MARIE COLLINS, the child abuse survivor and campaigner has spoken out about the total inadequacy and shortcomings of the new Vatican penalties for the abuse of children and vulnerable adults by clerics.
Marie condemned the Vatican for not including a NO ZERO TOLERANCE and NO MANDATORY REPORTING.
She went on to say that the Vatican still saw women and children as being “TEMPTRESSES”.
According to the new rules an offending priest CAN be punished.
But it still left to the local bishop to punish or not and decide the punishment.
This says Marie Collins amounts to NO CHANGE.
It also excuses priests who offended IN THE HEAT OF PASSION!
The document also equates CHILD ABUSE with ADULTERY!
Apparently the bishops of England and Wales asked the Vatican not to use tgis language.
TheVatican ignored them!
The Vatican excused it as TRADITIONAL LANGUAGE!
Collins said:
“As a survivor of abuse as a child it bothers me that I’m still being lumped in under ” thou shalt not commit adultery”.
PAT SAYS:
There is only one way to sort the Vatican out:
1. Italy must renounce the 1929 Mussolini concard with the Vatican and bring it back under Italian and European law.
2. The international community should regard the Vatican as a rogue state and as an axis of evil.
3. Interpol and the Hague should investigate the Vatican as a criminal abuser of human rights and the rights of the child.
4. Take the pope out of the Vatican in handcuffs and march him and others off to be put on trial in a similar way to the Nazis in 1945.
BISHOP PAT BUCKLEY 
86 replies on “NEW VATICAN PENALTIES FOR CHILD ABUSE INADEQUATE AND WISHY WASHY.”
Yes. The only good thing is that the things you list will happen if the Vatican carries on like that.
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So the Vatican excuses treating children, and vulnerable adults, who are raped or sodomised by romanist priests as parties to adultery on the ground that this is… traditional language?!
This strumpet, and her pimp-pervert/pimp-pervert-protecting priests, will never learn; such is their arrogance, they think they have nothing TO learn.
But wait! ALL the good priests we keep hearing about on this blog, ad nauseum, will stand up to the plate here.
Won’t you, Holy Goat?
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11.36
Sour grapes usually set the teeth on edge. Combined with a deficiency in the language of Cicero, an intolerable connundrum was avoided by the wise decision of an astute seminary council.
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12.45
As usual from that quarter, a hostile and prejudiced emotional reaction rather than a measured and intelligent response.
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It speaks volumes that your comment is’anonymous’.Try being abused and then you can comment.
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The person with the blasphemous name (HG) used to say on the blog that he left Maynooth voluntarily (they all say that) before ordination.
Now he insinuates he’s a priest. Was he telling lies then or is he telling lies now?
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Magna: “But wait! ALL the good priests… will stand up to the plate here.”
The answer is in the balanced blog story that you overlooked Magna; “the bishops of England and Wales asked the Vatican not to use this language.”
Enjoy your selective reading MC and have a nice day! ☮️
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Well pointed out Seamus. As you rightly say, the bishops wanted a change in language and were happy to leave the wishy-washy guidelines as they are.
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Seamus, with respect, learn to read my comments with a less jaundiced and prejudicial eye: I said (and you even quoted me) : ‘ALL the good priests…’ The bishops of England and Wales clearly do not meet this criterion.
If anyone has read selectively, Seamus, it is you.
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9.47
Be grown up, Seamus, and admit that your earlier comment was wrong. Offering a strawman cannot change that, but it does make YOU, not me, appear morally lesser.
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MC 9:17, the bishops of England and Wales are enough of an indication that people of the church community are unhappy with the Vatican communication.
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So we have ‘good priests’ and ‘bad priests’, but what is clear is that the bad defeat the good, otherwise there would be no child rape or crime in the Church. In short, the combined actions of the Church leans towards the evil the priests say they are against in the world, so hypocrisy rules. Of the thousands of heavens the the priests of all the denominations in the world, the individual human desires of priests thwart the rule of the imaginary spiritual heavens; and Holy Orders have no ontological effect on the priests themselves. Therefore , we are dealing with a man-made, man-centred Church. Not even the magically thinking of the church can escape the basic logic therein!
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@ JT 9:56,
8 ways the bishops worth their salt and good priests help prevent corruption:
Understand the laws and other regulations. …
Conduct a risk assessment. …
Set the tone top-down. …
Alway conduct due diligence. …
Keep reviewing the policy. …
Communicate and train. …
Always protect whistleblowers. …
Monitor and review.
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10.56
Seamus, your ego isn’t big enough to hide your personal embarrassment, which is only going to deepen the more you duck and dive the silly gaffe you made earlier.
How do you know that all the so-called ‘good’ priests are thankful to the bishops of England and Wales for their protesting that Vatican lie?
Or did you just make that up, Seamus, to save face, as the Vatican is trying to do over its plethora of priest-perverts by presenting the criminally abused as tempters (and, therefore, as co-responsible)?
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@ MC 10:56,
Bishops and priests, bishops and priests
They go together like a horse and carriage
This I’ll tell you brother
You currently do not have one without the other…🌈☮️🙏
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@ MC 9:22,
All the good priests that you speak of are thankful to the bishops of England and Wales for being their voice of reason. Please try and keep up! 🌈☮️🙏
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10.56
Seamus, you sound schizophrenic, with more than a slight leaning towards narcissism.
You have your crosses, so I’ll leave you alone.
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@ MC 10:56, my previous comment should have been @ MC 10:24. Possibly I predicted your now rude comment at 10:56. If you wish to be rude, that is a reflection of your character and the person you are. At 7:51 and since have I merely pointed out your mistake. Peace be with you! 🌈☮️🙏
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11.20
Actually, Seamus, I was being compassionate.
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Go in peace Magna 11:23. You have been corrected.
PAX
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This exchange is so funny. Pity both parties had other things to do – Magna a day of useful work and Seamus a round of golf.
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Leave them be + Pat. They are doing a great Jon of destroying themselves. Zero credibility
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Pope Francis is as much part of the problem as the false perception that he’s part of the solution. His own record on this issue is appalling and scandalous. Argentina, Chilie, McCarrick etc.
Clerical child abuse and institutional cover up/perverting justice is ‘intrinsic’ to the Roman Catholic priesthood.
Amendments to Canon Law, apologies, Synods, reduced to the lay state are all part of the playbook and completely ineffectual.
Everything changes / nothing changes.
It’s the problem of evil – the awful, devastating reality is that the Roman Catholic priesthood has always attracted child abusers and always will.
Canon Law won’t change it – the Pope arrested for Crimes Against Humanity, Atchbishops imprisoned for covering up, bankrupt dioceses, global shutdown of seminaries (paedophile factories), the Vatican and Holy See made a pariah state for not abiding by international law and money laundering regulations would be a great start.
Bring It On.
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I would have thought that Vinny would welcome this kind of thinking by the Vatican, since he has spent so much time in the past trying to minimise sexual abuse of the vulnerable by his priests, usually with the trope that, of course, most sexual abuse happens in families and that priestly sexual abuse is such a small phenomenon in comparison, and therefore isn’t that terrible, surely ?! Vin used to begin pretty much anything he said about abuse with this statement. It is indicative of the same mindset that the Vatican has, namely that the ontological, sacramental character of the priest somehow makes it an excusable and understandable action when that priest abuses a child, and that this priest must have been drawn in to the abuse by the victim, who must have been a tempter. Vinnie is steeped in the discredited theology of priesthood, seeing him and his priests as something oh so special and exempt from the normal laws of physics !
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Ex-priests as therapists. I am exhausted trying to find a male counsellor who is not an ex priest. My life and my family was severely damaged by the Church. I have tried counselling on several occasions to discover that the counsellor was a priest or ex-priest. It seems that the “confessional model” is the only profession these men can pursue. I’m wondering is this another form of power with an empathic tilt of the head and large does of priestly presence. I’m working my way through a lineup that included Jesuits, Dominicans, Carmelites, Redemptorists and Sacred Hearts.
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A lot of the Clogher ex-priests have set themselves up as counsellors and therapists.
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That is truly frightening.
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10.54 Whats their handle good buddy over
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I remember going to a therapist in Dublin and then meeting him in the boiler house. I continued therapy and then found out that he had taken leave of absence as a priest. He later returned to his order, I guess he processed his Issues in the boiler house therapy centre.
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11.58: Magna, not as frightening as the thought that you could have been ordained!! Thank God some very wise people spotted your pathological hatred and numerous dysfunctional traits. That was a merciful decision to protect God’s people from your abusive, ugly and violent behaviour. There would have been many law suits against you. Now your UGLY behaviour is done on this blog. What a specimen of a deeply flawed human being you present. As for being “compassionate” – Magna, search for the etymology of the word. You possess nothing of the sort except for the reflection in, what must be, a very cracked mirror!! 😁😁😁😁😉. The sad truth is that you are very capable of making good points but your gargantuan ego destroys your arguments as your only medium of expression is through nasty, vicious and degrading language. Delete these trigger buttons from your mind and we’ll embrace you more positively.
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This should be a hot topic. I don’t think any priest, nun or religious should be registered as psychologists or psychotherapists working with issues relating to sexual abuse or clerical abuse.
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@1:39
Yes but just look at the ones that got through! 👀
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1.39
Delete these ‘trigger buttons’ from my mind and you’ll embrace me more positively, Honorious? 🤔
If you’re a priest, I’d rather not be embraced by you at all, or by any of your Iscariot-like, freeloading colleagues. Jesus made that call in Gethsemane, and I’m fairly sure it turned out poorly for him.
I’ll keep my ‘triggers’ as a safety precaution. 😀
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So what we’re seeing here is caring men who want to help humanity leave unholy mother church and seek another area in which they can actually care for other people instead of themselves.
Yes, that’s what you’re actually saying.
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What we are seeing is Pervy messed up
men who listen for a living. I don’t get this therapy racket
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As the Vatican becomes a pariah it will still have an ally in Republican US. Arizona is currently gearing up to conduct executions using the gas used in Auschwitz. This has not been used in the state since the nineties, when a death row inmate took 18 minutes to die, but they now can’t get the drugs used for lethal injection. Now you may say the teaching has changed but it will change back. Killing people and covering up abuse are tradition.
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Lots of haters will be out revising stories and misinterpreting narratives without having read the documents in full. Truth will be the casualty and justice for survivors will not be served. Magna’s extremist, violent, ugly verbiage, along with The Pat Says fatuous commentary, serves their cause alone: a deepening of and a greater incitement to hatred of Catholic Priests. Lads, try something more intelligent. All of us are shocked by any abuse of children and vulnerable people. A of us are enraged and have made known our views with all relevant personnel. We are not, as Marge the idiot contends, uncaring or indifferent. From his hiding place, he does zero, nothing beneficial for anyone, whereas many priests actually practice a caring ministry, making worthwhile differences to the many we encounter In our ministry – a grace denied Mr. Dysfunctional.
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You’re not coming across as noticeably caring and frankly come across as indifferent to this the natural result of your sect’s behavior to others.
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9.31
It is morally okay to hate, especially when the object of hatred is an outrageous Vatican ruling that places both priest-abuser and the abused person as co-responsible for the abuse; make no mistake, this is how the ruling presents it. Marie Collins is correct: nothing has changed.
Parties to adultery mutually consent to that act, but children, and vulnerable adults, offer no such consent to their abuse.
The Vatican is making a lie the canonical optics through which future abuse must be viewed. Your indifference to this, priest, is noted. Had you any moral credibility, you would, like the German clergy who refused to accept the CDF ruling on blessing same-sex unions, protest this gross and grotesque injustice openly and courageously; but you won’t, because you’re a moral coward, like the vast majority of your spineless, freeloading colleagues.
Frankly, it is amusing to hear somene like you refer to me as posting from a hiding place.
Dysfunctional? By God! You, and your useless kind, could talk authoratively , for hours on end, about dysfunctionality.
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ANYONE, young or old, who continues to donate money to the institutional Roman Catholic Church (‘corrupt, and riddled with corruption’) is morally complicit it in its vile crimes.
This pope, and his priests, are guilty of treating the least of Christ’s followers, children and the child-like, as exploitable and dispensable chattel.
When you see a romanist priest, you see someone who hates children so much that he hates Christ himself.
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9.49: The thoughts of a raving, disturbed, lonely lunatic. Magna, how dare you!! Just yesterday I received a wonderful, substantial gift for my 40th ordination anniversary. And, I didn’t even mention it to anyone: a parishioner researched. People who are committed to their Parish and Church see the GOODNESS and DEDICATION of their local priest and are very generous. Try a little generosity – firstly to yourself (self care), then to those around you. CHRIST remains my guide. How often do you need reminding. On this beautiful sunny day, why don’t you go for a long walk and let the hatred flow away….
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How much did you get?
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A female parishioner I presume?
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@1:48pm £225. Lots of donations came from this very website. Thank you!
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1.47
So all you can think of at such a dangerous time for the safety of little children at the hands of Vatican canonists is… how much you got from parishioners for your 40th ordination to a priesthood Christ did not institute and which has become notorious for producing sexual abusers and their protectors, and for other criminality? 😱 This, and how wonderful you believe your parishioners perceive you to be. (At their expense, of course, since you don’t actually work for a living, but sponge and mooch off them.)
Don’t let anyone ever tell you that your ego gets in the way of higher things. 🙄
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3.31
You got… £225? 🤔 Is that all? 😒 For a 40th ordination anniversary?! 😱
Mercy! I used to spend at least that much on booze every week. 😀
Your parishioners seem quite mean. Or they don’t regard you as highly as you like to boast.
£225? I’d have kept that quiet.
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At 9:49am – and you’re barking mad luv 😛
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Talking of Elsie and crimes against humanity, I wonder how the interviews are getting on in Elsie’s home Town of Liverpool? 🙈 🙉 🙊
– Fat Hole is looking for an assistant! It’s a Big opportunity! A Very BIG role — a Roly Poly, into town… knocking victims and survivors down 👿
, https://youtu.be/nTIfU4zMQWY
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9.52am If you use the language that you do regarding an individual does very little for your argument. It will gain you and your argument no favours referring to someone in that vulgar tone.
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1.48: More than I need and way above any expectation…have many caljersvto my door so it will be used for charity. Pat, the real point I wanted to make is that irrespective of the wringful, criminal behaviour uncovered within the church – and it is appalling and morally reprehensible, deserving of full civil penalties – people in parishes will always respond generously to their local priests once they are caring, committed and dedicated…I’m sure that’s been your experience too. Magna has such a dangerous hatred and malevolence towards priests that he ought to be arrested…His poisonous tirades are evil.
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2:12 Which bit of
‘One apparently kindly and considerate parish does not make up for rampant abuse, corruption and the fact that that parish is that way because the PP feels like it’s
…. don’t you understand?
You all are so fearful of the truth or else volitionally not listening through your hatred of the truth.
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2.12
My ‘poisonous tirades are evil’? 🤔Either you have more than a common inclination to melodrama, or you don’t dip into the Gospel too often.
Jesus himself made a tirade or two against the Pharisees and others for their hypocrisy and duplicity. Mind, they called Him evil, too: a follower of Beelzebul.
No, I shan’t take offence at your post; I shall take it as a backhanded compliment.😀
🎵Jesus wants me for a sunbeam…
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11:33 am Piss off 🤭
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This is a link from Marie collins twitter.
https://catholicherald.co.uk/crime-punishment-church-leaders-disastrous-refusal-to-abandon-secrecy/
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That link is worth reading. I recommend it to the Holy Goat, who, just recently, defended the overarching secrecy of canonical trials.
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4.42: Explain…I most certainly don’t fear THE TRUTH nor do I have a hatred for TRUTH – I do have a hatred for untruths and deliberate lies.
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It would help if you stopped shouting.
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6.45: Now Maggie, don’t be tempting Beelzebul…you never know how the devil will infiltrate you. We know but you are unaware…Truth is, dearie, your words have the stench of evil. Yes, evil…..👹👺👹👺👿👹👿💀😈😈….no compliments intended. Jesus knew evil and named it when necessary. You attribute evll to all clerics. That’s a big lie which you propagate all too frequently. Mags, enjoy yourself. Life is too short for hate, rage and pretentious anger. Have a beer or two or three or four or…….20!!
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Damian Thompson brilliantly sets out the charge sheet against Bergoglio.
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Canon Law will always be a self serving clericalist reality no matter what changes are introduced. The notion of law being about facilitating communal living and right relationship, which is of course law’s proper function, will always have to bow to the ego of some priests and bishops who just want to protect their own. So caught up are they in the gossip and bitchiness which characterizes their behavior among themselves that it really must be the closest thing to living in a parallel universe.
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I need a free gaff and a few quid!
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So does the Captain that’s why he went to Mullagh!
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Don’t we all luv.
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I wonder why Sammy didn’t go for the leadership, it looks as if they are going to implode under Edwin.
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Maybe he thought he would split the creationist vote?
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Sammy has a big personal vote he’ll keep his seat no matter what happens.
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And he my friend 🥳
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That’s what I mean by big personal vote, Sammy’s a good constituency MP.
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I’ve heard they have a gay therapy cure.
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Since his recent caffeine-free meeting with Elsie, Monty’s twitter account is now protected. Only approved followers can read his thoughts on gin and the Eurovision Song Contest. His new parish in September remains a secret.
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Not quite correct. Father Tom’s twitter account has been protected for a very long time. Probably two or more years.
Garngad Lad
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Just like that lad above in Leeds, the widowed deacon who had been in a civil partnership and talks about it often.
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That’s odd. I don’t follow The Montster, but saw his numerous tweets about Eurovision the other week. Now it’s protected once more. Something fishy!
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Well that’s strange, I got on it when his tweets were referred to here. And I don’t follow him.
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Cardinal Marx, who looks like he’s a gay, has offered to resign.
https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-marx-offers-to-resign
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@4.12pm Tell me, what does a gay look like? If there was ever an exhibition of ignorance and prejudice, you have managed to display it with crystal clarity. Educate yourself for the good of all people, please.
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Well of course if it’s a gay who doesn’t hate himself, it’s difficult to tell. If we’re talking about one with internalized homophobia then they tend to wear clericals and talk about the Theology of the Body. You can tell them a mile off.
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Resignation at 67. Too many lay people this will look like sauntering off to a decent retirement with substantial pension benefits.
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Archbishop Roche will get rid of the lace brigade soon.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/247884/pope-francis-believed-to-be-preparing-restrictions-for-the-traditional-mass?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+catholicnewsagency%2Fdailynews-vatican+%28CNA+Daily+News+-+Vatican%29
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That’s been on the table since Francis became pope hasn’t it, but did you notice the very unFrancis bit of that link
‘Msgr. García will be consecrated a bishop next month, a dignity not typically given to undersecretaries.’
The clerical career ladder lives!
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6.35: Glad you got my message…😁😉😁😂🤣🤣🤣😅😅😆😗…thanks.
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Oh so it’s MANNERS you fear.
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This one has come up again and again under different guises.Let the Italian State process all criminal issues on behalf of the Vatican and let the Vatican State pay the Italians for the service
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‘Holy goat’ disappeared from today blog. He’s not answering MC 😉😜.
8.04pm anon
Forgive my ignorance, what’s the theology of the body? I’m clueless. 👀🤷♂️
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You haven’t missed much, deaf guy, but if you want:http://www.theologyofthebody.net/
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James and Malcolm attempt to deal with a burst water pipe in Liverpool — it’s a messy job covering up a leak this big and messy… 🙄
Covering up a burst water pipe with a cork is just asking for trouble! “That’s another fine old mess you got me into, Malcolm…” 🙄
. https://youtu.be/6Jtjo3UtL7E
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