propose him as Archbishop but word among lots of clergy is that he is not wanted and it’s increasingly likely that Brian McGee is coming.

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Yes 100% correct about Keenan he did the same to get Paisley and he even got Professors to write straight to Rome and therefore the previous Papal nuncio Archbishop Mennini was not amused.
Please God NO Way.
Brian McGee or Gilbert could not handle Glasgow.
Joe Toal would be excellent but his eyesight is the problem but let us hope for Archbishop Cushley.
However the Clergy are gossiping amongst themselves instead of making it Clear to Archbishop Gugerotti that Glasgow does not want John Keenan.

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Bishop Keenan is to be appointed Glasgow during the summer in Vatican holidays. A well known priest of Glasgow will then be appointed to paisley

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Bill Nolan or Big Brian is going To Paisley IF John Keenan goes to Glasgow.
The well known Glasgow Priest maybe become an Auxiliary in Glasgow as Francis seems very keen now giving dioceses auxiliary Bishops when he had stopped that.
The Vatican only stops in August to around 4th September.

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Tom Ryan was sent by Fintan to the parents of Aidan O’Brien and David Dysky to offer terms due to the assault incident. The cash lump sum I’m told was over 30k for each family. Pat do you think the 30k was enough.

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Let’s pray the two abused former Killaloe seminarians can one day find a sense of peace and reconciliation with their abusers. There needs to be put in place a facilator to conduct this emotional sharing and discussion. Aoife McGrath I’m sure would be happy to do this.

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