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“Hi, Pat, on a recent blog a man was mentioned who said at his death: “fornicator I have always been but heretic never”.

Who was that? Thanks

I met a lovely man today who trusts he’s going to hell as he believes that all his friends are there.

It reminded me of the dying man thinking out loud in his sleep in his last days saying:

“I’m not sneaky. I understood it that he thought to call upon Jesus after a lifetime of disbelief was sneaky”.

It would be nice to pitch a blog on these last moments in life to give hope. Thanks for all. Kind regards”.

PAT SAYS:

Those of us who are trying to be Christians have to believe in Hell because Jesus taught it as a reality.

I think it a bit childish to think of it literally as a place of physical fire and burning.

I’ve often tokd the following story in a sermon:

A good man died and was welcomed into Heaven by the Lord. God then told him he was going to let him see Hell before he went to Heaven.

They opened the doors of Hell and it was a beautiful palace like room with a big table in the middle that was full of every wonderful food you could think of. But everyone around the table was starving and emaciated.

Then they left and went to Heaven. There, there was the same room with the same food but everyone aroubd the table was well fed and hearty.

God then explained to the man: “Both in Heaven and Hell everyone has to eat with very long chopsticks.

In Hell they all try and feed themselves but the food falls off the long chopsticks before it gets to their mouths and, thus they all starve.

But in Heaven everyone feeds everyone else and they all thrive’.

Hell is eternal selfishness.

Heaven is eternal love.

The way you live in this life decides how you live in the next life.

BAD v WEAK

I dont believe that anyone goes to Hell because they are weak.

To go to Hell you have to be evil.

Many are weak. The few are evil.

Only God decides who goes to Hell.

He created us for Heaven.

I believe Hell is either empty or relatively empty.

God is both a just and merciful judge.

PERFECT AND IMPERFECT CONTRITION

Renember the old distinction between perfect and imperfect contrition?

Perfect contrition is being sorry for your sins because they hurt God whom you love.

Imperfect contrition is being sorry for your sins because you are afraid of going to Hell.

The lesson is:

The more heavenly you nake this life for others the more heavenly your eternity will be.

The more hellish you make this life for others the more hellish your eternity will be.

88 replies on “HELL !”

The altar shaggers are definitely Hell bound. Some nasty disciples of Satan in the RCC priesthood

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Sadly Pat, there are a lot of ways we make this life hellish for others rather than heavenly. The perpetrators of abuse in every way make like a living he’ll for those abused. Our nastiness towards others; our biting cynicism; our selfishness; our name calling of others; our humiliating of others; our racism, bigotry and crushing judgments – are all hellish experiences. We can each be hell makers for others or treat them kindly, forgivingly and charitably. Did not St. Paul say we will each be judged according to the life we luve and the actions we perform. I don’t understand why you have the phito of Archbishop Martin: surely you’re not obsessed again with him or inviting hell upon him?

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Hell is being a spirit trapped between dimensions, in this world, your conscience dictates whether your spirit moves on or not….

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BishopPat Buckley thinks that Hell is empty or nearly empty.
However, the Lord Jesus Christ says: “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and MANY there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it” (Matthew 7:13-14).
One also gets the impression, from the Lord’s account of the Last Judgement in Matthew 25, that will be more than a few in Hell, when He divides the human race between His right hand and his left hand.
You are right though, Bishop Buckley, that only God knows those who will be in Hell. We must pray for sinners to be saved. The Lord says, “except ye repent ye shall perish” (Luke 13vv1-5).

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You are taking it all very literally. Keep thumping that bible and keep preaching to the sinners. See how you get on!

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No, God does not decide who goes to Hell, because that places him in the position of actually SENDING souls there.
Each of us makes that decision not by our deeds, but by our desires, either for what is good, or for what is not good. For instance, a person who loves to fornicate, even to his or her death, can never be with God, nor would want to be, because God could never fulfill such a desire.
With whatever we fall in love with will determine our eschatological destiny.

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But that would be to make God a psychopathic sadist, saying to sinners that they have done it themselves when in reality he has the power to sweep the rules aside.
Unfortunately this sadistic view of God has dominated for centuries, and even more unfortunately people try to balance it with the idea of a merciful God. Unfortunate because the mercy of God becomes twisted into God letting stuff ride.
It is high time we started seeing God as a strong black lesbian who is done with this shit.

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7.59, your first sentence is a non-sequitur. How does God’s allowing people to determine their eschatological destiny make him a sadistic psychopath? An utterly bizarre deduction.
On the contrary, his doing this is an expression of his justice: allowing people the freedom to choose for themselves.
God will not force people into Hell. Nor will he force them into Heaven.

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No. If God creates a situation where people are damned for eternity supposedly because of their own choice while he has the ability to get them out of that (so it’s actually his own choice) he is a sadistic psychopath.
Are you stupid or just another sadistic psychopath who can’t see the volitional cruelty in this?

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12.25, who says that God creates a situation where people are damned? Do you mean Hell? God didn’t create Hell; the demons did out of their rejection of everything good.
And how can God ‘get them out’ (the damned) if they don’t want out?
God has no ability to allow people to choose between good and evil while similtaneously forcing his preferences upon them. If he did, they would lose the freedom to make choices; they would cease to be human.
No; I am far from being stupid.
And I cannot see what is not actually there: there is no volitional cruelty here on God’s part.

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Have you seen the creed recently?
God created everything visible and invisible. Stop trying to excuse him for the alleged reality of hell.
The other reality is that God is omnipotent so could in reality get anyone out of hell.
I really think you should examine the way you see God, because you express a theology which is very far from the classical conception of God. In fact this is the chief sticking point for many people with Christianity – you can’t both say that God is omnipotent and that he can’t get people out of hell.
If he can’t get them out he is not omnipotent, if he is omnipotent and could, he is a sadistic monster.
You also can’t have an omnipotent God who created everything and say that he didn’t create some things. The devil isn’t a get out clause here, because if you allow him power to do stuff that God isn’t at least allowing, you again stop God being omnipotent.
Put it this way – if you came across someone holding on to the edge of a cliff with their fingers and you had the strength and ability to pull them back up, you would do so.
What you are saying of God is the equivalent of telling them you saw them be very silly so you’re going to leave them there to plunge to their death.
I don’t think you would do that – in fact only a sadistic psychopath would do that. Therefore you are saying God is a sadistic psychopath.

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6.26, God created everything visible and invisible…that was good.
Yes, God is omnipotent and could, therefore, liberate Hell. But the liberated souls might be freed, but they would not be free: they would remain in bondage, not in Hell this time, but in Heaven. God would have to usurp their wills to keep them there if their natural inclination was to evil. They would not be human souls.
Of course I would rescue the imperilled person you mentioned. And I would do it out of the goodness in my heart. God’s goodness.
You seem to be in a rage about God and dismiss him as a sadistic psychopath simply because he won’t make a utopia out of the dystopia that is our world. Again, God will not destroy, or impede, the freedom he gave humans to choose between good and evil. But this is precisely what would happen if he were to turn our imperfect world into a flawless one. Yes, of course he could do so if he wished, but there is a cost here: our freedom to make those choices.

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@6:26: The contradictions you highlight are just a few of the veryyyyy manyyyy in the whole farrago of religious beliefs concerning God, especially the alleged Christian one. Ridiculous really.
MMM

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12.14
You can be forgiven for focusing on fornication as an example of sin if you were reared in that milieu.
Sexual sin isn’t the most serious of sins.

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9.32: Sexual sin can be a most serious sin when it degrades the dignity of the human person, as in rape and sexual abuse. There is a sexual violence that destroys the beauty, joy and pleasure of sex. Wild, orgiastic sex parties where anything goes is a desecration of the gift of sexuality. Animal style sex where hurt, pain and aggression causing blood to pour is utterly disgusting. Deliberately infecting others with STD’s is morally sinful. Sexual sin does exist.

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9.32, I did not say that sexual sin was the most serious form of sin. I stated it only as an example, for argument’s sake.

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9.20
The dignity of a human being is degraded when they don’t have the basic necessities of life such as food, water, shelter and education.
If you are concerned, how are you showing it?

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Of course sexual sins are serious. Why? Because little, innocent, dependent human beings can be the result! I always cringe when I see the usual SJW distractions to the corporal works of mercy when sex is mentioned. Sex is a massive issue and God wants human sexuality treated with the utmost respect.

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“For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.”

King James Version (KJV)

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7.43
One of the biggest sins must be to take a biblical reference out of context and seek to apply it universally.

When that quotation from the last chapter of Isaiah was written, the prophet didn’t believe in an afterlife, much less in hell.

So back to the drawing board.

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“But this is the one to whom I will look:
he who is humble and contrite in spirit
and trembles at my word.”

Isaiah 66:2 English Standard Version

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8:39, Isaiah was writing under the influence of the Holy Spirit – not from his own mental musings or ramblings. If you don’t believe that you are a heretic. So you think that Isaiah fully understood all that he wrote? That he fully understood all the prophecies, some of which are still to come?

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You’ve been well schooled in the form critical theory of the Modernists 8:39 am. If you are a priest you may as well be just a pagan in fancy dress as far as I am concerned.

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“At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting [a]contempt.
3 Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.
Daniel 12: 1- 3 New King James Version.

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12.27
Were you asleep during the lectures on inspiration and inerrancy as they apply to scripture?

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12.36: In case you hadn’t noticed, I was responding to comment at 8.32 which was a reference to sexual sin. Your question is a non sequitur one but since you ask it I will answer. I respond by giving to charities who work with the homeless, those in need and occasionally by giving donations to missionary support groups who work for those without the basic necessities of life. The gospel imperative of sharing with and giving to others less well off is to be followed – to do what Christ asks of us. Hope this suffices.

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https://www.divinemercysunday.com/vision.htm

Sister Faustina’s Vision of Hell

“I, Sister Faustina Kowalska, by the order of God, have visited the Abysses of Hell so that I might tell souls about it and testify to its existence…the devils were full of hatred for me, but they had to obey me at the command of God, What I have written is but a pale shadow of the things I saw. But I noticed one thing: That most of the souls there are those who disbelieved that there is a hell.” (Diary 741)

“Today, I was led by an angel to the Chasms of Hell. It is a place of great torture; how awesomely large and extensive it is! The kinds of tortures I saw:
The First Torture that constitutes hell is:
The loss of God.
The Second is:
Perpetual remorse of conscience.
The Third is
That one’s condition will never change.
The Fourth is:
The fire that will penetrate the soul without destroying it. A terrible suffering since it is a purely spiritual fire, lit by God’s anger.
The Fifth Torture is:
Continual darkness and a terrible suffocating smell, and despite the darkness, the devils and the souls of the damned see each other and all the evil, both of others and their own.
The Sixth Torture is:
The constant company of Satan.
The Seventh Torture is:
Horrible despair, hatred of God, vile words, curses and blasphemies.
These are the Tortures suffered by all the damned together, but that is not the end of the sufferings.

Indescribable Sufferings
There are special Tortures destined for particular souls. These are the torments of the senses. Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings related to the manner in which it has sinned.

There are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another. I would have died at the very sight of these tortures if the omnipotence of God had not supported me.

No One Can Say There is No Hell
Let the sinner know that he will be tortured throughout all eternity, in those senses which he made use of to sin. I am writing this at the command of God, so that no soul may find an excuse by saying there is no hell, or that nobody has ever been there, and so no one can say what it is like…how terribly souls suffer there! Consequently, I pray even more fervently for the conversion of sinners. I incessantly plead God’s mercy upon them. O My Jesus, I would rather be in agony until the end of the world, amidst the greatest sufferings, than offend you by the least sin.” (Diary 741)

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And, @9:45: those who thought or think her ramblings have any significance or reality have a lot of…….well, gullibility really!

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Saint Faustina is a canonised Saint of the Church. The solemn celebration of Divine Mercy Sunday is on the Sunday after Easter Sunday and concludes the Octave of Easter.

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4.31
Karol Wojtyla’s personal devotion. If she had been born in Russia shed’ never have made it.

Luckily for us all her imagination has no bearing on theology.

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8.00: Hell is not a creation by any priest, perhaps by Pat but you’ll find references to the concept/reality of hell in scriotures. We choose either be with or without God by our own decisions in life. It’s called free will.

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9.36
I agree with your last point. The fact that God has given us free will makes the existence of hell a necessary possibility. However, the church has never said that any particular individual is in hell.

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“Fornicator I always was; heretic I never was.” These are the last words of Fr Andrew Wouters, a Dutch priest and martyr.
Wouters was born in 1542, and he died 30 years later, in 1572. He was a young diocesan priest whose life was dissolute. He had many lovers, and he fathered many children. His priestly faculties were in fact suspended when he was captured by Calvinist radicals, one of 19 Catholic priests and religious brothers who endured several weeks of torture and beatings before being hanged. Despite the efforts of their captors, none of the 19 were willing to repudiate the doctrines of Transubstantiation and Papal Supremacy. St Andrew Wouters was canonised in 1867.
Wouters flawed heroism reminds me of the whiskey priest in Graham Greene’s excellent ‘The Power and the Glory.’

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Flawed heroism?
Your tale is the perfect example to illustrate the RC saint industry, and that you can achieve canonisation by saying the right things.
The bizarre emphasis of the RC church may also explain why priests who abused children were protected.

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I will never defend the permissiveness and evil which infiltrated the Church. Be that as it may, I am very happy to subscribe to the Catholic Tradition’s God of Mercy and Surprises — “bizarre” as it may be to the vindictive and pharisaical spirit of the world. I wonder if you’d read Graham Greene?

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DIRTY JOKES

My granny Kate liked a naughty joke. She once confessed it to a very elderly priest in Dublin. The priest replied.
“Did you laugh at it Mrs”. My granny said yes.
The old priest said: ” Anything you can laugh at is not a sin”. 😁

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Br Jorge – Name of the Rose – would argue that laughter is subversive with the power to disrupt the stability of society, religion, and even truth itself. I mean when the US Grindr monsignor was exposed my first reaction was to burst out in laughter…

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Laughing at other people’s misfortune is suggests that you have a wicked and sadistic element to your personality.

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God you were condemning me yesterday for having a Laugh after mass or if the priests passes a joke here we now have saying jokes was the old Priest you 🙂
I hope your not one of the old school Bless me father for I have swore that’s fine 5 Our Fathers and 20 Hail Mary’s.
Thankfully the New is encourage them to love one another and help one another not on your knees for hours.
Our Lord in the RCC is one full of Forgiveness and Love so years ago people with mental health who took their own life at 12 – 90 years of age were condemned to Hell by the Priests 70’s – 90’s Ordinations classes but now Mental Health and Suicide is for the compassionate.
Just for a Laugh…
A woman walked into the kitchen to find her
husband stalking around with a fly swatter.
‘What are you doing?’ She asked. ‘Hunting flies’,
he responded. ‘Oh. Killing any?’ she asked. ‘Yep,
three males, two females,’ he replied. Intrigued,
she asked. ‘How can you tell them apart?’ He
responded, ‘Three were on a beer can, two were
on the phone.’
Oh Pat people laughed during Holy Mass we will all be going to your Hell well I think not.

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5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” 6 And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. 7 The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” Revelation 22:5-8

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12.31
Must be an Anglican bible as the Jerusalem bible is slightly different or maybe you have used the King James and changes the words to your vocabulary.

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The ESV is far more accurate than the Jerusalem Bible as the ESV employs formal equivalence in its translation methodology as opposed to the dynamic equivalence, which is a loose subjective rendering, used by the Jerusalem Bible.

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12.31
See the earlier posts in this thread about taking passages of scripture out of their contexts.

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It’s the ESV Catholic Version actually.
You modernists laugh and sneer at the infallibility of the Scriptures, the saints, the Magisterium of the Church, the Sacraments, holiness, virtue, etc., etc,.
Do you believe in anything outside the constructs of your finite, blind intellects?

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‘Authentic’.
You mean the RC official teaching.
Haven’t you noticed that many people here don’t feel obliged to pay any attention to the church’s teachings at all? Those who do with know where to find it.

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I must say everyone here today is in great form. Nothing like looking at the bright side of life. Evidence perhaps that you can quote any part of the bible to prove your argument. Fire and damnation is never a great look however. On a more positive note I see the Bishops are starting to get excitable about getting their flock back to church in greater numbers. I can’t recall seeing bishop Phonsie nursing sick COVID patients in ICU. Maybe he will just pray for their souls instead and hope they don’t end up in hell.

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O now Rev Fathers and all of other classifications. Hell is indeed very real and exceedingly uncomfortable.(No offence to Mr Kipling intended) Hell is of our individual and collective creation. It will be revealing when the light of God will show all of us up for who and what we are. Heaven or Hell I believe, do not admit anonymous residents

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But how do we give hope to those who suddenly start looking for a certainty at the end of life and who never seemed to have encountered Jesus at all.

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We hear a lot about “encountering Jesus”. Having Christ as a personal reality in our lives is of course an essential element of being a Christian. However, I don’t think that it is a purely emotional or sensational experience as pharses like that seem to suggest. The change of heart and interior freedom which characterise the real thing are rarely observed in those who spend time going on about it.

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From The Irish Times 02.08.2021
Catholic bishops criticised over Communion and Confirmation stance
via The Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/catholic-bishops-criticised-over-communion-and-confirmation-stance-1.4637067
The decision by some Catholic bishops to defy public health advice by allowing First Holy Communions and Confirmations to take place in their dioceses this month has been criticised by the co-founders of the Association of Catholic Priests (ACP).
The bishops have also been accused by clerical abuse survivor Andrew Madden of placing children at risk of “reckless endangerment. Again.”
To date Bishop of Elphin Kevin Doran in the west, Bishop of Waterford and Lismore Phonsie Cullinan in the south, Bishop of Meath Tom Deenihan in the east, Bishop of the cross-Border diocese of Clogher Larry Duffy and Bishop of Raphoe (mainly Donegal) Alan McGuckian have advised parishes that Communions and Confirmations can go ahead from mid-August.
Mr Madden, who was abused by former Dublin priest Ivan Payne, said that taking public health guidance as advice rather than regulation, reminded him of the late Cardinal Desmond Connell’s description of the church’s then child protection measures as “only guidelines” with no authority in canon or civil law.
“That was why Children First [State’s child protection legislation] was put on a statutory level,” he said.
In Mr Madden’s view it was clear some bishops “have learned nothing from any of this and are now encouraging people to ignore health and safety”. He said “church before children, old habits die hard”.
Fr Tony Flannery, co-founder of the ACP, accused the bishops of “effectively lining up with the anti-vaxers” in challenging medical and State authority. He contrasted that with how the bishops themselves rigidly applied the rule of law in the church itself, “as I know”.
The bishops, he said, in “defying health and official advice”, were mistaken and would be better “if they faced the reality that these events have little real religious meaning”.
Another ACP co-founder, Fr Brendan Hoban, said that “common sense demanded that First Communions and Confirmations could be postponed indefinitely and that the fallout from that necessary decision – disappointment of children, cancellation of parties, buying of outfits, etc – though all important and enjoyable in terms of faith and family, were not cumulatively more important than the loss of life to Covid”.
The “plain and simple fact is that while church authorities can control the [First Communion] ceremony, the party is something else altogether. Hence, the danger,” he said.
“Throwing more petrol on the anti-Nphet [National Public Health Emergency Team] fire are a number of groups with their own agendas who claim that Nphet is unfairly targeting them. These include church groups ,” he said in a recent Western People column.

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As Pat has alluded to Hell is eternal selfishness. I see examples every day of utter greed and the me fein attitude.
Be it the grab all politicians who fill their pockets with massive salaries and not happy with that,milk the expenses for all their worth.
Those crawling with their mouths open for holy communion who have never lifted a finger to help anyone.
Yet in their selfish delusion think they are good Christians. Those who look the other way when people are in need and who are absent while families and friends struggle with debilitating illness .
The most decent people I’ve met have very little yet would stop to help.
I’ve seen people step over old people who stumbled on a railway platform or on the street.
Yet the “I’m alright Jack ” brigade tend to have a charmed existence and seem to avoid the miserable times many suffer.
While God is merciful I can’t help wondering what fate awaits these selfish creatures WHEN their time is up.

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The threat of hell is a management device dreamt up by crusty old celibates with too much time on their hands – the early Fathers considered the use of contraception and masturbation the moral equivalent of murder and masturbation worse than incest.
No parent could or would jettison their flesh and blood to eternal separation from them – can God? I doubt it as the human condition is wounded and fallen and inclined to sin and evil – dare we hope all men and women will be saved? Yes, but not through our own merit but through the saving death and resurrection of Jesus.
Man in queue behind Mother Teresa, St Peter says disapprovingly to her, ‘You could have done better’ man throws himself on the mercy of God, passes effortlessly into the joy of heaven. Moral: we are all saved by the blood of the Lamb if not, we are not saved at all!!

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5.53: Hiwvdi yiurecincile your understanding with the parable of the Last Judgment by Jesus where he indicates that by our own decisions – free will – we create the divide between ourselves and God by the way we live?

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No one knows the deep inner thoughts and penitence in heart of anyone as they pass from this life to the next – God is mercy beyond human comprehension.
Beware of consigning anyone to hell because God is rich in mercy and love, as far as the east is from the west, deeper than any ocean.

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Pat, what a weekend end to blog about hell! In your mind did you think we’d all be out and about fecking every which way? After the beautiful gospel of yesterday, Jesus as our Bread of Life – why hell? Sadly, many of your bloggers will deny the existence of hell or believe in the Eucharist…

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Pat would not know the RCC Gospels for the next few weeks are on the Bread of Life.
Seek ye First the Kingdom of God.
God is an all loving and understanding Father.
Just try your Best and do not do to other what you would not like done to yourself.

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It’s not like they’re out in the public domain.
Mother of God, you people are so stupid.

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I have never heard a Catholic priest give a homily on hell, heaven, the second coming or death for the last 40 years which has led me to conclude that they don’t believe in hell either!!
Mind you, I am of the view that many, if not most RCC priests don’t believe in God either.
The best a RCC priest will offer you on the death of a loved one is: sorry for your loss or condolences – hope in the resurrection or heaven is completely beyond them – they get tongue tied, embarrassed and are completely useless in these v human situations.
Privately and behind closed doors they don’t believe half of it, if not all of it.

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6.18: Your observation may bevtrue of some clerics but you cannot conclude your judgment about all priests. That’s most unjust and unfair. Yes, some priests do not preach well but the majority of us do prepare well for difficult occasions. Last week I had three funerals, this week two, so far. This entails visiting families and a second meeting will be to chat about the Requiem Mass and get notes about the deceased, a meeting held in the more private space of the sacristy or parish centre. Preparing each funeral can be very challenging as each family’s loss and situation are very different. Often you have to deal with divisions in a family or cope with the tragedy of deaths by suicide, cancer, sudden death, prolonged illness…Sometimes the constant death and grief which we, as priests witness can be very upsetting. We are human. I know many priests who have completed bereavement counselling seminars, which I’ve done, and this enables us to approach all situations carefully and sensitively. Your slamming of all priests so offensively is simply ignorant. Somehow I suspect you have all the sensitivity of a bull’s backside!!

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@7:04: And you really think you have a difficult demanding job fadder? It’s laughable how you clerics perceive yourselves! You’ve probably no idea of real world pressures.

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The only thing bishops and clergy are terrified of is people not coming to Sunday Mass and the pot running dry.
Imagine not having a pot to piss in?
Hell is other people (Satre).
God is Love (1 John 4)
I agree hell is a management device that lost its teeth post Enlightenment.
Who has the best tunes? The Devil – Rock N Roll Baby.

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6.28: If YOU truly believe God is love, you should allow that love break through your destructive cynicism.. Even Satan can quote scriptures!!!..you made a silly comment.

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The problem with hell from a RCC perspective is that it is associated primarily with sexual sin – Catholic theology infected culture with the Ida that sex for pleasure is sinful and deserving of hell – every sexual misdemeanour brings down hell fire – although creating pleasure God (according to a Catholic mindset) gets pissy with sexual peccadilloes more than anything else.
Thiis childish and immature mindset has ensured that anybody with a brain knows that the doctrine on hell is obsolete and anarchistic lacking any depth or meaning because it was bled dry and has lost its potency as a management control device.
When anybody asks me if I believe in eternal damnation I tell them to go to hell.

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Damnation, hell, total separation from God will be played to get bums back on pews and money in the plate. They must be sweating – who is going to fund their trips to the boiler house and Grindr subscriptions…

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8.07
It is Direct Debits or bank transfers in 2021 very little money in plates.(bags)
Direct debits and then the tax incentive is excellent.

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Is it still a fiver for a mass or has it gone up? Was 50 euro in parts of Italy

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I think Fr accepts a blow job. If you’ll do it on the altar you’re virtually guaranteed the RC heaven.

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7.04om
Obviously, I meant every priest except you. Your virtually perfect in every way.
I enjoyed the notion that you took the trouble to detail your great sensitivity and then rather insensitively accuse me of being insensitive. Oh the irony and insult – I’m mortally wounded so I am and my tender bulls hide is smarting.

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7.09pm
Ah the free will thing – question is how free is free will – DNA, mental illness, cultural pressure, our environment, to mention only a few factors, impact our choices – so I ask again, how free is free will.

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It’s nice you managed to squeeze the +Aul Doll in, Bp Pat, at the end. She’s always good for a laugh.

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You are all needing to return as you are living in the Catholic Church of the past.
It is not all gloom and doom.
It is joyful and even the confessional have chairs to sit on you are not on your knees.
Music and Sound Systems.
Parish Centres.
So Come on and follow Him and you will seek him face to face in the Blessed Sacrament not a judging old cleric.
Say Here I am Lord.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhTpjdrLf0s

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Chairs in the confessional? Are you for real?
Do you have any idea at all of the reasons people lose a religious faith?

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On the topic of yesterday, as I’ve said before, there seems to be a skewed sense of mercy in some quarters. Imperfect contrition as opposed to perfect contrition.
I hope all the good and honest clergy enjoyed the retreat season! ☮️
Like any of the Birmingham Six, I am an innocent man who has been wronged.
Is mise le meas,
Séamus
PAX

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