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3 June 2021
In the last fifteen months, we have been unable to do the things we normally do to express our faith
and our solidarity with each other. This is not to say that the life of prayer and charity have ceased,
but life’s usual patterns have been disrupted, as have the deep practices that nourish our faith,
empower our social solidarity, and animate the mission of the Church towards the poor and
disadvantaged. Along with the countries of the developed world, our country has been fortunate that
people have been supported during the significant economic upheaval and hardship of the pandemic.
Even in our grief and loss, we have much to be thankful for.
Communities and parishes have shown resilience and imagination in their responses to the challenges
of the pandemic. For many this has revealed new ways of collaboration and involvement. We also
have to acknowledge that certain aspects of Church life have been severely impacted. One of these is
parish finances, and while we eagerly long for a return to the life that we knew, we also have to act to
ensure that our parishes have the financial minimum they need to survive.
The necessary restriction of public worship has profoundly affected the two essential Sunday Mass
collections on which parish funds depend. The first collection—as you know—supports clergy
ministering throughout the diocese as well as sick and retired priests and priests working in other
ministries throughout the diocese. The second collection—the ‘Share’ collection—supports diocesan
services to parishes especially disadvantaged parishes. In the last financial year, the clergy collection
decreased by 54% and the ‘Share’ collection decreased by 65%. This year the situation is even more
grave—with a decrease of 80% and 86% respectively for the first quarter (January to March 2021
That this would have happened, given the character of the necessary lockdowns, is not surprising. I am
grateful to all who have continued to give so generously in the past 15 months.
This generosity cannot be expected to address the deeper financial challenges which the Archdiocese
faces. I have therefore approved the proposal to hold a new Summer Dues collection to support priests
of the diocese. This initiative will follow the pattern of the Christmas and Easter dues collections giving
parishioners an opportunity to contribute to the income that supports priests.
The Summer Offering collection will be launched on the weekend of the 20th June. In making this
appeal, I ask you to remember that the greatest resource of the Church is its people—both laity and
clergy —working hand-in-hand. The age profile of the priest is rapidly increasing, and there are few
vocations to priesthood and religious life. Yet the priests we have in the diocese continue to serve
quietly week-in-week-out while more is being asked of fewer and fewer. The ministry and mission of
our Church cannot continue without this humble, generous service.
I thank you for continuing to support our parishes and the clergy who work among you. Your
generosity to this new initiative of Summer Dues will provide much needed practical and moral
support for priests working quietly and effectively at the heart of every local community of faith.
While great strides have been made in getting the virus under control, there is still a way to go before
our country and other nations are out of the woods. We are facing the summer with its the brighter
mornings and long evenings. May the change of pace that summer brings provide a break from the
darkness of the difficult winter we have endured. May the Holy Spirit lift our hearts, and renew our
hope so that in ‘our common home’ we may share the life for which God created us (see Gen 1:3 1,2:18, and John 10:10).
Archbishop of Dublin.
The Irish people now have a once in a lifetime opportunity to break the back of the RCC in Ireland and its disastrous control of Ireland since at least 1922.
Starve them of money!
Cahal Daly once told his fellow bishops at Maynooth: “Starve Buckley of the oxygen of publicity” 😁
Now we have this unrivalled opportunity to starve the RCC of the oxygen of finance and money.
It is interesting to hear that in Dublin their finances are down by 54% to 86%.
For Ireland’s sake it needs to be down by 100%
In my opinion, anyone contributing to the RCC is contributing to an evil project.
I support seven charities and I’ve made sure none of them are Roman Catholic. I support secular charities that look after the homeless, the provision of fresh water in third world countries, animal welfare and cancer research and treatment.
Any organisation that has done and is doing evil is unworthy of the generosity of ordinary people.
Of course you will always have the blind Catholics who think they are buying their way into heaven by giving money to the RCC and its reps.
GER FITZGERALD’S STRANGE FRIEND SENDS ME ANOTHER THREAT 😁
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Yes they deserve it because they’d be quite happy to starve anyone else.
You didn’t see many priests starve during the Irish potato famine
Not one did, I’m afraid. Zilch! Priests were all so well off they could afford to eat other foods that were plentiful in Ireland at the time: only the potato was affected by the blight.
But hey! Now come on! Father did have to keep up his strength, you know. 😒 He, being ontologically superior to the dregs that were starving to death, was so much more necessary for God’s salvation plan. And it let Father very nicely off the hook when it came to apportioning blame for all those awful deaths to follow.
Did any Anglican vicars starve? Answers on a postcard.
Let them sell property. Let this new bishop parasite create a go fund account.
Financial Failure: I suggest Dublin Diocese headhunt Fearghal Connolly as a consultant in managing failing projects.
I was just watching this Psychobitches sketch. It is exactly like the conversation on this blog every day 😂https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i3DrvJEy7bU
Now I wonder what idiot will be the first to go ‘You’re the one who’s a psycho bitch’ 😁
I cannot contain my delight, and glee, that the romanist parasites, spongers, scroungers, and moochers of the Arch-Hypocrites of Dublin have been reduced to writing long, rambling, begging letters to parishioners there for what they prize above all else, including God himself : MAMMON!
Before any Dublin parishioner even considers dropping money into the rapacious, indolent hands of these freeloaders, think on this: these leeches belong to, and freely serve before God, an institution that regards your abused children not as victims, but as parties to adultery with priest-rapists. This is the new old thinking to emerge from the Vatican, and these Christ-betrayers, and betrayers of your children, will support it.
Would you cooperate with your oppressors?
No I wouldn’t and that’s why they won’t see one cent.
Magna did you see the responses on Twitter to the Vatican asking people to give to Peter’s Pence in 2018 or 2019? Lots of people replied to say no they won’t be giving.
No, I didn’t see that.
Magna carta your constant vile has knocked many people of reading the blog and even yesterday I only replied once.
It is not a begging letter it is a factual letter from a Leader however every dioceses is in the same boat.
Dublin has worse to come as in the Autumn a new way forward is coming and many parishes will be closing
The sale of property will bring in plenty.
I am sad to re[ort you and Pat when in the furnace (crematorium) or in the grave the RCC will still be FLOURISHING.
I am quite sure you will be getting a Humanist to your service and God help them however you can be assure of my prayers for your soul and that God will be merciful to you.
@10:59 if this comment is anything to go by he’s done us all a service.
Yeah, it is a factual begging letter.
Dermott Farrell is an arrogant twat. You need to humble him Bishop Pat. Please 🙏
It was a great night for a select sizeable number of Catholic clergy at Brown’s Hotel London. All expenses paid, no shortage of Champers and the best of food. All courtesy of Sir Rocco Forte, owner of The Catholic Herald and some five star hotels including The Balmoral Hotel in Edinburgh. Certain Scots clergy and visiting Catholic clergy always get mates rates. How the other half live!! The Forte’s always looked after the Catholic Church.
Loved how ex seminarian Sir Gerry Robinson kicked the Fortes into place with a hostile takeover of their business. Why would any business through themselves behind the RC Church? Unless he is after acquiring their real estate as some of their buildings wouLd convert well into Hotels. Oscott would be a good hotel if it was in a better location.
Because who the hell would want to stay so near Erdington!
It wouldn’t even offer scope to do what was done with Stanbrook Abbey – that was a touch of genius.
The oddballs at the London Oratory are well entertained by the Forte’s. Luke Coppen also. Rocco Forte may look after his staff well but he forced his own Father out and grabbed the hotel empire for himself. Even his neice, Alex Polizzi is ruthless. Huge contributors to Catholic Church funds.
No the Scottish guys should be ashamed as Rocco Forte has closed down Scotland’s only Catholic paper the Scottish Catholic Observer.
No word spoken just not coming back into parishes and the staff all dismissed and thats how he treats people.
They could have sent a notice Thanking everyone would had purchased the paper for decades.
Glasgow is ok they have Flourish however there is nothing Scotland wide now.
Rocco wanted 325K for it but got Zero closed.
Just to thInk his dad owned ice cream van Mr Whippy and burger joints the Little Chef. Would have thought the snobs at the London Oratory would have looked down their noses at him
It was the Edinburgh clergy elite that advised Rocco Forte to close down The Scottish Catholic Observer to avoid wasting his money. They are the ones enjoying his hospitality at his Balmoral Hotel in the city.
@12:22: “a select sizeable number of Catholic clergy”, or ” a select number of sizeable clergy? ” aren’t they all fat bar stewards? You seldom see a slim and trim
Brenda looks positively deranged and in need of the intercession of St Dympna. What’s her beef? Ger wouldn’t treat her to a battered sausage from his favourite chippy?
Gers best support network….
You have absolutely no clue as to how many people support Fr. Ger outside of Cloughleigh 🤣🤣🤣.
Its not about the number of supporters or enemies.
Its about behaviour and standards.
Hitler had a huge number of supporters.
@5:32 you can get through a huge number of supporters if you only batter your sausage once.
You are out of line with the Hitler remark. Shame on you.
I’m just challenging your ignorant assumption that having a large number of supporters is a sign that you are is good and right.
The one who is ignorant is you. You are blinded by hate. My spouse and I happen to know the priest personally. His character is sterling. Nothing you say can tarnish the truth.
Gosh they say the rise of scams has gone through the roof during the pandemic, and now the Archdiocese of Dublin seem to be getting involved too. They have plenty of real estate. Let them sell that first.
Wish him well on the rest of hes journey, he wont be back, hes battered hes sausages more than a few times ! Rules are rules.
5.32 i live outside clogeigh there is plenty disgusted…
180 signed petition signatures only…thats bad…
Which was shut down for obvious reasons..
All I want is a free gaff and a few quid!
Dr Dick Given is looking for a new housekeeper luv, he doesn’t care if your male or female as long as he’s the giver 😜
Ahh, is that a real Doctors name? It wouldn’t surprise you know Lol 😂
Dearley beloved brothers and sisters we have ruled and governed for many years. Sadly now without your money we are struggling Rev. T H Church. Dear Rev Church Fek off. PS has anyone heard about or seen the new film about Alex Ferguson
Will soon be watching it on Amazon Prime… boozeless, too! 😁🎉
The ‘good’ priests are very happy for me. Now they didn’t say as much, of course : far too modest for that, as any good priest would be. 😊
But I know, hey! 🙃
Magna I’m a Pagan priest and am both very happy for you and not too modest to say it. Congratulations!
Why did you always deny you were an alcoholic, MC?
I’ll make you the type of answer Pope Francis made in response to his own question, and recently reported in either Crux or America: why does God sometimes seem to ignore our prayers? Effectively, Francis replied with another question: who are we, God’s servants, to question God’s will.
After 2000 years of accumulated spiritual and biblical knowledge and intelligence, this was the best Francis could do… a ducking, evasive platitude rather than what one might reasonably expect at this stage, a wise insight.
I’m following his example here by being just as evasive of your question. 😀
MC obviously never read the book of Job. Or if he did, it went over his head – more likely.
Oh,I read it, and it’s just as useless, to be honest.
But you’d have thought the ‘Vicar of Christ’, top dog of the ‘one true church’, was better equipped to tell us more about that… what’ s the word you guys use when you haven’t a bloody clue? … ‘mystery’. 😀
Holyshamoley hi what’s with the dearly beloved struggling without money fek off
for if I said to herself dearly beloved, she’d give me a dig thinkin I’m up to no good.
The wages of sin is death while the cost of crime is ginormous so be good
for goodness sake gals and guys, especially the collared guys.
May The Force Be With Us…+
Bye Bye Fly Hi.
Begorra the price of shite is wasted money unless its manure you’re after
Coddle liquidated nearly all the funds to keep the show on the road till he retired. The cupboard was bare when Farrell arrived. HarteIsGladHeDidntGetTheHat2020!!!!!!
Bethehokeys hi caca costs particularly the criminal kind while recycled
shite of the manure type pays for itself in the long term. Good nite to ya.
Good luck with that Dermot 🤑🤑🤑.
Gis a few quid I’m skint ain’t going to work Dermot, a once off payment ain’t going to solve your woes, a sounder financial approach would be a fiver a month from each household. However your power is broken, your congregation is finishing.
Irish Clergy are very fortunate to have this Clergy collection now Three times a year.
They are all on GOOD salaries and many free privileges plus free accommodation and all that.
They need to come to England, Wales and Scotland and see how to live as “poor” clergy.
Anyone on here who has watched mass online could at least make a contribution in return to those parishes.
Render therefore unto the Church the things which are the Church’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.
The state helped the GAA. The state should also assist the Church and all charities who have had their donations affected by the pandemic.
People of all faiths and none have flaws. The Church has flaws. Let he who is without a flaw cast the first stone.
Many parishioners are aware of the flaws but also see the good and appreciate all the Church does in their community.
Absolutely Seamus. The church is a wonderful institution and deserves to be kept afloat by the state. Where would we be without it.
I wonder has Dermo applied for employee pandemic assistance for his otherwise self-employed priests?
Seamus: on reading of the church’s financial plight my first thought was, “Hurrah.”
However after reading your comment I thought I might contribute. The Archbishop and his minions are welcome, …….to my stones, ……and flaws.
9.50 : MMM – is this the best you can do with wit and humour…you’ve been sitting on the loo bowl too much!! A caca comment!! ☻☻☻😈😈😈😈👹👹👹👹…satanically inspired…
No@ 10:16. I can do better. Just wait.
MMM doesn’t do funny.
MMM– “Hurrah!” That’s similar to what I thought: Brilliant! Made up! About time!
These people are very, very dangerous to anybody deemed even remotely vulnerable; the more resources they have therein lies the greater possibly of unspspecting lives being destroyed.
— You wouldn’t give a paedophile ring a cheque, would you? No!
MMM, if only the taxpayer had a choice not to pay your gold-plated pension, or to reward the disgraced Sharon Shoesmith with £600,000 on top of her gold-plated pension.
Is that you again Sharon? You really have a beeinyourbonnet about her. Did you fancy her?
Amazing that Derry Dan thinks Baby P is funny.
10:14. So you’re a telepathic mind reader too Sharon. Amazing 👏
If the church want people to pay per view they should screen services on OnlyFans.
You’re scraping the barrel today, Seamus. ‘The state should also assist the Church and all charities who have had their donations affected by the pandemic’…Get real! How do do you think the State can afford to financially assist the Church plus hundreds of so-called charities financially affected by the pandemic. The economy is banjaxed, Seamus! It was banjaxed before the pandemic. Money doesn’t grow on trees.
Tell us,when was the systemic cover up of criminality by Bishops, under instruction from Rome, considered a flaw?
Boris and co gave money to the Church of England and the Roman Catholic Church England out of their culture fund.
@ 2.58, so THAT’S why Boris was permitted to marry in a Catholic cathedral?
‘Twould figure, so it would. Money always talks loudest with the Catholic Church. Always did.
2:58, that was very sensible by the powers that be across the water to help the Churched out like that.
The Taoiseach met with the all island Christian Church Leaders in April:
Most Rev Eamon Martin, Roman Catholic Archbishop of Armagh & Primate of all Ireland
Most Rev John McDowell, Church of Ireland Archbishop of Armagh & Primate of all Ireland
Rt Rev Dr David Bruce, Moderator of the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church in Ireland
Rev Dr Tom McKnight, President of the Methodist Church in Ireland and
Very Rev Dr Ivan Patterson, President of the Irish Council of Churches
There was no indication from the meeting that there was any discussion on cultural funding.
The Masses online are NOT cheap to provide and it depend the quality you want.
Some Systems are linked into the CCTV so that reduces the costs for the online Mass.
Certainly not cheap however I think the cheapest way is facebook but too risky for comments against parishes and becomes a gossip shop during Mass.
You can turn off comments.
Bishop Pat should not be starving the Church. The Church should not be starving Bishop Pat. Two wrongs do not make a right. Followers of Christ should be able to reconcile as discussed with Pat Kenny in ’95.
Two wrongs do not make a right. Followers of Christ should be able to reconcile, so take note, whoever the powers that be re. Bishop Buckley’s situation within the RCC !
Meanwhile, Seamus, the RCC should take Jesus seriously regarding harming little ones.
Tell me, Seamus, why do you think survivors of RCC abuse, including many, whose lives have been destroyed, look to Bishop Buckley’s ministry for help, support and advice? Survivors of RCC abuse are not going to be re-traumatized, gas-lighted or lied to by Bishop Buckley, for starters!
As Christians, how people should behave, and how they actually do behave, can be poles apart. Walk by the Spirit… (Gal 5:16)
Dark hidden secrets with Fintan Monaghan’s shredding of the Safeguarding compliant against Jerry Carey
Fintan Monahan has passed it all to the Guardia for them to investigate.
So hopefully the Guardia cyber unit will find this stalker and get the story.
The two lads he keeps mentioning are disgusted constantly being mentioned.
The Guardia do need search warrants to search Westbourne as all the doors and files are open for anything they want.
The stalker has now turned to suspended clergy.
€95m was paid to St laurence dicosean Trust.
See here FYI:
What an antiquated term ‘dues’ which implies an obligation. The church is owed nothing.
Yes, ‘dues’ alludes to Canon Law, specifically to it’s expressly stated ‘grave bligation’ on the faithful to support ‘their (indolent) pastors’. You can hear the whispered threat of eternal damnation in Hell 😈 for the non-conformists.
The Romanists prefer gentle persuasion, a leftover approach from their Inquisition days. 😀
Just what I was thinking.
Despite my disapproval of the horrible, offensive comnents so far by Magna and the Pat Says invitation to strip parishes bare, I personally will not be participating in this project. Yes, our salary has fallen hugely but that’s as it is for thousands of others. Certainly in our Parish, parishioners are exceptionally generous. Yet, I cannot agree in conscience to this request by our AB. He has been badly advised. There’s no doubt that parishioners will respond fo such a request: they’re loyal and will contribute and generally they are “responding” to their local clergy. But, I will not be partaking in this request. I have already forwarded to headquarters my disgust at this concept and feel a sense of shame that it was sent to parishes at a time when many parishioners are preparing for a much deserved holiday. The irreverent, ugly hostility by Pat and Mags, while not surprising, is very, very violent. Be assured, many of my colleagues think likewise. But then, smashing others ignominiously is de rigeur for you pair, sadly. It’s your hobby.
Sadly Father, I have seen the horrors of the RCC from the inside and minister every day to people whose lives have been destroyed by your beloved colleagues.
I do admire your opposition to the further fleecing of the baa baas.
7.53: I agree with you Pat about the horrors inflicted in people. I am ashamed but I’m too have tried to help some survivors. I just feel the extremist anti clerical rants are unfair to the ordinary priest in the parishes who, like you, are trying to do something worthwhile. The “disciuragement” is morally crushing.
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Well perhaps you would feel less discouraged and morally crushed if you didn’t belong to a ‘church’ whose treatment of children was described by the UN as amounting to torture.
You can’t have your cake and eat it – you are merely experiencing the natural result of your church’s behavior.
You are fully right 7:55 that he anti clerical rants are very unfair on the ordinary clergy. Many priests, like Bishop Pat, are trying to do something worthwhile.
If the reconciliation of Church and Bishop Pat had succeeded around ’92 to ’95, Bishop Pat would have had many allies from the good ordinary clergy you speak of.
7:55, will the Church ever reconcile with Bishop Pat? Will Bishop Pat then make haste to help us?
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”― Edmund Burke
These good priests you talk about – why aren’t they speaking out?
Is it because they won’t bite the hand that feeds?
Whited sepulchres the lot of them.
I find nothing offensive or hate filled in Pat or Magna’s language – just plain talking – saying it as it is.
As for the letter from the Arch B – he was ill advised. If you are going to ask for money – ask directly and plainly don’t dress it up in flowery, pompous language that a significant number of people would find difficult to understand or be prepared to be wade through.
I am hoping the letter falls on deaf ears and rejoicing in the fact that an institution that had a complacent and tyrannical grip over the people of Ireland is reduced to writing begging letters.
Excellent comment @ 5thB. Agree with every word of it.
Excuse me but what is the difference between ordinary clergy and extraordinary clergy?
Thanks in advance.
5:36pm Will the LORD make haste to help you and your colleagues? The crisis in the Church is only warming up. Watch and pray…🙏
Father we do not have headquarters you have lost your marbles if you see offices in any dioceses as headquarters as they are the Churches administration offices.
So do you see your parish as a branch office surely not.
The Church is an organisation and not a company Father.
There should be NO collections for active clergy as they are salaried however retired clergy deserve a collect.
It would be interesting to see what Ger and Gerry’s ex parishioners give and more so will Fintan give them it as they are out of service.
What about their sale of proceeds re sale of cloniffe, 95M.
why not use that money? Sell their properties to recoup cash.
Dublin diocese is very wealthy organisation with lots of assets, portfolio of investments.
Still they are asking us to donate to them even with their €95m in their bank 🤔🤔🤔🤔.
No records of previous and past donations as well and where did they go? Its about openness and financial responsibility.
Dublin diocese is the only diocese to date to have issued this type of letter.
Been watching the movie ‘the field’. It was quite impressive in some parts re acting. Noticed that a priest there in that movie closed church gates during the famine as they didn’t feed their ‘flock’. Some priests were comfortable during the famine, while at the same time his parishioners were dying. Was it true re priest not feeding his flock or it was made up for the sake of that movie.
During the pandemic, Dublin diocese didn’t defend the laity when laity wanted the church to reopen. Why should we donate or contribute to Dublin diocese cos they didn’t defend us as the laity in the first place.
Curiously they said they had received some money (from where?) but it wasn’t enough given their tax exemptions due to their charity status.
To be fair most dioceses in Ireland and the UK have donation pages added to their web sites.
But Dermott is going to a new level for money to give to the clergy that is shocking they will have a fortune in their banks as where have they spent their salaries during this pandemic.
As for Dublin’s real estate the sales will becoming once a diocesan plan is reached what churches have to go.
8.17: You are telling lies re: Dublin Diocese. Individual parishes reached out to many, many families through their charity funds ensuring that the truly needy, the elderly living alone, families etc…were cared for. The CROSSCARE agency gave much assistance to huge numbers of needy individuals and families in our Diocese. Our parish were truly remarkable in caring for many who lost their jobs and those who suddenly found themselves in need of help. That outreach continues. What about Brother Kevin’s outreach? Fr. Peter McVerry’s housing privisions? Are you stupidly blind? Please avoid lying.
anon @ 5.35pm
Can you tell me that im lying …?
i said Dublin diocese has circa 95M or more in their bank … why not use that money to fund it instead of asking us to cough up more money via DF letter.
Im aware of Brother Kevin as hes doing very good job but its now funded by the state and various private business donations. to keep them going but not using 95M monies eh?
Fr mc Verry ,same applies re private donations and bit of Dublin city council funding as well.
What im saying here was that RCC has form of using other people money re their pet projects instead of using their own money. The book by Derek Scally raised that matter which i hadnt seen it before cos it was interesting.
I nearly fell of my chair when I seen your comments.
Well Bishop Pat must be having a bad day at the Oratory if he allowed a publication to say there is any good in the RCC
Crosscare, Trocaire, SVP. Brother Kevin and Fr Peter McVerry and there is much more at presbytery doors but sadly a bad apple tries to rot the cart.
I still do not think there should be collections for Clergy as the people are Good to Clergy ALL year round.
@ 5.35, neither Bro Kevin nor Fr Peter McVerry work on their own financial resources ; these are provided principally by the State, that is, by your and my taxes.
Of course, the cathbots will deceivingly give all the credit to these men.
Killaloe scandal emerging of Jerry Carey’s past exploits in Taize. Jerry was part of a Killaloe abuse Network which brought teenager’s to Taize.
The stalker’s back.
did Lugs Monaghan send you. Lugs is awfully found of sending his men to silence the truth.
Iggy knew of the potential danger ofJerry Carey was to young males. Iggy yet again stepped back and failed to inform the Diocese Safeguarding committee and the Gardai.
How do you know this information unless you write from the Bishops’ office? Well are you?
Thanks Dermot, at last some leadership in the irish church.
In my experience, clergy live as well as if not better than the average person / family. A great deal is already found for them, and their stipend / cash / offerings etc are on top and are for the nicer parts of living – like their nice cars, like their foreign holidays, like their going out lay clothes. My view is that bishops and clergy should just suck this up for a bit longer in solidarity with the many people and families who also have suffered economic and financial difficulty over this last year and don’t have anybody like the Church or parishioners to bail them out. Fundamental option for the poor ? Well, let’s see it in action now, please !
The fundamental option is for the….priest.
Ontologically changed makes all the difference. It’s even mentioned in canon law.
It’s in action for years evident in all the covering up.
Has anybody ever met a nice alcoholic? All the ones I know are first class shits.
I’ve known quite a few, some of them family members and friends . Most of them have been/ are wonderful people.
Dublin diocese laid off 1/3 of their staff. It cuts their salary bill as its a cost saving measure which will benefit them in the long run. Still they have the money to pay off the redundancies and what’s left of their reserves or savings to keep them going in last 12 months or so. That includes €95 M sale of cloniffe grounds.
What did Dermot Farrell know about his abusive cousin Micheál Ledwith?
No cleric ever knows anything about any abuse by any other cleric, has never seen a hint of it and it’s all a plot. Of course they abhor abuse and should they ever see any being done by a layperson they will immediately report it to the police because they’re moral people so lay off them and give generously.
A wall of silence from Dermot Farrell.
If M. Ledwith had been Dermot Farrell’s brother, D.F. would not have been responsible for M.L.’s actions. We don’t operate a policy of guilty by association in the civilized world.
If the bishops and cardinals etc had fallen on their swords and resigned a lot of misery could have been avoided. We have had 20 to 30 years of them trying to avoid responsibility and going into denial. They failed in their duty of care to protect the most vulnerable in their care. We don’t need leaders like this. We should not be supporting them. We should not collude in our own oppression.
Meanwhile The chair of the Common Fund Paul Taylor announces :
Mr. Frank C O Donnell MA, B.Mus(Hons) has been appointed by
The Very Reverend Paul Taylor ,PP, VF, KCHS, as Master of Music to the Catholic parishes
Of Rathgar and Ranelagh.
A published composer, experienced organist, conductor and musicologist he brings to this role a wealth of experience and enthusiasm. He is based in the Church of the Three Patrons , Rathgar and the Church of the Holy Name , Ranelagh.
Bells and smells but the cost , the cost ah nothing about the cost.
No problem with costs in Ranelagh. According to their parish website they turned around their funds from a deficit of €37.7k in 2019 to a surplus of €2.6k in 2020. Of course this was helped by the receipt of over €14k in TWSS payments and an increase in overall contributions from the parishoners. PS Paul Taylor is the ADM here.
2. 19pm anon
Did whole Dublin diocese avail of that scheme TWSS apart from Ranelagh?
If thats the case, so why did DF write the above mentioned letter to parishes for more money even though they have €95M and other monies as well that we don’t know, in their bank as a reserve or savings.
Deaf Guy, ABH instructed all parishes to claim the TWSS where their income fell by more than 25%, so I assume that they did. In the case of Ranelagh their income actually rose but they did not return the €14k to Revenue. How was this passed by the parish auditors?
Ask the people in Ranelagh and Rathgar about Frank O’Donnell – they won’t mention music.
I’m just waiting for + Vin to start his moaning in his moderated Scouse about money and how things are tough in Westminster. Just wait for it.
He has subtly punished the sick and retired clergy with financial cuts.
3.52: DG….you don’t know everything…Did it occur to you that perhaps property was sold???? Yes, That’s how some parishes can show a healthy bank sheet. Get a grip.
anon at 5.26pm
Yes im aware that property was sold as i did mention 95M in euros.
Whats your problem?
here is a communication from the Archdioceses of Armagh, Dioceses of Dromore and Down and Connor if you are in the North but every dioceses has provision.
Excuse me but what does a girl have to do on this blog to get a grip?
Thanks in advance.
Yes, that is the million-dollar question. What did Archbishop Farrell know and/or cover-up about his abusive cousin? According to the fount of all knowledge, Wikipedia, Ledwith was laicised in 2005. Does anybody know if that laicisation was voluntary or enforced?
Mullaney has hired a special investigator to discover the sources.
Gimme an S, gimme a T, gimme an A, gimme an L, gimme a K, gimme an E, gimme an R. Whatta we got?
Is that how Trolly Dolly Deacon Wilson used to entertain the passengers on Ryan Air?
Who is Ryan Air?
Pat, I understand your negative impressions of your former spiritual home but surely taking such hand clapping delight at the financial travails of the Dublin Diocese is not admirable from any perspective. There’s a sneering c8ntempt in your words. However, I understand your feeling a but don’t accept their ferociousness and offensiveness. But I vehemently reject the hate incitement of Magna Carta. I am at a loss as to why you print his utterly depraved and ugly narratives. I have rarely read such hatred, poison and dangerous, violent words. I am disappointed with you to facilitate this hate spewer.
The clerical motto of every Roman Catholic clergyman regarding the laity is: Pray, Obey and Pay.
Money for sacraments is their game.
Money to placate and exploit deeply embedded fear of ‘final damnation’,
Two things I’m interested in money wise:
Why was Antonio Menninni appointed Papal Nuncio to Britain – his father Luigi was jailed for his part in the Banco Ambrosia Scandal – does not the apple fall far from the tree? – his dad was a money launderer who worked with Michel Sidona (Mafia) and Lucia Geli (P2). Calvi another friend of his dad was hung from Blackfriars Bridge in 1982.
What if anything did the Westminster Diocese know about the ongoing massive property fraud in Chelsea involving 1/4 of a billion and funded by money from St Peter’s Pence?
Could a fraud of this magnitude happen under their noses without them knowing?
The Vatican and Roman Catholic Church always involves financial impropriety and crime of one kind or another whilst presuming to teach the world on the moral and ethical life.
Oh and they trade on the old canard of we’re broke!!
Exceedingly interesting about the Menninis and their associates and interests, heartfelt thanks for pointing it out.
Funny word, “Dues”.
My parents used to talk about the pre-Concilliar thing at funerals in Enniskillen in which the priest read out what people had given at requiem Masses, eg Seamus A gave half a crown, Paddy B gave thruppence. Names and amounts were read out in full, down to the last penny.
It shamed people on two grounds, by making people feel they had to give more because their offering looked small; or it said the deceased obviously wasn’t well liked if people didn’t give much.
Did these so-called funeral dues happen anywhere else or was it only in Enniskillen?
I’ve heard stories like that from elderly Irish parishioners. As a priest I was absolutely shocked and disgusted. What someone offers is only their business. Glad it doesn’t happen now.
No the only place they happened were on your sick mind.
No clergy would do this.
In the RCC Church Requiem Masses are a corporal work of mercy to the clergy so you would only pay the Music Team
I take it your a lapsed catholic.
The funeral directors may give a donation but it is all recorded for the Charity commissioners.
Only pay the ‘music team’? A-hah, hah, hah 😂
Absolute bollocks! I pre-paid my own funeral costs two years ago and a proportion of it was reserved purely for the priest. I refused to pay it, as I want no Romanist anywhere near my remains.
I saved myself £50!👍 And I partied with the money. 😀
Yes it happened elsewhere. I have very clear memories of the priest at Mass coming down from the altar, and standing at the sanctuary gates, reading the “dues” list from a notebook. Always starting with the highest, he’d recite name and amounts in descending order. The memory is so clear to me that I remember the usual top three:
Dr O’ £1.
Kevin P. £1 (local publican & hotelier)
Tony M £1. ( local publican)
And it always had me wondering why they were collecting for the ✡ Jews!
5.31: MMM, did you laugh heartily at your “joke” about the Jews!! As said earlier, you don’t do humour well…😁😂🤣😃🤠🤠🤠🤠…stay in the Mountain Bar, Maisie!!
Thanks, MMM @5.31pm for confirming that the funeral dues happened. A rude denier earlier said that my parents had imagined it. They did not, and they also mentioned that the priest stood on the sanctuary steps to read the list.
I assume that the money went to the priests and not to the bereaved family.
What a degrading spectacle it must have been, plus it was a chance for the parish bigwigs to get their big donation read out in front of the plebs.
Your choice of pseudonym and comment indicates your mentality. I don’t think he attempted any joke by simply recalling an honest memory. However your comment is worthy of a smile,…….of sympathy
The RCC is surprisingly inexpert in its real estate dealings. The valuable All Hallows, Mater Dei and St Patrick’s College, Drumcondra, have all been secularised and given away, despite being worth millions.
Similarly, the north/new campus at Maynooth was sold to Maynooth University on a 999 year lease for just over €1 million, despite the Church having spent millions on it and the site being worth far, far in excess of what it was sold for.
The south campus is similarly being readied for sale at a knock-down price, with vultures gathering and planning permission being sought to build houses on the graf.
Never mind though, we can ask the widows for a bigger mite.
They need to take lessons from the Jesuits. Sold their property in Kensington for hundreds of millions. Heythrop College in Kensington Square. I think the nuns to whom it originally belonged before selling it to Heythrop are going to get a cut, because wisely they knew its value and were acutely aware that it could be sold on at a vast profit. the SJs will pocket a tidy sum, I’m sure. For the poor, the migrants, the refugees and all the other fundamental option for the poor types that they minister too. Although, I’m sure some will find its way to those prestigious schools and colleges they run in the UK for the sons and daughters of the well off. It would be goo to hear from them how they are going to spend their windfall. They are certainly spending millions on a new build novitiate in Birmingham, so I’ve read on here. How’s that going ?
Exactly why do you think Forte is sniffing around…
— Liverpool Echo. June 4, 2021 —
”’Children abused by family ‘paedophile ring’ [in Warrington / Chester Diocese] but nobody brought to justice”’ 🤢 🧑⚖️
“An expert panel criticised “Very poor” information sharing between Police and Social Services…”
“It made damning conclusions about how Police Officers had worked with Social Workers, suggesting that information had been “Withheld” by Police and Social Workers had failed to challenge the force…”
This is just one example of the experiences of victims and survivors who come into contact with the Police and Social Services in the North West Region of England.
There are currently other investigations ongoing, including the IICSA inquiry into the Church of England—which has also indicated particular interest within the North West Region.
Who cares what goes on in the Church of Englamd mate or in Liverpool. Get a life.
@ 3:42 pm Many people do care about that particular, and thank goodness they do. Your acid remark indicates a rather nasty person behind the comment, dismissive of good people.
Well said, 5.52! Ignorant people like the poster at 5.03 are tedious and best avoided.
Love that picture of Jesus driving the Chief Moneychanger out of the Temple.
6.33: You are very confused about Diocesan Finances. You really ought to speak with the professionals. Anyway, since you don’t have much affiliation with the RC Church, MYOB….
ROWL I know more than you think as I am salaried from them.
Most dioceses now use sage or other online accounting facility.
Why did you bring that up cos im not from Armagh diocese?
I have stated quite clearly that im not from the north & do visit there from time to time. Yes im aware that they (Armagh) do provide services for the deaf.
FYI, there was a serial abuser there in the link that you provided as he/she was named in pseudonym names in Ryan report of 2009. Many deaf boys at that time suffered re nightmares,problems with drink et al at their hands when that abuser was the head of school for deaf kids. That abuser now deceased as there was a celebration on that day with lot of vulgar and swear words used. Couldn’t believe the depth of many deaf kids now adults feelings towards that abuser. If i were you, i would recommend you to watch a move called sleeper (1996 version cos 1st one is 1973) or maxima mea culpa movie hard hitting documentary on the Vatican along with Rottweiler Ratzinger re abuses on deaf kids. Sadly it was a priest with an irish name called Murphy.
Just trying to get you back into the True fold as the door is always open.
Most Dioceses have many provisions for everyone now it is 2021 sadly they treated people with any disability’s badly before.
Their idea Oh let us take them to Lourdes.
Goodness, who uses faxes nowadays.
Faxes were outdated about 20 years ago.
If you want one you maybe get one on ebay.
In Clogher they still use Telex and button A and button B phones.
There are some ordinary suffragan dioceses with plain and straightforward bishops, and honest clergy and parish accountants, who have to take it in the neck from the high profile big shouts.
Then there are “sodalities” that aren’t under any diocesan or Vatican tribunals whatever, which hold among other things “missions” to nigh on uninhabited islands, in which the unwary are “invited” to involve themselves (to whatever extent), after which it is “night night baby” to the simple life.
Minor adjustments in the window dressing don’t go nearly as far as is being made out. Where can ordinary individuals that had got caught up in such “sodalities” look for redress to their integrity over commitments (of any kind) made “in the heat of passion”?
People who were funded to turn clergy, only to laify themselves or transfer to another denomination within a few years, get criticised. However my sympathy is with them (if they haven’t been misbehaving). Given the sentimental guilt tripping and rigid wishy washiness along the lines of “it’s your only chance of being christian” which they all seem to have been told, they were set up.
Was there ” sweetheart deal” done when selling off Clonliffe land to the GAA for a mere 95 million?. How come it wasnt sold by tender ?? It is a prime piece of real estate
The same is about to happen in Westminster. The vicious queens, led by the two Jeremies and the various prettyboy hangers on just spend spend spend on themselves. They shower the young things with gifts but get away with it in there closed gay shop
Fr Humphreys ex Anglican who married Bojo in Westminster Cathedral was posted in Enfield at the time. Who delegated him? Far more questions than answers here. If Bojo was confirmed Anglican at Eton then his RC baptism is questionable?
You are correct, Father Humphries ex-Anglican vicar is parish priest in Enfield. However, father Humphries was sub-administrator of Westminster cathedral at the time of Wilfrid’s baptism. He was for a short period, acting administrator whilst canon Tuckwell was seriously ill. Basically Fr Witon parish priest in Enfield (before that sub-administrator at the cathedral) moved back as administrator when canon Tuckwell died. Father Humphries moved to Enfield.
It made sense for father Humphries to continue the marital preparations. Don’t you agree? There is nothing more to question or answer.
Please take a look at the Archdiocese of Westminster web site. There is a very clear statement on the marriage in the news section.
6.12pm Who delegated the ex Anglican to perform the wedding as he was not the PP in Westminster. The Westminster lot dodm’t want to be associated? You have a lot to learn.
The same people who ordained reprobates like monty and balzanella
Obviously you cannot read. I said that that father Humphries baptised Wilfrid and was instructing the marriage couple when he was transferred to Enfield. It made sense to go back and continue for a few more months rather than someone else take over. Really quite simple to understand.
I certainly don’t have a lot to learn. You certainly do.
Like all the new Westminster clergy he’s both out gay and right wing . Truly anglican with comfort making and sycophansy . Gay tory tight trouser club.