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FATHER MICHAEL KEANE – THE STORY.

FATHER MICHAEL KEANE was ordained a priest for the archdiocese of Tuam.

He had a wonderful approach to pastoral ministry.

His strategy was to go to a parish and study the particular needs of the people there and then begin to practically address them.

Early on he noticed that one of the big problems of the West of Ireland was lonely bachelors and spinsters living in isolated places with very little opportunity to meet friends, partners and future husbands and wives.

So Michael set up the Knock Marriage Bureau to address these issues. The bureau had great success and led to something like 500 marriages.

Father Keane’s trouble with the church started when he inherited a fortune on the death of a relative.

The archbishop Joseph Walsh wanted Michael to give the money to the diocese and told Michael: “A man with that kind of money would get a mitre”.

Michael refused and his fate was sealed.

Walsh made it impossible for Michael Keane to work in Tuam and Michael, with the agreement of Walsh and Dermot Ryan of Dublin moved to work in Templeogue in Dublin.

Unfortunately in Templeogue Michael met a difficult parish priest who carried stories to the cold and aloof Dermot Ryan.

Ryan

In any event Ryan wanted Michael out of Dublin. Michael refused to go and squatted in the presbytery.

Ryan, with his normal thickness, brought the matter to the court and obtained an eviction. The Garda carried Michael, Molly his long time housekeeper and all their belongings out of the house and dumped them on the street.

The eviction had a profound, life-changing effect on Michael and Molly. Both devout Catholics being thrown out on the street by the archbishop and the Garda.

Fortunately, with Michael’s money, he was able to buy another house in the parish where he lived until Molly died.

After his eviction and sacking Michael became involved in protesting against the Church on various matters including optional celibacy. He and I were in many protests together.

Michael, my mother Jo and myself

After Molly died, Michael retired to his native Mayo where he lived with a nephew.

He had good health for a while. But when it failed he went to a nursing hime where he died.

At some stage before this he had a reconcilitary Mass with the Church presided over by the auxiliary bishop of Dublin, Eamon Walsh.

There was no fulsome apology offered but Michael wanted to be reconciled with them.

His funeral Mass was celebrated by Michael Neary of Tuam where all Michael suffered was glossed over – in typical Roman fashion.

For some reason Michael never wanted to do anything against Roman canon law?

He didn’t run a coach and horses through it as I happily have 😁

I must say death bed reconciliations with Rome always make me feel very queasy.

Even my beloved Oscar Wilde succumbed.

It is my firm intention not to go there 🥳

104 replies on “FATHER MICHAEL KEANE – THE STORY.”

Yes. Who the hell would want to be reconciled with them.
It’s literally all about money and power.

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Pat I got drunk on the wine tonight. I feckin had enough of the shite. No one is in charge, no one gives a damn. Priests are doing what the hell they like. The end times are here.
Would you step up if you were asked? You would have to be celibate of course.

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Once they closed down the county homes it left nowhere for these auld farts like Old Paddy to be shut up in. Bring back the county homes.

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Sorry to hear you’re feeling a bit crappy, Paddy. Been there myself a few times over lockdown so know where you’re coming from. I find going for walks helps with the lockdown blues and the weather is a but better now.
And any road, Bishop Pat has stood up, he’s stood up for what is right and just.
God bless, take care yourself x

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My funeral instructions are crystal: no romanist priest must officiate at my burial, nor attempt to kiss me on any of my four cheeks as I lie a-moulding in my coffin.
I’m like Saint Martin Luther: if I must return to Earth, it should be as a ghost to haunt every romanist priest God sends my way.
Literally, God knows they all are in dire need of conversion. 😀 I’d be humbled to be God’s instrument for this.

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@11:39pm. Im newish here, having got Old Paddy’s old laptop as he’s upgraded to a new shiny one. But I have to say you seem to love the sound of your voice, or maybe that should actually be vice. You go on and on and on and on, have you not got a life you poor thing. Im off now to have coffee with the book club ladies and after that I’ll go for a walk in the hills. I’d say a prayer for you but I don’t think the Lord Jesus would be bothered about you, not since they closed the old county homes.

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11.16

You are not that new, are you?

But keep commenting, please. I value YOUR opinion very highly indeed.

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Magna Carta
Does they include “Romanist” priests that we have trained and now go about Ireland as Independent and make a fortune.
Or do you want a Humanist.
like take one of the ex Romanists going about however be rest assured it all Roman Catholic Liturgy they use.
It is like monkeys with a collar on.

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5.20

It annoys you, doesn’t it, that romanist hegemony in Ireland is steeply, and irredeemably, on the wane?

That romanist priestly status here is now a receding and contemptuous memory?

Fewer and fewer people in Ireland want anything to do with these (you?) parasites, scroungers, spongers, and moochers.

I think the penny is finally dropping for many on this island that if you have to pay (Yes. And how!) a romanist priest to perform his little rituals at your funeral, then he really isn’t praying at all: he’s, as I already suggested, performing. It’s just stylised semi-street theatre.

And you know where you all can stick it.

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Ooh sour grapes with a vengeance.
Pat when your altar missal wears out you could use the Church of England Common Worship. That’s Western Rite too – although of course the Romans are merely upset they can’t own everything.

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Use Common Worship? It’s a bit “own brand” isn’t it? Like cod roe pretending to be caviar, or ASDA Wheat Bisk passing itself off as Weetabix.

Like everything else in Anglicanism, it looks real but it isn’t.

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How many people will go to Magna’s funeral?
A big fat zero. That’s how many.

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Martin Luther completed rejected ghosts as the spirits of the dead but rather said they were demons masquerading as lost souls.

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There must be more to the Joseph Walsh chapter. He couldn’t possibly have demanded that Michael Keane would hand over his personal wealth to the diocese. The quotation, if it is reliable, that a man with such money would normally get a mitre is intriguing. Purchasing offices sounds like a form of simony.

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8:39
Appalling.
MC, you’re right. Parasites, scroungers, spongers, and moochers plus hypocrites!
It’s a pity these characters don’t go so apoplectic over child rape by their colleagues or covering up by their bishops.

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Keane was a stubborn old goat who was ruined by his inheritance. It made him arrogant and difficult to manage. Authority figures became the focus of his rage. Unfortunately the PP he clashed with in Willington Parish – Paul Boland was an equally arrogant man in love with his ‘superiority’ as PP and they clashed. On a personal level he was a nice old country farmer type, shrewd as a fox but self-willed beyond measure. I liked him greatly. Thank God there was a reconciliation of sorts before his demise, largely brokered by Bishop Eamon Walsh. Despite his rebellious spirit Michael knew his arse from his elbow when it came to the authority of the church. May he rest in peace.
You, Pat, on the other hand…………………nuff said…….

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No the apparatchiks of the Roman church make a point of frightening people about what they say might happen after death.

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Fr. Kane wasva very good man of principle and integrity. Despite his conflicts with authority he didn’t turn into a nasty, vengeful person and crush others. There was a graciousness about Fr. Kane that was admirable, enabling him to make greater impact on others. His decision to reconcile with his spiritual home is even more admirable, a truly Gospel inspired moment, a God-grace moment for him. He was an inspiring priest.

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It is admirable that he reconciled but it wasn’t necessary. God can forgive him as he was willing to forgive others. He could have forgiven without reconciliation but he had his reasons and may he rest in peace.
Your comment has an unnecessary veiled strike against others who have had to plot a different path as followers of Christ.
“Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us. Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward.
Many of us have a good relationship with the Church. There are those not so fortunate and others who have been mistreated. Their faith is admirable and their determination as followers of Christ is also admirable.

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8:16 pm

Mistreated is a blatant misrepresentation to minimize criminality, ruined lives, and premature death as a consequence of abuse. Meanwhile covering up of abuse still goes on.
So much for gospel concern compassion and charity. Its easy to talk the talk. It’s easy to sign off letters with platitudes such as may Christ Jesus be your consolation; meanwhile covering-up continues..

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I am very grateful that I have always during my ministry had access to funds, mostly inherited, that have supported me and enabled me to have a level of financial and decision making independence, rather than having to be constantly dependent on the sometimes idiotic whim of the bishop. I have always taken seriously my promise to respect and obey my bishop, but alongside that I have expected balance, reason and respect for me from him. It has not always been thae case. So, having some independence has enabled me to rise above some of the idiotic decisions he has made and to retain some dignity. Not all priests are in that fortunate position, I know, and remain infantilised and pushed about by bishops who still seem to think that they are the mouthpiece of God ! I think we have all be disabused of that silliness by revelations of how so many bishops in the past have facilitated and covered up criminal abusive behaviour by some of their priests. I do not think that they can expect that likes of me any longer to take their word as if it is from God and jump to immediately. And, when it comes to retirement, I feel fortunate that I will be able to cut the strings completely and live with dignity and independence with my own resources. Again, I feel for priests who remain tied to the apron strings of the bishop even in retirement.

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Yes, My Lord. Of course. But, the days are fast running out where you can lord it over your priests or anybody else.

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Your comment@9:05, sounds like someone out of wrong side of the bed feeling grouchy and resentful that anyone should reject you and all your priestly pomposity. I presume you are one, even if you now deny it.
Like Magna, I too have signed up to a no ceremony, no frills send off, well away from any hint of religion, and the RCC especially.

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To live independently in the south east of England you would need to purchase a house with an average price of around £350k. You would also need a retirement pension pot of say £500k to give you a modest annual income of around £20k to cover your living and household bills. Few clergy could ever achieve such financial independence.

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And the reason they couldn’t – they want the social standing of living the standard of living of the wealthy area of the south east of England.
Many working people are simply no longer able to afford a house there.
You’re about your social standing lol.

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All a priest need do is go to Calais, buy a dinghy, paddle out into the English Channel and the Border Farce taxi service will pick him up and give him 5 star hotel accommodation followed by a council house. Sorted.

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The comments are revealing the full depth of cathbot hatred today, including their racism and hatred of asylum seekers. Keep going as you are please – get your church known for its right wing mentality as well as failure to protect life. Just please mention Trump and a few conspiracy theories.

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8.57
Your post is an implicit admission that the entire system of clerical hierarchy and dependence is wrong, and open to abuse by bishops; and yet you remain part of it.
Thank you for proving my point about the institutional romanist Church.

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Anon 8.57 am

WHO was that Bishop that you were referring to? you don’t have to say his name since you are not in retirement yet. Just name the diocese if you wish or not.

Interesting mindset re he thinks they are a mouthpiece of god. Where did they get that idea from? 🤔

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8.57
Father I sincerely Thank you for your honesty but hopefully things are changing with the younger Bishops apart from Eamon Martin and yes some bishops are horrendous however by 2026 all should have been gone by then.
However I can tell you Bishop Treanor and Browne were constantly in touch with the clergy during lockdown and some thought they were spying.
We will never really be able to move on until the old guard go and the problem in Ireland they have been there that long.
Poor Armagh they have Amy till 2033 God help the people and clergy of Armagh.
Bishop Router will be out of there by 2024 and away to Derry why that useless Bishop retires.
To be fair to bishop McKeown he tries his best but stuck in the 80’s

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5.32
Jim S’s unmistakable delusion that he knows what every bishop in these islands is thinking and who he will be replaced by. Admittedly he didn’t mention a nuncio or writing to one.

And I’m not Bella. Unlike both I can write in English.

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8.57
Why do you feel for these priests? They chose such infantile dependency the day they were ordained: the day they chose to ditch their consciences by promising or vowing obedience to another who was not Christ.
Why do people continue to wonder at the moral depravity of romanist clergy? Did they really believe that good could come from their betrayal of Christ?

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I know priests who are terrified of falling out with their bishop in a way that could impact on their retirement package.
The relationship between priest and bishop is infantile and from the moment they are ordained they are infantilised.
Compounded, of course, by the fact that their bishop has been firmly shut in adolescent lock all their lives – infants leading infants so to speak.
Bishop Baron exemplified this with his recent short chastisement You Tube video in which he gives an episcopal bollocking to US Catholics for not returning to Sunday Mass – him with his excessively large pectoral cross looking all cross and offended as if he was saying ‘Go to your room’ to an especially recalcitrant naughty infant!
Although I did glean a glint of fear in his eyes that nobody is listening because no one gives a shite (to much crime and cover up) and we sense what he’s really saying is ‘Give us ya money.’

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I tried to watch the video and felt nauseous. Mind you I had just watched a bit of the one for Corpus Christi where he goes on and on about blood.
Gross.

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Best advice to young clergy is to speak to a financial advisor and start a personal private pension. Few bishops encourage you to do so, as they say the sick and retired clergy fund will keep you – and of course they can control you. The sooner you start a pension the better. Then whatever way life takes you, you will have a degree of financial independence.

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Yes. Well said. Newly-ordained priests should be advised ro take out a mortgage as early as they can. Such advice should be part of theirfinal-year seminary education. It’s not a satisfactory arrangement to have your line manager also acting as your landlord. The Anglican system where clergy apply for positions (including that of bishop) and can move from diocese to diocese, and from country to country has much to recommend it.

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Anglican clergy are actually lay people as far as the Catholic Church is concerned , so different HR standards apply.

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Seminary formation will never do that as they want you to “rely on the Lord’s providence” which is code for “the bishop’s providence” and keep you infant like and tied to your spiritual father. But the parable of the buried talents should spur on young clergy to start putting money aside now for later life, and not to waste their money on fancy cars, eating out or ecclesiastical dress or ornaments.
There are tax savings to be made in investing in a pension. Given the modest stated income of clergy it would be difficult for them to get a mortgage in their own right. However, they could club together with a sibling or other relative (or indeed with other clerics) and contribute to a mortgage on a property. They would need to ensure that they are on the title deeds or their interest in the property is recorded in a declaration of trust. Even if they stay the course (and I don’t know what the statistics are for that) it would be reassuring to know that you have not to go cap in hand your bishop. If they leave then they would have funds to establish themselves in life and retrain.

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@11:14 When you apply the standard of Apostolicae Curae RC clergy ordained with the ordinal of 1968 are also laypeople.
Oh, sorry, you won’t want to know that because you were just having a random pop at Anglicans.

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11.14
The second half ofyour sentence is a non sequitur. The first half lacks theological and ecclesiological nuance. Put together, the two halves are an ignorant knee-jerk reaction to a question and in an area in which you are out of your depth.

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9.28
Great Advice but can I just a Funeral insurance or Funeral plan do not leave the burned to you family.
The Dioceses all turn to the family now.
However the Dioceses will pay for funerals at a last resort rather than ask the state.

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“It is my firm intention not to go there”

Today’s Gospel reading has Jesus warning us not to call anybody a “fool”. using “renegade” is more strongly forbidden. But what else are you?

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It is heartening to see the disrespect for the RCC episcopal hierarchy shown in the above comments. By all accounts it’s a realistic and legitimate appraisal by clergy, and the disrespect totally warranted. The need for independent financial advice in anon@9:28’s comment is a must.
I firmly believe that the current exodus from the priesthood would become a flood if more priests had financial independence or a viable alternative profession, and not just for financial reasons.
Many priests ARE aware just how false and unfounded are the RCC’s claims, but ‘ham-strung’ by dependency, console themselves with ‘pastoral’ social service good works: the decent ones that is. The others? Well we’re certainly hearing plenty about them in the press and +Pat’s blog.
MMM

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We don’t all have access to gold-plated public sector pension schemes that desk polishers like you get, MMM.

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Actually you do. You can leave your diocese and train as a social worker or health professional. Just be prepared for them to expect you to behave professionally and you’ll miss the dinners at parishioners’ expense.

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Is that you again Sharon? It must really get up your nose to realise how well people can do when well away from the RC greedy clutches. Your jealousy shines through your every fatuous comment.

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1.07. I don’t think anyone here other than you has referred to the Baby P matter as funny.
It goes to show what a warped, twisted and infantile mentality you have.

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Calling someone “Sharon” (after Sharon Shoesmith, is crass, tasteless and offensive.
For some time I worked in the complaints department of one of the NI Health and Social Care Trusts. It was frightening the number of complaints about social workers that were upheld, and I had to draft grovelling apologies for an AD or CEO to sign, so I’ll stick with my scepticism, if that’s all right with you.

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Anon@8:46: Well at least your experience shows one profession being called to account for failures, …….unlike the RCC getting away with massive wrongdoing and little accountability.

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A pension pot of £500,000 would never return a income of £20,000 – 2.5 per cent, if v lucky, more like £12,500 per year.
£350,000 would get you a broom cupboard in the SE.
Clerical pension pots are screwed because the returns are shite.
The primary goal of a clerical pension pot is to take care of the bishop not the priests in his dotage.
Clergy will be like everybody else dependent on the state or private means.

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11.02

Romanist bishops aren’t successors of the Apostles: they are successors of one apostle: Judas Iscariot.

Odd I was never taught that in seminary. 😀

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MC 5:06, you are getting great mileage out of Judas Iscariot. If only you can join the dots that the good priests you have written of recently are more like the other apostles. How long is a piece of string? How long must we wait for the penny to drop?

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7.56

Actually, today is the very first time I mentioned Judas Iscariot in relation to romanist bishops.

You have a great imagination, Seamus: you know, for making up stuff. 😀

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Take out a life assurance policy on your bishop. Reasonable monthly premiums and when he shuffles off this planet you’ll be quids in.

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Anglican Bishop of Willesden Pete Broadbent (suffragen/auxiliary), who will be 69 next month, has announced his resignation in September, one year before he is required to step down on reaching 70. He has said it is because he is too pale, too male and too stale, in the light of Black Lives Matters. He hopes his successor will be a black woman. He has put himself forward to do a project for his boss the female Bishop of London for a year. Pete and his wife will leave his official residence and move to the family home in Ealing, not far from Chiswick! As a republican, he had made some unpleasant comments about members of the Royal Family and he has been rebuked by his former boss Bishop Richard Chartres, a friend of The Prince of Wales.

As we know, Elsie is unlikely to follow Bishop Pete’s example and may hang on for three or four years. This might favour the younger candidates in their fifties, such as Wilson, Mason, O’Toole and Spock.

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Some clergy have managed to escape after being left inheritances from parishioners. I am sure the hierarchy will crack down on that next and forbid it in the same way solicitors and medics are not allowed to receive them.

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Does the Knock Marriage Bureau do gay marriage introductions now? One of the brave lads who took on Asher’s Bakery over a cake could take Knock to court for discrimination.

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May I remind you that said ” brave ” lads LOST their case against Ashers?

Christ was triumphant through Ashers heroic stand.

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11.21am: The Knock Marriage Bureau closed in 2019 after 50 years – having assisted over 1000 couples in finding their partners. So, get up to speed. But the modern version exists at the Oratory, Larne – non-catholic – and anyone of any persuasion, colour, creed, gender, etc…..can apply and be guaranteed a ritual of blessings….. The chief solemniser is Bishop Buckley.

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Ha ha ha I think Bishop Pat is so on the money regarding the appropriately named ‘Bishoprics’’ and sexual favours – I also think that being a practising homosexual helps with cover up (a bishops trade if ever there was one) because they are accustomed to keeping everything on the down low.
Imagine how far a young man can progress in the Catholic Church if his felatio skills are second to none.
Oh come on you can’t tell me that those young men seconded to the Secretariat of State and Diplomatic Academy are not the male equivalent of Cunning Linguists.

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What’s more shocking about Ryan that he evicted Fr keane out without any recourse to alternative housing. That’s rcc for you and us as well.

Barron isn’t exactly popular with Voris and his cheerleading of team militant. He’s slick and smooth talker when I watched him one time.

His business of selling religious books, leaflets is making millions.

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@ 11:54am. The moaners never give and the givers never moan. Oh that more bishops were like Bishop Barron.

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3.14pm an9n
I😝FYI, in case of Barron making millions here 👉https://cleanthechurch.com/2020/07/06/bishop-robert-barrons-word-on-fire-ministry-gets-1million-from-the-government/

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Leo Cushley’s best friend Barron packed Edinburgh’s Usher hall for nights and chargde a fortune.

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@5.48 Actually, Cushley and Barron are not friends. Cushley asked him to bring teaching to his faithful, delivered in mighty and exhilarating tones. There were no fees, apart from those required to deliver the event. I simply do not understand your rather nasty jibes at an evangelist of the highest order. His Excellency, Bishop Barron has a special gift for preaching. Yes, let him reach out to the world without the rancour you might wish to bring upon him.

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What’s more interesting and also eye opener re Walsh saying to keane, I give you a bishopric in an exchange of your money or wealth. That’s tactit admission that rcc after all, is interested in money, yours and mine as well, especially the old ladies mass goers.
Have heard some stories re PP manipulating some parishioners as regards to their wills, even hand over their lands as well. This should be off limits just like medics and solicitors.
Recall infamous dr Shipman manipulation on his clients re wills. So any stories re PP or bishops or cardinals manipulated people out there for their assets or money or lands.
I remembered many years ago that I got a call from my cousin saying that pp wants to buy my house after death of my parent. It was news to me as I said to my cousin, no chance of that. That talk stopped all of a sudden afterwards. Rcc do play games at times with us, for instance my story 👆when it comes to money or assets or even lands.

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“The Knock Marriage Bureau”? And why not…? It sounds a great idea, really. Why should people be isolated and not given a chance to meet for friendship or even companionship? Even the Mormons have them, too, their called “Firesides” 😊
Mind though: The Knock Marriage Bureau does not operate from the piety shop in Knock. The Knock Shop is a little further down the road lol 🙄

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3.14pm

Bishop Barren is a meeja priest whose playbook is orthodoxy mixed with clerical authoritarianism – a potent and lucrative cocktail for right wing Catholics – when Bishop Barren is serving the poor and the LGBT community with the same fervour that will be a blessed day – and drops the large, ostentatious pectoral cross which must have cost a Kings Ransom!!

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‘First, [Barron] did not once — not once — acknowledge that the bishops’ failure to stop child rape has been the single most significant reason many Catholics have become nones. He said that there is a vast library of research about who is leaving the church and why, and that the No. 1 reason is that they no longer believe. He distinguished this from no longer believing the church’s moral teachings. But, he did not probe: Might the lousy witness of so many priests and bishops be the problem? No, he suggested the lack of faith was “the bitter fruit of the dumbing down of our faith.” A friend likes to say that John Paul II was a Platonist, that for him if you believed rightly you were the virtuous person. It was this that allowed him to remain blind to the inadequacies and moral failures of many of his collaborators: They believed the right things’.
https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/distinctly-catholic/barrons-idea-evangelization-nones-misses-mark

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Since 2018 there has been no more communion from the Vatican – you have all been released from your baptismal or ordination vows – just ask the Vatican foreign Minister.
Laity are allowed to have smarties if they admit they are degenerate (even those who aren’t), and clergy are allowed to dole out smarties if they are degenerate (though those who aren’t, are also allowed, confusingly), under that operandum nonsense.
Bring back Donatism! In my young day half the parish didn’t “go up”, affording tactful cover to politicians.

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I’m betting that when Michael Keane and his housekeeper/servant were booted out into those dismal Dublin streets by righteous Ryan,all the good, manly priests of Dublin archdiocese stood up and were counted among Keane’s defenders, just as Jesus would have been.
What? 🤔 What do you mean by ‘not one priest did’? 🤔
You underestimate the strength of goodness in Dublin ‘s priests. 😒What did Fr Gérard McGinnity call these noble, manly men ? 😡
Christmen!😇 Aye, that he did.
Well, there you have it. 😀

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Good programme on TV about the super rich and Bond Street. They haven’t mentioned that the Vatican owns the Bvlgary shop yet.

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Covering up child rape and abuse of vulnerable adults is human. Re-traumatizing.
gaslighting and lying to survivors who come forward is inhuman. Clericalism is alive,
well, covering up and still kicking.

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10:36 pm

Covering up child rape and abuse of vulnerable adults is inhuman. Re-traumatizing.
gaslighting and lying to survivors who come forward is inhuman. Clericalism is alive,
well, covering up and still kicking.

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Francis emphasized the importance of asking for the gift of docility, which he said “is a constructive attitude of one’s vocation and also of one’s personality = being a filleted priest.

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Fake resignation as expected. Marx doesn’t owe Don Franco any duty. But he’s a creep. Well the Vatican foreign Minister isn’t a valid archbishop at any rate.
“Taking up the crisis, personally and communally, is the only fruitful path”
That’s right, foist unending melodrama – without any chance of Holy Spirit – on those weaker! St Peter deserted Jesus only. None of them had been in the upper room after witnessing the Ascension. That’s why the comparison is obviously irrelevant.

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Simple just swear an affidavit that you’ve renounced your baptism and the RC Church which will suffice for the law of the land. Who cares about the hocus pocus of RC canon law or their doctrines.

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What’s defamatory about referencing his penchant for shreddies and underpants ? It’s fact. Simple. Get over it, Polly !

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I never knew about the Fr Keane story. I did hear part of the reason for the bureau was to find partners for isolated farmers. I am aware of one or two of the matches. Is it still going

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