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TEN PEOPLE CHARGED AS VATICAN CLOSES INVESTIGATION INTO LONDON PROPERTY SCANDAL.

Brülhart, Msgr Carlino, Crasso, Di Ruzza, Marogna, Mincione, Squillace, Tirabassi, Torzi, and Cardinal Becciu will be brought to trial following investigations into London property deal.

Becciu


By Vatican News

The long and complex investigation carried out by Promoter of Justice Gian Piero Milano, Adjunct Alessandro Diddi and by Gianluca Perrone followed from an inquiry undertaken by the Vatican Gendarmeria led by Commander Gianluca Gauzzi Broccoletti. The probe led to the examination of an enormous number of documents, electronic equipment sequestered from the suspects, as well as the comparison of witness testimony. The president of Vatican City State’s Tribunal, Giuseppe Pignatone, has ordered the subpoena of ten people after receiving the request presented by the Office of the Promoter of Justice, referred to in the Holy See Press Office’s statement. The first phase of the investigation ends with this summons. Now the documentation gathered will be examined by the Tribunal during the public debate involving both the prosecution and the defense. The first hearing is scheduled for 27 July.

Mon Carlino


The following persons will be going to trial: René Brülhart (former president of AIF), who is charged with the crime of abuse of office; Msgr Mauro Carlino (former secretary of the Substitute of the Secretariat of State), charged with extortion and abuse of office; Enrico Crasso (financial broker who managed investments for the Secretariat of State for decades) is charged with the crimes of embezzlement, corruption, extortion, money laundering and self-laundering, fraud, abuse of office, materially falsifying public deeds committed privately, and falsifying internal agreements; Tommaso Di Ruzza (former director of AIF, Supervisory and Financial Information Authority) is being charged with embezzlement, and violating confidentiality; Cecilia Marogna (a woman who received considerable sums from the Secretariat of State for intelligence services) is being charged with extortion; Raffaele Mincione (financial broker who allegedly made the Secretariat of State underwrite large shares of the fund that owned the London property at 60 Sloan Avenue, and who then used that money for his own speculative investments) is being charged with embezzlement, fraud, abuse of office, appropriation and money laundering; Nicola Squillace (a lawyer involved in the negotiations) is being charged with fraud, appropriation, money laundering and self-laundering; Fabrizio Tirabassi (employed as a notetaker in the Administrative Office of the Secretariat of State, who allegedly played a leading role in the matter) is charged with corruption, extortion, embezzlement, fraud and abuse of office; Gianluigi Torzi (the broker called to help the Holy See get out of the fund owned by Mincione, and who succeeded in liquidating a total of 15 million so the property could return to its legitimate owners) is being accused of extortion, embezzlement, fraud, appropriation, money laundering and self-laundering.


Some elements also emerged against Cardinal Angelo Becciu, reads the statement from the Holy See Press Office. In his case, charges include embezzlement, abuse of office in complicity with others, and subornation.

2019 investigation


The press statement confirms that the investigation got underway in July 2019 after the Istituto per le Opere di Religione [commonly known as the Vatican Bank] and the Auditor General’s Office reported that “there was complete collaboration between the Office of the Promoter and the Judicial Police section of the Gendarmerie Corps. Preliminary activities were also carried out through close and productive collaboration with the Prosecutor’s Office in Rome and the Economic and Financial Police Unit (G.I.C.E.F.) of the Guardia di Finanza in Rome. Cooperation between the Prosecutor’s Office of Milan, Bari, Trent, Cagliari and Sassari and their respective judicial police offices was also appreciated.”

“Initial activities carried out with rogatorial commissions in numerous foreign countries (United Arab Emirates, Great Britain, Jersey, Luxembourg, Slovenia, Switzerland) brought to light a vast web of relationships with operators in the financial markets that generated substantial losses for Vatican finances which also drew from those resources destined for the Holy Father’s personal acts of charity.”


“The judicial process,” the statement emphasizes, “is directly connected to the directives and reforms” of Pope Francis, “in his work of transparency and remediation of Vatican finances, a work that, according to the hypothesis of the prosecution, was countered by illicit and detrimental speculative activities on a reputational level in the terms indicated in the request to press charges.”


Mincione’s investment fund


A primary and important chapter in the investigation concerns the Secretariat of State’s investment in Raffale Mincione’s Athena Capital Global Opportunities Fund operative between June 2013 and February 2014. The Secretariat of State borrowed 200 million dollars from Credit Suisse to invest in Mincione’s fund (100 million in movable goods, 100 million in immovable goods related to the property in London). The high-risk investment brought a serious loss to the Holy See. By 30 September 2018, 18 million euro of the initial investment were lost on these shares. The overall loss, however, is estimated to be a much larger amount. Mincione used the Vatican’s money in imprudent transactions and in attempts to take over banking institutions in crisis. Before such disastrous results, the Secretariat of State tried to get out of the investment by purchasing the property.

Torzi and extorsion enter the picture
Provided in the transaction was the payment of 40 million pounds by the Secretariat of State to Mincione in exchange for his shares. To this end, the Secretariat of State decided to entrust the transaction to another broker, Gianluigi Torzi, who later succeeded in maintaining control for himself, circumventing the Holy See, allegedly thanks to internal complicity.

From the documentation produced by the Vatican magistrates, it appears that Mincione and Torzi were actually in agreement to execute the transaction with the Secretariat of State. The Vatican Magistrates indicate that Enrico Crasso and Fabrizio Tirabassi were two key figures.

They believe they may have obtained commissions from Mincione and cash payments from Torzi for bringing him into the Vatican. Thanks to internal complicity, Torzi managed to get a Share Purchase Agreement signed that removed control of the London property from the Secretariat of State. He did this by creating 1,000 shares in GUTT SA but granted voting rights only to these shares he held. Meanwhile, the other 30,00 shares owned by the Secretariat of State did not carry the right to vote. Thus, the Secretariat of State found itself with another broker in the Vatican who solely possessed the power to make decisions.

Officials deceived


The Vatican magistrates hold that “neither Msgr. Perlasca, who signed the Share Purchase Agreement, nor his Superiors, the Substitute Edgar Peña Parra, and above all Cardinal Pietro Parolin had been effectively informed to be fully aware of the juridical effects that the different categories of actions would cause.” The Substitute’s signature, necessary to conclude the agreement because he holds power of attorney, was obtained after the fact and without the superiors being made aware of the “tactic” that allowed Torzi to maintain control of everything. To obtain control over the property, and force Torzi out of the picture, 15 million euro was extorted from the Secretariat of State through payments to the broker for irregular reasons, thanks to the internal complicity of the suspects against whom indictments have been requested.

Cardinal Becciu


The Cardinal, former Subsitute of the Secretariat of State, did not become a suspect immediately. He became involved because the magistrates accused him of “interference” and allege that he was behind the offers to acquire the building that emerged suddenly at the end of May 2020, just a few days prior to the interrogation of Torzi.

According to testimony, Cardinal Becciu also tried to get Perlasca to recant. Payments made by the Secretariat of State to Cecilia Marogna at Becciu’s request were added to the investigation. Between 20 December 2018 and 11 July 2019, the company she owned received payments made by the Secretariat of State for 575,000 euro. A letter rogatory allowed the investigation to ascertain that this sum “was mostly used to make purchases that were not compatible, and therefore, unjustifiable, with the corporate purpose of the company.”

In the end, the magistrates contend that Becciu financed his brother Antonino’s cooperative with 600,000 euro that came from the funds belonging to the Italian Bishops’ Conference and 225,000 euro that came from funds belonging to the Secretariat of State. The donations were allegedly “used for purposes other than the charitable purposes for which they were intended.”

PAT SAYS

This is a very damning report into corruption in the Vatican and its global financial dealings.

Some very senior figures, including a cardinal are castigated and are to face charges.

A great deal of money, originally given by loyal Catholics found its eas into the dark, deep pockets of Roman clergy, their families and contacts.

There is one great lesson:

DONT GIVE ANY MONEY TO ANYONE OR ANYTHING WITH THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.

NORTHAMPTON CLERICAL CHANGES

This blog has a special place in its heart for Northampton diocese and it’s ex Oscott bishop David Oakley.

OAKLEY’S FIRST APPOINTMENTS:

Bishop David has announced the first set of clergy moves since his appointment as Bishop in March 2020.

Fr Andy Ollard is appointed Parish Priest to St Bernardine of Siena at Buckingham, with a brief also to reach out to the students in the neighbouring University.

Fr Roy Karakkattu, MSFS is appointed Priest in Charge to Our Lady of Perpetual Succour at Chesham Bois and also at St Aidan’s, Little Chalfont.

Fr David Donaghue is appointed to the Cathedral hub of parishes, which now comprises of the Cathedral, Kingsthorpe, East Hunsbury and Towcester. His principal ministry will be with Mission Northampton as we seek to develop models and best practice in evangelisation.

We welcome Fr Ebin Thomas to the Diocese, a priest belonging to the Syro-Malabar Eparchy. Fr Ebin is appointed Assistant Priest at St Edward’s, Kettering, and will have a particular ministry with the Syro-Malabar community.

Canon John Udris is returning to the diocese following 10 years as a spiritual director at Oscott Seminary. He is appointed Parish Priest of St Peter’s, Marlow.

Canon Brendan Killeen is appointed Parish Priest of The Sacred Heart, Weston Favell and Our Lady of Perpetual Succour, Great Billing.

Fr Jerry Manomey is appointed Priest in Charge to Sacred Heart, Flitwick.

Fr Pius Amoako is appointed Parish Priest of St Paul’s, Thrapston, St Thomas More, Raunds and The Most Holy Name of Jesus, Oundle.

Fr James Evans is appointed Priest in Charge at St Thomas More, Towcester. This appointment is in addition to his responsibilities as Bishop’s Secretary.

Fr Andrew Coy is appointed Assistant Priest to the Cathedral.

We welcome Fr Martin McDonald OCD back to the Diocese. He returns to Gerrards Cross where he will be Parish Priest.

Fr Ken Payne is stepping down as Parish Priest in Little Chalfont and will continue to live in the presbytery there for the time being.

Fr Michael Turner will be retiring as parish priest of St Peters in Marlow.

An Oscott pal of Oakley’s – Canon John Udris (pronounced “Uterus” by Oscott seminarians) is being sent to the “plumb” parish of Marlow near Henly on Thames and isvalso being appointed “amicus clero ( the priest’s friend 😁 ) by Oakley.

Canon “Uterus”

Jobs for the boys 😬

EARLY DUBLIN APPOINTMENTS

News from the Archdiocese of Dublin.

Fr. Paul Callan is going on sabbatical.

The three new VGs are:

a)Fr. Gareth Byrne, lately of Mater Dei, DCU;

b)Fr. Ciaran O’Carroll, newly appointed as PP as opposed to Administrator of Donnybrook Parish, who has relinquished the office of Vicar for Clergy to Fr. Eoin Thynne; and,


c )Fr. Donal Roche.

Majority of appointments in September.

GROWING ON MY GARDEN WALL

120 replies on “TEN PEOPLE CHARGED AS VATICAN CLOSES INVESTIGATION INTO LONDON PROPERTY SCANDAL.”

Pat, I read the story earlier yesterday about financial corruption. Awful corruption. It is wrong to suggest or intimate in any way that money given for parishes is misappropriated or that it is given for such criminal enterprises. All money given to parishes are recorded and accounted for and stay in parishes. The Vatican financial scandals are morally disgusting. Incidentally all Dublin appointments are listed and have been forwarded to priests. All changes effective
from end of August. Nothing very surprising. The coloured leaf is magnificent. There’s a poem waiting to be written..

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Some bishops are bringing in their own people in other dioceses and they are YES men.

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Well appointing him as Vicar for Clergy was an absolute laugh. He’d just be DM’s Hangman. well rid of him., well rid of them both in fact.

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If the truth about Ledwith and the subsequent cover-up by Maynooth and his cousin Farrell ever breaks, it will be the end of Dermot’s Farrell’s career.
It must be painful for Ledwith’s victims to watch the assent of Farrell – a key player in the college fiasco.

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1.32
Unfortunately for you, in a civilized society one is not guilty by association.

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Uterus has come along way since his Corby days as a young curate bombing around in a shite brown Ford Capri and leather jacket…

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The late deacon Michael Parsloe of Kettering had a take on why Udris left that parish for further studies in Rome….

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Wow re mother Burke on St Louis Church re yesterday poster on 7.11pm
He was trying to sell a church property that was funded by Polish parishioners.
That priest was similar to +Pat buckley re views. He got himself excommunicated along with 5 other laity members.

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Richard was at St Catherine’s on the Bristol Road, on the edge of the Gay Village, and took his “chaplaincy” to the gay community very seriously – before he was moved on when historic accusations were made against him. He was one of the first group of anti-women priest ex Anglicans to come over, and was received enthusiastically by Couve de Murville, who used to talk about the new spring of the Catholic Church in England. What a load of tosh ! At the same time, Maurice and Dan Leonard were holding back a deluge of abuse shit, and doing everything they could to keep things quiet, but eventually realised that it was going to overwhelm them. Couve got out early to retirement, and so was able to avoid too much personal accountability. He wouldn’t have been so lucky these days, and something like IICSA would have chewed him up and spat him out. Rather like they did with Nichols.

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Dan Leonard took the abuser priests to Birmingham Airport and made sure they got on a plane.

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Udris was a yes man during my time at Oscott. Smarmy character and you were often left wondering if he was taking stories to Oakley. Why was he out of his diocese for 10 years?

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If Udris was the spiritual director he would have had privileged and confidential access to seminarians and their lives, with the expectation that by speaking to him they could / should be assured of confidentiality. If Udris was passing on stuff about seminarians that he had been told in this forum, then he really should be ashamed of himself. It is another example of how mickey mouse is the quality and integrity of staff in our seminaries, not to mention the appalling lack of any structures that assure quality, dignity, fairness and confidentiality. They make it up as they go along, and do whatever they want to do, with no constraints but with huge damage to those that they are supposed to be forming.

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Any news Pat about the Northampton Priests have a break at Her Majesty’s pleasure ?

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These Vatican officials are priests of the supposed One Holy Catholic Church. This church professes to teach and guide us in what is Godly approved morally correct behaviour. These RCC clerics are held up to us as exemplars of good behaviour that we might emulate their example of high moral standards and propriety. So , to come to the point: what’s up?
Perhaps while referencing Shakespeare ‘s Marcellus in Hamlet: ” Something is rotten in the state of Denmark” one might also refer to the corrupt and cancerous cesspool that is the Vatican state, and the behaviour of its eminent priestly officials.
And if these allegations prove justified, what does it tell us about the faith and religious priorities of these supposed exemplars of the “One True Holy Catholic Faith?”
My view is that the Vatican state’s independence should be ceased with it, and its powers and privilege, all aligned with the rest of Italy, and subject to Italian and European legislation.
It will inevitably happen, and the sooner the better.
MMM

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Ciaran backstabbed Michael Byrne. Byrne tried to make a deal Ciaran by supplying him with names of Clergy and Seminarians who are part of an underground sex abuse Network. Byrne supplied Three Irish Bishop Names, one defrocked American Cardinal, Irish, English and Spanish Seminarians and two members of Maynooth Seminary Council. Ciaran will use the info for his career progression.

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Fr. Paul Callan is going on “sabbatical”.
Should we read anything into this, Bp Pat? I wonder.

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7.56: You shouldn’t read anything into this statement ither than what it is. After years with Archbishop Martin, Paul just needs to recollect himself for a new ministry on return. Stop always suggesting, by innuendo, sinister motivations or reasons for a priest to take time out for a sabatical. Every good wish to Paul: one of the more amenable and pleasant guys around.

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Talking about clergy moves, was the mention yesterday of Etienne’s move further north and to become an assistant priest in Lancaster Diocese true ? If so, about time that the bishop took note of this man’s self-centred, self-important and arrogant behaviour, in which he has succeeded in alienating so many people. Maybe now he might learn a little humility and respect for others. I know there is a dearth of clergy, and bishops have to scrape the bottom of the barrel these days in trying to find parish priests, but there is no excuse for allowing someone like Etienne to be given a position of influence and authority to be inflicted on people. By the way, is there a message in Peter Littleton’s of Southwark move to be an assistant yet again ? Surely he should be moving on to his own patch ? Maybe there are questions as to his suitability for parish leadership and what he might do with his rigourist and overly orthodox theology and liturgical style. He comes across as a very immature young man. My nose tells me that all is not right there.

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The church takes 7+ years to decide if someone is suitable and still manages to get it wrong so often, it’s remarkable.
Employers take at most a couple of days and if any employer made such a balls up of it they’d be out of business.

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@10:03: business customers normally have freedom of choice.
In the business of religion, the customers are bred from infancy to believe that they only have one choice, and are especially privileged in that. It’s drilled into them that their shopkeeper gives them a special deal of goods superior to others shoddy imitations.
So all you miseryguts complainers: Shaddup and Buy up!
The snake oil salesmen will happily supply you.
Get your money out: NOW!

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Sorry, after much prayerful discernment I have concluded that this snake oil is fake!

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4th July bulletin from Carlisle parishes: ” CLERGY MOVES: Fr Hawksworth who has been with us for the last few months has been appointed to St Joseph’s, Preston and will take up his appointment in mid-August. Fr Loughran also has received a new appointment to Blackpool beginning in September. Fr Etienne will be taking up an appointment here in September. “

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Fr Etienne has not announced his departure in his own parish newsletter this weekend. However, he has mentioned a legacy and that parents cannot arrange baptisms via a third party, but should be regular Mass-goers and speak to him afterwards.

It’s not clear if Fr Loughran will be a direct replacement in South Blackpool or going to another parish in the town.

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No problem co operating with the authorities when there is money involved, and no moving the accused around either! 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

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+Pat I see Paul Cullen was moved from Clonliffe to St. Mary’s. RIP. The protected structure can now be demolished I suppose?

There’s a video on the diocese website.

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To me that demonstrates that the church are more interested in financial wrong doings over real problems such as child abuse. They don’t seem to be so fast to make indictments then.

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Quick enough to act when it hits their pockets, still doing nothing about the global murders and child abuse, toxic cult.

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Shows you where their priorities are, don’t take our money, but by all means do what ever else satisfies your perverse desires.

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Goes to show you they will use the legal system for something important. Child abuse can be handled internally of course…

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Touch children and your ok. Touch their money and you are gone and no secret agreement needed. Amazing.

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Actions speak louder than words and this just shows what the church really values. Incidentally I’ve just seen that the tradisphere has been in convulsions because Elsie appointed a Westminster priest who is pro-choice and pro gay marriage, and uses the old translation of the missal, to Alice Hall, before doing a u-turn.
The priest makes Pat look like Archbishop Lefebvre.

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Lancaster: Yes. The Bishop has asked Fr Etienne to leaving his Parochial Administrator role in Blackpool to be Assistant in Carlisle from first weekend in September under the leadership of Canon Ruscillo. He is being replaced by Fr Chris Loughran. No decision yet about Fr Robert Billing who is currently living with Fr E in Blackpool whilst on a sabbatical doing a distance learning Doctorate in Canon law. He has lived there since Bishop Campbell retired. The new man may not want that. Fr John Millar also leaving the Diocese to join the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest. I wonder if Fr Etienne will look at that option too. Anyway, pray for all of them and pray for more Priests. God bless.

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A chunk of that sort of cash would bail Dermot Farrell out of the financial mess that Covid and Coddle left him in. 🤑🤑🤑

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Not Canon Nener and the referrals with MASH 'Multi Agency Safeguarding Hub' - it's an "establishment" thing... it's an "Anglican" thing... it's a vile thing! xsays:

Is Canon Paul Nener is a psychopath?
Is Paul Bayes a cover up merchant, like The Romans?
What will the report say, people? Will II@SA really “out” corrupt kangaroo Courts?
( How very uncivil… 🤢 )
Keep tuned and find out, people…

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Canon Paul Nener is an excellent pastor and you, my friend, are in serious need of psychological help. This hateful campaign has to stop!

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Why what’s Paul Nener done now? Is he in more trouble? Why’s Paul Bayes retiring?
The BBC website says
“Bishop Bayes said he was looking to contribute to the Church of England “in a different way” and wanted to spend “more time in prayer, reflection and stillness in resting and writing and reading and thinking”…
The Church of England has been contacted for comment.”
What on earth does he need to reflect on in stillness an prayer?
It seems a little strange!
I wonder if it has anything with Canon Paul Nener’s “behaviour” and “activities”?

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@11.25pm Deacon Michael Parsloe RIP did indeed have the info on why John Udris was sent to Rome from Kettering. All smiles and no depth that fella. Big on St Therese of Lisieux and Chesterton. Don’t count on him for sticking up for you. I wonder why Oakley wants him to be the friend of clergy. More stories to be carried back no doubt to Oakley. Him and Oakley were thick as thieves at Oscott. No surprise he has been called back by Oakley from Oscott and rewarded with one of the best parishes in the diocese.

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It’s very interesting to see that eventually all the news and truth comes out. There’s evidently a story to be told about Udris and his antics in his early years, little heard, but snippets coming to the surface now. Oh dear, how many priests must be wondering when their past peccadillos will come out ? All this moving on and about, and they think that they have survived that little embarrassment and off they go to a new place, with a new story, and then suddenly a little mention on here and it’s all out in the open again. They only have themselves to blame. For so many priests, life is a lie, they live parallel lives and try to keep them hermetically sealed and separate. But it doesn’t work. It catches up with them. Until priesthood is a way of life where people can be honest and open to themselves and about themselves, there will alway be duplicity and lies and coverup, and the toxic residue it leaves which ruins the lives of the priests themselves and those around them. Priesthood can only work in a culture of openness, transparency and honesty. That is not the way priesthood is lived these days. And, as a result we have all these priests with histories and stories which they would prefer to keep quiet, and constantly worry about coming out one day. Sad life.

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Pat Buckley, I know you are not a fan of Bishop Oakley but he is a by product of Cove de Murville and further nurtured by Vinny Nichols.

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Elsie has a lot to answer for in the present bishop appountments in England & Wales plus the future. They are Elsie tainted.

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Does anybody know about priests in Bristol cathedral (Catholic). Way back I made a stopover there for few days I went to mass as I thought I saw a fag priest there pretending to be holy and pious. He looked like one.
What’s the point being a Catholic when there is huge element of financial irregularities, fraud, sex abuses scandals, double /secret lives of priests, homosexuality in seminaries, good men gone from there, as I could go on.
Not attended Mass since May lockdown reopened. Considering Eastern orthodox or Lutherans just saying 😉🤣

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You probably encountered former Norbertine priest, Fr Rupert Allan from Bristol University Chaplaincy.

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Anon 2.57pm

Thanks Cos had seen a photo of him which isn’t the face that I had seen inside Bristol clifton cathedral.

Almost went there where he works as its Latin Mass so I heard. So I went to St Mary’s on the Quay which was bit better than clifton cathedral. Cis no time for a long winded sermon. If priest goes on and on. I recall a priest off wall street in NYC, wasn’t happy that I left during his so long sermon. I went off to a pub nearby for a needed pint to calm down impatience.

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Deaf guy, I was on holiday in Budapest on the Feast of the Assumption. We joined many locals on their lunch break in the city centre for Mass at a Franciscan church. The homily went on for more than 45 minutes! People were walking out. An English guy standing at the back shouted “Come on! Hurry up!”

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@3:57 Clifton has a very sensible man as the Dean. Masses there are thoroughly sensible, proper, and good. Bristol University Chaplaincy has succeeded in alienating all good catholic students in the area and has become a right-wing latin mass chaplaincy to the tweed and Latin brigade. Normal Catholic students attend the cathedral for mass.

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Anon 5.50pm

Fair play to that man who said ‘hurry up’ 👏👏👏. Have no patience for very long mass myself. I used to look out for a quickie mass with no sermon within 20-30mins. Then I’m off.

Anon at 5. 52pm

Thanks re your explanation. Clifton cathedral gave me some creep but St Mary’s on the Quay was comfortable.

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The Lutheran ladies make the best chocolate cake, but that was not enough to make me a follower of Martin.
The Orthodox Church is what the Vatican II Cult used to be, but She has Her problems, and be warned that one should not expect perfect felicity. The liturgy is lovely, but I do like the fellowship with the Greeks, Russians, Romanians, Arabs and others. They may not have the best chocolate cake but they offer many other delectables.
I do miss the Latin, but I saw a video from Bologna depicting the Russian Liturgy in Latin. So there is hope.

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Hughie Connolly is looking well on LinkedIn. The new Phillipino boyfriend has took the anxiety and stress from our Hughie. 🏳️‍🌈👄

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Question from an ignorant layman: was St Peter ordained by Jesus? And if ordained when and into what – the priesthood or the papacy?
To my v poor knowledge Jesus doesn’t refer to priesthood in the Gospels other than his own I guess (High Priestky prayer John 17).

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Peter and the other 11 were made APOSTLES. Apostles were not generally attached to one community. They were for the whole church and generally were not “overseeers” ( bishops) of particular churches. The exception was John who was the overseer/bishop in Antioch.

There is nothing in the New Testament to say Peter was in Rome and certainly nothing to say he was the first bishop of Rome and the first pope.

The early church developed various ninisteries.

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I feel sorry for anyone, priest or lay who believe in privacy and confidentiality either in the confessional or professionally. Anything Udris learns (confessional or otherwise) goes right back to Oakley and other gossipy clerical queens. They can’t help themselves and are good at feigning that they would rather die than reveal the secret of the confessional or something said in confidence. It’s the biggest con in their playbook and woe betide you if it’s something juicy and sexual then it’s a sure bet the secret will do the rounds!!
Martin Hayes similar role in Westminster – not sure who does this in Birmingham but guaranteed to be a complete con – pour your heart out, get it off your chest, spill your beans and then watch it do the rounds. Chinese whispers, if I tell you promise you won’t tell anybody else etc.
Let’s all wise up and get real – they can’t be trusted to safeguard a child do you honestly think they can safeguard a secret?

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Why do you think Oakley has appointed Udris to be a priests ear after doing just that to the ex sems of Oscott?

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1.29
Orders – bishop, deacon, elder/presbyter/priest took centuries to reach the arrangement we gave now. The last one of these (presbyter) is used of groups in the NT rather than of an individual. Research is still needed and on-going.

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Martin Hayes in Westminster is big boozy pals with Jim Curry. They decide clergy changes over booze but Vinny is too clever and watches everyone like a hawk.

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And Jesus he knows me
And he knows I’m right
I’ve been talking to Jesus all my life
Oh yes he knows me
And he knows I’m right
Well he’s been telling me
Everything’s gonna be alright

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2.49pm
Thanks Bishop Pat that’s v helpful – in the Wikipedia entry for St Peter it says that he was ‘ordained’ by Jesus, and when I think of ordination I think ordained a priest or bishop but maybe the word ordained isn’t correct as can’t imagine Jesus ordaining anyone but certainly made apostles but not priests.
Wow I never thought Peter wasn’t in Rome – Paul yes but he travelled and Luke records missionary journeys etc.
Jeez if Peter never left Rome then he wasn’t martyred there and isn’t buried under St Peter’s!! Mother of Mary I’m going to have to read and study some more as am cradle Catholic but the child abuse and so many scandals are making me question and think a bit more for myself!!

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Anon@3:17: I wish you good luck in examining and comparing :
The alleged history of the RCC as it “would have us believe “, and which it promotes, and more
independent objective accounts of the RCC, and assessments of its relevance.
Perhaps you may well come to realise just how completely naive and misplaced it is to have any belief in the veracity of those spoon-fed religious matters which permeated and shaped your early years. An understanding of emotional and psychological imperatives, brainwashing indoctrination in effect, is most helpful in this respect.
Bon voyage.
MMM

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6.08: MMM: We have to wonder about your atheistic indoctrination because most of your commentary on this blog indicates that, at its core, atheism (in your case) engenders only cynical, dismissive, intolerable, distespectful and condescending cheap shots at religious beliefs, particularly Catholicism. If you’ve deserted your once religious beliefs and denomination, just move on. Your frequent repeat narratives of anti religious sentiment is tiresome. Like Magna, you seem stuck on same Chapter…repetition ad nauseam.

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6.47
Repetition? 🤔
Your corrupt church does repitition exceedingly well indeed: child abuse, child-abuse cover-up, financial fraud, etc. 😀

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Anon@6:47 (?and others your presumptious “we” might refer to?)
You really don’t like your religious beliefs questioned, do you? Instead of proudly defending them with lucid and relevant explanation you simply regress to ad hominem comments. You obviously don’t understand let alone accept, that atheism rightly questions the origins and validity of religious beliefs, especially the RCC ‘s arcane and weird theology. Is it the search for truth you object to?
Wonder away fella.
MMM

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Just looked at the Northampton diocese websitie. Jesus, have you seen who they made Chancellor, Fr Brendan Seery ffs.

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@ 7.16pm. We all know about Fr. Seery…? I don’t, and I am sure many others don’t. Whatever about any bromance, I can say, categorically from my experience of those who attend/ed KU Leuven, that their course is most stringent for full time students and distance learning students alike; they don’t let anyone off the hook. I suspect ulterior motives and agendas for your comments which says more about you than about him.

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Bishop Francis Thomas was the last good Bishop of Northampton. His successors have been lacking.

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Bishop Francis Thomas was a nice gentle Bishop. All his succesors were Brummy cast offs except Peter Doyle who was a kind man.

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More Blackpool news. The heroic Canon Robert (aka Bob the Builder) continues to serve as PP of Sacred Heart in the town centre, after 14 years of ministry there.

The church is in the middle of the resort’s nightlife and the area is known as The Gaza Strip at weekends. I wonder if Fr Etienne from South Blackpool visits Funny Girls there in his lace finery! I wonder how exotic the nightlife is in Carlisle! May be two pubs: The Dog and Duck; and a Wetherspoons.

The parish has issued guidance on its Facebook page that the Shrine church beside the town’s hospital has reopened and is holding “Catholic Masses”. However, these are not Roman Catholic Masses, but Old English ones (but not Anglo-Catholic!). Very confusing. When previously operating as an official RC church, it was dedicated to Our Lady of Lourdes. Are the new owners connected to your Oratory, Bp Pat?

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Let us see the Lancaster moves in full when published. It seems full of bitchy queens wanting to make moves

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I can assure you that all the moves here are happening as per ad clerum received by all clergy and religious on Friday.

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The shrine church in Blackpool is owned by historic buildings trust and they rent it out on a daily rate to anyone for any purpose. In this case a monthly Catholic Mass – Latin, lace and brass until your heart is content and presiders are lay faithful dressing up. Nothing to do with the RCC as the Diocese sold the building years ago. Re Canon Dewhurst. Yes he’s been there a while and is one of a few who can cope with the madness such as people throwing up on his doorstep and shitting in the car park when pubs spill out. He is quite good at dealing with the high volume of druggies and alkies as well and his door is open most days for food and blankets etc.

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Shut up. Lancaster appts not yet revealed. Your Blackpool porn mind is over the top

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Parishioners in a Canadian Divine Renovation Ministry parish were this morning praying for (Fr) James Mackay’s (former PP Royal Docks) new vocation. Not sure if he’s gone into massage, dancing or some form of hospital/prison chaplaincy.

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He’s been in discussions with Bishop Sarah in the Diocese of London. He will have to observe a cooling off period for a year, and then it’s likely he will be received into the CofE at Holy Trinity, Brompton.

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Anonymous at 6.37pm.
You have got yourself in a bit of a muddle. Bishop Sarah is the Anglican bishop pf London. CARDINAL Sarah is not dirt now and has no connection with London. Stay off the grog and do not jump to the wrong conclusions. I note further down that PB has exchanged smiles with the Cardinal in Rome.
It is important to be factual or you lose all credibility.
Garngad Lad

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I had suspected diverticulitis, but small meals and a sachet of Fybogel after breakfast has helped greatly.

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Bishop Buckley, the long serving clergy of Northampton are not happy at all that Udris is being sent to Marlow in September. He has been 10 years away and then helicoptered in to Marlow.

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I would recommend a documentary on YouTube called Queer and Catholic and a book of the same name by Mark Dowd. Very enlightening and interesting .

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