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THE COAT OF ARMS OF THE NEW BISHOP OF FERNS 🤢

GER NASH, who will be ordained as tge bishop of Ferns next Sunday has come up with a strange coat of arms.

It looks like the logo of a Water and Sewerage Agency.

The motto means”In the peace and belonging of Jesus” – which is fair enough.

I think Nash was trying , but failed, to outdo the retired bishop of Killaloe, where he comes from

Walsh’s arms are nuch more traditional and expressive.

His motto “THE KINDNESS OF CHRIST” is very touching.

My dealings with Willie convinced me that he was making a great effort to be as kind as Christ.

Will was kind but a but a bit lacking in the courage department.

I very much like my own coat of arms, which was granted by the Chief Herald of Ireland and painted by a senior heraldic artist.

The green hat and gold and green tassles for a bishop.

The three bulls from the Buckley coat of arms.

The “Black Sheep” – me – with the bishops crozier.

The motto on a priest’s stole.

Motto: TOLERANCE – LOVE – DIVERSITY.

Of course, “tolerance” is to be distinguished from permissiveness or turning a blind eye to wrong doing / corruption.

162 replies on “THE COAT OF ARMS OF THE NEW BISHOP OF FERNS 🤢”

From memory (perhaps another contributor can confirm or correct) Bishop Brain of Salford had as his motto DEUS PASCIT CORVOS (God feeds the crows). My interpretation is that this reflects the Lord’s care for all creation.

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So you like your own coat of arms but Bishop Nash’s is strange and you couldn’t resist your waspish ignorant comment. At least his is simple, meaningful and straightforward, unlike your own which indicates how much you really love yourself but is so clericalist and triumphalist. Pat, I thought you were different!! I prefer Bishop Nash’s unpretentious style and humility. Sorry!

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But it is not simple to understand, and nor is it straight forward—in any meaningful way, that is; it has no meaningful imagery and lacks all, and any, indication (both abstract and concrete) as to what, or whom, for, it is supposed to represent…
Don’t forget, imagery is important for those of us who could be deaf or have different learning abilities form others.
Here is my own opinion, and you are free to disagree: I’m afraid the new Bishop’s coat of arms is indicative of a mind which lacks any real creation or genuine quality (which is hardly surprising as its conception and design are just another blunder in a long litany of catastrophic mistakes made by Roman Bishops).
A: Creation in terms of: creativity is a necessary quality for one to posses who might happen find themselves in a leading role — including any leading role in an institution which has been proven to be a complete, alive and active, danger to children and vulnerable adults. Then there’s the lies and corruption…
B: Qualities in terms of: qualities are important, well… qualities, to possess for one who wishes to set an example in the community; one must be willing to Show — display, even — one’s qualities and committment to the love of the poor, abused and abandoned: and make it clear that one will never tire in one’s endeavours in ensuring the poor, abused and abandoned are listened to and cared for.

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11:08pm

Patsy is different, but to compare his Coat of Arms with Nash’s, there is no comparison. His is a proper Coat of Arms, Nash’s looks like some mental logo with no meaning at all your use of the word humility reminds me of someone, I wonder who?

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Why are the tassels and cord for a bishop green and gold please? I’ve always wondered why the cord for a pectoral cross was that colour.

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Traditionally the tassels are green and gold for a bishop, purple and gold for an archbishop, red and gold for a cardinal and white and gold for the pope.

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Thanks Pat. Are these colours intended to represent something? I can’t see why the Bishop’s one would be green when the others are carried through in the rest of their kit.

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For most of Church history green was the colour for bishops. This colour is still seen on the traditional coat of arms that each bishop chooses when elected. However, in the 16th century the colour was switched to “amaranth red,” which is named so in reference to the colour of the amaranth flower. In practicality it more resembles the color fuschia.

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Nash turned a blind eye to the abuse allegations of Killaloe overseas trips to Taize. The priest in question has also a history with Scariff.

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Why is it that when someone mentions a clerical sex abuse allegation or scandal they are automatically called a stalker?

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Down T, because the clergy have failed to learn anything from the abuse revelations over the past decades and bizarrely continue to blame the victim.
They are so stupid that they don’t seem to realize doing this merely reinforces the objectively true belief that they are a profession wholly composed of criminals and deviants. Their best response (literally) is to point out that non priests also abuse – and this comes from men supposedly educated in ethics and theology!
Having confirmed that they don’t give a shit about clerical abuse they will be very shocked and scream persecution when states begin to force control on the church.
Their attitude further shows that they don’t give a shit about anything except themselves, because their attitude is further guaranteed to erode attendance and donations.
When Europe is wholly Islamic the RC church will have done more to cause that than anyone else.

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10.53
It is not always so. You are generalizing.
In this case, the stalker has made these allegations here ad nauseam. If she/he possesses information of abuse the only route to take is to contact An Garda Síochána.
If she/he doesn’t possess such information and still experiences the temptation to stalk the people alleged to have suffered, she/he should seek help for their infatuation. Continually posting on the internet is a hopeless and useless solution.

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Yes, one individual (the Killaloe stalker) repeatedly makes vague obscene claims against two ex-sems of Killaloe diocese, and a former Maynooth dean, but never goes to the Guards, never specfies exactly what is supposed to have happened and just gets off on repeating them constantly.

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A@11:34: Now your comment is the kind of ‘one liner ‘ I admire. To the point and spot on accurate. Thanks 😊
MMM

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Lol, MMM, you need to take your own advice about getting to the point and being accurate.

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Yes @ 2:54, I agree that my comments do tend to be longer than most. It’s difficult to simplify complex points for the slow learners. I’m concluding that many just don’t want to think too hard and prefer cocooned comforts: the make belief in the great Sky Fairy and His gifts to the chosen few.
In several comments recently I’ve challenged faith believers to provide any contrary evidence to what I’ve said, and to provide some proof, any, for their religious beliefs. No response to date is telling.
MMM

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When did bishops from dioceses outside Dublin start to have apartments in the city, especially in plum parts such as Donnybrook? It used to be that a visiting bishop neeing to stay overnight in Dublin would be put up in Archbishop’s House or stay in the guest apartments in Clonliffe or Maynooth. Also, as a member of a religious order couldn’t he have stayed in one of their houses?
Comiskey clearly used the diocese as an ATM and obviously the Trustees were too stupid, too weak or, er, too trusting and didn’t due due diligence and ask why, precisely, an out of town bishop needed an apartment when free alternatives were available.

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I hope he paid the diocese the full market price and didn’t get it on mate’s rates”. How did he reconcile personally owning an apartment with the vow of poverty he took in the Sacred Heart Fathers?

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Didn’t Comiskey have private (very expensive) treatment for alcoholism in The States as well?
Isn’t it wonderful that romanist clerics are so generous to themselves… with other people’s money. 🤔
And still the sheep keep giving to them. 😂

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Not heard of a housekeeper/daily help? They need a bedroom, then there’s the Private Secretary’s room and a guest bedroom. If anything, four bedrooms is a bit of a squeeze.

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4:11: Magna, I thought you were familiar with how things are run in the church! 🤣
As many jobs and as many arse lickers as possible.

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I wonder, what does dear old Dame Henry O’Shea of Glenstal think of this? She’s a heraldry queen, after all. 💅

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If he is that humble he should have declined the promotion and stayed in his desk job in Killaloe.

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viris not viribus.
Vir (man) is 2nd declension.
Viribus means “strength” or similar.
I don’t get out often enough … I know.

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CINEALTAS CHRIOST – If only other Bishops had the same motto! Including the apostate in Larne!! If only….I’ll dream on..

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(Sigh) If only they’d just disappear instead.
These freeloaders cost the country a king’s ransom. 🤕

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Must be plenty of ‘interesting’ reading on file in Ferns…what with the former seminary…etc…

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I’m sure it’s all been shredded in a completely innocent clear up of the records, like they had at Downside.

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I learned recently that the big former seminary wing at St Peter’s College, Wexford in the diocese of Ferns lies empty and unused, with all the former seminarian bedrooms and priest staff bedrooms unoccupied. The attached secondary school has no use for it. Why can’t Ferns donate it to be used as social housing, or failing that, use it as a homeless or asylum seeker shelter. It’s not as if its ever going to be used a seminary again.

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10.05
Bishop Ger Nash does not take over until the 5Th September so wait and see what happens.
It is NOT in any Dioceses to have property empty for many reason more so the condition fails and so better to give it to organisations for social housing or the homeless.
Many organisations turn down property as it costs too much to renovate.
A Bishop does not make decisions on property as the bishops role is pastoral and therefore the Trustees decide what to do with Diocesan property.
Bishop Nash : Coat if Arms is a 2021 design with the light of Christ in the Centre. the blue burning flame.

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I think the shape below represents a boat so it would be more likely to be water (of baptism?). Either way it looks wrong and suggests the flame is burning or the water sinking, the church, the boat.
The blue flame thing sounds like theosophy to me. Are there any members of the Liberal Catholic Church who know?

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10.35
Spoke to Bishop Nash elect on Thursday and he is so humble with a lot to do in his new Dioceses and looking forward to his challenge.
I have been taking part in the Novena for Bishop Nash and sadly you would likely never said a Novena in a long time.
On Sunday I will light a candle and watch online him being the Successor of St Adian.
Maybe you will at least offer a Hail Mary for him in his new challenge.
Your claws are always sharp like the devil but in your case like an old witch.

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Yes, the new arms does have a Leadbeater & Wedgwood feel to it. Perhaps his Lordship-Elect has exchanged “Ritual Notes” for “The Science of The Sacraments.” I wonder if he’ll wear silk under garments, and have the required gems on his altar. Perhaps he’ll be as assiduous in promoting the rosary of the seven (?) rays as Fr Peyton was for the conventional.
On the other hand it could relate to the Oxford Gas Works and the reading of the Thirty-Nine upon induction into the cure of souls.

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11.59 he hasn’t finished he’s job here with cases, I might bring it to him there, forward he’s details since he’s a great man for chats and responses! He will be as fucking humble as pie when he hears me 😊😉 not before he shits himself…

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That’s why, 4.54pm, you shouldn’t rely on Wikipedia. The technical institute just uses part of the 1935 building. The old bedrooms/priests’ quarters are unused, as I said.

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5:35pm, I just thought of another name which may be of interest. John Moynihan Tettermer, the author of “ I was a Monk” although he was a Passionist. I never understood why he gave up the chance of becoming a cardinal of Bulgaria. Unlike William Laurence Sullivan who went with the Unitarians which would be a congenial home for a Modernist he became an LCC bishop who didn’t do much insofar as I know except to play clergy in some movies.

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11:59am
I’ve no doubt you spoke to the poor Bishop, you’re so forward and such a gossip. As for all your usual false piety, sadly you don’t have the attention span to complete a Novena. Just watch you don’t fall off that broomstick. I wouldn’t want you to hurt yourself Jim or whatever name you’re calling yourself today.

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This so-called coat of arms by the new Bishop of Ferns, far from being an exercise in humility, draws attention to him by being so different from the norm. Why did he bother to have one at all?

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The diocese of ferns should have been suppressed, its bishop disposed and its clergy, especially the VG, council of priests and canons, scattered to the four corners of Ireland after the decades-long abuse and cover-up that went on in that dreadful diocese.
Ger (what a ridiculous name) Nash should sit in his new throne in sackcloth and ashes.

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Having a coat of arms these days is a very pretentious, thoroughly-this-world thing to possess.
Whatever happened to Jesus’ clear instruction that his disciples be servants? Do servants have coats of arms? Do they live in palaces?
Clergy want to TALK about Jesus (mostly to unconvinced audiences), but they don’t want to be LIKE Jesus; that would be too inconvenient. And yet, the most pretentious of them laud themselves as ‘other Christs’.😂
Carroll’s Wonderland is saner. 🙄

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10.41: More angst ridden sloppy commentary. More insidious, vitriolic and childish name calling and behaviour. You are lying again Magna. LYING and LIES. God bless all our good priests and especially those who are weighed down with illnesses of one kind or another. God bless you too Magna. I really feel sorry for your self inflicted misery.

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9.59
Where are the lies in my post?
Where’s the vitriol?
The ‘childish name calling’
The angst?
You do tend to see stuff that really isn’t there, don’t you?

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“The Blue Flame” was the title of an oil company’s pamphlet of guidance for the illicit production of alcohol by its employees in severe Islamic states

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The practice of religious leaders i.e. bishops having a coat of arms is a vestige of a royalist and aristocratic age. The same applies to nomenclature such as his Lordship, his Grace, Monseigneur etc. All utterly counter-Gospel practices.
The recently appointed Bishop of Chur, Switzerland, the 73 year old Joseph Marie Bonnemain of Opus Dei (the cathedral canons had earlier rejected the three names put forward by the Vatican as being too liberal) refused to have a coat of arms designed for himself saying he didn’t need any such thing, that the cross of Christ would be enough for him.

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Bergoglio has changed the shop window… but it’s all the same down the back of the shop… the very very same….and he gave instructions that it should be so… Heraldry is front of window stuff… like that shop on Dame Street.

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11.58
Excellent, informative post. But the romanists, like their successors the Pharisees, are too self-righteous (too anti-Christ), to listen, or care.

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MC 3:46,
The scribes and Pharisees regarded themselves as successors to Moses’ teaching authority.
Peter is the rock. A rock is not an image of temporality but of permanence and endurance.
The concept of succession was certainly well known at the time of Jesus. Peter as rock is an image of permanence including successors.
Is mise le meas,
Séamus
PAX

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6.16

I hate to break it to you, Seamus, but in all probability those words were not spoken by Jesus at all, but attributed to him (put in his mouth, as it were, for the appearance of divine authority) either by oral tansmittors of the Gospel, or by the Gospel writer, in order to silence any opposition to the assumed view that Peter was the primary apostle.

Even then, Seamus, ecclesial politics were influential.

You need to raise your sights by questioning everything you were ever brainwashed to believe.

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11.32: To quote Jesus for you and Magser: “..Weep not for me or Jerusalem – weep rather for YOURSELVES….” Yes, YOURSELVES…

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12.48: Nasty old queens don’t like being told some truths…As said: Weep for yourself…and Magser likewise…You people (as Hyacinth Bucket would say) are caca….

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Does anyone know what the motto of his Grace Dermot Clifford formerly of Cashel & Emly and Kerry and now of Holy Cross was?

Or what images were on his coat of arms?

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Bishop Casey, who was constantly let off by friendly Guards who stopped him for drink driving and speeding in his Beemer, offered in his defence when he finally went to court for drink driving that “the waiter had a heavy hand”.

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12.16
Since when are servants known as ‘His Grace’?
You can see, can’t you, how far from the Nazarene, and from the example and instruction given by him, all this medieval, feudalistic trapping really is? 🤔
If priesthood were truly of Christ, none of these men would accept such secular elevation; but then priesthood is NOT of Christ; hence the historical torrent of corruption and criminality from it.
You are not of Christ either. If you were, you would not be comfortable with such titles and would object to their use.

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3:08pm

You’re right nasty old Queens don’t like being told the truth, that’s why you hate it. As there are none nastier than you. Magna and I are so above you in every way and Hyacinth Bucket would never use that word, she’s a Lady unlike an ould scrubber like you.

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I always thought the coat of arms for a Bishop was a summation of his Episcopal program, a key element of what he wants to do or be as a Bishop. “In the peace and companionship of Jesus” is a bit vague from that point of view. Also not a fan of the very modern design. If your going to have coat of arms you may as well have one that’s recognisable as such. In any any case someone becoming a Bishop in todays church needs all that prayers they can get. Oremus pro eo

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Suits Ger Nash. He’s a vague, bland, stolid, dull desk priest and is a follower, not a leader. Irish bishops are like that now, eg Amy of Armagh, DLF of Dublin and Larry the Lamb of Clogher.

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1.36
Ger is one ofthe good guys. I could see that in Maynooth all those years ago.

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Is there a reciprocal arrangement between Ferns and Tyler Diocese in Texas?
Seems to be a couple of priests formerly ministering in Tyler diocese now ministering
in Ferns.

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Is it not just the case of Irish priests who weren’t accepted for Ferns when they had more eligible sems than posts for them and so they signed up for English-speaking dioceses abroad, and at last are now able to serve at home now that there are plenty of vacancies?

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Pope John XXIII got Bruno Heim to design his coat of arms – he was apparently a heraldry expert as well as being adept at having tea with an Old Queen.
Clearly a vestige of feudalism distinguishing the Lord from his vassals an anachronism belonging to another age.
I note that KOB and McCarricks coat of arms isn’t published on their Wikipedia entry but then again neither is Terry Brains.
Wonder how looking back on their ministry whether the coat of arms was a motif of a good life served or an embarrassment which bears no semblance to their episcopal ministry.

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2.10

Spot on.

Feudalism, and absolute monarchy.

Nothing whatever of Christ here.

Hence the kiddie-fiddling, its cover-up, the careerism, financial fraud, and general corruption.

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Magna at 3:03 – In fact it’s exactly the attitude they take towards this blog (and everything else) of being privileged and nobody else being worthy of expressing an opinion because they think everyone else is their inferior. Actually that may be the reason for the many stuck up affectations we get. They particularly dislike any comments by yourself or MMM as previous subjects who jumped ship.
In fact given the way the church expects to influence all aspects of people’s lives right up to in the bedroom, perhaps serfs isn’t the word. Slaves is the word, and the hatred of the clergy towards you is the hatred of a slave for another slave who ran away and got the shackles removed!

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The church was once completely feudal. as was society and the culture, society and culture are no longer feudal but there are vestiges – so too the church, thank God not completely feudal but vestiges (coat of arms, titles).

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3.17
Not for the vassals or serfs. For example, they could not leave their place of birth and travel as they more or less belonged to the lord of the manor and owed him their labour and their military service. A vassal or serf who wandered was whipped the first time and had his ears branded the second time.

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If you don’t take the Bible as your authority how can you decide what’s permissive and what’s not?

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3:18 Well you see it’s like this. The RC church say that they decided what was holy scripture and what would be included in the bible. This of course gives them control over what is permitted, however rather than get caught out with changing stuff they have invented a thing called the deposit of faith, so they can say that anything they invent was in this deposit of faith and part of tradition, it just didn’t make it into the bible.
They will say that other denominations have taken the bible as sacred scripture on their own authority but the church of Rome is the real thing so they can do what they like.
You will see that this is terribly open to abuse and the most egregious example is probably PayPal infallibility. Now this is usually misunderstood as meaning everything the pope says is infallible, but that’s not what they teach. There have to be special circumstances and he only does it now and then. As you will see, humans are never infallible and this is plain bollocks.
This attitude of knowing best is what leads to every evil of Roman Catholicism in the world – raped nuns, abused children, living off immoral earnings (the Vatican profits off a gay sauna, a pornographic publisher and a drug company making the morning after pill) and so on.
You may ask what this has to do with Christ- fuck all is the answer.

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Feudalism is a social construct applicable to a period of time – 9th to 15th Century- by any stretch could Western Europe be construed as feudal nor could the Catholic Church – in fact, the Church is more Imperial than Feudal and only feudal in its vestiges.
Of course, both feudal and imperial are used in a a perjorative sense for perfectly understandable reasons but they are nevertheless inaccurate and misleading.
The heraldic coat of arms is an anachronism probably to be replaced by a Logo, Strap Line or product placement in time.
To call a bishop ‘’My Lord’ isn’t a deference it’s a blasphemy.

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Roman Empire… Beehive construct… feudal… imperial… whatever you like…. But Beehive… and science clearly now understands the queen( or king).

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Is it a bird or is it a plane?! Is it a drop of water or is it a flame? 💦🔥
The bishop-elect has been causing quite the stir already. Earlier in the summer he appeared to support the ordination of women.
PAX

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You “learned” wrong. Carlow Institute of Technology uses the seminary building.

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Oh, how radical,…appearing to support the ordination of women! What a stir-maker.
Any plans to ordain women in the near future? NOPE.
Just hot air from another member of the hot air brigade!

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He’s probably treated privately; romanist clergy have the wherewithal for this.

Other people’s.😕

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Yours are on the National Health cos of being on DLA because of your heavy hand, as Bishop Casey would say.

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5.16

All my own teeth and hair. And all money spent by me was earned.

Back to school for you. 😁

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You’re all wrong – the church’s model isn’t imperial, feudal or even colonial. It’s the Stanford Prison Experiment.

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You have to laugh at people here making out Magna’s sponging off other people. That’s the holy priests’ MO!

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Imagine the gall of these people who recently encouraged the ignoring of protocols/ regulations/ laws (?) formulated for the protection of health; these very same men who rule with iorn clad fists in their own enclaves: like Super Slav going around promoting democracy ( particularly in Poland) and ruling like a despot in his own organisation. The self awareness of these people…

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Archbishop Patrick Kelly never bothered with the nonsense of a coat of arms. Sounds like something Hyacinth Bucket would aspire too.

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I wonder what the next few days will bring, Bp Pat; a brand new scandal would be excellent. Failing that, you can always fall back on old faithful Silverstream or Mt Melleray.

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The lodging of the plans follows the GAA selling 19 acres of land at Clonliffe College to Hines in 2019. The GAA had previously purchased the 31.8 acre Clonliffe College for €95 million

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……the car….the wallet…..whats hundreds of millions ?……living is about loss as he knows now…at least he can’t loose the hat he wanted and never got…..

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GAA Headquarters and Interests Republican used to have the same lot/persons as legal representatives. The surname rhymes with what the monarch would do with a sword to the one on bended knee…with the edition of two letters that sound like a light garment that protects from the rain.

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The Clonliffe site has just rested in the account of the GAA and massively increased in value. This is all thanks to Dermo’s insistence that it be sold to the GAA rather than to the highest bidder. The GAA then sold it on and pocketed the profit, which could have come to Dublin archdiocese for Crosscare and much else.
There will be the same profiteering at the expense of the Church when Maynooth is sold.

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10.33: Not Dermo, my dearie..Nope. The Clonliffe issues are old…we’ve heard about objections when land was sold. NOTHING NEW but Mary Lou capitalises on every local issue. They almost oppose all housing policies.

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Ppat, did you know that Michael Olden died today? Former president of Maynooth and native if Cappoquin. A huge fan of Melleray. Probably shocked by recent revelations from that place. The man who never became bishop of Waterford & Lismore. Though to be fair, he seemed reconciled to that in later years. The double adaptor he was known as in early days as a dean in Maynooth.

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He’s logo suggests to me that it’s a drop in the ocean… like him…
Its simple… Like him…!!
He gets an ‘A’ for effort…

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