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WORSHIPPING THE BIBLE OR WORSHIPPING GOD ???

THE BIBLE has always been a source of conflict in Christian history.

THE CATHOLICS didnt like their people reading the Bible and placed it on their INDEX – THE LIST OF BOOKS THE VATICAN BANNED.

The Catholic hierarchy and clergy were afraid that if people read the Bible for themselves they would see that many of their teachings were non biblical.

THE PROTESTANTS on the other hand put a Bible in every hand, told everyone that God directed with them directly, and tgat every singke word in the Bible should be taken LITERALLY.

This leads to all kinds of nut jobs on the street.

THE LARNE STREET HATE PREACHERS:

Over the last few weeks a number of suspicious-looking mem have appeared on the main street of my home town preaching hate

They condemn gay people.

They have even told the parent of a disabled child that their child was God’s curse upon them 🤮

These are the two main OFFENDERS:

Can anyone tell me who there are and what is their background.

Rumours are rife that they are ex prisoners and ex terrorists.

102 replies on “WORSHIPPING THE BIBLE OR WORSHIPPING GOD ???”

I have just finished Cardinal Sin by Brian Devlin. I was surprised that he had confused the RC hierarchy with God earlier on in his life, as I have always seen them as separate things. Sometimes they overlap and sometimes they don’t. He also had no idea how to pray when he went to train to be a priest. His abuse by Cardinal O’brien completely shattered his faith which must have been very traumatic. At the end of the book he meets with Archbishop Scicluna whose parting shot is… There’s always God…… In God alone, is my soul at rest.

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Does anyone actually listen to these street preachers? I always assume they’re suffering from mental illness and most people just chuckle as they walk by.

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The one with black hair and grey chinos is friggin’ gorgeous, Bishop Pat!
I take it he’s straight, then?! What a shame that is! Lol 🤣
The one with the denim jacket seems to be wearing a wedding ring… if so, there’s hope for all of us yet! Haha 🤣 x

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Well if you actually believe a man walked on water, then hes head needs to be examined for mental health issues…

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@10:56:
If you think these bible bashing narrow minded characters typify Protestants I think you should read more widely to educate yourself. I’d particularly recommend Susan McKays recent follow up to her earlier book: “Ulster Protestants, on Shifting Ground”, Blackstaff Press,, like its 20 year old predecessor consists of narrative interviews of a wide range of N. Ireland Protestants. It gives a valuable insight into understanding our neighbours in this troubled place.
MMM

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Paisley Snr would have been very proud of them. Always remember and never forget that Big Ian topped the poll in every NI election he stood in, so in that sense the street preachers are typical of NI Protestants. Most church-going Protestants in NI wouldn’t disagree with what the preachers say. The views of PINOs are as irrelevant to this as the views of CINOs are on Catholic matters.

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Anon 4.52.
Please explain PINO and CINOs.
Some interesting themes arising in McKay’s interviews are the declining adherence to formal religious practice in younger and more educated Protestants, and that many take religious teachings/belief in relation to interpersonal morality more with the proverbial ‘grain of salt:’ comparable to RCs, though she doesn’t make that comparison herself.
MMM

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A pity a few more don’t confront them Pat and show them for the brainwashed parrots they are.
Chances are they’re repressed gays full of self hatred and nastiness.
Its not the first time we’ve seen this and not just in Ireland.
They’ll soon give up when they’re getting no response other than police cautions.

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11.08: So, You’re inly interested in free speech as long as it concurs with your world view. Many of the comments you have submitted to this blog could fittingly be described as hate inciting, ugly and defamatory. Cop on..

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Individual clergy may or may not have done many things throughout history. However, the Church has never actively discouraged the reading or studying of the Bible except in cases of heretical groups and literature.
Up until recently in history, this would not have been much of an issue. The average person couldn’t read, so there was nothing for the Church to discourage, and until the invention of the printing press, copies of the Bible were relatively rare. In those periods the Church did indeed forbid heretical groups from preaching heterodox interpretations of the Bible and the faithful from attending such gatherings. But that is a far cry from banning the faithful from learning about the Bible.
Once the printing press made copies of the Bible more available, the Church did forbid certain versions that contained heretical translations and commentary. Once again, that is far different from the claim that the Church forbade the faithful to read or study the Bible. Calvin ordered the destruction of versions he thought were heretical.
The fact that Latin Vulgate version of the Bible was available to Catholics, as were various approved vernacular translations, flies in the face of the accusation that the Church tried to keep the Bible from the faithful. The Catholic Church even produced an English version of the Bible (Douay-Rheims) before the King James Version!

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11.52
The Great Bible of 1539 was authorised by Henry VIII in spite of his hostility towards William Tyndale who had opposed his divorce from Katherine of Aragon and had sought to have his own translation of the NT and of much of the OT gain acceptance. Tyndale’s execution for heresy in the Low Countries in 1536 was partly the result of his Bible translation which was resisted by the civil authorities. The Bible’s potential for subverting the status quo was recognised even then.

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11.52
Your post is misleading.
The RCC violently opposed the translation of Scripture into vernacular languages and did not oppose civil authorities when they had their citizens executed, often in the most savage ways, for possessing such Bibles.

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12.31
A man of the half-truth.
Jerome, Bernard of Clairvaux, Thomas Aquinas et al. were three of very manymajor influences on the diffusion of the word of God to their contemporaries.
One of the reasons the oral gospel was committed to writing in the first place was to prevent heterodox interpretations of Jesus’ life and teaching. Heterodoxy, heresy and misinterpretation have always been a concern of the church through the last two millennia. For example, even in the twenty-first century there are bizarre and idiosyncratic assumptions about the biblical foundations of ministry in the church.
The great Pius XII’s 1943 great encyclical, Divino afflante Spiritu encouraged exegetes to adopt scientific methods of biblical interpretation.
Since then it is almost impossible to categorise contemporary biblical scholarship along denominational lines.

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2.57

The Achille’s heel of your post:

‘Heterodoxy, heresy and misinterpretation have ALWAYS been a concern of the church through the last two millenia.’

Indeed they were, and they generated a collective paranoia and tyranny that led to the ferocious, murderous suppression of those who tried to disseminate the word of God in the vernacular.

Yes, there were exceptions; there always are. But, typically, the Church suppressed most attempts to have Scripture personally readable to the common man.

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2.57

Actually, the incendiary reason that the gospels were commited to writing was the approaching Neronian persecution of Christians. Poor old Mark, a student of Peter’s preaching in Rome, thought: Shit! I’d better get this stuff written down pronto, because buggers like Peter aren’t going to be around much longer and we’ll have no organic link to that guy Jesus.

Well, this, or something very much like it.😕

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9.01
Zero. Not even remotely like that. Nero (d.68 CE) was passé by the time the first of the canonical gospels, which includes references to the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple by Titus was written.
There’s no scholarly agreement that the Mark who may have been a disciple of Peter’s was the author of the second Gospel, i.e. that the reference in Papias may be apocryphal.
Neither is there agreement that the second Gospel was written in Rome or composed for a Roman readership.
Wikipedia isn’t the 28th book of the NT and may easily lead those who haven’t enough theology to evaluate their sources to their doom.

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10.52

What proof have you that Nero was dead before the Gospel of Mark appeared? Simply saying so does not make it so.

Scholarly consensus is that Mark’s Gospel, the first of the Four Gospels, was written around AD 64, on the eve of the first, state-sponsored persecution of Christians; and it was driven by Emperor Nero.

Had you thought a little deeper here, you’d have realised that this consensus is entirely credible, and the most likely of any, and all other, theories about the origin, and social circumstances, of this gospel.

The impending annihilation of Christians, and Christianity, in Rome (and, therefore, their eventual annihilation throughout the Roman empire) would have provided sufficient and urgent imperative for the transition of the Gospel from oral to written format.

No other event in the First Century AD could have provided the same, overwhelming impetus.

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Would you offer comment on the “ careful “ compiling of the canon of scripture by those who had the “ power “ to do it through all the editing of history?

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2.57
Devino Afflante Spiritu was an incredible document. It is tragic that the forensic scholarship behind it only found expression in this biblical sphere… and unfortunately not widely.

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2.07
I suppose a preliminary comment would be to speak about the canons of scripture, in the plural.

While the canon of the Hebrew Bible reflects a primarily Semitic provenance, the longer canon of the LXX – longer than the RC canon of the OT – reflects a Hellenistic source to include works composed in Greek, an unthinkable consideration for the shapers of the first mentioned list.

So before we move to the NT, we are already dealing with three different canons, each hammered out by different groups of people with different authority dynamics. It would be wise to treat each development separately and with some level of differentiation and nuance.

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The RCC brought this about (not very) indirectly by abolishing all prayer and belief during the 1960s then trying to set a bad example of maintaining religion on that basis. This meant the sexual revolution, charismatic revolution, environment revolution etc – and setting Irish cruelties right – and Council with attendant phenomena – and resulting benefits to the general public didn’t have holy backing through a critical weight of ordinary believers.
Protestants would have adapted better otherwise. 2018 has only shown up how ghastly the RCC now is. Ministries of Silly Walks / Garden Paths of Deformation don’t seriously propose prayer.
During my later childhood I was extra curious to be told more about religion just as punches were being pulled. The later message that we had to join some armada or other (in a previous generation it was the now mercifully extinct “knights”) I now see as passive agressive by the highest church authorities. Come and get “it” – oh and you’ll be told what “it” is another day, and we still haven’t been told what “it” is.
Too many mismatches and mixed messages. They know what cognitive dissonance is and call plain honest folks that give a devout and respectful opportunity for a lie to be shown up as an inadvertent mistake, “dissidents” namely criminals.
When the RCC at highest level has thrown the meaning of Holy Scripture out of the aeroplane, just when it fancies itself as world power, it comes over all innocence, oh no, it didn’t mean to pull the carpet out from under decent people’s feet at all. This kind of duplicity is ingrained, the aristocratic roman establishment has been mafia for 1,200 years, and at last they have done their worst against ordinary men, women and children.
The god of the RCC isn’t a spiritual god, it / he is a rabble rouser. Switch switch switch. Look – no bait. Phoney liturgy / sex war as distraction. Sound, forward looking junior bishops get insulted by their superiors.

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Hopefully, the new Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Bill will stop hate preaching in Scotland like those men in Larne. I have not come across any in Edinburgh, but stirring up hatred like this must exist; otherwise, we wouldn’t have this new law.

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What do you think of blasphemy laws and what is the difference in spirit between those and the new Scottish law?

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What are they actually saying about LGBT people, Bp Pat? Is it the usual burning in Hell rubbish.

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I think the church was absolutely right to ban reading the Bible as it’s too easy to misunderstand. For example some people think ‘Be merciful as your heavenly father is merciful’ means burying corruption, hiding crime and facilitating kiddy fiddling.

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8.54: Hi Magna.. Welcome to the light of day. Anything worthwhile in your diary for today? Care for a teddy bear picnic?

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10.58

No, not Magna, I’m afraid.

If you check his relevant posts, you’ll learn that he always posts ‘kiddy fiddling’ as ‘kiddie-fiddling’.

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Magna at 11:48, I am 8:54 and your comment has caused me to look the word up in the dictionary. I’m now torn between changing to -ie and sticking with the demotic -y, which is in wide use.
Sigh.
Either way these people won’t believe I’m not you 😂

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He has to meet his job coach at the Universal Credit office in Downpatrick and he has an AA meeting by Zoom at 1pm, but other than that his diary’s free.

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Who’s the guy in the grey chinos? Easy on the eye. I must stop and listen when they’re next in town.

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10.11: Ssdly, there are many promoters of hate speech in all kinds of social media and blogs, including this blog. There are some horrible, vicious comments on various platforms directed towards particular individuals or groups. All hate speech, wherever it emanates from should be banned and promoters brought before the courts. Anyine witnessing in the name of Jesus cannot be associated with hatred of any individual.

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11.48: Magna, you are not a credible person anymore. You’ve lost that many years ago along with your self respect and dignity. Your ugly verbiage is recognisable under any guise.

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Please tell me you are not going.to confront them again.

Have you noticed that most of their Facebook videos are.of confrontations. The love that.

You are only feeding into their ‘everyone rejects God’s word’ bulshit.

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The Jesus Army was closed down in 2019, following claims against the founder and two other then members of historic sexual assault in the 1970s. They lived in community houses in Northamptonshire, London, etc. They had a huge rally in Trafalgar Square every year.

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Now, now, Magna, your intemperate speech is contrary to steps 5, 6, 8 & 9.

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On those grounds, the RC institutional church should have been closed down a very long time ago.

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In light of yesterday’s comment about Patricia McKeever’s use of ‘researchers’ with fake identities and how ‘Catholic Truthful’ that is, I wonder would she care to comment? I’m sure Police Scotland or Glasgow City Council might have a comment or two!

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Ah yes, that paradox that gays are fastidious about hurty words but not fastidious when it comes to, er, you know.

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4:46 The real paradox here is that gays are so fastidious about cleanliness that their anuses are much cleaner than any of the fishy pussy on the hags you have to pay for it.

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11.03
Why would Glasgow City Council be interested in CTS or Patricia as every Organisations does it use people in the Supermarkets and Pubs they are called Mystery Shoppers.
Keep going Patrica and Pat Clergy are running scared.

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There’s a big difference between mystery shoppers and people using fake IDs for targeted harassment masquerading as research. Say if Glasgow City Council were your employer, they might have an issue with that sort of conduct. Just sayin!

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“And then I hope you will live your life as a celibate. Like me. Celibate rhymes with celebrate.”

—Sister Mary Ignatius (explaining it all for you)

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If you ever feel useless, remember it took twenty years, trillions of dollars and four US Presidents to replace the Taliban with the Taliban. (Dr Norman Finkelstein)

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The Italian media is awash with rumours that Frank is resigning in December on health grounds (colon cancer). Obviously we will need a definitive statement on that from Jim S., who will have been involved in the decision making process.

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6.14
Too busy planning for the COP26 Meeting which he will attend and then meet all the Bishops of Scotland.
The Media even had Pope Francis saying a Mass for the Faithful but who was paying for it when parishes are struggling just now.
You NEVER believe all you read in the Media.

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I agree he won’t quit. He has been really quite ill all through his papacy but carried on and obviously wants to get on with his plans.

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Benedict was a big girl’s blouse. When his homo butler was about to spill the beans he left. What did he know?

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7:06pm

Strange his plans don’t include a visit to his native country Argentina. I wonder why that is? from what I hear he wouldn’t be welcome. I wonder Why?

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7.43: God bless Pope Francis. A great Pope. He deserves our prayers, not your crap.

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Did anyone else see this from CNN ?
McCarrick has been issued a summons ordering him to appear in court for an arraignment on August 26, according to the filing.

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6.14
No store to be set by sedevacantist media who claim Pius XII, of happy memory, was the last Bishop of Rome.

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The “Ecclesia Dei” communities or priestly societies attached the 1962 Latin Mass are being summoned to Rome in September. This would include the FSSP (Fraternity of St Peter), ICKSP (Institute of Christ the King), and IBP (Institute of the Good Shepherd). This has traditionalists concerned about what could be next after devestating Motu Proprio Traditionis Custodes. Will these societies/institutes be restricted or asked to celebrate a “new Missal”, new calendar, or required to concelebrate?

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7.00: This is an utterly un-christian response to this priest. The Latin Mass has a particular beauty and mystery about it and brings the heart and mind to God. I am appalled at the Vatican’s decision. Though not a Latin Mass attendee, I believe we will lose many good, devout Catholics. I remember the awe, mystery and prayerfulness of the Latin Mass as a child and teenager. While we should celebrate the Eucharist with reverence and respect, drawing people closer to God, much of today’s Masses are banal, with poor liturgy, music and cathechesis. The sneering at those who still have a devotion to the Latin Mass is misplaced and ignorant – usually from lapsed Catholics or unbelieving clerics!!!

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I just saw the video of +Pat and the street preachers. “A parrot could do what you’re doing” 🤣 You were good enough for them Pat

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On the topic of yesterday, God does want spiritual fruits alright and not religious nuts.
I have been in the blog wilderness for forty days and forty nights. My time in the blog wilderness has been something like a Lenten journey.
I am a lowly humble comment maker. I message in peace. Approval of my posts or not is the decision of the moderator.
Like any of the Birmingham Six, I am an innocent man who has been wronged.
Is mise le meas,
Séamus
PAX

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It might not be the best approach that they’re taking (singling out one particular sin and not trying to avoid being provocative) but would the majority of churches in Larne not take the view that marriage is between one man and one woman?
Are people stupid in your opinion Mr Buckley because they take a traditional view of marriage?
Sanctification is a process.

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