Father Flannery’s sister Geraldine died earlier this month.
He asked Michael Neary, the RC archbishop of Tuam for permission to celebrate the funeral and did not receive it.
So he celebrated the funeral in the sun room in Geraldine’s home.
It was recorded and placed on Youtube.
By all accounts, Geraldine was a wonderful, open and positive person. She entered a convent as a young woman, became a teacher and later left the convent to be a practitioner of Chinese Medicine in Tuam.
I was very impressed and touched by Father Tony’s celebration of the Funeral Mass and homily.
WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?
Would Jesus have refused to allow Father Tony to celebrate the Funeral Mass.
Absolutely not.
The decision not to allow him to celebrate the funeral was un-Christ-like and unChristian.
It’s what happens when people put man-made canon law before the teachings of Jesus.
MY NEPHEW’S FUNERAL:
Tragically, my nephew took his own life in 1997.
I was refused the use of a Catholic Church in Dublin by Desmond Connell – even though it was 1997 and I was not a bishop and not “excommunicated”.
Thankfully the wonderful Christians at Dublin’s Unitarian Church came to my aid and we had the funeral there.
When a family has a priest member it is very important to the grieving family that their family priest celebrates the funeral.
Over the last 35 years I have found many ways and buildings to celebrate marriages, finerals and baptisms – the churches of other denominations, hotels, castles, the open air etc.
We need to tell these hierarchical and clerical bullies where to stuff themselves and their buildings š
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BISHOP PAT BUCKLEY 
111 replies on “FATHER FLANNERY NOT ALLOWED TO CELEBRATE HIS SISTERS FUNERAL šŖ”
As someone who has always had a regard for M.J. Neary since he taught me in Maynooth I am disgusted at this decision of his. What is Tony Flanneryās crime? That he supports the ordination of women? Maybe MJN is too uncritical of the Vaticanās role in this saga. Can it be that he wants a few more years before a successor is appointed? I would hope not. Very sad.
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The bishop has a heart of stone and no compassion. Jesus would weep at his attitude. Anyhow his sister had a lovely mass despite the bishopās lack of charity.
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Bishop is getting well paid in a corrupt establishment and he’s getting old, would you riffle feathers now at this point die to passion, same as politics, their weak, pussey, sad reality but that’s life!
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3.41
Yvonne welcome back.
A simple Question would you agree to Father Ger coming back to say Holy Mass for their Funeral.
Bishop Fintan in the eyes of this blog must be as bad as Archbishop Neary and not allowing Father Ger to offer Holy Mass.
However you cannot have a rule for one and not the other.
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3.41: Yvonne, do you have a neck like a drake? Just a hollerinā.. š„š„š„š„š„š¦ š¦ š¦ š¦š¦š¦š¦..
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Refresh my memory, not all of us are educated on every prick in the diocese, why can’t this man celebrate he’s own sisters funeral?
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4.19 my opinion doesn’t matter and as for fintan, I do have a soft spot for him and he’s doing a good job, but I have and will make bits of him and put him into early retirement, shame these guys don’t think for themselves… Def a teaching moment…
I do like fintan, as much of a hard time I give him!!!
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4.19 if you think fr ger is coming back or looking for an opinion, then you really don’t know me, they will never be back and that’s a promise not an opinion or facts or a threat!
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3.41 I said in a meeting with the local Bishop that didn’t even know what I did for a living, wasn’t even informed correctly by safeguarder, think local bishop was getting he’s info from Facebook and I was kind enough to state to him that fr ger not to lose he’s job but under no circumstances will he ever preach or minister in this town again…..
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Soem kick in the teeth to not be allowed celebrate your own families funeral…
Surely they can’t all be thick as shit…
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+Michelle Neary should have used her discretion in this sad case, Bp Pat.
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@8:49: Please explain why you have used feminine terms to describe a male person.
If it is intended to disrespect the individual please explain how this will be achieved.
My view of the blog matter is that the bishop showed no sympathy, compassion nor common decency in the matter. That appears to be a common trait in the RC hierarchy.
MMM
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4.00: MMM, many of us with you have asked Pat to stop printing such comments. The effeminising of men’s names come from a particular type of person and their infantile behaviour is pitiable. I share your opinion about the Bishop.
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Indeed@ 5.43 I’ve noted +Pat ‘s obstinate refusal to acquiesce to numerous requests by blocking these infantile effeminising posts.
+Pat’s obstinacy, when challenging abusive authority, is courageous and commendable. However that personality trait can be much misguided in refusing to accept certain other balanced intelligent objective viewpoints. I think, that as best explanation, he has said such effeminate language is common parlance among RCC clergy. I have thought he would more likely wish to disassociate himself from ALL their unacceptable practices.
Maybe I just have to accept my assessment to be wrong.šŖ
MMM
PS. Perhaps we can better assess Anon@ 8:49 by the quality of his reply, ……or lack of.
MMM
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I agree with MMM for once! The use of feminine terms in the context used is just silly and immature.
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I watched it from start to end. What a wonderful sister he had, and what a loss to the church by excluding him from active ministry. Such a powerful homily, deep faith, and gentleness. God, I wish he was my parish priest.
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What was so not wonderful about him that he’s ego wasn’t massaged by him professionally that he couldn’t give he’s own sister a send off let alone public and profession, not good and by looks of it, he was an obediant child lol
If that was my family it would be different story!
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I’m not up to date with the status of Fr Flannery, or what restrictions he is under, although I know it is not to do with safeguarding issues, more to do with orthodoxy / theological matters. I am astounded that this bishop did not even reply to him in a time of personal grief, and astounded also that he did not extend a compassionate and caring hand to Fr Flannery. Even a response, even in the negative, would have at least indicated that he had considered the matter. What would have been better would have been to let him carry on with celebrating his sister’s funeral. In the event, Fr Flannery seems to have found a way around it, a way which sidestepped the official Church and bishop. I think there is a lesson in that, especially for the Church and bishop – namely, that we will not continue to put up with this kind of nonsense from them, and will not allow them to treat us as though we are vassals. They need to realise that the Church does not have the hold over people as it did in the past and people, whilst being respectful, will make up their own minds in conscience and do what they think is right, not what they are told to do by a Church, bishops and priests who have consistently shown themselves to be lacking in transparency and integrity. I would take careful note of that, dear Fathers and Bishops ! The sands are shifting under your feet, and you don’t seem to realise it. Until you fall in to a big void of a hole where you will suddenly realise that you are nothing. There is nothing as ex as ex…..
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And then bishop Neary wonders why there are no vocations.
This decision also raises the question of what effect all those years of saying his prayers have had on the bishop and anyone who knows him knows he is devoted to his prayers. Iām sure they glorified God but it doesnāt look much like it that they sanctified much the one praying.
If he didnāt reply to Fr Flannery that indeed is a breach of courtesy as well.
To use a phrase coined by Bishop Neary a long time ago now, as far as Fr Flannery was concerned the bishop was ānailing him to his negative experience.ā When the bishop first used that phrase I doubt he imagined it would come back to bite him in the arse.
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Michael Neary did write to Fr Flannery afterwards to express his condolences.
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12.47
Thatās a better reflection on him.
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Inhuman, but what’s new…!
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I greatly enjoy your artwork.
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Very impressive – youāve captured the ugliness of the man
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Shame on you Michael Neary. More interested in upgrading his wig than a pastoral gesture in times of loss. Fr. Flannery is prophetic. He first spoke of the death of religious life almost 30 years ago.
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Lovely homily Fr Tony. God Bless you and your family at this time. May your sister Geraldine rest in peace.
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As Mr Bergoglio reminded us recently, each bishop is moderator of the liturgy in his diocese so it is Mr Nearyās call. Furthermore, Mr Flannery took a vow of obedience, so he should obey.
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Fr Flannery took a vow of obedience to his religious superiors and not to any bishop
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11:50am
That;s right, but he wasnāt obedient to his Superiors either, nor to the Redemptorist Order.
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Fr Flannery’s Irish superiors had no problem with him.
Trouble making others – maybe some like you? – reported him to Rome.
And the Roman SAS won.
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10.46
Are you promoting thought control?
Fr Flanneryās crime is to express an opinion favourable to the ordination of women.
Pope Francis upbraided clerical rigidity very recently.
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12;!2pm
No Iām promoting conformity to the Catholic Faith. This rogue priest was not and has be corrected from his erroneous views.
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12:59
From your theologically-informed perspective, what, do you believe is Fr Flanneryās fault?
Secondly, are you aware of the flawed and disreputable process whereby a determination was reached in his case? And if you are, can you justify it?
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Mikhalia Neary sounds like a hard hearted auld bitch. The last bit of power theyāve got. However, people are finding new ways to celebrate the sacraments without the interference or control of degenerates.
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1:32pm
The CDF found him guilty of heresy in his controversial views on various issues. I donāt have to justify anything. Rome has spoken the case is closed.
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Another blind Cathbot! The men who judged Tony Flannery spend their time in Rome’s gay saunas.
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Rome has spoken the cause is closed. Errant bishops used to hide behind a similar authority to hush up child rape by priests.
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2.19
Factually incorrect. Fr Flannery was not found guilt of heresy by any church institution. False premise, therefore everything which follows collapses.
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Unchristian.
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3:35pm
How do you know, were you there?
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3.35: You would say that, wouldn’t you? Fr. Tony, the man I know would have nothing to do with your vengeful vindictiveness. Never. He is the true PROOHET, not you, Ma Buckley.
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What is he? A true PROOHET? WHATS THAT?
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What a dignified funeral celebrated by a dignified priest. It shows who the better man is, and it isnāt the bishop.
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Does + Neary wear a wig? Something doesnāt look right
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I am unimpressed by the cowardice of Neary. The religious order Tony and his brother belonged to showed a Christ like response by inviting him to celebrate his brotherās funeral mass.
Neary looks like a coffin dodger sporting that ill fitting wig. If he has 1/10th of the warmth, sincerity and divine love displayed at Geraldineās requiem at his own, then he will be a lucky man.
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NEARY’S LETTER TO TONY FLANNERY
Archbishopās House,
Tuam, Co. Galway
Telephone: (093) 24166
Fax: (093) 28070. 16 SEPTEMBER, 2021
Dear Fr. Tony
I was very sorry to hear of Geraldineās death at the end of August, and I write now to offer my sincere sympathy and the support of my prayers to you, Frank, Marguerite, and the extended family.
Geraldine and I met on many occasions over the years ā usually after the 10.30 a.m. Sunday Mass in the Cathedral. However, I knew of her for many years before I got to meet her in person. Her reputation in religious life as a very fine teacher, a Sister to whom her students instinctively warmed, and someone who easily won the trust of students, parents and teaching colleagues, was already well established. Later, she used these fine personal qualities to great effect in her healing work as a lay person. Hers was a holistic approach to healing, and there are many who attribute their current good health to Geraldineās skilful interventions.
You may be aware that I was away on annual leave when Geraldine died. My normal practice is to visit bereaved families in the parish at the time of the funeral and to sympathise in person. When this is not possible, I write a note to sympathise with and support the bereaved family. I am sorry for the delay in this instance, and I am grateful for your reminder.
Please be assured of my prayers for Geraldineās happy repose, and for you, Frank and Marguerite as you carry the heavy cross of grief.
With every good wish and the Lordās blessing,
Yours sincerely,
+Michael Neary Archbishop of Tuam
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12.56: Pat, I am certain that Tony Flannery wouldn’t want you to have published this letter of sympathy from the Bishop, nor would his sister, Geraldine, have wanted this being published. Yet again, you have used a controversy and someone’s grief in a very selfish manner, primarily to gain traction against the Bishop. We may very well question the unkindness of the Bishop, but intruding into a famimy’s grief so soon and possibly without permission is an egregious insult and totally unwarranted. Fr. Flannery diesn’t need you to speak for him. Fr. Tony speaks eloquently, intelligently and rationally about his own issues and life situation. His human decency is obvious and though he is hurt, he is not overtaken by vengeance or vindictiveness of any kind. For me, his heart and mind are truly of Christ and I am disgusted that you find it necessary to use his grief to evoke anti Church and anti Bishop narratives. I know Fr. Tony very well and I have no doubt he will be unwelcoming of your intrusion.
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I am not a contact or colleague of Father Flannery’s.
Father Flannery published Neary’s letter on his public blog.
The death of Geraldine RIP is a matter of public record and Fr Flannery published a blog about not being allowed to celebrate her funeral.
I was deeply impressed by the funeral and Tony’s homily.
But I reserve the right to comment about any matter I wish and given the reaction of most of the readers of today’s blog, the public sympathy is with Fr Tony and his family.
I will not allow YOU or any other clerical or anonymous comment maker to censor me out of some preconceived or pious sense of right or wrong you have.
Now, piss off!
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Tony published the letter himself on Twitter
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Well said Bishop Pat. Massive support for Fr Tony and I would not have been aware of this hierarchical abuse had you not blogged. Thank you.
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4.18 pm. Bishop Pat
That made me laugh.
Call it as it is. Always the best way!
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Pat I love when you’re in this mood. š
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Was there a reason why Fr. Tony used the mass which ceaed to be late in 2010. Was it a case that he was giving the church a kick in the teeth for it giving him one. I am sure had he not a current missal himself, someone would have had one that he could have borrowed. They are not very expensive and can be got in all good book shops.
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1:46
Iām sure there was a reason. The process which produced the new translation has been shown to be hugely flawed. There are more than 10,000 changes which had not been approved by the church. And whatās more, the discredited instruction āLiturgiam authenticamā which produced the new missal has been unceremoniously shelved by Pope Francis.
And, in fact, the new missal came into effect, in Advent 2011.
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Monsignor Bruce Harbetās creation. He taught at Oscott and was a massive friend of Dorothy.
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I guess itās the missal he has used ordination and the one with which he is familiar. If you watched the video you will see that he recited the Eucharist prayer from memory. He was suspended a divinis in 2012. I donāt blame him with all the daft words such as consubstantial, incarnate, oblation, conciliation, ineffable, unfeigned, prevenient grace. Do you know what all those terms mean?
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Google and cheap printed dictionaries are available for those who don’t know what the words mean.
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3.29
Vocabulary is only one element of hermeneutics. Syntax, style, rhythm, ease and appropriateness of public proclamation are among the others, on all of which the translation falls short most of the time.
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What a bitchy madam.
This little exchange here is music to my ears as it shows how the RC cult has vanished up its own backside and will continue to die.
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I use the same Mass – the Mass of Paul VI
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You mean the mass composed by the free mason Bugnini and promulgated by Montini. Condemned by Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci.
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3.43 pm and 4.17 pm
Both anonymous
What a laugh! So funny!
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1.46 pm
Announce your name if your going to give a comment, you plonker, grow a pair!
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Says another anonymous plinkerā¦
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3.43: You don’t do irony, do you, ANONYMOUS!!!! Your name, pleaseššššššš.
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4:18pm
Patsy yar so naughty and bold, but you gave me a laugh.š¤£š¤£š¤£
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And with your spirit!
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Family is family, regardlessā¦ Canāt believe he looked for approval mad gratification for heās own sisters family, public, outsiders i understand, when it comes to my family, there is nothing and nobody will dictate otherwiseā¦.
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3.38
The āheāsā for āhisā bandit strikes again.
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The bitchy clerical trolls have been striking again today.
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3.38 if your correcting peoples grammer you must have a sad lonely life….
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I donāt know whatās the problem between o flannery and Bishop.
Its very sad and also indictment on Neary whose heart was full of stone. That says it all about him and rcc as well. and
The rcc legalese which bars flannery from entering it. No compassion at all so whatsoever.
His letter to cssr priest doesnāt excuse him at all cos he has to be consistent that his actions matches his words which doesnāt ā bar o flannery from entering the rcc and also wrote to him expressing condolences.
It doesnāt wash with me or some people or others. Consistent is the key.
Its sickening un Christian attitude coming from rcc big wigs like neary and other Bishops who supported nearyās move.
This is the reason we as people donāt listen to bishops on power ego trips, whose heart full of stone, no compassion at all whatsoever.
Can it be said for every Bishop in Irelandš¤š¤. If anything such as this incident re o flannery sister as it set an example to all of us that bishops are cold hearted, full of rcc legalese, obessesed with assets,arrogance, power trips, not christ like.
Neary attitude was the finest example of how rcc views us ā ourselves as outsiders, those with no voice at all like myself disabilities community et al.
The only that matters to them as bishops is power, money and sheer arrogance of āthem and usā attitude.
Rcc Ireland is gone and how long will that be? 20 or 30 years who knows?
Rcc is like an emperor with no clothes, all naked for everyone to see re their cover ups, arrogance, full of legelese barring o flannery, no belief, double lives, huge mansions, out of touch with the realities of the lives of many ordinary people out there.
That is not what jesus intended them to be. They created as they intended to be as opposed to jesus intentions.
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Simple.. flannery is not catholic
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Anon at 5.15pm
Unbelievable comment coming from you.
Many words that could describe u as heartless, no compassion, heart full of stone, arrogance personified, twisted, no empathy or legalese (just because heās not Catholic- wrong, wrong on that count.)
Donāt look at him as Catholic, treat him as a Christian or any other person even with different religion denomination or even as your enemy.
Treat him as if you would like him to treat you in the same way.
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I’m not aiming this at Deaf Guy š
The commenter at 5:15 is clearly not a Christian and it is abundantly clear that the RC church is not a Christian denomination but something quite different, which is all about power, obedience.
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@ the deaf (and blind) oneā¦ He is not catholic, he is a baptised Christian, catholics subscribe to the doctrines etc of the church as given. Flannery does not, thatās the reason he canāt celebrate a public mass. Your high and mighty judgemental arrogance is worse than Flannerys wayward ignorance of Christās church.
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But big Mick Lomasney was? I think itās more important to be a Christian than a Roman Catholic.
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5:12 That’s a very interesting comparison which I hadn’t thought of. One of these two died a priest in good standing despite the photographic evidence already having been presented to the bishop.
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anon at 6.28pm
Thank you very much š :):)
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And Fr Dick Dom Purcell is free to say all the masses he wants and prance about. There is something rotten in the State of the Vatican.
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Are you surprised? The Bishops will protect Richard at all costs. Richard is a moral vacuum. Fr Tony has principles and integrity. Such integrity is not respected by the RCC. How other clerics, so called men of God can accept the treatment of Fr Tony and tolerate the behaviour of the Lord Abbot is hard to believe.
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Yes you can do a man in a sling in the boiler house, bit opine on same sex marriage or women priests and your out. Laughable.
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Iām not sure Dom Dick requires a sling. On all accounts he is content with jumping on lads who are on the ground.
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I actually agree with the Archbishops decision. Mr Flannery publically does not hold the faith revealed by Christ and preserved by the church. As such it it inappropriate for him to preside at a public liturgy. I watched a little of the funeral mess he conducted: as I predicted he spoke of himself. His ‘sermon’ was egocentric.
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7.40: I admire Fr. Tony but there was nothing exceptional about his homily. I know itās difficult to officiate at a siblingās funeral. I wish him Godās blessings in his loss and Geraldine undoubtedly will look kindly on him.
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Fr Flannery is still a priest.
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7.52
So is Tom, Dick and Hugh at Irelands crematoriums they all dress up like Roman Catholic Priests and I feel so sorry for the families the Have a Requiem Mass and then down to the Crematorium for committal and the families must think they have a RCC priest when they have actors and Hugh Gormley should get an Oscar.
How do we know the Archbishop said NO when the Archbishopās letter said he was on Annual Leave was it the Vicar general that said no in the Archbishops absence.
It costs 100K to Educate a priest and they should pay it back to the parishioners they have let down.
I would never contribute to the Vocations collections as when I see what the last five years has produced it is very worrying.
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7.40
Not a very sophisticated defence of the bishop. Your most fundamental error is you confuse faith and belief.
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7.40
Not a very sophisticated defence of the bishop. Your most fundamental error is you confuse faith and belief.
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Canon Fire, not one of your confreres, including yourself, believes the faith. If any of you did the church’s multiple criminal activities and crimes against humanity wouldn’t be plastered all over the media.
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7.52: 7f Fr. Tony is so much acceoted and enbraced by his Confreres in The Reddmptorists, why didn’t he celebrate mass for Geraldine in the Athenry Community Chapel? I’m sure they’d have allowed it. If not, then they as an order are also unkind.
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He was allowed to lead the Mass for his brother, also a Redemptorist, who died last year.
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Bishop Terry Drainey, Middlesborough — Admitting to having very serious — and concerning — anger issues. MUST WATCH! VERY ALARMING!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzGlCp_qE0c
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Heās talking crap. He wrote a stinking letter to Fr. Alf Hughes who was director of junior clergy when he was PP of Whitfield, castigating him. Alf was a gentlemen and much loved. Many were bemused at his appointment as bishop.
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Why do Benedictine and Cistercian monks get away with immoral behaviour yet a decent priest such Fr Flannery is made an example of? Fr Flannery disagrees on theological grounds yet the Randy monks do their dirty business in private and are swooning over the nuncio every opportunity they get.
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Can you people on this blog not get real for a moment?!
Fr Tony Flannery has been barred from all public ministry by the Holy See. Even if Archbishop Neary wanted to allow him to say Mass in the Cathedral, that is not within his power to grant. It would require the CDF to allow it. Most of you fail to recognise that none of this is the Churchās fault, the problem lies squarely with Fr Flannery. He is the one who chose to distance himself from the Church. He is the one who chose to be disobedient. He has been presented with numerous avenues of reconciliation by the CDF, but has personally and deliberately chosen not to engage with them.
While it is unfortunate that Ms. Flanneryās request for her brother to preside at her funeral Mass at the Cathedral could not be granted, it is important to note that nobody has the right to insist that a particular cleric preside at any liturgy of the Church. This is particularly pertinent when the requested cleric has had his faculties removed and is suspended from all public ministry.
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The Redemptorists allowed him to Celebrate his brotherās funeral. The Italian Mission are one-sided and want him to renounce his beliefs.
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We know all about missions in Ireland. Look up the āAchill Missionā, and āsoupersā.
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8.43
Sounds as if you have had your critical faculties surgically removed.
Fr Flannery has expressed support for the ordination of women. No where does it say a candidate fir holy orders must oppose womenās ordination or must not express their support for it.
JPII tried to control peopleās thoughts on the subject.
Your language and shrill tone are those of yesteryear.
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@11.35 youāre behind the timesā¦. All candidates for Holy Orders are now required to swear the Oath of Fidelity and make the Profession of Faith. Subsumed within this is the magisterial teaching that women cannot be admitted to Holy Orders, which is to be held to be divinely revealed and āwith full religious submission of will and intellectā.
The sarcastic and bitter tone of your comment makes me think youāre a cleric from the dark years of the 1970s and 1980s. Get with the times grandad!
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11:50
The first mistake is the first word of your sentence: āSubsumed…..ā Says who? You might like to think so. But your likes and dislikes do not figure in evaluating this sentence.
Your second mistake is you fail to take into account that an expression of church teaching is only as authoritative as the reception by Christās faithful, of that formulation. In this instance, that has not been forthcoming so your reasoning collapses.
Thirdly, if as you claim, it is to be taken as divinely revealed, that women cannot be admitted to Holy Orders, Pope Francis would not have set up a commission to examine the issue of women and the diaconate., So hereās what you have to contend with: Pope Francis has set it up. If the answer had been a foregone conclusion, there would have been no commission. But there was. And there is.
Iād recommended you arrange for an implant of your critical faculties, formerly removed.
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What would Jesus do is a fair question. I donāt have enough detail on the barring from all public ministry to comment fairly. The priest, as in the case of +Pat from his own experience, found his own way.
The Pharisees got caught up in the law and not actions of love. Man-made canon law are being put before the teachings of Jesus, by those who claim to be followers of Christ and successors to the apostles. Hypocrites!
Pax.
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He was banned from using the stuff, Holy water poor baby!
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Not allowed to conduct a funeral service Bollix. It is the people technically who āownā the proceedings and request to use a venue. As an ordained priest of the RC Church his service would be valid but illicit. This too is shyte because no denomination owns Jesus. Sadly much organised religion is tribalistic and brand centred. St Paul was right Some for Paul some for Apollos but Paul himself is for Christ
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anon at 8.48pm
Spot on.
Yes its people monies that built the churches as people should have a say whether allow Fr Flannery or not to say funeral mass in their church .
Not the bishops.
Simple as that.
Bishops are using it for their own ends even a dictat which came from the Vatican curia. They are using people (from same parish) monies for their own endsā¦end of. No discussion is needed.
No consultation at all whatsoever with their ālittleā people which is the parish.
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Is not the covering up of abuse illicit, anyhow? All this talk of Canon law shite… x
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No, it was the church’s policy from the sixties. Unfortunately in many jurisdictions it isn’t illegal not to report abuse to law enforcement.
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You tell me the world is at my feet….
The world is an ugly place…
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Having the kindest heart will get you nowhere in this life….. , even you know that!
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Any confirmation pat if the taum Bishop has been elected and did fintan go for it?
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