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A DIFFERENT PRIESTLY ORDINATION IN BELFAST ON SUNDAY.

On Sunday, in the Dockers Social Club, in North Belfast, an ordination to the priesthood took place.

The man ordained was Seamus Mac Ghille Aindris.

The ordaining bishop was Archbishop Jonathan Blake of the Open Episcopal Church.

PAT SAYS

Personally, I do not know anyone in this church.

I have visited the social club where the ordination took place.

It is in the North of Belfast – a strongly Catholic and Republican district.

The OEC is very strongly supportive of the LGBT community.

WHATS BEHIND THE COMMUNITY CHURCH MOVEMENT?

I think on the one hand this movement is the result of some people’s disillusionment with the Catholic and other mainstream churches.

Some people walk away and forget the whole thing.

Others, like people in the OEC, have decided to keep their faith in God, form community groups and erect their own “churches” and meet for prayer and worship.

I do think we will see more of this as the mainstream churches decline.

I also think that more LGBT people will join groups like this feeling the alienation they do from the Catholic and other mainstream churches.

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65 replies on “A DIFFERENT PRIESTLY ORDINATION IN BELFAST ON SUNDAY.”

Bishop Pat wrote, “Personally, I do not know anyone in this church.”
Be very cautious.
There are many groups of Christians coming together to worship God, and they’re doing it without any need to attire themselves in fancy-dress costumes.
So be very careful of this squad, You must be old enough to remember Roger Gleaves, “the Bishop of Medway”.

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Whoa that name brings back memories. He really was wild and totally psychopathic. When bishop Barrington-Evans of the Old Catholic Church took him to court he changed his own name to Barrington-Evans and chaos ensued.
I’m not sure there is a possible comparison – Gleaves was in and out of prison all his life and never ever stable enough for family life.

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Pat, the Dockers is in Pilot Street, in Sailortown, away over near the old St Joseph’s church. Like the Short Strand, it is historically a Catholic/nationalist area.
Nearly all the houses have been demolished and the community was scattered by roadbuilding and redevelopment. Gerry Fitt represented the area in the old Stormont Parliament. There’s a thriving boxing club in the area too.

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A wonderful sight showing that, people haven’t given up on God, they’ve given up on the dogmatic institutional churches that haven’t moved beyond the Victorian era, if they’ve even reached that. God is an archetype in the human psyche that will never leave, the institutional churches are man made attempts to understand that image better but got a bit beyond themselves. As the institutional churches decline, we can expect to see an increase in religious faith. Let Rome and the likes hammer the final nails in their coffins that true relationships with God may flourish.

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“Archetype in the human psyche” ?….!
Do you mean ‘human aspirational conjecture ‘ , or in other words, a figment of the imagination?

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The Archbishop of The Open Episcopal Church set up in 2001, harassed two complainants for several years by bombarding them with abusive messages.
He was issued with a restraining order from Bromley Magistrates’ Court on December 9, 2015, but he breached it.
He has shown no remorse and continues to deny any wrong doing.

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Interesting development with this community church. Its sense of inclusivity and welcome to all is commendable. Obviously this church will contain elements of Catholic liturgy, doctrine and theology. It will be interesting to watch its unfolding. If this community church retains identity at a local level by leadership, it should grow into the community of Christ. If it becomes hierarchical it may fail to do this as we all know what power and authority can do to any person or group. Building our parish communities into truly Christ-like communities poses great challenges for us today: apathy, indifference, cultural Christianity, poor hierarchical leadership, residual effect of clerical sex abuse scandals., poorly faith-formed laity. Perhaps such new church communities might give us hope.

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I think there is a family tragedy hiding beneath the surface of this, of a father concerned for his daughter who had formed a relationship with a teacher/deputy head in SE England who was prosecuted for sexual offences in school of another young woman but was acquitted. The teacher has subsequently appeared in the national press a lot discouraging men from working in girls’ schools and claiming he was a victim of totally fabricated allegations. It does appear to have been a very challenging situation.

The Archbishop’s blog is interesting and he may not get things right. He is certainly very robust and unrestrained at times in his language and response to criticism. In this he is very different from Bishop Pat who stays admirably calm against all provocation whilst standing his ground [that must really irritate his detractors]. Archbishop Blake’s message about inclusivity and concern for others less fortunate than himself, even perhaps amidst his own brokenness, deserves some credit. As to the allegation of him leering at the grooms …. Really? Where does it say that? I don’t know the man and only came across this situation obliquely and in a professional context. I suspect it’s just a spiteful fabrication.

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And I disagree with you. Who are you to tell me who shares in my ministerial priesthood?

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Yes my child. I was disagreeing with 9:47. You are my beloved disciple.
Even with two natures in one Person this bloody platform is a nightmare.

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For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.
The Early Church met in private homes and was made up of separate communities. It is perfectly understandable in today’s world that some people will want to move away from the Imperial Church. If they have love in their hearts and they are true followers of Christ, may they go in peace. ☮️

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11:04am

I still disagree, Google Blake and see what it say’s. I don’t think we would want an other two three like him gathering. Unless it was in a locked ward in Grangegorman.

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When he was a Married Anglican Priest Blake has a relationship with a member of his parish .Pat what do you think about his ” Post the Host ?” Would you post the Holy Communion to someone ?

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He was also seen some years ago standing outside Westminster Cathedral handing out hosts to anyone who passed by!

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Blake presents himself as a married man , but there have been complaints from weddings at how he spent a lot of time looking at the husband to be in an intense way .

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@11.15am What do you mean? What sort of update might there be and, if there is one, would it be of any interest to readers of this blog? I very much doubt it. It is better to stick with the topic for the day. Thank you.

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Blake in his book ” For God’s sake do not go to church ” says he had an affair when a married Vicar .

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Blake will put a consecrated ” Host ” ie the Body of Christ in to the post for anyone who asks for it .He calls it ” Post a Host .”

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2.33: If you are a Catholic, read the teachings re: Eucharist. When Catholic Priests and bishops went through streets blessing peopled with the Eucharistic Christ, Pat and many on this blog scoffed at, ridiculed and belittled their efforts in trying to bring solace to many. Our churches, supervised, became refuges and sanctuaries for 1000’s for quiet, reverent prayer. These efforts too were ridiculed but as a priest during those initial months of fear, anxiety, illnesses and worry, I’m glad we blessed peopled with the Eucharistic Christ and by having our Church open for quiet prayer. True blessings from God.

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I think whatever we do to reach out “post a host” is a step to far. Still though there were catholic churches in Italy earlier on in the pandemic who were putting hosts in pre-sealed bags for people to self-communicate. There’s not much of difference there. Maybe we only call out irreverent clergy when they come from a different community.🤷‍♂️ I like what he said about the “Christian assault course” I’m sure lots of people feel that way about trying to find a way into the church. Certainly many a capable seminarian have been left to feel that way with all the scrutiny and even suspicion that they must put up with, accused of being “entitled” if they display any conviction. Unless someone somewhere starts thinking outside of the box the local church in Ireland and many other places will die out. The indefectability of the church does not promise the survival of the church in any specific place. It will remain until he comes again but will he find any faith in Ireland?🤔

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Bishop Pat -A real question . Not a trick .How would you /how should we respond to what Blake says in the you tube that has been posted ?

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Disgusting blog yesterday as I didnt want to have anything to do with it nor will contribute it to yesterday blog. Its owner of this blog obsession with Lomansey (rip).

When will he ever stop it🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤔

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Correction re my post. I refer to 11th September blog, not yesterday blog. My apologies. 🙈😜

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Blake should not stop there -He should form an order of clergy dedicated to taking ALL the sacraments out on to the streets .

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Bishop Davidek also ordained Father Dušan Spiridion Špiner a priest in 1973 at age 23 and a bishop in 1979. After the collapse of the Berlin wall Špiner resigned as bishop and remains a priest.

These stories are worth preserving.

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Humanist services have rituals. Rituals give a structure. Rituals seem to meet a need whether people are religious or not.
It’s perfectly understandable that the Early Church developed rituals and no surprise that the Imperial Church embraced rituals!

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Yes, the humanist services run by the Sunday Assembly, for example have a structure of an entrance/gathering song, then a couple of prose/poetry readings, a talk, a moment of reflection, announcements (!) and more songs, then tea and buns. All elements that are recognisable to church goers. Familiarity and predictability seem tobe desired traits in human gatherings. I wonder if they get trads who resist changes, or progressives who want to change? Some people have been going to them for years. I think it’s a nice idea and great for bringing people together, especially in cities.

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I see it was started by comedians and that there was a split in New York because the services were not atheist enough.
If it’s positive for some peoples mental health to meet like that, peace be with them.

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10.02am “I respectably disagree with you”. Is that you Jamie McConnell? It’s your all time great record!

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The archbishop seems to have invoked several times the GDPR right to be forgotten. This is made clear when you google him and a message to that effect comes up at the foot of the search results. I wonder what he wants forgotten, and why he wants it forgotten?

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I see that AB Blake ordained a Mr Brendan Mooney as a deacon. Just like Seamus Anderson, the priest featured in this blog item, Mr Mooney’s name suggests an Irish Catholic background, which is interesting and perhaps unexpected.

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Derry clerical changes out, including Fr Chris Ferguson, CC Three Patrons, taking a year out of ministry [ie won’t be back].

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Back in the days of ++ AHM the OCs provided opportunities for gays to minister as well as the novelty of the vernacular through their use of the Knott Missal and the Stanbrook breviary. Nowadays so many of them use the Trentish Latin books but still most seem to be gay.
BTW, I recall that ++AHM consecrated a Bishop for Ireland who was an antiques dealer. I often wondered what happened to him. Also, two RC priests also were involved with ++AHM with their own gripes against Pio Decimo.

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