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Fr Paul McNamee

FR PAUL MC NAMEE is still listed as a priest in the directory of Kildare and Leighlin diocese but is a hospital chaplain in California.

2.9.2020

I didnt think sabbaticals lasted for years and included working for other dioceses abroad ?

There is also an entry about him on the Sacramento hospital website.

What I cannot understand is that Irish dioceses who are so short of priests, are importing priests here from India and Africa.

Surely our own Irish priests, living and minstering abroad, should be brought home to minister in our dioceses here?

NEW LINE OF LADIES UNDERWEAR GOES ON SALE IN ENNIS FROM THIS WEEK.

PAT AS LADY BRACKNELL IN THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING ERNEST – ST JOHN’S COLLEGE WATERFORD 1974.

Lady Bracknell

Produced by Dr Tom Marsh.

132 replies on “FATHER PAUL MC NAMEE – KILDARE AND LEIGHLIN.”

Christ, Pat! As Lady Bracknell, I might well have ducked you.
You make a swell-lookin’ dame, so you do.

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10.49: Magna, what you missed in seminary!! You’d have made a greater swell lookin’ dame!! I can just imagine…👜👜👜👜👠👠👠…Lady Magnita Carthage…😁😁😊😂🤣..

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Jaysy, pat…
he’s supporters will be lining up to buy them,… . Tina whelen will be first in the queue creaming themselves…
#godbless #whathansomboy #bring our jerries home 😂😂😂😂

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🎵Stopped into a church
I passed along the way
Well, I got down on my knees (Got down on my knees)
And I pretend to pray (I pretend to pray)
You know the preacher liked the cold (Preacher liked the cold)
He knows I’m gonna stay (Knows I’m gonna stay)
California dreamin’ (California dreamin’)
On such a winter’s day🎶https://youtu.be/N-aK6JnyFmk
California Dreamin’ by AMP and The Mamas & the Papas

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Readers and commenters here might want to comment on that video about what kind of a place Silverstream Priory has turned out to be! Fake piety and malfeasance ought not be rewarded with sales of holy objects.

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done. agree that it should be highlighted. that series of videos and its comments are a complete echo chamber.

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I wonder if it’s all above board, her relocation and subsequent chaplaincy appointment, Bp Pat, or the result of something unexpected and inappropriate or inconvenient. You have accustomed readers to become sceptical about such placements in recent years.

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7.00am: “her location”. How ignorant from an early morning bitch queen!! HIS LOCATION.. At least pretend to be a man with balls, you shithead. And, like all of us, you haven’t a clue about Fr. McNamee. Stay in your slug cave.

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Don’t blame him, Sacramento is beautiful, lots of interesting things to do and see. I still have many happy memories of Grass Valley. It is one of the largest rice producing areas to n the US.

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I bet Father McNamee is having a much better time in Sacramento than he would be having in Kildare and Leighlin ! He will be being paid a great deal more, his conditions of work will be better, his standard of living better, his opportunities for out of work hours activities so much better, pretty much everything will be much better. That’s why he is there. His work and ministry will have a much broader scope than he would have in Ireland; he will be working across faith and denomination boundaries, all-faiths ministry, rather than being shoehorned in to Irish Catholicism. What’s not to like ? I don’t blame him for taking some initiative in his ministry and making choices and decisions about what he will do and where he will do it. Why should he stick around in Ireland and be subject to the arbitrary will and decision making of some inadequate second rate bishop ? He can still be faithful in ministry as well as having his hand on the levers of control of his own life and work. It happens pretty much in any other church that employs clergy. They may use all sorts of euphemisms such as ‘being called’ to particular ministry, but in reality clergy have a big part to play in deciding where they should work and what they should do. Most clergy in other traditions interview for roles and ministries, rather than just being shoved around the chess board by a bishop and sent to a parish without the slightest reference to the parishioners he will be serving. Why don’t they get a say about the priest they have rather than just having to feign gratefulness for being given a priest ? Maybe if the Irish Church had a more mature and sensible approach to clergy use and ministry development, the likes of McNamee and others would still be in Ireland and we wouldn’t be having to import priests from Africa, India and the Philippines.

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There’s always a story with clergy appointments- just like there’s always a story about C/O Bishops House. That story is always wrapped up with sex, money or abuse of power.
Promoted (kicked up stairs) or moved either from parish or country the backstory is from the clerical playbook and points towards secrets and scandal.
Does the truth out? Occasionally the clerical grapevine gives up its secrets mainly they go with them to the grave confident so they are in the clerical omertà.
Of course, from time to time, there may be no scandal or secret but this is the exception not the rule.
One of the reasons I like this blog is that Bishop Pat and some of the contributors are not afraid to ask questions, enquire, scrutinise and put under the Spotlight which is healthy, good and proper.
This much I know – with the Roman Catholic Church nothing is ever as it seems, take nothing at face value and if so inclined ask difficult questions – it will get you nowhere but it really pisses them off.

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Many retired men are C/O Bishop’s House you cynical fool. So it’s not purely because of sex, money or abuse. The blog is full of idiots like you @8.40am quick to jump to your own conclusions. Who are you C/O exactly? Sadly nobody probably.

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10.16
This blogger is not a cynical fool it is YOU.
Bishop have been told by the Authorities and more so the courts and safeguarding to STOP listing everyone c/o Diocesan Offices as that have to STATE Retired Clergy and those naughty clergy as it is shocking when you have a hard working Priest of decades of service being lumped in with the likes of the sexual criminal Jerry Carey or sex mad Ger.
But the big one was the Courts and the inquires have made it clear Victims should not be able to see the scum clergy in the directory alongside the retired clergy.
Dublin has done it in the Catholic Directory 2021 but others need to follow.

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‘it is shocking when you have a hard working Priest of decades of service being lumped in with the likes of the sexual criminal Jerry Carey or sex mad Ger.’
12:43 You still don’t get it do you. Bishops do it the other way round and hide criminal priests among the retired and ill ones so that people don’t get suspicious.
I suggest you watch Spotlight and pay attention to the bit where the journalists get wise to this bishops’ trick and the cover stories they use for shuffling abusive priests round, including sabbatical and administrative leave.
No wait… You’re a cathbot so this realisation is beyond you.

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10.16

And you think that people here are going to take YOUR word on this? A romanist priest’s?😅

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Bishop Denis has Father Paul McNamee listed as a Priest working elsewhere although he is c/o diocesan office it is a separate listing to the Wonderful retired Clergy.
So do NOT go with web site get the OFFICIAL Directory from Veritas.

However under the five year rule Father McNamee should be transferred under the new guidance only approved last year.

Ask Bishop Denis direct and point out the new laws Bishop@kandle.ie

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Do you mean there are separate listings for the wonderful retired clergy, the embittered, grumpy retired clergy, and the ones in prison?

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Clogher diocese has priests on the mission in Limerick and Galway. What’s that all about?

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Pat why are you so bothered about where a priest is serving? You’re always telling us that you left the Roman Catholic Church but you talk about “our dioceses”. I don’t get it.

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The last two days postings have been very serious. What action are you taking to deal with them, please.

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Pat, the altar thing isn’t an issue for the Garda, consenting adults behind closed doors.

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I’m interested in why Seamus would feel the need to try to muddy the water with that stupid and untrue comment.

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1.33

Because that is Seamus’ tactic: to distract attention from whatever makes him feel uncomfortable, not least displays of his own stupidity when he’s inevitably losing an argument.

Seamus is a priest-troll.

I do hope Pat knows that this is Seamus’ sole purpose on this blog. Trolling.

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Seamus, let’s hear more from you. Please comment regularly and frequentl and from any perspective. If you have irritated mc, great.

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Hi Bishop Pat,
“Indeed we have our trolls on her, God bless them 🌹”
I did not understand your comment at 5:54pm yesterday. What did you mean by it?

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9.15: Pat, I hope you can prove without doubt or reservation your allegations. They are of a verybserious nature. You made allegations about a supposed sex rings in Dioceses. These are very serious allegations. The Gardai will, hopefully, establish the veracity of your claims. Will you publish any conclusions? Or are you just being a very malevolent individual?

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The place for a diocesan priest is in his diocese, unless he is on the way out or for some good reason such as studies or family reasons. Shuffling priests out of the diocese is one of the ways bishops have helped priests abuse. In fact I have given the example of a priest from an Irish diocese in our parish in England for no apparent reason – and then the police came for him.
The unholy priests always have a go at anyone who says that on here, but they need to get back in their box. If you want to go to another diocese you can be incardinated or else you need to fulfill your responsibility to your own diocese.
If you want to be able to apply for roles in different places there are denominations you can change to.
THIS ISN’T ABOUT YOU.

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That singing priest, the Irishman who inexplicably went on BGT, despite living in Ireland, is a missionary. Why isn’t he overseas, converting people?

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10.16am

Imagine, I’m a ‘fool’ and an ‘idiot’ for simply proffering a view – as I said in my post, such a view (a reasonable one I feel) is bound to piss the clergy off, which you so elegantly illustrate.
I’m glad the blog is full of idiots and fools like me – the fraternity of the fallen is where I’m most happy and comfortable although unlike your hasty judgement of me, mine is the fruit of many years experience and reflection.

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Bishop Denis has confirm Father Paul McNamee is a Priest of the Dioceses of Kildare and Leighlin and is on Official Loan according to Canon Law and he will return to his own dioceses once the loan agreement is over
The Dioceses has 56 Parishes and 90 clergy so every parish has ample at the present time.

Any questions to bishop@kandle.ie

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Then why did this Kildare PP say this 11 months ago?

The Catholic Church in Ireland is living through a vocations “pandemic” which will see more new bishops ordained this year than new priests, a well-known cleric has warned.

Fr Paddy Byrne, who is parish priest of Abbeyleix and Ballyroan in the Diocese of Kildare and Leighlin told The Tablet he was “genuinely concerned” for the Irish Church as someone who is “passionate about my ministry and very worried about my future”.

The 46-year-old, who is the second youngest priest in his diocese, described the number of diocesan priestly ordinations this year for the Irish Church’s 26 dioceses as “abysmal”. He said: “Could you imagine in the middle of a pandemic if there were only two or three doctors graduating for frontline service?”

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Kildare looks to Romania for priest shortfall
Mags Gargan

June 2, 2016

Kildare looks to Romania for priest shortfall Bishop Denis Nulty
Kildare & Leighlin is the latest diocese to look abroad to fill clerical appointments in order to counter the decline in priest numbers.

Announcing the diocesan appointments for the coming year, Bishop Denis Nulty said he was “aware of the huge demands on priests in 2016 and each year the changes will get that bit more tight to ensure all parishes have priest cover”.

He said he was in “ongoing conversation” with the Diocese of Iasi in Romania around the possibility of “a couple of priests from there spending a few years with us in our diocese”.

He told The Irish Catholic the talks were in “the very early days” and that he had reached out to the Romanian diocese because “I had met some of their priests who study and live in the Irish College in Rome and they would have come to my native Diocese of Meath for summer duties over the years”.

Fr Yesudas Kodiveetil, a priest from South India, will take up an appointment as curate in Tuam parish in July and last year the Diocese of Kilmore appointed two Nigerian members of the Society of St Paul as curates.

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The explosion of internet use since the nineties has greatly helped those who pursue truth, Pat. Before then you would have had to thumb through paper publications to get these two nuggets. They can no longer just say the first credible thing that comes into their head.

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I love these comments by the Official Spokesman of the Bishops Conference.
Nothing to see here, move along.

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Can’t understand why owner of this blog is discussing about serving priests. What’s the purpose of it and forgive my ignorance re👆.

Although some priests may need one off break to recharge their energies.

Its Kildare and Leighlin name that caught my eye. Cos there was one priest I remembered from that place. Friends told me that he was transferred from Kildare and Leighlin to deaf chaplaincy(dublin)- deaf village in Cabra. He only stayed for a short while, only six months later, as then moved to usa.

See here – https://www.cidp.ie/fr-joe-oneill/

https://www.kandle.ie/fr-joe-oneill-leaves-on-sabattical-to-los-angeles/

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11.05am

Ah abusive ad hominium – play the ball not the man – I’d rather, if you didn’t mind, deal in truth and leave alternative facts or pure fiction to you.
As I say the reason I enjoy this blog is a reasonable critique of the RCC as a failed and corrupt institution brings out from under their stones all manner of rattled clergy – I guess it’s because the truth as opposed to fact or fiction hurts.

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11.09: A “child” issue. Pat, are you deluberately throwing out innuendo in the hope of creating narratives of accusation after accusation and can you validate your own “child” issues? That’s a very serious allegation and deserves investigation by the Gardai. None of us should second guess such a serious crime. Can we believe this to be true?

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2:52 Are you actually as stupid as you’re acting? The man’s told you he suspects there are child issues involved and also that he is working with the Gardai. He knows it’s a very serious matter and the reason you’re throwing your toys out of the pram is to try to shut him up.
Sadly for you it isn’t illegal to say that a potentially very serious matter has come to your attention and you’re working with the constabulary.
Jesus you people never learn.
BTW rather than coming across as a hysterical bully, if you want to come across as a Christian you could say you will pray for justice and if you want to come across as a responsible human being you could say that you support his actions.
Tearing into him just doesn’t make you look very good.

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3.12: Obviously you can’t read or understand prooerly. My questions are rhetorical. Very often on this blog unverifiable accusations are made and It’s important to provide proof. Whete children are at risk of any kind from ant network of abusers, the authorities must be immediately informed, as I have done myself. I commend Pat for informing Gardai. I simply asked if he could prove his assertions.

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4:39
I certainly can’t understand your comment prooerly.
But you’re back-pedaling after your intemperate go at Pat making out he was trying to do something because of his own child issues.
You’re a priest aren’t you – I can tell because you’re lying.

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Were such media as this blog non-existent, the whole, sordid thing would have been hushed up by ‘holy mother church’ and her acolyres, romanist priests.

Never trust a romanist priest: his loyalty is to something other.

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Much media today is controlled by the establishments of church, state etc.

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Does anyone remember Fr Paul (Murphy?) who was a Trinity College Dublin chaplain in the 1990s alongside Richard Sheehy? I think he went to USA on loan. Where is he now? He has two namesakes, one an army chaplain in Galway, if Murphy is his name.

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According to the Annuario Pontificio 2020 the Romanian Diocese of Iasi has very healthy Catholic per priest ratio of 473:1. It has 325 diocesan priests and 128 religious priests for a Catholic population of 314,300. That the swings and roundabouts of the church. – in the 19th and first half of the 20th century, Irish priests evangelized significent parts of the globe. Now that system is reversed.

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The cathbots really aren’t showing themselves up very well today.
Pat makes a perfectly sensible observation about a diocesan priest working outside his diocese.
The cathbots all roll on the floor screaming MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.
Pat comments that a very serious crime has come to his attention and he’s reported it to the Garda.
The cathbots rage going THAT’S VERY SERIOUS YOU’D BETTER BE ABLE TO PROVE IT.
Even though obviously it’s the garda that will be deciding what’s happened on the basis of the evidence.
These are not the reactions of rational people and rather tend to prove Magna Carta’s point.

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5.03
Leave mc out of it. It has nothing to do with him. His point – as you call it – is confusion, obsession and addiction-based.

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All the more reason to bring him in if it annoys you and gives you another opportunity to show what a shit you are.

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6:50 is another of Magna’s disciples. Magna is the shepherd of his posse.
Some of Magna’s disciples have been known to desert him. The posse follow him but then disown him 3 times.
When the rooster crows, Magna knows that another has abandoned him. 🐓☹️

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On your dreams, Shammy boy. You literally hate that people can think independently and come to the same conclusion. For example I have never discussed you with Magna Carta but I’m sure you’re an idiot.

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9:28,
It’s amusing that those who “bring him [Magna] in if it annoys” get their socks in a twist at the revelation that they are a part Magna’s posse.

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The Anglicans’ system has a lot to recommend it. A priest can apply for a parish anywhere in the world. In the C of E a priest may apply to be a bishop. And a priest may decide to take a break from ministry, let his licence lapse for any number of years and work at something else, in industry or educatio, and afterwards apply to have his licence to minister re-activated.

The church’s current narrow model of ministry is not working.

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Oh yes, I forgot how amazingly successful the Anglicans are and how we should copy their renowned pew-filling policies.

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Interesting how you seek success and define it as numbers. If you’re in ministry you really need to think what you’re about.

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4.28: What do you want to know for? It’s none of your business. If a priest wants to join another Diocese at home or abroad, that’s perfectly legitimate once all the proper documents, civilly and canonically are completed correctly. Some of you are getting your knickers in a knot over nothing..

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But there are concerns about some priests who have been moved from place to place each time they dirty their bib.

That is why the blog looks at transparency etc.

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It shouldn’t be about priests wanting to join another diocese. The people of K&L paid for the expensive education of this priest in the expectation he would serve them and not bunk off to Sacramento.

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Yes they did. For the umpteenth time if you make the mistake of giving money to the church they will do what they like with it.

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5.32: Can you prive that any priest.mentioned today was moved by their Bishop or “sent” abroad? You are making very sinister accusations which is totally unfair to any priest. I know priests who took time out for 10 years or more to work abroad on missions or in the USA or Canada or South America. They are all back in full ministry in our Diocese. We don’t need your suspicious mind at play..

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I did not say anything like that on today’s blog. I was simply asking about our priests working abroad and us importing priests.

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5.47
Whenever you hear such excuses from a romanist priest, always have to the forefront of your mind the phrase ‘mental reservation’.
These men are practised in this deceitful art: the art of lying cleverly, of deliberately steering people away from the truth and into a mental cul-de-sac of misinformation about…well…about the broader subject of today’s blog for one, as to why romanist priests are moved abroad, without even plausible explanation, when there is such a shortage of these parasites at home.
‘Transparency’ is just a highly inconvenient word to romanist bishops, one whose practical meaning they will seek to avoid at every crooked turn.
Pat, such is the importance of this blog that I hope you have given at least some consideration to the fact that one day you will need a successor, someone to carry on this good work of exposing the dirty underside of Romanism. It is guaranteed to get even dirtier if people like you aren’t around, and none of us is this side of eternal life.
These parasites, especially romanist bishops, are totally devoid of conscience; I mean this. They don’t do what is objectively good: they act from self-convenience, in strict accordance with Canon Law, men’s prescriptions, not God’s.

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No conscience at all. In fact the church would be better having all candidates sit a psychopathy inventory instead of the ridiculous sexual paperback psychology they currently have. Unfortunately I don’t think formators have the understanding to know that there are genuinely people with no conscience (I mean, it contradicts the church’s teaching) and that those people are drawn to ministry like flies to the light. weeding them out would help the ministry and also help the people to get the right help – in fact they often try ministry because they think everyone is just pretending and ministry will give them a role to buttress their personality.
I have often looked at clerics, and especially bishops, and thought that a lack of conscience was the only explanation for the way they behave.

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6.16: Your comhentdeminstrates yet again, Magna, how far you have slipped beneath anything remotely of GOD. However you ciuch your fuatribe, it reeks of a deep putrid hatred. I suspect somehow that your life is devoid of meaningful relationships and meaningful things to do. No person who interacts with normal human beings could sustain him or herself with such a prolonged sickness of hatred. Some essential part of your humanity is demished and i conclude that you are at the nadir of self loathing, irredeemable angst, jealousy, vengeance that you cannot help yourself slipping further into a darker abyss. You have nothing need to say except a repetition of yesterday’s hatred. It is easy to envisage your personality frim your narratives. I imagine most of us feel saddened for the loneliness and misery which have invaded your life. Hatred is never a solution for anything. Marge dear, have a stiffner – (the thing between your legs)!!! Lighten up, Nellie boy!!

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It’s not always the priest who goes abroad that has dirtied his bib. One commentator above said it well when they said they sometimes felt they could be more fulfilled elsewhere or that God was calling them to a different place. Look at you, Pat, Tullamore, Dublin, Waterford, Wales, Antrim. I also know of a priest in Galway who reported another priest for suspected abuse and was ostracised. He is now away from Ireland and very happy, by all accounts.

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I have certainly moved in earlier years. But 43 years in this area now and 37 in Larne.

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50-60 years ago a lot of newly ordained priests were sent overseas. It was quite common. As some comment maker on here says, it was influenced by where they came from. Did those who went away get a better deal?

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7:04, it’s called a surplus;
“In the 1950s, the number of Irish Catholic clergy reached its highest level. In 1956, there were 5,489 priests in Ireland (diocesan and members of religious orders) – one for every 593 Catholics. There were also 18,300 nuns and Christian Brothers. Vocations were so high that between one-third and a half of clergy went on the missions.”

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Precisely Seamus ON THE MISSIONS abroad in the colonies.
That’s where missions are. To the heathen natives.
But I forgot, you’re a racist about the Irish yourself aren’t you.

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Incardination is a important canonical and theological concept and should be taken seriously. Whilst Fidei Donum priests are important it would be sad to see priests becoming economic migrants – in search of a better standard of living elsewhere and seeking incardination in more congenial surroundings.

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True. It makes perfect sense for priests to accompany migrants from their own country so that they can minister to them, eg the Italian and Polish missions that sprang up in the last century – however, we are well off for priests. Some communities around the world only have Mass once or twice a year. Seems selfish to prop up our existing structures staffed by priests who could do more good in their own countries.

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The Irish were treated appallingly in the UK – No Irish or Dogs B&Bs used to say on signage.
There was (probably still is) a lot of anti Irish sentiment against Irish clergy in Birmingham – Pat Browne the Dean of the Cathedral retired early and I suspect that anti Irish sentiment played some part in his returning to the home country,
On the other hand didn’t a former bishop of Portsmouth refuse to have any clergy other than Irish and isn’t that why Worlock wasn’t ordained for that diocese but Westminster.
The clergy are as racist if not worse than lay folk in this regard.
Rather like English football the English Catholic Church is at the worst racist (privately) and at the very least show unconscience bias.
Will you ever see a black English bishop?
How many people of colour are Trustees of dioceses – very few if any.

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Yes, there was an anti-Irish sentiment, but mostly in the past now, thank God. Interestingly, however, many Irish people found the Catholic Church in Britain more amiable than the church at home. There was less dominance and less oppression.

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And don’t forget the perspective of English Catholics who have had Irish Catholics literally tell us they’re better Catholics than us. My favourite parish ever was run by an extended Italian family and I loved it.

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Priests should be independent operators, rather than being tied in some feudal way to a bishop and a diocese. That’s the way it happens in other Christian traditons eg. the C of E. Why all this nonsense of a priest ‘belonging’ to a bishop and his diocese ? Yes, he may have paid for him to be at seminary, but after a period of time serving in that diocese the priest should be allowed to choose rather than be directed by the bishop. It’s all about control, and we know that the RC Church likes control. They need to get real. Treat priests like adults and stop infantilising them with all this ‘belonging’ stuff. Things would be a lot healthier and happier then.

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7.38: If only life was as simple as ABC as you propose. Yours is a recipe for utter disaster. If all of us were to act independently, you would have personal kingdoms, little collegiality, divisions and chaos. What if all members of Fianna Fail or Fine Gael or Labour were to act with such reckless independence? That’s why parties operate the “whip” system. I don’t feel that any one owns me except God and I feel I belong to a family, not always unified or caring, but I cannot be an awkward loner and just do my own thing. Those who act as loners are very protective of their territory. Yes, we certainly need to have a radical overhaul of ministry, priesthood and church but as a collegial family not as individuals.

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It’s not about control but dedication to the particular church, a portion of the people of God.

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Wasn’t Monsignor Gilby , chaplain at Cambridge university, the last priest who was not incardinated

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Definitely yvonne’s knickers! I’d say she has one for every day of the week with Gers face on it

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Pat you commented above that the church in Ireland is living through a vocations pandemic and we all understand what you mean. However living is not really a word which can be applied to it. It feels like a nursing home.
I honestly think the current set up and personnel are so far failed it needs to die (it is dying) and become a missionary territory. Grand memories of the past will not revivify this shambles.

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A number of Westminster priests and at least one seminarian have been reincardinated to Portsmouth and Plymouth, including the late Fr George Lyons, a real character and once a Westminster Cathedral chaplain.

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He was chaplain to a young adults group at the Cathedral. He invited them (men and women) on a trip to Ireland and joked that he would supply the condoms. He also swore during a Mass for the group in his homily. A woman walked out and complained to the Pope.

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I think priesthood only makes sense as a response to the needs of people. Incardindination or some sense of attachment is necessary to foster and facilitate this. Whatever about priests going abroad when there is enough to be getting on with here at home I think priests coming to Ireland from other places might help to bring new vision and energy.

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Better to look to other Anglican models than C of E where many things are genuinely old. For example the applying for roles often goes wrong with the fact that livings are in the gift of a patron with the legal right to nominate a priest. This goes back before the Reformation and still limps on despite dioceses claiming many livings in the nineteenth century. The patron is sometimes the bishop but could be an Oxford college, a school, or more rarely the queen. The two extremes of the church also have a number of livings where obviously patronage is used to dictate the churchmanship.

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