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GAY ADVOCATE FR JAMES MARTIN SJ HAS PRIVATE MEETING WITH POPE FRANCIS.

In a move that will infuriate Anerican bishops and global Catholic conservatives, Pope Francis has granted the LGBT advocate, Fr James Martin, a private audience.

In fact, I think that Francis did it on purpose to piss off the American bishops who went against his advice on giving Communion to President Biden.

“I want to thank you for your pastoral zeal and your ability to be close to people, with the closeness that Jesus had, and which reflects the closeness of God,” the pope said.

FATHER MARTIN’S BOOK

Fr Martin had sent the pope his book – a book welcomed by a Vatican cardinal.

Pope Francis is a bit confusing about gay issues.

He did say “Who am I to judge”.

And then he said gay seminarians are not acceptable.

In fairness, we have seen and are saying the great destruction gay priest cabalsvare causing in dioceses, monasteries and religious orders.

KILLALOE DIOCESAN CHANGES:

Appointments to take effect from Friday 6th of August, apart from where stated.

Fr Ger Nash, Diocesan Secretary, Director of Pastoral Planning has been appointed bishop-elect of Ferns by Pope Francis.  Ordination ceremony in Enniscorthy on September 5th, 2021.  Every good wish and blessing to him in his ministry.

Brendan Moloney, Co-PP, Odhrán Pastoral Area, resident in Silvermines to retire as Co-PP and VF but remaining in Odhrán Pastoral Area and Silvermines as AP.

John Bane, Co-PP, Ceantar na Lochanna Pastoral Area, resident in Broadford to retire to Ennis.

Joe Kennedy, Co-PP, Olatrim Pastoral Area, resident in Monegal, Dunkerrin Paris to retire as Co-PP and to remain on as AP.

Peter O’Loughlin, Co-PP, Inis Cathaigh Pastoral Area, resident in Kilmihil to retire as Co-PP and to remain on as AP.

Pat O’Neill, Co-PP, Imeall Bóirne Pastoral Area, resident in Ruan to retire as Co-PP but staying on as AP in Ruan and in Imeall Bóirne Pastoral Area.

Pat Gilbert, to retire from St Brendan’s Community College & to undertake a sabbatical with a view to returning to pastoral ministry in the diocese in 2022.

Des Hillery, Co-PP, VG to become VF of Odhrán Pastoral Area for a period of one year.  In addition to duties in Nenagh and the pastoral area to take on parish responsibility for Portroe.

Rexon Chullickal, CC, Odhrán Pastoral Area, resident in Nenagh in addition to duties in Nenagh and the pastoral area to take on parish responsibility for Youghalarra.

Ger Jones, Co-PP, Odhrán Pastoral Area, resident in Portroe to be Diocesan Secretary and Co-PP, Abbey Pastoral Area and resident in Cloughleigh.

Damien Nolan, Co-PP, VF to be PP of the Imeall Bóirne Pastoral Area.

Martin Blake, Co PP, Críocha Callan Pastoral Area, resident in Kilmaley Parish to undertake a sabbatical with a view to returning to pastoral ministry in the diocese in 2022.

Tom Fitzpatrick, Co-PP, Tradaree Pastoral Area, Resident in Newmarket-on-Fergus to be Co-PP, Abbey Pastoral Area and resident in Doora-Barefield Parish. (Appointment to take effect from October 1st, 2021)

Michael Collins, Director of Formation, Maynooth to be Co-PP, Tradaree Pastoral Area, resident in Newmarket-on-Fergus and to be director of Pastoral Planning for the Diocese.  (Appointment to take effect from October 1st, 2021)

David Carroll, Co-PP, VF, Inis Cealtra Pastoral Area, resident in Bodyke to be Co-PP of the Abbey Pastoral Area, resident in St Joseph’s, Ennis.

John McGovern, Co-PP, Abbey Pastoral Area, resident in St. Joseph’s, Ennis to be Co-PP, Críocha Callan Pastoral Area, resident in Kilmaley Parish.

Joe McMahon, Co-PP, Inis Cealtra Pastoral Area, resident in Scarriff to be VF of the Inis Cealtra Pastoral Area.

Dariusz Plasek, Co-PP, Abbey Pastoral Area, resident in Ennis to be Co-PP, Inis Cealtra Pastoral Area and resident in Bodyke.

Pat Deely, Redwood, Lorrha, to assist in the Pastoral Area of Cois Deirge.

James Michael, Tradaree Pastoral Area, resident in Shannon to be CC, in the Pastoral Area of Tradaree, continuing to reside in Shannon.  Both James Michael and Francis Xavier Kochuveettil, along with duties in Shannon to assist in the pastoral area to give Michael Collins in Newmarket-on-Fergus scope for pastoral planning and to help also in Sixmilebridge.

As agreed restructuring of Cronan Pastoral Area to take place in 2022.

No sign if GER FITZGERALD or JERRY CAREY, thank God.

But I see Cloughleigh has a new GER.

Michael Collins 😭

150 replies on “GAY ADVOCATE FR JAMES MARTIN SJ HAS PRIVATE MEETING WITH POPE FRANCIS.”

Anything which helps dismantle the RC clerical junta can only be good.
I think the politicisation of communion means the churches should start paying taxes.

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Are there many “sensible ” priests to choose from, ….anywhere?
Well it depends on definition of sensible.
Some possibilities:
Looks after himself first and foremost.
Keeps his head down, profile low, questions nothing, goes with the flow.
Practised at forelock tugging, bowing low and murmering “Yes my Lord: if it pleases you”
Hope I haven’t missed out anything.

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The US bishops like Gomez of LA and Cordileone of SF will really be pissed off, and rightly so, because they are rigidly stuck in the era of the culture wars where anything to do with morality, sexuality, relationships and how people live their lives is seen as rigid and black and white. Can you imagine spending time with those two ?! A bundle of fun, no doubt ! Always on the look out for sin. And always judging other people.

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9:56

One swallow a summer does not make. A divided house cannot stand. End cover ups.

Respect compassion sensitivity truth in love and justice must be shown by the hierarchy to those abused by the church.

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One leper returned to thank Jesus while the rest went on their merry way. One Bishop acted on the summer of ’16 while the rest circled the wagons. There is always one.

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11.11
The veracity of your take on the topic in question is doubtful. A thorough checking of the sequence of events would be helpfulf and disabuse you of your incorrect conclusions about the actions of one bishop.

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Seamus, are you ok? This comment makes sense and is vaguely related to the previous one!

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11.11
Seamus sounds content with one. Oddly, Jesus wasn’t when he asked the whereabouts of the ungracious nine.
Do what Jesus did:, raise your game, Seamus.
And start to read the Gospel particularly, not selectively; it is not for proof-texting. If you did, you wouldn’t show your kindergarten-level understanding of it on this blog quite so often.

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11:36,
Does the Summer of ’16 College have a confidentiality agreement document, similar in policy to the Crimine solicitationies document, that students must sign within 9 weeks of commencing formation?

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Anon 1:03, you comment through a narrow prism, cannot see a rolling conversation and yet somehow partly contributed to a rolling conversation. You are not as tangled up as most of Magna’s posse.
“Were not all cleansed? Where are the others? Has no one returned to give praise to God except this Bishop?” Then he said to him, “Rise and go; your faith has made you well.”
Then he said to the Bishop, “Rise and go; your faith has made you well.”

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1:10 pm
And, did you ever work in Summer of ’16 College? Defending the indefensible is like a mirage in the desert without borders or boundaries surrounded by bactrain camels who’d give you the hump! Isn’t it strange the well spoken priest makes no reference to anti-life abusiveness in his church.
THE 1962 VATICAN INSTRUCTION
“CRIMEN SOLLICITATIONIS,” PROMULGATED ON MARCH 16, 1962
Thomas Doyle, O.P., J.C.D.
April 1, 2008
2. Crimen Sollicitationis remained in effect until 2001 when the Vatican published a new set
of procedures for prosecuting especially grave canonical crimes, including certain sexual crimes committed by the clergy. Two official documents were issued. The first was an apostolic letter of Pope John Paul II, known by its Latin title Sacramentorum sanctitatis tutela, by which the actual norms were promulgated. This letter, dated April 30, 2001, was followed on May 18, 2001 by an official document that set forth the norms. This latter document was signed by Cardinal Josef Ratzinger, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Both documents refer to certain serious canonical crimes and among those is sexual abuse by clerics. These documents represent revised procedures to be used by Bishops and major religious superiors in response to allegations of clergy sexual abuse.
31.The reasons for the seemingly perennial problems of clergy sexual abuse and its cover-up will not be found in Church documents alone. One must delve deeper than the documents into the very nature of the ecclesial culture. The documents may be indicators of the official Church’s awareness of sexual abuse of minors and other vulnerable persons by the clergy, but these documents surely are not the cause of clergy sexual abuse nor are they the foundation of the official Church’s response to such abuse.

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Seamus at 2.03, are you really schizophrenic, which has been suggested on the blog? I’m not being facetious, because your post rambles; in fact, you ramble quite a bit in general, making little sense at all, your comments being too often irrelevant. This is a classic symptom of schizophrenia.

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2:45

Seamus, while I can understand you may wish to conceal your identity, the prism through which you communicate is extremely constricted. Try to expand more if making replies, please. If you are referring to JP2 along with Benny; both did far too little far too late;
both knew of the problems for decades; both were forced into acting. Meanwhile,
mountains of ‘caca’ built up, much of which remains, many lives ruined, church credibility shot, while Frankie is still unable get his act together. Tell the truth all and shame the devil!

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3:30, everyone knows the bishop who called out the summer of ’16. Everyone knows the bishop who acted on the summer of ’16. Everyone knows the bishops who circled the wagons.

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Diocese, it’s like the gift that keeps on giving!

Exchange one womaniser, for an even bigger player ….

Should introduce Michael collins to Yvonne, I bet she will have him on he’s way in 6 months, nailed to the cross by he’s bollocks😉🙃

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1.12
Not surprised this is stated on this blog.
Yvonne is a Lady with personal trauma and was not help but used by Ger Fitzgerald and I have never met Yvonne but from experience she will be very wounded, Hurt, Distressed and not look at a “priest” in a collar Ger has tarnished them all.
However be rest assured Yvonne is NO fool and why should Yvonne help you to get your fantasy and Father Michael.
Go to Larne and Father Paul a Gentleman is looking for a partner but leave Yvonne and Michael alone.

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I look forward to the day that parishes are run by two gay priests in a civil partnership or even better marriage. Queer and Catholic by Mark Dowd is a lovely little book

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Academically Fr Michael Collins is a joke, I dont know how he will be able to draft a Pastoral Plan for Killaloe given he has extreme dyslexia.

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Have no desire or interest to see diocesan changes cos its irrelevant. It only confirms for me that’s its a blog for priests, not lay. Hence a gossipier blog to that extent.

Not been to mass since lockdown stopped last May. Faith in JC but not in RCC and their institutions.

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Deaf geezer @10.12am I think you have told us that same message 100 times now. We get the message yet again that you have no interest in the RC Church. You can be so repetitive and boring.

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11.35, repetitive alright. Not DG, but the church you serve with its predictable criminal behaviour around children.
You are in a glasshouse. So stop throwing stones.

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10.12: Deaf Guy, you know quite well the focus of this blog – it’s not for “lay people” – yet you are quite happy to engage prolifically all too often…Somehow if Jesus was to come back, you’d find lots of complaints to hurl at him!

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12:27

The focus of this blog is about exposing the corruption, abuse and criminality in the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland and internationally. Most victims are children and vulnerable lay people. So, this blog is for not only for ‘priests’. DG is obviously perceived as a threat to some contributors.

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@1.11pm Come of it as I doubt you are looking for any Priest, good or otherwise so cut the crap. The only thing you are looking for in your sad life is an argument. You are just a predictable disgruntled troll that wants to hit out at anything and anyone. Go crawl back under your bridge.

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12.27pm
So u are a priest? Bishops or cardinals or prelates like monsignors are today pharisees and still cover up and cover up with endless tripe.
Jesus isnt about the institution itself per se cos I don’t think he intended to start it. Its all about community that he was preaching, no middleman just direct relationship with us and him.
It isn’t for lay people cos it’s Gossipier blog for priests and sems with loads of backbiting to that extent.
We as lay people have no interest in diocesean changes, its meaningless and innane cos its irrelevant.
I throw bricks(comments) at rcc cos they needed a kick up in their backside.
Its totally a uphill battle to change rcc from bottom (laity) cos its top tier of cardinals who controls it all the way .
Why should we be contributing monies to rcc where we have NO say in rcc matters plus NO OVERSIGHT of where the money is going etc. They rcc are laughing at women especially cos it’s they are fools in rcc eyes, contributing it to rcc with their money cos rcc misogynistic and obsesed with sex and women bodies.
Thats why I didn’t contribute for long time and won’t be contributing to Peter pence this coming weekend.
Jesus never spoke about sex, very little in fact, just he said ‘sin no more’ as he didn’t criticise that woman.

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I admire Fr. Martin for his advocacy on behalf of the gay community in all its colours and variations. I also believe that Pope Francis would be more radical if the very powerful curia wasn’t so entrenched. I do not agree with the aggressive pushing of some of the gay politics and what seems very extreme sexual experimentation but it is time for the Church to fully appreciate, respect and embrace every person who wants and desires to belong to its community. It is hypocritical of the church to promulgate a moral teaching about human sexuality which excludedes many but yet has a huge percentage of gay clergy. I hope Pope Francis will move forward against a deeply entrenched conservative curia. Dialogue marked by genuine listening, tolerance, respect and compassion is essential in bridging a very hurtful and painful gap created between different categories of people.

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10.28

Francis more radical? 😁

He’s what used to be called ‘a loyal son of the Church’, not of Jesus mind, but of the Church.

Francis’ record in Argentina isn’ t even faintly radical.

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MC at 1.17pm

Francis isn’t radical at all whatsoever. He’s frankly too Conservative except for change in death penalty.

Francis record is typical of any bishops with an intention to cover up, example of this I’d Grassi case. Its typical as you can see it.

The best bit about him was slapping China womans hands.

The reason I called frankie the gaslighter.. See this below :

He did say “Who am I to judge”.

And then he said gay seminarians are not acceptable.

Thats gaslighting. Plain and simple. He’s contradictory re his remarks.

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Well the new director or pastoral planning needs to sort out all that co-PP nonsense. There is no office of co-PP. Are they thinking of canon 517 section 1? If so, that is an extraordinary provision and should not be routinely used as it appears to be in Killaloe. Even then the priests appointed under 517 section 1 are not Co-PPs. There is one single office of pastor conferred upon several priests at the same time with the provision that one of them must be appointed as moderator to co-ordinate the pastoral activity. What is this canonical anomaly in the diocese of Killaloe?

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10:38 am I am afraid you seem to lack any innovative spirit or imagination. Apparently, a lone parish priest continues in his lonely state? It is apparently not possible to form a team with different skills and knowledge to provide improved administrative and pastoral care? The status quo is obviously your preferred option, which is very sad indeed. Please move beyond law to innovate, finding what is good and pleasing, then forming rules to encourage and contain the best.

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@12.16pm there is provision in canon 517 section 1 or section 2. It should be followed.

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It is possible and good to have a team but there must be a team leader i.e. the PP.

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10.38
It is not just in Killaloe the Modern planning it is in Limerick, Kildare and Ossory and it is the way forward.
The VF is in charge.
and the Plan is the Co Priests will move around so you will not have the same Priest all the time it is called sharing the resources.
The Laity will have more to do in THIER Parish with funeral Ministry to start with and other Ministries of the Church.
Your Dioceses NEEDS to play catch up.
What is the alternative Close the Churches.
Co Priests is working in Partnership for the Good of the Vineyard.
Watch the massive changes in Dublin this Autumn.
As for Ger and Jerry they are not even worth a mention by Fintan not even to say Sabbatical hopefully Ger and Jerry resign NOW.

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I came across this letter to Fr Martin on a more Conservative blog where the author was less than pleased. I can’t help but feel that people who grumble about a necessary apostolate being encouraged are like Saul’s daughter grumbling about King David’s dance before the ark of the covenant. They lack true interior freedom before the Lord and end up in a barren bitterness which they disguise as virtuous protestations.

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10.53: A good comment De Integro. Many clerics, sadly, find themselves between a rock and the deep blue sea. As clerics, we know the reality of gay clerics, some in relationships, some who remain celibate, others very covert but outwardly angry about any outreach or apostolate towards gay people, an anger which is a form of repressed sexuality. In today’s world we must respect all people. There cannot any longer be room for a divisive theology around human sexuality in all its forms. Society and culture has moved on from rigid definitions and oppressive moral teachings. The Church has to adapt to a new understanding of modern realities. Condemning, judging and hurting people by moral labels is discriminatory and wrong. For all of us reared and schooled in very conservative values, moral teachings and virtues, the readjusting to acceptance of and embracing the gay community is a big call but one we must try to grasp and respond to with a greater sensitivity and compassion.

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11.57: How wonderfully intelligent, mature and perceptive you are!! God help you, ignoramus. and idiot. We know where your brain is buried – not in your head!!

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11.37
You are clearly infatuated and obsessed with one of them. At the same time, you are not concerned for either of them. Your referring to them in the way you do is a text-book case of prurience.

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Mother Cardinal Burke will be getting her frilly lace drawers in a twist over this. I bet she has had to go take a lay down in a darkened room.

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Another gay predator priest who was also a homophobe. For the last 20 years you’ve only had to type the word priest into Google news to see an endless stream of clerical depravity.

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I wouldn’t trust Bergoglio. He’s playing a media game. He’s about as sincere abs as hypocritical as the institution he fronts.

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The clergy are back in force now the subject isn’t misconduct. Funny that.
I particularly love that thing of telling DG not to say the same thing. Funny, they’re all happy to proclaim the same gospel year in year out.
It’s almost as if controlling what is said on this blog, rather than being bored with repetition, were the real issue for them.

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Yup! That’s it. Clergy still like to be in control and to censor. They think we’re still in the good ole days when the Church ordered what was what, like it did in that movie Song for a Raggy Boy.
You wanna watch that movie. Irish clergy and religious at their best worst: child murderers, child rapists, and their archepiscopal protectors. And all true. 🤕

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Thanks for the recommendations, deaf guy and Anon. I’ve seen some of the ones Deaf Guy mentions.
Now if only we could get the priests to watch them and actually take in the reality of the torture inflicted by their church. If they watch them at all, it’s with the mindset that they are the good guys and the documentary isn’t the whole story. They would see them with different eyes if they realized that for the abused person that is the whole story and as Deaf Guy said, there is no escape because of a fear of more abuse and trauma.

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1.37pm anon
Yes it’s a true story in 1939. I think it was daingean famous institutional school in Co Offaly.
You should watch it
1. A documentary named ‘Mea Maxima Culpa’.
Powerful and hard hitting docu. Interesting that rotweiller Ratzinger resigned few days later after that film.
All the evidence was pointed to him and jpii, Bishop Weakland, nuncio as well. It was that movie I realised that they knew it all along not even laicising nor defrocking that priest Murphy an Irish name to boot. After that I decided to not trust rcc anymore. ENOUGH is ENOUGH.
2. MADGELENE women film
3. The boys of st Vincent’s (Canada school)
4. SPOTLIGHT docu/film.
5. States of fear- rte documentary.
6. Documentary on ex priest Fr Oliver o Grady.
Some of them are stomach churning for some of you but I have seen it close myself to an abuser and couldn’t report it cos another black eye or shut up. Its all about control and fooling Catholics re their double or secret lives.

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1:23 nonetheless you’re giving a very good impression of being annoyed, ‘father’.

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This Cathbot couldn’t give a shite how long you haven’t been to Mass @1.21pm. Who actualky cares as I certainly don’t. Sorry to disappoint you.

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I would be more convinced of your cathbot credentials if you reacted as a cathbot. You’re obviously not a cathbot so stop pretending to be one.

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1.21, you have the priests all annoyed because they are thinking of all the donations they’ve missed out on from your 21 year absence. 🙄

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The church also teaches that abortion is wrong but investsein a company making emergency contraception. Bet you will side step that one Seamus.

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Wrong again, Seamus. The Church preaches no such thing, but a few old men in the Church DO. Not quite the same thing.

Preaching at people isn’t the best way to get people’s attention, Seamus, let alone their compliance.

Your usage of the word ‘preach’ suggests an outdated, and highly unpopular, mindset. People don’t like being preached at, Seamus.

Have you learned nothing?

CAN you yet learn anything?

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1.17, yes Seamus has developed nifty footwork over the years through repeated side-stepping.

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Seamus at 1:26
What you utterly fail to realize is that healthy intelligent people don’t need to belong to posses, they can think independently and also evaluate any information which may be reason to rethink an opinion.
You are seeing the comments here through the church prism of think what you’re told.
Magna doesn’t have a posse, and you’re not talking to sheep like you usually are.

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Anon 2:38,
If it looks like one of Magna’s posse, comments like one of Magna’s posse, and gets stroppy like one of Magna’s posse, then it probably is one of Magna’s posse! 🦆😉

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Seamus is answering the question, ‘What does your imagined Magna posse look like?’
His answer is ironically also the answer to the question, ‘What does an intelligent and kind person look like?’. Of Seamus could learn that similarity it would revolutionise his life and he would start relating to people as people instead of things.

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Other than for weddings and funerals, rites of passage ceremonies, I’ve not been to Mass, of my own volition, for at least 45 years. And am I bothered? Not in the least.
Now here’s the thing. Does every Sunday, and Holy Day, count as an extra and separate mortal sin? Is your Holy Gidfella quietly totting up my negative score?
What a load of contradictory tautological religious s#!te they fed me as a child, and many of you blinkered lot still believe!
Cathbots and especially RCC clergy, your religion is beyond a joke, for it’s dangerous. And you lot are obliviously blind to its harmful nature. You come on here and when not firing off ad hominem personalised attacks you argue non stop about minor issues . Puts me in mind of the pharisees in Matthew 23:5!
I comment as one formerly similarly blind, now thankfully free thinking, 😄, and free.😉

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Not freeing? And Roman Catholicism is?

I suppose it is, really, when you think about it.

Free to practise the grossest moral hypocrisy.

Free to condemn gay love and free for priests to practise it.

Free to preach ‘suffer the little children’ and then have priests rape those same children while fellow clerics, including popes, work like the Devil to conceal these crimes and depravity.

Free to …

Oh, what’s the use!

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2.46: Derry Dan, you may have jettisoned your Catholic Faith but sadly, it’s been replaced by a sickly, insidious cynicism and a poisonous hatred. Not exactly very freeing!!

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@Derry Dan, the holy gidfeller ironically doesn’t give a damn what you do on a Sunday. He was quite content to let the priests rape children and despite his frequent smiting in the Hebrew bible, the priests want us to think he takes an interest in foetuses.
It’s obviously the priests who have most interest. I wonder why….

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@3:53: ‘scuse me: did you miss it when Dan used the words “obliviously blind”? Or maybe you didn’t understand them, or realise to whom it referred?
Go figure!

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The question is what took them so long to bring this man to canonical trial?
Oh, wait! They are roman Catholic priests, aren’t they? So truth and justice don’t matter to these pervert protectors.

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Comments re Magna posse and sensitivity of some commentators is indicative of a lack of discernment on the part of Seamus.

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Please part for all the Clergy in our Diocese of Lancaster who have now been advised of their new appointments. Please pray for Bishop Paul as he has tried his best to “shuffle his pack” for the good of his flock.

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It would be helpful if you provided detail. Your post would change from dull to interesting if you did that. Thank you.

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Does it really matter who is in charge? According to todays IT ” the Catholic Church would encourage parishes to obey the State rules”. Encourage! How about Ranelagh where despite State rules there is an organist and at least 6 singers when the Diocese says an organist and one cantor.

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Ciaran o Carroll & Donal Roach new Episcopal Vicars. Clonliffe clear out of clergy….Adm in Pro leading the Symod for Dublin (as if he is a listener!) more change soon apparently….

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Once again, Pat, your blog and your liberal moderation policy provide the perfect setting for RCs to show exactly what they’re made of. Today we see abuse of other commenters, a queeny bitchy atmosphere redolent of the seminary, abuse and imputation of bad motives to a woman hurt by one of the clerical fraternity, and it goes on and on….
They actually never learn do they?

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Aww! You’re a doting Irish mother who’d want all her sons made special by becoming priests and models of sexual purity.

Bless.😍

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The only baby you’d be guaranteed to have by sex with a priest is a little sex offender.

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Anonymous 3.23
Some people like good debates…
Some people can’t handle debates…
Some get heated….
Doesn’t the church spend a lot of time and energy banning/silencing and covering up all public /media regarding corruption, because god forbid anyone spews heresay. there is nowhere for people to express/vent their views.
If Internet/ blogs and cameras were around 50 yrs ago ,there would be a lot less children and people abused and that’s a fact.
Church seats were full, yard was full to the gates when i was a child, now..midweek, church is empty, Sunday Mass can’t even fill the church, there’s a lot people in society that would disagree with you, apart from the 20 attendees that go to mass.
If clergy were behaving themselves they wouldn’t get a mention on here.
If your hoping to read comments that massage priests balls you’ve come to the wrong place…
But sure you seem to know best, what would we know….

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Lol you misread my comment completely – I totally agree with everything you say and my comment was about RCs exposing the true nature of what they do when they’re not in church!

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We all know how the priests don’t even believe the religion they preach. But Pachamama has now made an appearance as a monstrance –https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/the-pachamama-as-a-monstrance-guadalajara-mexico?utm_source=top_news&utm_campaign=standard

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About Francis – I have recently finished The Dictator Pope and he says that Francis’s management style is Peronist, right up to saying different things to different people so that they all think he is for them.

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3.40
I have always thought this of Frankie.
I recall reading that he once said of committee meetings (or suchlike) that the best approach was to leave members … confused.
Frankie is juggling, with apparent cynicism, LGBT concerns and the opposition to them of arch-conservatives in his church. However, the Gospel indicates that Jesus’ style was remarkably similar to Frankie’s: Let him among you who is without sin…; render to Ceasar the things that are Ceasar’s. No one’s position in either case here was fully vindicated; but everyone must have felt a winner.

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3.49
So you, and your ‘many’ (the word here suggests a certain triumphalism on your part) colleagues, ‘share a disdain for the Machiavellian machinations of church power’? Oh, how pompous and pretentious of you to say as much!
I can imagine that disdain, and its semi-intellectual expression, as you, and those ‘many’, gather for a quiet, polite symposium and each try to outdo the others in feigned affrontery as you murmur total and resolute abhorrence at these ‘machinations’, while you sip wine in-between sentences and reach for the nibbles.
You disgust me, you self-whining priest!
Words are cheap.
What have you, and the ‘many’, actually done, OPENLY, to protest the crimes and depravity you politely call ‘machinations’?
SFA, you moral cowards!

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4.47: The Whore of Babylon is spouting all her angst for nothing. She’s fecking fuming that she was flipped out of the seminary. She ripped her knickers in half with fury at being frigmarched out the gates! The ignominy of it was the best laugh for the students as they watched miss pussy face cry….like a baby!! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😢😢😢😢…and she’s still bawling.

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3.23: There is only a tiny fraction of clerics who behave abusively on this blog. I know many of my colleagues actually agree with much of Pat’s analysis. We share a disdain for the Machiavellian machinations of church power. There are some excellent comments from some clerics but they literally get spat at for daring to have an opinion. The “bitchy” ones do exist, sadly, mostly malcontents and psychologically maladjusted. We also have comments from those who have abandoned religious faith, especially as espoused by the Catholic Church. It is not fair to apportion your stereotype to the majority of clerics. I would guess that a significant number of commenters are non clerics, former clerics, seminarians and former seminarians. All debate, if meant to stimulate real debate about church renewal, should be one of respect and tolerance, even when “the truth is painful and unpalatable”…Gratuitous insulting and abusive narratives should not be tolerated.

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If your analysis is true, perhaps you should preach at your congregation about online behaviour!
Many a priest who comments here is well entrenched in his privilege and at best reluctant to listen to anyone else. For example we have the one who repeatedly claims he understands clerical sexual abuse and nobody can tell him anything about it!
If priests perceive they are being ‘spat at’ here, well frankly it will do them good to get their accustomed experience of being deferred to! For example there is a comment above saying this blog is for priests!
I bet you don’t have anything to say about that.
If priests want a comfortable unchallenging internet forum if they have any sense they won’t look for it on Pat Buckley’s blog. But I don’t think they do – they really come here to try to sabotage Pat’s work and defend the right of the church.
Don’t you, ‘father’!

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3.00: Hi Magna or a clone: as per usual, this is a rewriting of my comment. Let me restate my view. Many priests, like myself, do not treat people with any disdain or contempt. We treat people with respect, care and kindness. We know only too well that a past approach by clerics and the Church institution has profoundly hurt and abused many. That we find reprehensible. Those of us who care about parishes and parishioners have engaged in meaningful dialogue with parishioners, with much success. But you never want to acknowledge any genuine efforts by many clerics to work with parishioners in meaningful ways, recognising their gifts and talents and affirming their role as baptised people of God. Many of us do listen and care. Pat’s blog provides a necessary forum for all of us and while I do not agree with some of his narratives, he does challenge the status quo and speaks the truth with conviction. That has hugely challenged all of us. I certainly wouldn’t attempt to silence any critic but I will argue when insulted and offended, as you are prone to doing with every cleric who comments. As a child and teenager I witnessed the deference of people towards priests. Never approved of such behaviour and never, ever expect any such nonsense. Try to at least believe some of us do really care.

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I wasn’t rewriting your comment, I was TELLING you what I think of your comment.
You have proved me right by your answer.
Now you may whinge that I’m not being fair to you, but that is a good sign because it is a sign that you are finally getting the message. The message is that outside of your hoodwinked flock, nobody is interested in what you have to say. Nobody respects the power you and your church have had and which you have abused.
What you stand for to me is abuse, corruption and criminality and if you don’t like that, guess what I don’t care.
And you know what? Your church has put itself outside of the international community by its total failure to police itself and engage with any external body at all. So what is coming you will hate much more than this conversation with me, you will see bishops imprisoned, clergy quite possibly tagged and refusal to recognise your church’s criminal micro statelet in any way.
But you’re not listening are you?

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‘It is not fair to apportion your stereotype to the majority of clerics.’
The beginning of your comment describes Magna’s description of priests perfectly – wastrels content to live off donations but not actually doing anything that might disturb your comfort. You’re disgusting.

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Begorrah! They’ve wallpapered that door in Francis’ study, too. An unforgivable interior design faux pas.

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Very funny comments today, Pat. The priests really aren’t doing very well are they!
If someone says he’s stopped going to mass there is do little concern they all have to leap in the comments to express it!
And every time someone says he’s stopped going to mass a cathbot tells him he’s cynical. If the people who don’t go to mass are cynical the ones who do go must be naive!
And every time anyone questions a priest they start wailing. What must they be like when the law catches up with them and they have to go to prison? Apparently Lawrence Soper pretended he was having a break down.

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Paul Bayes, the Anglican Bishop of Liverpool, has “retired” after only 8 years.
Of course, this has nothing to do with Canon Paul Nener and his “disappearing” from Liverpool Anglican Diocese in September 2018 after it transpired Nener had lies and there was indeed evidence… ‘Oh no, daarling!
You know you drive me crazy, daarling!’
– “The feeling is mutual, now please take your hand off of my inner thigh! 🤢
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https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/bishop-liverpool-paul-bayes-announces-20953321

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Pope Francis betrayed two brother Jesuits to Junta in Argentina – they were serving the poor, he believed them to be Marxists. They were tortured.
Pope Francis has repeatedly covered up child abuse and protected clerical sexual predators – deaf school in Argentina.
Pope Francis – not unlike Paul Vi with Calvi and Sidonna, surrounds himself with clerics who are compromised, Battista Rica a classic case and then puts them in positions of financial responsibility.
Pope Francis left hand doesn’t know what the right is doing – he is as much part of the problem as he is of the solution.
There is something deeply rotten and stinking in the heart of Denmark (the Vatican)
Oh and Elsie was ordained a bishop by one of the Roman Catholic Churches biggest crooks and con artists (an active homosexual to boot).
I could go on…I’m afraid and don’t even get me started on the rape and murder of children – hey their burning down churches in Canada.

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Laurence Soper was the Abbot on the Run whose now in a cell he didn’t reckon on – when he was on the run the clergy kept saying he was dead, they meant they wished her was, oh what secrets he could tell and no doubt financially supported by the OSB’s and their half a billion quid tucked away

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Nice of the Bishop to send in another Ger, who will also be he’s personal secretary living in cloghleigh!

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This Ger will be as useful as a chocolate teapot to the people of Cloughleigh. Conservative and not known for his intelligence. The perfect Bishop’s Secretary 😂

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Fed to the wolves…
Sounds like quite the opposite of the last one, maybe that’s why he has been specifically chosen for this project ! 😆
Be hard for the old one to be sneaking in and out of cloghleigh after hours with the new one there, reporting to fintan daily as he’s trusted secretary ! 😁

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Are we meant to read your contribution as if it offers any helpful information at all? Please refrain from close to meaningless phrases. Add detail and make sense. Thank you.

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Having a great laugh at the same auld eejit who keeps commenting today against the cathbots and priests. It’s obvious he’s rattled by them. Saddo.

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8.25pm Truth be told it’s you that needs to be kept away from children. People like you usually project on to others, don’t worry we understand.

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Halfway through and you haven’t had to look very far for scandals this year, Bp Pat. Let’s hope the next six months are equally prolific.

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