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OPEN LETTER TO MAYNOOTH’S FOUR NEW SEMINARIANS.

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From left: Damian Kirkpatrick (Down & Connor), Will O’Shea (Cloyne), Ciaran Bagchus (Down and Connor), Mark Caffery (Meath).

Incidentially, Ciaran Bagchus, is from a lovely and good Larne family.

Dear Damian, Will, Ciaran and Mark,

It is interesting for me, as a priest for 45 years and a bishop for the last 23 years, to look at the four of you starting out on the road.

I was where you are 51 years ago.

But in 1970 I was entering a very different church. Priests and seminarians were a plenty.

I was in Holy Cross, Clonliffe, Dublin and there were 120 of us for the one diocese of Dublin.

You are 4 for the 26 dioceses of Ireland and it will be a great exception if all of you make it to ordination.

I would expect 1 of you to be ordained and maybe none of you.

You are starting to prepare to enter one of the most dysfunctional bodied in the world – the Roman Catholic priesthood.

You are also preparing to be an office holder in one if the world’s most corrupt organisations.

The priesthood is now a gay profession and I would expect that most, if not all of you are gay.

And there is nothing wrong with being gay. And there is nothing wrong with being a gay priest.

The RCC will insist that you all take a solelm promise of celibacy.

Please dont take that if you do not intend to try and be faithful to it.

Most of the priests in Ireland today are gay, and many of them actively gay.

Some of them are to be found in gay saunas. Others are seeking gay sex at truck stops. Others are attending gay orgies. Others are having sex with other priests and seminarians. Others are seducing male parishioners.

The last thing we need at the moment is one, two, three or four more of these priests. They are destroying the Church’s reputation and the faith if the laity.

You are now living in a hotbed of homosexuality.

It will be unusual if you are not propositioned by a priest or fellow seminarian.

And if you are not propositioned it will mean that your predators do not find you physically attractive enough.

It won’t be because they don’t want to cause you spiritual, emotional, psychological or moral harm.

As you progress in Maynooth keep the words of the St Peter at tge forefront of your mind:

Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour”. (1 Peter 5:8)

Damian, Will, Ciaran and Mark, only proceed to ordination if you are passionate about God and being servants of His people and if you are determined to purify the prirsthood and church.

And if you try to that – be assured they will crucify you!

WHEN YOUR DOG IS A PRAYER WARRIOR:

126 replies on “OPEN LETTER TO MAYNOOTH’S FOUR NEW SEMINARIANS.”

Once great Catholic Ireland reduced to four seminarians. I wish them well, and I will
pray for them. Bishop Pat has given them some wise words to reflect on. The RCC priesthood is broken, rotten, dysfunctional and this must be acknowledged ifit is to heal. Maybe these four are the future, will persevere and triumph. They certainly need our prayers.

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@10.58am Clearly, you know nothing of Fr Murphy’s high intellectual abilities and profound pastoral sensitivities. He is a fine choice for the work to which he has been assigned. There was no lobbying on his behalf. He joins Archbishop Roche, himself a wonderful leader of a department that is at the forefront of the Vatican’s holy mission.

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The Cavan prelate was/ is partial…a real thirst/ appetite for Kilkenny ale. Corleggy cheese better with a wine ! Many the Italian libations……

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It’s so frustrating that loyalist bands can simply ignore the ruling of the Parades Commission and do what they want. Why didn’t the police block the road and turn them back? Typical PSNI…. don’t upset the Loyal Orders, even if it means the catholics will be trampled on.

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Patsy Donated all his Latin vestments of yesterday year to SSPX Ireland out of Good will.
Sadly they were NOT Christian enough to say Thank You however Our Lord knows Bishops pat’s good intention.
It is NOT about Vestments it is about the Eucharist and Good Deeds.

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9.42
Dear Bella, (old fossil as another poster referred most unkindly to you), it’s all abour our Lord, Eucharist and good deads you say in one breath.
But in another you call Francis and others b****x.
Where’s your sincerity? I prefer Jim S.’s pretentious ramblings.

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It was very generous and liberal of you, Pat, to donate to the SSPX. I’ve always said that you are a liberal, liberal ie you have your views, values and express them, but can accommodate or at least tolerate the reasonable views of others, as seen in your generous moderation policy on your blog.

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They were all traditional Roman vestments. I wanted them to have a good home. I do not like destroying or dumping sacred articles.

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9:42am

Saddly did’t take long for Miss Tasteless to come on with her fables, how do you know what Patsy did with any vestments. Unless he confirms what you say I don’t believe you, and if he donated anything to the SSPX he would have been thanked. Sadly to use your favorite word “SADLY”, which you constantly use having a very small vocabulary, good vestments are used for the greater glory of God something you would KNOW nothing about. St Jean Mary Vianney who lived very frugally insisted on only the best vestments when he celebrated Te Holy Sacrifce of The Mass and they weren’t polyester. AMDG!

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11.24am No doubt you are another aul antiquated fossil fart. Them old vestments would have made a good bonfire.

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11:20am
I’m very sincere in calling his humbleness a bollox because that’s what he is. I’m glad you prefer The oul gossip aka Jim S, pretentious ramblings as you unkindly call them. You’ll
get plenty of them , sadly she’s never done rambling! I still say Patsy looked dignified and great in that picture, the very epitome of what a Bishop should be.

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Patsy don’t tell me the oul gossips been on the phone to you squeezing as much information out of you as she could. She’s infamous for it, just look at the poor Bishops and Papal Nuncios. But she’ll turn on you in a second if don’t play to her tune, if you’ve not already found out. Watch out watch out there’s a gossip about.😏😏😏

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1,10
“Proud” to be a Roman Catholic although I hate the clerical abuse and will use every breathe in my body to get them out the Sacred Priesthood as they are not welcome in Our Church.
Clergy leading double standards and not obeying Canon Law will also be asked to leave.
Bishops and Papal Nuncio’s must be informed of what is happening in the vineyard.
Please be rest assured every letter or email that a Papal Nuncio receives goes straight into the Papal pouch. (btw I was in Park Side) and what class it is but needing sold off.
Thankfully i am with an organisation administered by the Supreme Pontiff and not an organisation run by a Priest but no doubt they will raise him to the rank of Archbishop but just now he is a Administrator Priest in the FSSPX

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Good luck to the lads. Sad if gaydiology becomes more than theology. Why do people support an alleged way of life that seems not to care about God

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4::36pm
You don’t have much to be proud of and the way things are going if everybody leading double standards and not obeying Cannon law leaves you’ll be on your own pretty soon. As for you rambling on about the vineyard and Papal Nuncios needing to know everything they can certainly rely on you the gossip of all gossips. his humbleness won’t be happy at you calling him supreme pontiff, as he’s already given up the title vicar of Christ which he’s not anyway. If you think everything goes in to the papal pouch you’re truly mad, more than I thought you were. Anything they get from you goes straight into the shredder.

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here, the Rev. Crispin Pailing, Rector of Liverpool, gives a very articulate talk of modern art and, against the backdrop of the traditional Anglican church building of Our Lady and St. Nick’s, Pierhead.
Cris is the chaplain to the legal professionals and institutions of Liverpool.. didn’t we know.
— Father Crispin said: “I hope people will come to hear intelligent preaching, but we will also offer something to anyone who walks in.”
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJmYUOjE4Ms

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There were 86 of us in my first year class in Maynooth, and all the other Irish seminaries (Clonliffe, Carlow, Thurles, Waterford, Wexford, Kilkenny, Belfast and the Irish College, Rome) were all still open and admitting their own first years. The ordination class in Maynooth was bigger than the entire seminary community today.
Amy and co should resign for allowing it to come to this.

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12.04
Interesting statics at the beginning but followed by a superficial and peevish conclusion. Why not blame God?

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9:34,
The Episcopal leaders are supposed to be leading! It’s perfectly reasonable to call out their failure. Circling the wagons and an obsession with minimising scandal has done nothing to give confidence in the seminary environment.

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9.34am. Here on earth the bishops are given the role of leading, governing and teaching. If they preside over such decline they are responsible. I also suggest you read up on active will and permissive will.

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3.49
No need for such a grandiose sounding distinction which in reality is as simple as abc. I don’t blame God. The question was rhetorical but that went over your head. But then again, not surprisingly if you blame religious leaders for complex cultural, religious, sociological and demographic phenomena.

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No, the modern era of Maynooth as a pink palace with 26 Grindr users is far better.

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I was on SJYPS website. Lots of letters of gratitude for ‘generous donations’, sponsorship, monies etc. How much do these seminarians receive, and is there any truth in how the donations are used?

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@8.59am How distasteful can you be? These men should not be mocked. I suggest you withdraw your post.

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I wish them well.
I think being a priest must be an incredibly lonely life. It goes against what society views as normal. No wonder many turn to alcohol or worse. Perhaps as the priesthood dwindles in Ireland priests may be able to live in community, in priories, going out on Sunday to various Mass centres.

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Hope and the heart says – they love God, the Church and people and want to serve the gospel.

Hope and the head says – they joined because they are gay, are attracted to dressing up, being the centre of attention and are easily corrupted and lead astray. Money on they all leave before ordination.

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+ Pat, your “open letter” to the four new seminarians in Maynooth is cathartic. Yes, when you joined there were lots of vocations, but how many of these vocations were authentic? Did these men enter the seminary in droves because Ireland was poor and it was better option than going on the boat to England or to the United States? Did they join the seminary to answer the prayers of their mother? At the same time, many of these priests have served the church as best they could and faithful to the priestly vows.

There is deep dysfunction within certain parts of the church at the moment. Sadly, things are very bad in Ireland, but that does not come as a surprise. Let us be honest the men that have led the Irish church over the past five decades (apart from the odd honourable exception) have been disasters.

You were instrumental in highlighting the entrenched gay subculture in Maynooth; it has not changed. It is incredulous that a Deacon who was alleged to have been active on Grindr was ordained a priest having sworn a statement refuting those allegations. That is totally unacceptable. The deacon continues to maintain a low profile in his own diocese as his rarely seen or heard. Repeatedly it has been highlighted on this blog that a deacon from Northern Ireland had consensual gay sex on an altar with a deceased priest from Cork. In any other denomination this would be a scandal and have caused outrage. In Ireland, it is swept under the carpet and covered-up. These clerics were “formed” in Maynooth, so in my view of the world these four men should now leave Maynooth while their integrity is still intact.

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9.00
Cathartic? In what way?
And when you say incredulous, you mean incredible.
If you are ex-Maynooth, you didn’t read English there.

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9.00am. Expectations are so low and people are so innured to clerical misbehaviour it would have to be something really extreme to get a reaction nowadays. Consider, for example, how Fr Murray’s recent conviction got very little media coverage.

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Why are we so discouraging towards these men? It is sad that Pat should print this letter because it is written by someine who is not nor ever will be a model priest. The advice given might be useful but the the tone of the letter is so discouraging. These young men have thought seriously about this decision. In time they may discern differently. For now they need our prayers and encouragement. Good words of encouragement can go a long long way but the tone of this supposed concerning advice is so negative that it beggars belief since it is written by a guy who has no time for anything or anyone Catholic. We pray all these men will stay always close to Christ. Let’s wish them well by our encouragement. God bless them.

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9.04 Bp Pat strikes me as the arch “Catholic” down to Paul VI missal, just (apparently) less Roman than some. As for encouragement it comes in surprising forms. I would love 7 years free tuition in philosophy, history and Latin (though I’m told it’s not quite like that). If we pray for the world and our countries (especially Our Fathers and Glory Be’s), perhaps danger will advance less rapidly, but they should still not consider themselves bound.

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Bishop Pat is lucky that he has a lot of time in his hands to monitor a blog.
Bishop Pat should try Parish life as you do not get one church you can have three.

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9.46
I detect a benign envy and a mild resentment in your comment, perhaps you could swap your arrangements and start your own blog… and become as you put it ; “ lucky?”

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A model priest lol. I hate to think the evils you think a model priest would willingly ignore while focusing on the ‘positive’. Whether it was your intention or not you equate God with the institution.
Incidentally those who are not models usually have much more to teach us than those who conform.

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This is no time in history to entangle on aesthetic or even ethnic grounds. You are not a “priest for ever” not even in any pretend order or invisible prelature. Rome is not the city mentioned in Rev ch 21. Don’t go in “communion” with Asian haters. Put your sacrifice outside the door and find your brother somewhere else. Shake the dust of that town off you. Don’t go down into that house. And they returned by another way. It will matter less why they will leave.

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These four young men, probably without realising it, are entering in to clerical life and culture that has been shown to be damaging not only to them but to those around them. It is a culture of a lack of transparency, openness, culture, honesty, where duplicity, parallel lives and self-delusion abound, not to mention dysfunctional patterns of life and acting out sexually, which + Pat has outlines – cruising areas, truck stops, gay saunas, dark rooms, pornography etc. For the most part, these young men will be living a lie, and fooling themselves, and hoping to fool others. For a long time their predecessors in the clerical cabal were able to get away with this. No longer. We, the laity, are more clued up to the reality, and they will be surveilled closely. What is saddest about this is that these young men will not have happy, contented and integrated lives as seminarians and priests. They will always be trying to pull the wool over people’s eyes, trying to get away with things on the quiet, always worried about being found out, and constantly lying to themselves and the others. It does not have the makings of a happy future for them. I hope that they have a chance to read + Pat’s open letter to them, and to read the views and comments, so that they cannot say in the future that they were not warned. What parent or family member or friend would encourage these men to go forward to the seminary ?

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Today for Roman Catholic the World over it is the Feast of Saint Francis of Assisi.
Some of you should try and follow as every step help to build a better vineyard.
Lord make Me an instrument of Your peace
Where there is hatred let me sow love.
Where there is injury, pardon.
Where there is doubt, faith.
Where there is despair, hope.
Where there is darkness, light.
Where there is sadness joy.
O Divine master grant that I may
Not so much seek to be consoled as to console
To be understood, as to understand.
To be loved. as to love
For it’s in giving that we receive
And it’s in pardoning that we are pardoned
And it’s in dying that we are born…
To eternal life.

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9:49am
OMG Uriah’s rambling on again about the vineyard, she’s been in it too long and is in her usual paralytic state🤣 Its high time you got out of that vineyard and sober up and cut out your false piety.🤣🤣🤣

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9.49.
The Catholic Church holds that there are three “ states” in life…. Taken from the structure of a Roman Household. It is where many of the church’s problems emanate.
Your comment is iconic of its duality and polarity ( the church’s). The prayer contains the pronouns I and we . You are clear: “ Some of you should try….”

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On Monday, 28 June 2021, the Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science Simon Harris TD welcomed the publication by higher education institutions (HEIs) of their action plans aimed at ending sexual violence and harassment.
Have Maynooth published there’s? If yes, are all students and staff fully aware of it?

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12.30
Stalker you are a liar.
Stephen Wilson has said to me let you live in your fantasy if it keeps you happy.

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Spare a thought for the 4 girls these four left behind so they could pursue their vocation. Those poor girls. Remember them in your prayers.

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At least they will be safe from harassment by the Captain and being forced to view his underwear collection.

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I’m still bemused by the Prior business. If what seems to be being said about his inappropriate behaviour in Maynooth is true, and if it true that he was let go by the SJs from their novitiate because of his harassing of other novices / young men, then why the hell is he still in active ministry ? I’d really like an answer to that. Is it that all the stuff that is being said here is simply not true ? Or is it because bishops have just carried on ignoring such things and are just happy to have him filling a slot in a parish ?

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1.12
If you have proof of that you are legally and morally obliged to report it to the police.

No one expects you will do that.

You’d be charged with wasting police time.

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Pat, have you noticed that if you exclude Down & Connor the other two sems come from dioceses which featured in a bad light on your blog, Cloyne and Meath. Silverstream is in Meath. Therefore it would appear that scandals are good for vocations. Discuss.

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These new seminarians need further ‘red pIlling’ on matters clerical, ecclesiastical and criminality.

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For full stories see:

https://www.bishop-accountability.org/category/news-archive/abusetracker/

Catholic Church appoints independent abuse watchdog in Scotland to handle complaints against clergy members;
ABERDEEN (UNITED KINGDOM)
The Scottish Sun [Glasgow, Scotland]

Dromore Diocese redress scheme ‘far too small’ amid fears Malachy Finegan abused up to 100 boys;DROMORE (UNITED KINGDOM)
The Irish News [Belfast, Northern Ireland]

Editorial: Abuse victims deserve full disclosure
BELFAST (UNITED KINGDOM)
The Irish News [Belfast, Northern Ireland]

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Regarding orgies at the NAC, the original complainant went down the utterly futile path of writing to the Vatican and the nuncio. Two stamps wasted.

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I wonder if the four girlfriends stood weeping at the front gates of Maynooth as they waved goodbye to their ex-boyfriends?

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8.47pm Gay men are not to be admitted to seminaries. Pope Benedict said so and Pope Francis confirmed it. Therefore, only girlfriends. St Luke’s and the virginal old nuns who decide who gets into Maynooth require that a sem have had romantic relationships before signing up. Ergo, girlfriends.

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Well to quote Pope Benedict, ‘It’s ok if they’re only prison gay not coot queer’, so not necessarily.

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In a way, Bishop Pat, you have guaranteed these men’s ordination. The bishops ordain men to spite you eg Sean Jones and the Trolley Dolly.

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4.12: Your smugness is totally shameful and anathema to the gospel. You are NOT OF CHRIST. Nope…Just as well you don’t recruit for vocations: any man would want to be so fecked up and very dysfunctional to follow you.

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I hope Garnlad is ok.
Could anyone confirm that Monahan was an advisor to Neary when CG news broke out and thanks.

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Thank you DG. The Garngad Lad is fine. It has taken 6 weeks to arrange a funeral for a close family member. Such is the effect of covid on everything including funeral arrangement. Covid was not the cause of death. During which, I have had a series of health scares and tests. Thankfully Cancer has been ruled out. Just a minor treatable ailment.
Actually, I did post twice n support of PB yesterday about Cahal Daly presiding at his father’s funeral. However I did not use Garngad Lad.
Keep safe and do not let the bullies silence you.
God Bless

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Garngad lad at 8.42pm
Im really glad that you are ok re health scares and so forth.
Hows your hearing now ?

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I see they now merge the Maynooth classpieces by combining two years and only doing a classpiece every other year. The small numbers made it embarrassing. At this rate they’ll be doing one a decade.

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How many newbies joined Oscott Seminary this year ? Now, there’s a really odd place. Definitely lives up to its name of Gayscott.

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Pat, I’ve had two vaxx jabs, so am not a sceptic/denier and I’m glad we have the vaccines.
However, I think that for children the risk of vaccination outweighs the benefits, given that covid is is not a risk to children. Do you think parents, rather than children, should have the final say on whether their children are vaxxed?

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I think adults and children should have the freedom to choose whether to have the vaccine or not. I have not taken it but that should be my right.

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I don’t know Ciaran Bacchus, but Damien is a very decent guy. He’s worked with young people in West Belfast for more than a decade, and he didn’t go in to this decision blind… we had many a conversation about the difficulties ahead. Ciaran and Damien have already completed Year 1 in Villadolid so aren’t going in fresh. Notably, four from Down and Connor arrived in Villadolid a couple of weeks ago for their first year.
I wish them well, and pray for them. I could never survive diocesan priesthood, but there are good and faithful lay people in Ireland who need caring and compassionate sacramental ministers, no after how disastrous the clerical state has become!

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Damien’s a Shinner. He wouldn’t have been accepted for the diocese in Cahal’s day.
Damien took part in a BBC vox pop, during which he said:
“In the Kennedy Centre in nationalist west Belfast, Sinn Fein voter Damien Kirkpatrick said the party should not be expelled from the political process.
He said: ”They should be kept in the talks at all times because it isn’t them with the guns. They are not a paramilitary organisation. They should be kept in on the principle that they have votes like every other party.
”Personally I feel that it’s an insult to Sinn Fein voters to exclude them from anything. They haven’t done anything.”

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He’s a good guy, whether you like his politics or not.
To be honest, he’ll not be the only Republican ordained! He is very open to community relations work – a process that encourages honesty and openness on opinions

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I’m sure Brother Malachy Thompson will pay them a visit. He loves chatting with the young lads.

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Interesting comment. This is something I was told recently. I often wonder if Fr Richard is taking the heat for the Cistercian order. We have no idea what is going on behind the monastery walls. Richard has made the mistake of being deviant outside the monastery.

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Why do moaners, lapsed Catholics and motormouth media pundits claim that the Church is anti-woman when Maynooth has just appointed its first lady president? What more do they want?

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That is Maynooth University, the board of governors are independent of St Patrick’s College. Your comment is somewhat misguided and misinformed. Best not to comment when there are evident gaps in your knowledge.

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8.31
St Patrick’s College has just appointed its first female Dean of Theology.

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For your information, three representatives of the Trustees of St Patrick’s College sit on the Governing Authority of MU, so they did approve the appointment of the female president.

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I would say it is wrong for any vocations director to recommend a young man become a priest

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9.49: What an offensive, gratuitous insult to Magdalen survivors. There is no comparison, Pat. This is absurd. The Magdalen women cleaned your laundry while a student in Clonliffe and Waterford!! Do you ever feel guilty about this abuse which we as students benefited from? We, Pat, were silently complicit in the abuse of these women behind walls. It bothers me greatly at times. That is why comparing a seminary to a “Magdalen” laundry is offensive. I have encountered some women in the parish where I work who were incarcerated in these laundries and I look back to those student days when these women probably scrubbed your clothes and mine. They would have appreciated the comfy life of a seminary instead. Shame on us now.

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So true! Emotional, psychological and spiritual abuse. The formators are as wicked as the auld bitch nuns.

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@ 9:58: very true.
I think back now to the reality that I never, for one moment, thought about who or where washed my seminarian laundry back in mid 1960’s. Still remember my green coloured laundry bag’s tag FH32. The bags were left at bottom stairs outside college’s “shop.”
We never saw them go or return: just knew they were done in some Dublin convent’s laundry. We were obliviously starting off on the clerical path of expecting “others” to cater for us.
Sowing the seeds of clerical exceptionalism.

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At 9:48pm – poor wee girls, in those laundries, presided over by wicked nuns, having to hand scrub the skid marks, piss spots and spunk stains, out of the sacred underpants of the holy young seminarians, with carbolic soap.

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While deciding to catalogue a book by Evelyn Voss Wise on priestly life in Baltimore, I found that it wasn’t as sentimental as I thought it would be. Indeed I had no clue about the Great Fire of Baltimore in 1904 which greatly affected the main character’s poor parishioners. The author made the asthmatic priest responsible for the upbringing of two orphan boys and for the care of his housekeeper.
I mention this because it is pleasant to think of a good priest although he comes from a book published in 1946 when Pius XII, the last Roman pope, was gloriously reigning.

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