Bishop Declan Lang is a canon lawyer and decided to put Francis’ ban on latin Mass into immediate effect.
In doing so he is promulgating the news rules from Rome.
He cannot be accused of doing anything wrong but perhaps he can be accused of insensitivity and haste.
It is important that the global RCC proposes one form of the liturgy and bans other forms that are jampots for religious wasps like the nutcases and rebels who use the Latin liturgy to deny the papacy of Francis, the validity of the Second Vatican Council and to promote the homosexual priests who like to crossdress for Mass.
Both JP 11 and Benedict were wrong to create the slippery slope that has led us to where are today.
Francis had to alternative but to strike swiftly and strongly.
The Latin Mass crowd can always go to the SSPX where they will find a warm welcome.
Cardinal to be Arthur Roach, will apply Francis’ instructions to the “t”.
SPECIAL GAY MASSES
Ideally people should attend the Eucharist in their own parish.
Often, nasty PPs send people searching for other churches.
Gay Masses are generally celebrated by gay priests or gay friendly priests.
But at the Eucharist, we gather as Christians, and not as gay, straight or trans.
Special gay Masses would not be necessary if the Church itself, and its priests, were more enlightened and sensitive to the luves of gay Catholics.
BISHOP PAT BUCKLEY 
108 replies on “BISHOP OF CLIFTON, BRISTOL, BANS LATIN MASS AND KEEPS LGBT MASS.”
‘’Then, regularly through the day, I join together in the monastic church, marking the passage of the day, until the last hour when night prayer, Compline, asks God’s blessing and protection through the hours of sleep’’.
Obviously with the help of a healthy glass of Bushmills. One is becoming increasingly concerned about the behaviour of my fellow monks. They are an odd bunch! Of more serious concern is the behaviour of monks in other monasteries. Obviously, the risk of my anger erupting at any time is keeping the poor fellas in my monastery in line. But lord, what I’m hearing about the pagans down south! There is some funny business going on. The image of a monk heading off in their civilian clothing to have the devils fun and to do Satan’s business is very distressing. Telling the BOSS in Rome is a waste of time! I am getting very angry again…that darn cook better not overdo my boiled egg again in the morning. Silly woman!! I am nothing if not a modern man.
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On that basis, Pat, the Eastern Churches in communion with Rome should abolish their liturgies and use the unpopular Novus Ordo.
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11.04
You are confusing rite with a historical (and therefore temporary) expression of that rite.
The Eastern Catholic churches in communion with Rome use a different rite from the Latin/Roman rite.
The missals of Pius V and Paul are one and the same rite.
It’s not the church’s practice to use or encourage and older form of a rite when a newer form has been approved.
Recedant vetera.
Nova sint omnia
Corda, voces et opera.
(St Thomas Aquinas)
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Wrong.
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Declan Lang has no seminarians. Lol.
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He did have one sem. Henry Balkwill. Lol.
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He’s friends with Brendan Mulhill on Facebook. How interesting!
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He looks like the Hunchback of Notre Dame.
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He looks like a FOD.
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You sound a typical old FOD yourself. Basically, a nasty viscious old queen.
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If you had Parkinsons maybe people would mock you in the same way moron @ 11.07pm. What sort of filth are you?
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He should retire if he’s that sick, instead of running his diocese into the ground. He’s 71, ffs. Why is the RCC a gerontocracy?
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Bit judgemental, 07:43.
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@7.25am if Biden can lead the US at 78 then a bishop can his diocese at 71.
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Sleepy Joe kinda proves the point.
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Perhaps if you get to his age and state of health, you may think differently.
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Cue a torrent of comments about Mass from people who never go to any Mass.
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Why would they go when people like you go? You’re not a very good advertisement.
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I see when they handed out empathy and mercy 7.25am you were last in the queue. It’s obvious that your parents dragged you up rather than brought you up. They didn’t instill any manners in you either. I am sure they would be proud of you and your mean judgemental attitude.
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Wheest with the harsh words, 7.57am.
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I don’t think he is a canon lawyer but he is sympathetic to traditionalist quares – as evidenced at Glastonbury….
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LOL but he’s told them to stop saying the old mass. Perhaps they’ll start with the gay mass instead.
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I thought they already did that…
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Haha! Here they are (I quote) giving thanks for the motu proprio
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRBMsWvLjq4/
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What a pantomime. All seems very cosy – so which of the two Doms is the Top Dom? I mean superior….
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Dom Bede is ‘moderator’ according to the yearbook.https://www.instagram.com/p/CJ5daR3Dh_j/
Sounds like the Kirk.
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Ah, thank you, 9:56. I didn’t know that about the word moderator but knew it wasn’t a Benedictine word.
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What a quare set up! Moderator is used in the context of entrusting a parish to a group of priests in solidum canon 517 section 1. You don’t see the term used in a monastic setting. It says he was elected to the position. How can you have an election with only two in the community? All very odd.
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A themed mass makes no sense whether it be based on sexuality or whatever other gemick the genius of the celebrant has produced. It’s just another unfortunate abuse which denotes a spiritual restlessness, always having to have something new and sensational. The changes regarding the TLM seem strange to me. Liturgical diversity has always been acknowledged in the Catholic tradition. It even exists within the Roman rite (eg. Neocatechumenal way liturgy) what real difference did the toleration of one more varient make. All valid eucharistic celebrations unite us in the life of God through our baptismal membership of Christ. It clearly has more to do with politics than anything else. Bob Dylan said in one of his songs “you gotta serve somebody, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord”.
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Yes.
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The proper purpose of the no fewer than three Latin masses was not to be weaponised whether you understood the council or not. JP and Ratzinger were among the anarchists trying to pull the wool over the eyes of genuine enthusiasts like Heenan.
JP’s cliqueyness and outdated ambition to outflank the Bolsheviks (who showed him up with their disappearing act) and Ratzinger’s self-contradictory window dressing were never enough to justify anyone sticking up for the Vatican City State which has lately voided the sacrament of Communion itself.
So much for Mass being a “prayer”. Churches should try rolling out Morning and Afternoon Prayer instead.
This one is only reenacting (in an almost insignficant way) the Paul VI stunt in abolishing the English Mass facing the people. When in Rome, do as Popes do! Le pape a un soupape.
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I wonder how the +Aul Doll will handle the ban, Bp Pat.
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7.11
Ad hominem slur.
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I notice the Catholic Truth Scotland blog has disappeared?
https://catholictruthscotland.com/
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It hasn’t. #fakenews
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So what’s wrong with the link?
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It has not. They have a brand new web site. Very well presented. A very good read. One of the better blogs around. Better moderation, no personal attacks or filthy language allowed. Have a peek.
Garngad Lad
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All the big girls on social media crying over the Latin Mass 😂
Fr. Declan McGeehan
Fr. Gary Denchhttps://twitter.com/garydench/status/1416057044193497094?s=21
It would warm your heart Pat❤️
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Pat
Can you put a space between the name and the link? Thank you 🙏
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Unless Rev McGeehan is competent in the language of Cicero, it won’t concern him.
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Declan Langvis another of those useless desk priests associated with the repressed gay, Derek Worlock.
Under Lang’s uninspiring leadership, Mass attendance in Clifton has plunged, and has been pointed out, he has no seminarians. He has a transitional deacon in a parish, but nobody after that, and of course the seminary he used, Wonersh, is kaput.
Anyone else presiding over such decline would resign in shame.
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Greetings Comrade Buckley! Appeals to charity and being big enough to take criticism on the chin would be far better than homogenous, spirituality crushing conformity by diktat! Nobody should be building houses on bridges. “Neither On This Mountain, Nor In Jerusalem!”
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There are many dioceses without Seminarians @7.50am. You are the repressed gay Mr because your same posts earlier about him being FOD and that he should retire because of health are obvious projection. You must be very unfulfilled in life to begin your day being so nasty. Get yourself out for the day and do something worthwhile.
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Many dioceses without seminarians you say? Good old Vatican II.
Meanwhile, in France there are more trad priests than V2 priests ordained every year.
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You mean more pooves.
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Pat your remarks about the Latin Mass are ignorant and make broad generalisations which are unfounded. Our ancestors died for this Mass, have you any sense of the timeless tradition of the Church
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If the pope of the time decreed that all Masses must be in Swahili they would have died for that too.
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Let’s ban the Syro-Malabar Divine Liturgy in St Colmcille’s and the Polish Masses in parishes throughout Down & Connor. They are divisive.
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7.32
No. The Syro-Malabar is a different rite from the Roman rite. The 1962 missal is not.
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8.16
That’s the very point. Pius V’s missal is not timeless. 1570-1969 is a long time but it is not timeless. Strictly speaking, it’s an arrangement into a systematized whole of a late-medieval form of the Eucharist.
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12.21
Trent had far less influence on Pius V’s missal than Vatican II had Paul VI’s.
The sexual orientation of Paul VI is irrelevant just as the fact the Pius V’s immediate predecessor and successor fathered children.
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Pius did not create a New Mass. Paul VI, the ultimate Pulpit Poof, did.
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Your blog posts are always informative and interesting. The comments also serve to inform people of what thoroughly unpleasant people Roman Catholics are.
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Not all 😉
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It seems Bishop Pat, that you have allowed yourself to become a dustbin of malcontents within the Catholic Church. There is very little that is positive and life affirming from your contributors and it shows Catholicism in a very negative light. Why have you allowed yourself to be used in this way ?
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Is Declan bidding for Westminster?
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No, we don’t need another desk archbishop.
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8.40
Unlikely if he suffers from a serious illness. Thing again.
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If only Lang had acted with similar speed to deal with the abuse that went on for years in Downside in his diocese.
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11.27
If only you didn’t have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find something derogatory to say.
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I didn’t realise that talking about victims of CSA in the diocese of Clifton under Declan’s lax supervision is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Read the submission of the former director of safeguarding to the inquiry into Downside. When you do, you might demote Declan from hero to zero.
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The holy priests think that anyone mentioning their cult’s rampant criminality and corruption is the bottom of the barrel. Their priorities are very clear – me, me, me!
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The Holy Father will preside at the Byzantine Divine Liturgy of St John Chrysostom (Orthodox rite) in September when he visits Slovakia.
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Any word of the enabler visiting Argentina?
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I can’t tell the difference between the Latin mass and the gay mass
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=194685572518364&id=220446151481555&anchor_composer=false
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11.47: If you go to gay clubs and queenie nights out, slap, dick and harry style, then the beauty of the Latin Mass will mean nothing to you and will be beyond your capacity to understand. If it’s fun and filth you want, go to your gay clubs…
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I wouldn’t be so sure about that, 12:41.
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What is FOD?
Which of these prelates were gay Worlock, Hume and Pail VI?
If Worlock was gay – did he groom Elsie or did Elsie groom him?
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Worlock, Hume, Paul VI were as gay as a rainbow in a handbag. Total FODs.
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You know exactly the answer to the question you pose. You are a bullshitter and timewaster.
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My own objection to the old mass is that it tends to become the point.
For example if you enter a monastery because it celebrates the old rite that becomes your reason for doing it. If you travel hours to go to the old mass then that rite rather than your mass attendance becomes the point.
If these trads really thought the two forms are the same rite they wouldn’t make such a fuss about it.
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Dermot Farrell looking like a right plonker here. He has discouraged outdoor faith initiatives and outdoor Mass in his own diocese yet he attends this?
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1.18….Yeah, all parishes have massive space like Croke Park…If Archbishop Farrell didn’t turn up, you’d call him racist…You, sir, are THE PLONKER…Really, get a grip..
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Very true. Croke Park isn’t like the regular parish church. I fear the idiot who said this comment criticising the Archbishop is likely to be at home in his parents’ basement playing with himself! His comment is from someone who is obviously sad and angry. Bless him!
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I think you are a bit confused! Where is Archbishop Farrell? Not the most enlightened comment. Catholicism is about openness and freedom to worship. Maybe you should keep such misinformed comments in your head.
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2:51
Are you blind?
Do you see the big purple sash in the video? That’s him on the right of Archbishop Jackson. Farrell banned good catholics from gathering outside Churches for Mass.
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3.14
The outdoors are hardly the issue or the broblem.
Social distancing being observed as required.
Pope John Paul famously said we don’t let our own religious family down when we extend a hand of friendship to another.
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Declan is very ecumenical (with Anglicans), but like Francis, a fairly contradictory image after all.
Francis is considered liberal, he decided to put an end to the liberalization of the old rite. How can we explain his ecumenical benevolence or his sense of inter-religious dialogue, while showing himself to be intransigent ad intra , that is to say with regard to his own flocks? How can we also pass for the Pope of mercy when not a single word has been uttered with regard to the faithful attached to the old rite and who now appear as second-class Catholics?
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Declan Lang we s too ill to be a candidate for Westminster.
Comfortable retirement beckons me thinks – house purchased by the diocese – rent free for perpetuity and big fat pension – that old solidarity with the poor v much alive and kicking in Clifton.
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The SSPX run a substantial priory in Bristol and a chapel in Taunton. Just for information.
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Well, business is coming their way.
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The SSPX can take over all the closed and closing V2 churches, and ex-convents and ex-seminaries.
It seems as though Lang is in a minority of one. It is business as usual everywhere else.
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Every other Bishop in good health has done the same @3.06pm. Declan is not in good health yet carries on. He is good to his priests. What’s your agenda?? Do tell us to help us understand your beef????
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Good to his priest… needs fact checking this!!!
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3.06
Would you prefer him to be destitute? Would you be less of a malcontent if you knew he wouldn’t receive the proper medical attention he requires?
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I have a unique appreciation for canon lawyers which is colored by a blatant self-interest for which I should make due reparation.
Back in the early nineties on Roman humid afternoons during Reggie’s classes I’d pray that he’d call on the canon law students to translate. I’d be assured of a blissful repose of fifteen to thirty minutes while those canon law souls labored to render a paragraph of gorgeous Latin into mangled English. For that break I am still grateful to those canon lawyers who have since moved on to august positions of authority.
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What has happen to Catholic Truth Scotland, Bp Pat? Very strange.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=catholic+truth+scotland+blog&form=ANNTH1&refig=cd9cc3789ab94e92b6ddb93e3cec5f50&sp=2&qs=SC&pq=catholictruthscotland&sk=BT1&sc=4-21&cvid=cd9cc3789ab94e92b6ddb93e3cec5f50
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Nothing it’s there. The website is a new one so perhaps you tried while it was being changed over.
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No they have a new web site must have come into money.
The nasty CTS
https://catholictruthscotland.com/
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Yeah, the nasty old editor is now here:
https://catholictruthscotland.com/2021/07/20/pope-francis-traditionis-custodes-backfiring/#comments
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I love this blog. Just read it daily and read all the repressed queens plus rejects too tear lumps out of each other. Follow the thread. Thoroughly entertaining.
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I love it also!
The filthy venom emanating from their potty months….particularly that nasty,vicious thing who pounces on Magnas every contribution with all the zeal of a great white shark. She’s a bad one Pat.
If she took herself into Limerick city I’m sure the lads would look after there in the studio. It’s nicely decorated and quiet. The only thing is she’ll have to part with a few quid. But its better than the gee gees.
More and more are cottoning on to these repressed queen’s and their inhumanity towards each other, not to mention the (ever decreasing)gullible twits with plenty of loolah.
The blog is being circulated around the world. It’s only a matter of time before the dirty ,criminal Roman cesspit falls.
Keep going Pat.
You’ve numerous people behind you.
The padres and the pointy hatted ones can hardly sleep knowing you’ve the facts on every one of the stinking, money grabbing hypocrites .
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5.24:Yeeh, haw, up your nelly, you boyo!! You can hardly enunciate your comments properly! Back to school, man! And, this time listen to the gospel of Christ. Hatred is counter productive. Yeeh, haw…..🤓🤓🤓🤓🐎🐎🐎🐎🐃🦄🦄🦄….whip them boyo…
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Anon@ 4:52. This word ” rejects” that you and others of your ilk regularly use: I don’t understand. Is it an acronym used because you cannot stomach the facts? Mind you, like yourselves, it’s well mixed up: ” Seminarians Resigned That Jejune Evil Catholic Empire.”
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They think that anyone who criticises the church got refused for ordination or seminary. It just shows how narrow their world is – it is far easier to see how corrupt a system is when you are outside it.
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I wonder how many ex seminarians, if any, after deciding to leave, come to regret it?
I don’t think many regret leaving and subsequently decide to return either to their original seminary or another. I certainly have had no regrets: only relief that I haven’t ended up as a sarcastic disillusioned oul PP.
Any thoughts on this from other ex seminarians?
(This is NOT an invitation to you, the usual crowd, to repeat your misplaced rhetoric about rejects, kicked out etc etc. I for one laugh at your idiocy)
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4.27: Pat, how is it that the Oratory, with your high profile, doesn’t attract followers or congregations? Would live to know the true answer!! Could it be its founders fault???
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For the same reason that people shop at the odious Amazon instead of the local shop.
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Over 35 we have never advertised, proselytised of sought converts. If all the people we have ministered to in the past 35 years turned up at one time, we could at least fill Croke Park. We are simply here to welcome, especially people turned away by other churches. As there is no foundation, there is no founder. Our motto are the words of John XX111 – “At my window a little candle will keep burning. All may come in. The arms of a friend are waiting”.
I’m sure this will not answer your cynical question 😉
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Pat’s ministry is not just the Oratory. He was a tremendous help to me and I’ve never been to the Oratory as it is too far away to go to it.
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5.17: Pat, thank you for your answer. I didn’t intend cynicism or hurt you…It’s just that as a counter option for others, I would expect that you’d have more committed followers. Also, I often wonder if any of your vehement adherents on this blog ever financially support you or if any of them have made themselves known personally to you or visited your Oratory.? If you perceive cynicism, now you might know how we feel frequently at the comments you express!!
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I have never received any money from anyone on this blog.
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I have never visited Bishop Pat’s Oratory although I would like to one day but some months ago I needed his help – I was in a bit of a tizz and very anxious – I phoned his mobile phone he picked up straight away and understood instinctively my dilemma, he was empathetic and sympathetic and was able to help me practically and solve my problem which he did graciously and immediately. He was very calm, there was no fuss or drama and my peace of mind was restored.
It was a very positive experience of pastoral care and it restored my faith and I am very grateful.
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6.56: Rather says alot about the sincerity and supposed loyalty of your fans. That’s says more about them – commenters – than about you, Pat. Their usage of your blog and platform to espouse their hatred and venom should surely justify their supporting you financially. As I said, their anonymity as bloggers says much about them…not nice.
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For 35 years now I have always had to make my own way. My small congregation is very kind.
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On the topic of yesterday, my off topic comment is; when I tried to view mass live from the Oratory, I was greeted with a black screen. I was able to watch back recordings alright but not live.
Like any of the Birmingham Six, I am an innocent man who has been wronged.
Is mise le meas,
Séamus
PAX
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I am sorry to have today this but a lot of this article is lacking in basic Christian charity. Surely there is room for both forms of the Mass.
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There are many forms of Christian worship and if done with reverence and according to certain norms, are good. Surely though, it is better to use a language that all the congregation understands word for word, than have a language that nobody speaks or can get full enjoyment from and simply parrot responses for the sake of tradition ?
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