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216,000 CHILDREN ABUSED BY FRENCH CATHOLIC PRIESTS !

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Over 3000 priests were incvolved in the abuse if the 216,000 children.

This figure covers from 1950 until now.

The number of children abused could rise to 330,000.

The majority of the abused were boys between the ages of 10 and 13.

While the commission found evidence of as many as 3,200 abusers – out of a total of 115,000 priests and other clerics – it said this was probably an underestimation.

In 1996 there were 27,000 priests in France.

In 2006 there were 20,000 – a drop of 7,000.

What is the figure now after another 15 years?

PAY SAYS:

These abuse figures from “the oldest daughter of the Church” are alarming and horrific.

It means that upwards of 3200 French priests abused children in a period of 71 years.

This is not sinply a problem.

Its a MASSIVE and WORLD SHATTERING problem.

Its a good enough reason for the Republic of France to seize all the possessions of the RCC in France and to ban the RCC in that country.

Its a good enough reason to imprison any bishop or priest in France who abused a child or covered the abuse up.

France is already anti-clerical.

It will be much more so from now on.

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206 replies on “216,000 CHILDREN ABUSED BY FRENCH CATHOLIC PRIESTS !”

Moskito… Balls…. 🤣

Silence is golden as they say…. church and clergy have mastered the art of that skill for yrs!

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Those pesky mosquitos! I suppose it’s alright when pulling all the strings from behind the consistory curtain — destroying innocent lives in the very process. One must assume that’s politics, hey?
However, once said curtain is pulled back all becomes more the clearer — and level — across the whole field… 🦟

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Isn’t it amazing how the city has changed over the decades; just where does all the time go? I suppose I’m just a bit of a nostalgic kind of girl, always have been. I was mortified, at first, when they got rid of the old Dolly tubs! It was only after the Liverpool City Corporation brought in the “new” washers that I realised just how much of a nightmare they were.
Then they bricked up all the cottages, as well. It’s not the same anymore, is it? 😢
“The same women come each week at the same time —- and there’s always plenty to talk about.”
.https://youtu.be/cxpAVCan4CQ

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10.07: What the f**k is this crap about? It has nothing to do with The horror story of clerical abuse in the French church. Get a grip, you fool.

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This Liverpool head the ball shows up from time to time. Those of us here know who he is and he has been before the Courts.

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10. 07 bit harsh.. what has nutrition and anti vaxers got to do with religion…
People were called stupid yesterday…
Today their fools….

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@10.07pm Liverpool has nothing to do with the subject of today’s blog. Please stop your indulgent irrelevancies by concentrating of what, today, is a very serious situation facing he Church. It was very trivial and very wrong of you to neglect it.

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Abuse us always a serious subject, including the covering up of abuse. Whether by the Police, Civil Court / corrupt judicials / Anglican, and Roman bishops

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On what day and under any circumstances could that crap about Liverpool be of any interest to the blog?

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Your comments about Liverpool are not very kind, are they?
Abuse and the systemic covering up of child clerical abuses are very much of topic for both this blog and for more importantly for the city of Liverpool at this very sad time. Bishop Pat, when this news breaks it will be very damaging for future ecumenical relations, not to mention a very uncomfortable and akward void to filled by the new Anglican Bishop of Liverpool.
The damage caused is immense and will leave a very real feeling of pain and a frightening lack of trust in both the Police and the the legal arena of the city (including judicial circles!).
They tried to cover it all up, and with catastrophic consequences. And the lengths and practices they used were barbaric to say the least.

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Just about every comment I put up is random or not relevant…
I did think it was relevant for the readers to know what I had for dinner yesterday and that I saw the cutest little kittens 😅🤣

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Similar figures for Ireland next, I guess. Doesn’t the French State already own ecclesiastical property? I’d insist Notre Dame is re-opened as a multi-faith centre of worship and end RCC exclusive use over the building.

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I think certain Muslims have inflicted enough horrors and pain on France without controlling Notre Dame as well.

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And the RCC hasn’t inflicted enough horrors and pain by its priests sexually interfering with little boys?

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8:50 shows the developed conscience and adult responsibility of a Roman Catholic by immediately pointing at someone else when his church is found out.

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Dear people trying to distract from the church’s abuse:
It is very kind of you to help those who say the church is an irresponsible, criminal cabal, intent on taking no responsibility for its crimes.
Keep going.
And if you’re now going to pretend not to be Catholic or priests – nobody else would troll Pat Buckley’s blog.

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The French Government offered it back to the Catholic Church quite some time ago…. The Catholic Church declined the offer… adept at knowing how advantageous the use of the building was/ is without the costs…. Mind you they don’t get much of the revenue it generates either. It was one of the most beautiful spaces in the world… natural or generated.

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You do know that a French President is a Canon of the Lateran. The only one I am aware of to take up the entitlement in my lifetime was Sarcozy….. now under house imprisonment.

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France is already anti-clerical.
It will be much more so from now on.
BOO HOO for the Roman Catholic Clergy. Any sentient being would be able to put two and two together to figure out why. This Anti RC complaint is just another Gaslighting technique.
ONE Child’s life is one too many and that’s not unrealistic. These are human lives and futures , not football stats.
The RC Church is Anti-Social ..i.e. anit laity. FULL STOP
They need to quit giving sermons of feeling looked down upon and start getting their sexual morals and mental health in order.

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11:51am
Exactly, but the bollox @. 9:09am does not want to hear that. Just wait till we hear the statistics about the Muslims and other non-Catholic organizations, the wokes will be up on arms as it would be not considered PC.

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Ah, another helpful comment, this time kindly demonstrating that the cathbots are driven by hate, racism and don’t want a sensible discussion. In fact probably want everyone else slaughtered.
A marvelous demonstration.

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Yet again, the Catholic Church is utterly shamed or should be. There are no words to sufficiently express this horror over a 70 year period. I believe that soon there will be an international investigation into the crimes of clerical sexual abuse and cover-up by Church authorities. A totally independent body of forensic psychologists, psychiatrists, police personnel, academics and historians must thoroughly investigate the world wide culture within the Church which allowed this horror of abuse to happen, sometimes knowingly. While the Church has made efforts – by force of civil authorities – to change much to prevent abuse, the on-going revelations and various reports warrant a totally independent scrutiny. As a priest, I cannot trust the Church authorities any longer to radically change and renew itself. This report is shattering for all victims and survivors and resurrects their trauma. The primary and foremost contributory factor of anti clericalism and anti church sentiment is the criminal sexual abuse by clerics and the lack of honesty, responsibility and transparency by Bishops. And who can blame once loyal Catholics for deserting what many of us (priests) believe is a quickly sinking titanic? The French report is a damning judgment of the Catholic church worldwide. I just hope and pray the French hierarchy will immediately respond to survivors and that survivors receive the necessary support they ask for.

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It should be shamed, but it won’t be and will continue to lie, deflect and cover up.
Frankly since the church is obviously about crime not religion at this point, that isn’t surprising and is what will force states to control it.

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1:37pm
Yet another unhelpful comment from a Catholic hater, the only ones likely to slaughter anyone is your friends the muslims they’re renowend for it. It would include you as you’re not one of them.

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11:32 pm
Begin with a National investigation into the crimes of clerical sexual abuse/cover-up by Church authorities. A totally independent body of forensic psychologists, psychiatrists, police personnel, sociologists and historians must thoroughly investigate the culture within the Irish Church which allowed this horror of abuse/cover up to happen in Ireland to include the assistance by State agencies in facilitating covering up for Church authorities.

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Maybe this is something that the common law court can advance as individual state courts are all in on the cover-up together with the prosecutorial systems in every country in the World.

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My favorite bible passage is the one where Jesus says, ‘Never write anything down so there’s no evidence’.

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Matthew 13:30

“Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.”

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12:15 pm What is the Matt: 13:30 supposed to mean in the context of today’s blog topic?
Are you condoning abuse and covering up of child rape by Episcopal leaders, or what?

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UJ as the new Pippi Longstocking
https://nypost.com/2021/09/30/archdiocese-of-newark-could-pay-in-ex-cardinal-theodore-mccarrick-sex-abuse-case/
That’s no problem, the neos will send the black bag round
https://apnews.com/article/europe-religion-trials-london-vatican-city-2213fff3d492899a15254ad911d1d0a4
The VCSC keeps a few dodgy deals to hand to enveigle unwary and unworthy dissidents into (misplaced sense of duty had hindered them from declining a post, resigning or leaving)

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As we see yet more evidence of widespread RC clerical abuse, this time in France, ( by that I mean sinful actions contrary to behavioural actions those clerics preach as absolute central requirements of their religious beliefs), how are we to believe that these clerics really believed in all the gobbledygook they professed?
I, for one, believe that a very significant proportion of RCC clergy are inveigled into the clerical profession from cradle Catholic indoctrinated backgrounds and youthful idealistic naivety. They eventually realise it’s one big massive confidence trick of no foundation, but by then are “sucked in” to perpetuating the myth from lack of alternatives and the comforts of an undemanding lifestyle of exceptionalism and privilege. The weird demands of celibacy and clerical insularity have given rise to the abusive behaviour now being revealed worldwide.
In essence, religion is a farcical confidence trick piggybacked onto human insecurities.

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While secular authority subscribed to real spiritual values, the ethic among a subset of clergy bosses was, they are there to keep us in order, but nowadays these are saying secular authority are there to make an “arrangement” with.
Ordinary laity “could” be told God was beyond understanding because they didn’t have much idea that God valued their individuality. The system carried on where “the absolute” was ensconced in “idealist philosophy”: Latino places, Jesuit France, Hegel’s Germany.
Duns Scotus’ qualms were with a distorted concept of God’s having characteristics (albeit we only know a small part of the story). Any child understands God’s characteristics when honestly told, and any child is able to appreciate real paradoxes.

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The notion of the Superman, elevated above common morality, came to Nietzsche and Hitler from the French. Combine that with clericalism, and you have the utterly weird “spirituality” of the likes of Thomas Phiilippe, who was the sexually abusive Dominican priest who inspired Jean Vanier in his own Jimmy Saville -like crusade of public philanthropy combined with vicious sexual abuse in private. Look him up online. There really has to be some serious scholarly analysis of this phenomenon, since it has now become clear that many sexually abusive clerics, imams, rabbis, gurus and other religious alphas don’t think that they are doing anything wrong. BTW, the French State already owns most of the property that the RC Church in France uses, which is why Macron was able to utter his batrachian burble about immediate restoration even before the fire was finally put out at Notre Dame.

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Dylan Elliot in her seminal work Corrupter of Boys exposes how the RCC has been covering up the sexual abuse of its clergy for millennia – France exposes it’s dark heart – but clearly if it is 330,000 victims in France then what is it in the UK,USA, Australia, Ireland?
This is what the pontifical secret is all about – keeping stum on this above any other – they’ve known for ever that Catholic priesthood attracts paedeophiles like bees to honey.
Their worse fear not that people lose faith but that people stop giving coin.

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2% to 4.2% of priests are paedophiles.
115,000 equates to 2,300 to 4,830.
The figures for paedophiles in the general population vary and appear to be in the 0.5-5% mark.
3,200 equates to 2.78%.
Note: The French commission was set up in 2018 after Pope Francis passed a landmark measure obliging people who knew about abuse in the church to report it to their superiors.
Pederasty has been a problem for centuries. Absolutely vile creatures carried out those scandalous crimes. Minimising scandal must be abandoned. Honesty and integrity will clear the Church from the vermin infestation.

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Strange, considering you’re minimising it yourself.
100% of the bishops from the 1960s until forced to stop by the threat of prison, covered up and facilitated the abuse, lied to families, protected criminals by moving them across borders, etc.

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Seamusviii
Pope Francis continues to try and do his best but he really is up against it.
they were praying for his death only weeks ago.he has changed Canon Law to get rid of Bishops.
God help whoever succeeds him in years to come they will need to be strong and show Strong Leadership.
It certainly has and is a curse on the Church and you only need to look at Ireland and the UK and the standard that’s coming out the Seminaries.
Archbishop Eamon Martin will be rejoicing in the French report thing that Ireland is not the worse.

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10:58 Oh, so Ireland is not worse than the french report! How the hell do you know?

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Ireland is worse. It has just not come to light. Perhaps, better put; there lacks here the honesty of the French process.
Irish Bishops need identity cards just like the priests… one year life to them ! No priest shoul accept a Bishop in the sacristy without one !!!!

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10.15 that’s bloody hilarious…
You just won the Internet today…. 😂😀

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@ 3:02 pm
Most likely far worse. We exported clerics to the four corners of the globe. Meanwhile, back in Ireland, abusive clerical cover ups went on for generations. See John Cooneys article from 2006 where he highlights a secret house for ‘immoral’ clergy was set up by Irish Catholic bishops who were so appalled 60 years ago by evidence of immoral behaviour among priests.The bishops secretly authorised the setting up of a ‘House for Clergy Under Correction’ in Waterford. According to Cooney, admission to the House was open to not only priests attached to the Irish dioceses but also priests attached to dioceses in Britain, and Irish priests generally, whether secular or religious. Openness, honesty and transparency, please, bishops! End the complicit silence.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/secret-house-for-immoral-clergy-set-up-in-the-1940s-26373790.html

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I wish people would refrain from making excuses for The Pope. He is the head of the organisation and could have all the priests, bishops and cardinals arrested, jailed and excommunicated in a heart-beat. He could also sell every Stock, Share and property owned by the church to put it into a trust for those who have been harmed and start the church afresh from a humble new beginning.
Would this not be the moral thing to do?

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I am sorry to burst your bubble but your tendency to under estimate the problem is a tacit enabling trait.

The reality is that the numbers of victims coming forward needs to be multiplied by X10 to reach the real figure of those typically harmed because of the stigma and shame that reporting what happened to them can make them feel that it will damage their family, their job prospects and just how they think people will view them or talk about them.

The real problem lies in that there will be between 10 and 20% of all staff members of the church who will be paedophiles and around 50 to 70% who will be Paedophile enablers.

Sadly, the system designed by the church will tend to expel the good priests whilst retaining the crooked one’s so it is probably a much higher percentage than perceived.

The French’s libertarian society already makes the abuse of children a sport rather than an evil which can be evidenced by still allowing incest to be not criminalised or frowned upon.

The protection has to stop and there must be proper atonement.

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You cannot just blame the perpetrators while giving the enablers a get out of jail free card. The reason this is a problem is that the system is designed to allow CSA to flourish. It is deliberate and planned. Not a coincidence.

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FSF 12:37,
Who are the enablers? The bishops? The system has been ingrained to minimise scandal. Where perpetrators have been moved on, those sanctioning the moving of perpetrators must be prosecuted.

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Bergoglio in time to come will be exposed… unlike Woytiwa whom they call a saint to lift him from the mire he would be in.. in the eyes of “ the Faithful “…he debased that currency greatly, having created more “ saints” himself than almost done in the test of history!!

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And what of the formators that carefully assessed these abusive priests for at least 7 years and deemed them suitable for ministry?

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Upon enquiry among the People of God and those concerned with their training, they were found worthy.

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It will not be long before we begin to hear all sorts of minimising and excuses for what has happened in France and in other countries in the Roman Catholic Church. Namely, the usual Nichols appeal to it not being that bad really, and that most sexual abuse takes place within families. Which is supposed to minimise what has happened in the Roman Catholic Church. We will hear about lay schools, and clubs, and Mosques and Protestant Churches where abuse has happened. Shorthand for saying it happens everywhere and there is nothing different or unusual about it happening in the RCC. Well, that may be so. But, we are talking about the RCC, which has special characteristics that elevate its responsibility and its sin. Firstly, that it purports to uphold the Gospel, next that it does so in a Church and clerical culture that is based on a distorted and unhinged understanding of human sexuality, so that its leaders / clergy lead dysfunctional, parallel and duplicitous lives, and they spend an inordinate amount of time and energy foisting on to people their unhealthy interest in sex and relationships. Also, it’s institutional discriminatory misogyny which minimises and demeans 50 % of the world’s population leads to an arrogance which finds its expression in all kinds of odd behaviours and attitudes. So, I will not tolerate even the slightest diminishing of what has happened in France and elsewhere. Which will happen, trust my word. We should accept nothing other than sack cloth and ashes from the RCC. As to those clergy who believe that non of this has happened on their watch, and that they knew nothing – well, the same excuses have historically been used by criminally complicit people and nations for centuries. Think Germans who knew nothing about the wickedness of the Nazis and the concentration camps ! We didn’t tolerate that then, we should not tolerate such clerical excuses now. In fact, every priest and bishop is complicit in what has happened and continues to happen, because they are at the centre and core of an institution that is build on the discrimination and dysfunction that I have mentioned before. They are complicit by their presence and their proximity. It would be great to see a few bishops and priests say that they are so shamed and humbled, and realise their own complicity, that they give up their ministry and clerical status and make their own independent way in the world. That would speak volumes about the gravity of the situation. I doubt if we will see that. Life is much way too comfortable in the clerical cocoon, even a discredited, despised and criminal clerical womb.

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Piss off @10:05. If you haven’t the patience or the wit to read them then go elsewhere for your tabloid input.

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10:08. Full marks for your pithy expression, though you lose points for courseness. Keep trying; you’re getting there.

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I hope priests and bishops read this kind of comment. It will let them see just how despised are the clerical culture and those who inhabit it. For too long people have been too deferential and made excuses for them. It is about time that they owned their own responsibility. No wonder you rarely see a priest walking around publicly in a clerical collar these days. They know from the looks their receive that they are viewed as suspicious and that people despise them and what they stand for. If the Church is to save itself, it needs radical action and reform. Are we going to get it ? Do they even know what to do ?

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10.06 am anon
I know a priest who wore his cassock walking through the town centre.

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2:54: Betty, give credit where credit is due. At least he wore something even if a cassock.

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9:21 has written very well in some of his criticism. Today is not a day for the ills of society. It is a day for the Vatican flags to be flying at half mast. A time for sack cloth and ashes. The RCC has special characteristics that elevate it’s responsibility.
9:21’s criticism is harsh on 95.8% of priests and 95% of parishioners. Episcopal leaders are supposed to lead. A bishop decides if an evil padre moves on or not. That’s the responsibilities of Episcopal leadership.

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Diocesan “secret archives” need abolishing. I guess most dioceses have already gone through them shredding any incriminating evidence. Every project should have a personnel file which he has access to – redacted if necessary, to protect a third party.

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When Cathal Daly arrived in Armagh he had two questions; How much money is there? and… Where are the secret archives? The secret archived in Sean Brady’s time were stored on top of a table in plain sight.

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Watch the clerics on this blog and in the media – rush to minimise, excuse, deviate and dodge this industrial strength abuse and comer up.
They don’t understand, no, refuse to understand that the damage is irreparable and rather like a failed state, this failed and failing institution is destined to be reduced in size, money, influence and status – all of which they crave.
Most clergy I know only care about the comfort of their retirement- my hope is that because of massive class actions all over the world this criminal organisation is bled dry like they have bled their victims dry for centuries.

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Every bishop is an expert shredder as are their secretaries.
How do they sleep at night?

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Oh yes they do…they follow orders in the hope of getting a pointy hat or a bigger pointy hat.

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Even in the bad old scheme, they had the right to decline any orders. Ouellet is glad of all this because it is the swilled distraction from Asian hating.

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I left active ministry and now work in the professions. I would be embarrassed to reveal that I was an RC priest. The world assumes them to be sexual deviants and nonces. So embarrassing.

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Me too. I was horrified by what I saw and experienced among fellow clergy, particularly an ingrained laziness born out of entitlement and an inflated sense of self and position. Also, the undertone of the clerical culture which was inordinately interested in titillation and sexual gossip and innuendo. And the realisation that so many of the clergy were living secret lives across a whole range of behaviours. And then the plain unhappiness and dysfunction that came from their realisation that they were caught and trapped by this life. I’m glad I came to that awareness and was able to move away and establish a life that is much more honest and happy. I feel sorry for the priests I left behind.

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Well done @ 12:40 & 11:05.
Like you, I got out too, but before ordination . For some time afterwards I was reluctant to say I’d “almost been ordained.” Nowadays I don’t mind who knows, for I see it as a great positive to have quit such a dysfunctional organisation with no basis for it’s existence in truth or reality. And I say so quite explicitly when honest enquirers ask me my reasons.
Initially it was surprising to find a few enquirers commenting about their own doubts. Now I find the great majority agree that the RCC represents a farcical myth, and what limited religious involvement they have is typically lip service to fall in with community or family perceptions at times of rites of passage.

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I am glad I am gone from the caste….. However I had a friend of 37 years standing…. In my leaving I lost that friendship for complicated and convoluted reasons ( a married man with children). That friend said to me many times that the most genuine people he had ever met were those he encountered in Maynooth during his time there… he has been in a few college s / training places. I agree with him. It is the life that the church perpetuates for its clergy that causes the global carnage. My point is separate to the abuse of children and minors.
In that regard, as i blogged in 2018, when it comes to that matter and bishops; think Suetonius ; The lives of the Cesars… the 12 of them. Putrid and grotesque those cover up merchants… you think Bergoglio is sitting where he is today if he was not iconic of them?

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Active ministry as opposed to passive ministry. What you would think of as tops and bottoms, ‘father’.

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Why do countries still fete the RCC with tax reliefs? After all this vile and inhuman behaviour, it should lose its privileges.

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A Commission of Investigation into clerical abuse of children and vulnerable adults, including cover ups, must be established to investigate ALL dioceses on the Island of Ireland, dating back to 1950. Such an investigation on the Island of Ireland is long overdue, otherwise this subject will continue to come up for years to come. Ireland is considered the ground zero of abuse cover up in the Catholic Church worldwide for very strong reasons.

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Person: Priests keep committing abuse and other crimes.
The church: it’s society.
Person: nobody wants to be a priest or religious any more.
The church: it’s society.
Person: people don’t go to church any more.
The church: it’s society.
Do you all keep staring at bits of bread to stop yourselves seeing where the problem is?

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11.32: Person: what’s the definition of crap? Society: Anonymous at 11.32, otherwise referred as morons and liars.

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The report on child sex abuse in the French Catholic Church details 6k victims 1950-2020, and estimated 200k victims nationwide using a huge sample poll.

But this accounts for 4% of abuse in France 1950-2020. Society should not think this is only a Church problem.

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Ah, the + Nichols argument, trooped out every time in order to minimise what has happened in the Catholic Church. Concentrate on that egregious wickedness that has been committed by the priests and bishops of the Catholic Church on the most innocent and vulnerable. Concentrate ! Then you might begin to see the earth shattering enormity of it.

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1;06 pm; Of course all victims of abuse matter, but the focus of this blog is exposing the corruption, abuse and criminality in the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland and internationally.

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1.06: While this blog is primarily about church criminal abuse and corruption, it is correct to state clearly that there is a huge amount of abuse of children, vulnerable and intellectually challenged people taking place in society. We focus rightly on the Church from whom much is expected but other abuses are happening on a huge scale. This observation has been made by experts who work in various agencies but somehow our sense of rage is not activated to the same extent as when church related abuses occur. Thus, much pain, hurt and suffering is happening on a daily basis. Our society should outrightly condemn all and every abuse in an equitable anger. The church will collapse in its present structures quicker than we imagine. The “essence” of following Christ and being a community in his name must alter and change NOW. Today, with the French report, the Church worldwide has fallen deeper into shame and sin. We need the people in our parishes to rescue us. While it may seem shallow, today especially is a day when I feel very disillusioned more than ever with the Church and priesthood for allowing, facilitating and covering up the horror of sexual abuse crimes. I pray that all survivors will receive justice and compassion from the Church.

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2:42 has written very well. A very sensible contribution.
People who are against the Church, have a high expectation of the Church. They are fully right to have a high expectation of the Church. Episcopal leaders must strive to ensure that the Church sets a good example for all of society.
Some contributors on here have made the point that new bishops are very well aware of safeguarding and their responsibilities. Is a fair distinction being made between the pre-safeguarding era and the current day safeguarding era?
Pax.

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5:02 pm
No, Seamus. There is no fair distinction to be made between the pre-safeguarding era and the current day safeguarding era. Historic abuse cases are still covered up. Safeguarding MUST be independent of the Church. By the way, historically, the Gardai assisted Episcopal leaders in covering up abuse cases.

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You have to laugh at the Romanists’ attempts to minimize.
Abuse in the church is different because nobody else claims to be the divinely appointed channel of grace and salvation to the world.
It is different in the RC church because while it has gone horribly wrong elsewhere the church’s explicit policy was to cover up, which was followed by all the bishops and the international coverage of the church meant this far reaching policy had great impact.
But you keep on in denial, it’ll just bring closer the day when you’re controlled by the state.

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When I was 14 new teachers came into my school and told us we should consider “having” sex before marriage – partly with girls who were apparently supposed to start thinking it fashionable. Now their granddaughters fatalistically resign, while boys are in dread of or relish a near rapist-like future. Depression and lack of self vision do not constitute moral “consent” whether the law of the land might coincide with morals or not.

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They seem to have estimated many times the number of confirmed victims through some kind of sample polling?
Does anyone know where the actual report can be found? Or how they went about this?
It seems like a unique approach not used anywhere else I’ve heard of.

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There’s a much more reliable way to go about this actually, which is to assume any priest is a kiddy fiddler and any bishop is a cover up merchant, until proven otherwise.

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1:31,
Based on upto 4.2% of the priesthood? Mathematics is your strong point alright.
There has been a failure of Episcopal leadership. It’s terrible, abhorrent and absolutely scandalous.

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You wait until people start to look at what is happening in 3rd world countries, particularly in Africa. It will swamp what we have seen already, bad enough though that is. Entitlement, corruption, dishonesty, secret lives, abuse of power – you name it.

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12.42.
Your point has foresight and truth. Many a returned missionary is working or was working in an Irish Parish without a shead of paperwork or history of appointment.
When one Michael Hickey arrived in the Archdiocese of Armagh, he worked in it for 17 years ( approx) . There was not one piece of paper to his appointment. His link was Sean Brady. Rome. I do not attribute anything other than fact to my stated point. Hickey and the psychologist in Sierra Leone had governance of U.N money.
Many a missionary in Ireland from Africa without provenance papers! He presently works for Kevin Dorian in Elphin….who would have us all think he does all things with honour and integrity! 😂😂

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William Mulvihill.
Bishop Kevin Doran said name them that you make accusations against in his dioceses and it is Doran not Dorian.
Office@elphindiocese.ie
Emails are checked regularly.
Likely No contact from you Bill.

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The Catholic priesthood as lived currently in the RCC is toxic and dangerous, both for priests and for the laypeople of the Church. Why do they keep flogging a dead horse ? The know it is not fit for purpose, and yet they still encourage young men to go to seminary in order to live this kind of life which will damage them and others. Surely, the pope, bishops and priests realise this themselves ? So, why do they not do something about it, instead of still going on about what a wonderful sacrifice and service to the Lord it is ? My own view is that there needs to be a cataclysmic collapse of the Church in order for people to wake up and salvage the good essentials that do exist. It will come.

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I would have no impulse to contact the like of Kiven Dorian. I know why he is in Elphin.

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He has a clergy man who made in back to Ireland without any paperwork, compliments of the Wounded Wounder.
I wonder why. Rhetorical question. Reference the RCC method …..

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I contacted K. Dorian on several occasions by land line in connection with his outrageous public utterances a few years ago. Funny. I never heard a word.

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5.08
You appear very sensitive. I made no accusations against anyone. But once again dull Dorian applies.

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Bill
It is Doran.
And you know it is not true if you do not want to contact Bishop Doran give Bishop pat the information and let Bishop Kevin Doran be challenged or do not make false allegations.
I wholeheartedly agree brady should go but Eamon will give him a big send off and really Eamon wishes it was tomorrow so he can get a Red Beretta however I hope IF there is a red Beretta for Ireland it goes to Archbishop Farrell.

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6:44 pm
Is it yourself, Jim?
Did you or did you not acknowledge back in June, you are not naive enough
to think some bishops don’t continue to cover up abuse?
Now, tell the truth and shame the devil.

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You know I often wonder the wisdom of your very liberal comment policy, Pat, but today the comments are showing its wisdom.
What do the trolls expect to happen except to make the church look even more irresponsible, dangerous and criminal?
Whoever they are and whatever their intention is irrelevant because they are helping the church’s fate along nicely. 🤣

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I honestly don’t know why you bother to write a blog, Pat. I read your bit, which is always thought provoking, but I don’t understand why you let eejits comment. Some of the comments admit to being just random nonsense. I assume it’s a cleric or former seminarian who has previously appeared on here.
You clearly have something to say but what do you think allowing these comments achieved?

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Cue the beating of breasts, apologies and promises of zero tolerance of abuse from the Vatican before doing fuck all l, as usual.

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He/him. Gracehoper, husband, father, grandfather, Anglican Bishop & Coverer Upper!says:

Hello friends, peoples, dears, etc… The Church of England used to be in a spiritually dangerous place: cushioned by privilege, in the middle of our society and at the top.’ Today, however, it is often ‘on the edge and underneath — marginilised, not always taken seriously, sometimes mocked. But that is good news, because on the edge and underneath is where the people are… 😁
+ + + DUPLICITOUS FACADES, PEOPLES + + + YOU MAY: FADE TO GREY + + +
… [It] goes on to argue: “… that a Church that knows justice and Jesus is a Church that can best accommodate our rich and diverse communities and embody the hopes of future generations.” 🙈 🙉 🙊
Stillness, reflection and quietness / aka / I’ve Fv@ked up BIG TIME!
Very sad and upsetting, all round, really. Very sad.

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/france-catholic-church-sexual-abuse-minors-inquiry-finds-216000-victims/
French Catholic Church inquiry finds “veil of silence” hid abuse of 216,000 minors over 5 decades
Updated October 5 2021.
Paris — “An independent inquiry into alleged sex abuse of minors by French Catholic priests, deacons and other clergy has found some 216,000 victims from 1950 to 2020, a “massive phenomenon” that was covered up for decades by a “veil of silence.”
The landmark report, released Tuesday after two and a half years of investigations, follows widespread outrage over a string of sex abuse claims and prosecutions against Church officials around the globe. But as CBS News correspondent Chris Livesay reports, the French inquiry involves not only the latest revelations about abuse by Catholic clergy, but possibly highest number of victims ever identified by reports and investigations that have been carried out worldwide.
When lay members of the Church such as teachers at Catholic schools are included, the number of child abuse victims climbs to 330,000 over the seven-decade period.”

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-44209971
Catholic Church child sexual abuse scandal
“From Australian country towns to schools in Ireland and cities across the US, the Catholic Church has faced an avalanche of child sexual abuse accusations in the last few decades.
High-profile cases and harrowing testimony given to public inquiries have continued to keep the issue in the headlines.
In the most recent development, a damning inquiry found that some 216,000 children in France had been sexually abused by members of the clergy since 1950.”

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I’m a retired priest and this is most unfair. When I was young the children were a perk of the job.

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The Arcdiocese of Melbourne in my time there had the most enigmatic of filing systems for its clergy. Dialogue is good. If anyone is interested I can outline it ?

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The Archdiocese of Melbourne took care of its clergy… a healthy lot generally speaking…. well taken care of…. Through some far seeing priests and what they put in place… not the bishops.

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3.24 the principle is a known one for the locality and neighbouring ones, but it needs filling in, in view of who it is so crucial to. A policeman has only just been compensated (perhaps not enough) for being hounded by his employers. Who would want to be a policeman round there now?

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Isn’t it the international website for the order? One ordination might not make it or they might be behind?

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It is the international website for the order. Normally first professions solemn professions ordinations are posted in the news section. It was updated today.

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Bombshell report says French Church, not churchgoers, must pay compensation to more than 200,00 victims but bishop says it can’t afford to.
The French Catholic Church was on Wednesday forced to defend calls for churchgoers to pay for compensation for tens of thousands of victims of sex abuse via donations, saying neither it nor the Vatican had the funds to do so without help from believers.
Debate over compensation came a day after a major investigation revealed that French clergy had abused more than 200,000 children over 70 years, with the number soaring to 330,000 when including abuse by lay workers.
One victims’ group put the scale of compensation at up to 10,000 euros per person, meaning the Church would have to stump up €2 billion euros.
Jean-Marc Sauvé, head of the commission that compiled the bombshell report, said that it was “up to the Church to take on this burden” as an institution and by taking money from the “estate of abusers” rather than from Catholic donations. Claims should be handled by an independent body, he added.
Jean-François Colosimo, a historian and theologian, told Le Parisien: “(The French Church) should be able to pay”.
However, Archbishop Eric Moulins-Beaufort, head of the Bishops’ Conference of France, said without donations it would have “difficulty” doing so.
Selling off property would be hard, he claimed, as “most assets are churches that thus don’t have much architectural value and are unsellable”.
“Our real estate doesn’t bring us in anything, it costs us money,” he said. All churches in France built before 1905 belong to the state. However, the Church owns around 3,000 built after that date, along with around 50,000 buildings for pastoral use.
As for the Vatican, the archbishop said: “It’s in chronic deficit. We are the ones who send money to the Vatican every year,.”
The Holy See’s income is from donations, real estate management and investments. In March, it said it was running a deficit of €50m due to the Covid pandemic and plummeting museum admissions.
Pope Francis on Wednesday expressed sorrow for the abuse in France.
“I would like to express to the victims my sadness, sorrow for the trauma they have suffered and also my shame, our shame, for the church’s inability, for too long, to put them at the centre of its concerns,” he said at his weekly general audience.
Asked what the Pope thought about demands that French victims of clerical sex abuse receive compensation, the Vatican spokesman did not respond.
There was also no response to the question of how the abuse in France was allowed to continue for so long.
Several hours after the pope spoke, a Vatican court cleared two priests charged in connection with alleged sexual abuse in a youth seminary in the Vatican between 2006 and 2012. The trial is the first in the Vatican concerning sexual abuse that allegedly occurred on Vatican territory.
It remains to be seen what the French Church will do with the report and its 45 recommendations. It is due to come up with an action plan next month.
In the meantime, a close adviser to Pope Francis suggested that similar inquiries should be launched in other countries.
“The ecclesiastical authorities in other countries must now have the same courage as the Church in France. I’m hoping that Italy would do this,” said Hans Zollner, 54, a Jesuit priest and key counsellor on sex abuse issues to Pope Francis.
Responsibility for the scandal in France is “systemic and institutional. Criminals were treated in a negligent way and they were actively hidden.”
When asked if French bishops should resign over the scandal, he said: ”If a bishop has not done what the law of his State, and Canon Law, demands of him, then yes.”
President Emmanuel Macron reacted to the report on Wednesday by saying he “hailed the spirit of responsibility of the French Church, which has decided to look at this issue in the face as other Churches across Europe, in particular, have done”.
“This work must continue with lucidity and calm”, he said, adding that it should be seen in the wider context of “protecting children” from abuse in all parts of society.

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Seriously how is this news in 2021?
Priest= paedo and if you don’t like it ask your bosses why they covered up.

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6.20: Yours is the comment of a pervert. Undoubtedly. A sick lie. It is an evil comment. Simple as.

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7:03 My comment can’t indicate I’m a pervert. After all it’s not like I’m a priest…

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That’s not fair, not all priests are like that — but their complicit silence over the abuse of kids and vulnerable adults is akin. The damage caused by this silence is just as painful as the original abuse; if not, worse.
People, kids and vulnerable people, need to be safe – this must be number one priority.

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“a Vatican court cleared two priests charged”
Timing is everything. Spare a thought for the younger one whose parents entered him there with ideals he tried to share.

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Pat, more info from Pandora related to Vatican financial crimes trial.

https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/welcome-to-miami-vatican-defendant

Welcome to Miami’ – Vatican defendant bought condos with shell corps
News: Vatican finance trial

” According to a cache of recently leaked documents known as the Pandora Papers, which detail the flow of money through offshore and unregulated holding companies, Crasso used two companies to purchase luxury condos in Miami, one for more than $1 million, and one for more than $2 million.”

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My other favorite bible passage is the one where Jesus says, ‘Suffer the little children to go to the Church of Satan, because they have mandatory reporting and the kids will be safer with them than my nominal followers, who are an embarrassment to me’.

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No paperwork Bishop Doran. No paperwork. Armagh appointment of your engaged clergy person.

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Bill
It would be excellent and courteous if you could email who you are speaking about.
All Clergy need Visa’s and cleared by immigration also the dioceses they come to have to pay their previous dioceses as well.
So go on Bill who are you speaking about.

If you do not want to contact Bishop Kevin then complain to immigration.office@elphindiocese.ie

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6.52
Pay attention.
Your idle protestation is tiresome entirely.
Book a flight to Sierra Leone…..if you are so interested!

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6.40: Back up your accusation, Bill. Give proof. Be brave. You certainly know how to write but not very legible or discernibly clever. But – when you make an accusation, we expect proof. What and who are you referring to?

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who is ‘we?’
Put your name to your question….since you mention bravery.

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The one thing clear from the comments today is the true believers are still in denial and still aren’t responding to their church’s criminal holocaust in an appropriate way. 🤮

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The Spiritans were founded in 1703 Paris France. They were industrious. CSSp….like something out of the USSR!

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8.12: Vive la Daisy Chain Mulvihill….I’d put one around your neck William: will you allow me do so up close and personal?

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Pat, many commenters today have made some serious points, though some are bitingly hard to take, though very honest, especially from men who have left priesthood or who left before ordination. Their reflections are very searingly honest. I do not share their dismissive comments about religious beliefs but can understand very much their present analysis. I accept the awful realities now facing the church and its priests but I’m unable to offer a different way forward which will enable a rebuilding of trust and integrity. The self inflicted damage is like being pierced by sharp icebergs that are sinking us quicker than we ever imagined, This time the icebergs are the sexual abuse scandals, evil carried out and perpetrated by men of God. We live with a horrible testimony and legacy of betrayal and cover ups, corruption and denial. The French church has produced some great founders of religious orders and has many acclaimed saints and it is almost beyond comprehension to know what has occurred in France. I suspect we will have further reports on other countries, Italy, Spain and others…No cleric should ever minimise the depth of hurt and pain caused to thousands of children and of survivors. Only the full TRUTH by an independent body of professionals, as in France, will be acceptable in unearthing all church abuse. Some commenters today have referred to the Catholic “thing” – religious beliefs – as gobbledygook and fairy tale stuff and superstitious and being irrelevant. Pat, I wonder if these commenters consider that the religious beliefs you espouse through the Oratory are also in the gobbledygook and fairy tale genre? Or are you perceived as divine? However you are seen, the blog is useful for an honest analysis of present crises in the Church, however difficult it is to hear the TRUTH!!

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The Episcopal leaders know the extent of abuse corruption cover up and denial. The People of God along with general public don’t know it’s extent.I doubt if the Vatican will permit unearthing of all Church abuse in Ireland. In my view it will have to be demanded
by the people.

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But you are not ‘Men of God’. How can you be?
If you were you would all be exposing the Paedophiles and Paedophile enablers to the authorities and naming and shaming the devils within not hiding behind the corporate protectorate.
You all talk about letting the Truth be known though the Heaven’s fall, whilst knowing in your hearts that the church is protected and will chastise itself and then do absolutely nothing to stop their sport of choice and continue attacking children.
You need to be honest with yourself. That is where it starts…

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William Mulvihill.
All that is being asked is for you to name names and any issues would be addressed but if you do not name names then how can it be addressed if needed.
You have made allegations earlier that Bishop Kevin Doran has illegal Clergy in his dioceses of Elphin over the past seven years so let the records be corrected.
Your allegations against Sean brady that’s fine he maybe thick skinned.
Bishop Kevin Doran is front runner for Tuam however if he is operating a small dioceses as you say illegally then he cannot go to Tuam.
So be honest an name who you are referring too as it is unfair to other overseas Clergy.

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I most certainly have not….stop filling blanks i never left. Pay attention to my words…not the worries of your mind.

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I named the cleric who was appointed to Armagh without any paperwork. None. Canonically up the left. He is now in Elphin. His name is Michael Hickey. No wonder there is such disarray when your ilk cannot follow through on a clearly laid out progression on this blog today…all with my name stated.

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8.06: William, you are caught…tell us the truth of your allegations or shut up .. be careful with lying.

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8.55
Fronteunner? Who says? The whole process is shrouded in so much secrecy that no one can make such a claim with any level of confidence that it is true.

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Jim gives the impression he’s privy to who is getting what when and where in Britain and Ireland. Jim, who continues to cover up? Spill the beans, Jim.

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So far we have 26 contributions from Wm. Mulvihill and they are so disconnected one from another and written in an enigmatic and awkward style that it is difficult to understand the relevance of his comnentary. Oh to be an ex priest with so much free time…Ah..the good life continues for Willeen…with all his savings and art he seems comfy…

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You could make me a daisy chain with the time you have for counting…..then, of course, its not the season. You are the dot joiner.

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Pat, it’s got to the stage where I’m so disgusted and worn down by these unending abuse cases in the RCC that I want to turn to the Anglicans or some other church and see out my days as a member of a different church.

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9:18 the priests and people of the diocese of Winchester recently got rid of their autocratic bishop and similar is coming in London, proving that the troll at 9:42 is a liar.
However Catholics are conditioned to think they have to belong to a church and have to go to their parish church. There is totally nothing wrong with shopping round or being freelance for a time. In fact I think the future will increasingly look like that because there are many, many people in your position.

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11.00: 9.42 while brief isn’t “a liar” because look at the way so many C of E churches are in with Luther Pendragon / Marjie Zacharias / New Wine / Bethel / Bill Johnson / Smyth / Fletcher, some of which affairs are out of the hands of local bishops because certain “societies” or “streams” (namely highly funded and agressive cliques) have the stranglehold. This is no better than when the NCW or the “traddies” or the “LGQ+ bandwagon” or the various “knights” or this “set” or that “set” have been given controlling influence by hook or by crook in RC dioceses or deaneries (through bad influence from the archbishops).
Some politicians will tell an unpopular C of E bishop it’s respectable to retire at retiring age and the same politicians will ensure another numskull gets in (there are a few that aren’t numskulls). Thus if one chooses to bother one should look sharp and be prepared not to attach. Some of the Methodists or Baptists aren’t bad, but we should look sharp everywhere. My mother told me when small not to let other small people rob me of something small. Shouldn’t we be wary of big organisations robbing us of big things namely our credence?

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9:18: Exactly why do you need an “intermediary” church with all the evident clerical misfits that entails? If you believe in an almighty all knowing all powerful God, then why don’t you just communicate directly with Him, or Her, or It, …………if you really want to continue with religious delusions that is?

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11.03 I was fortunate to be brought up that Mass was an extra. But when I was middle aged a sodality I had joined brought in a different agenda after the first few years, then one has to decide how actively to extricate oneself.

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No one seemed to pick up on the claim made some time ago here that some Dublin clergy were invited to a meeting where someone quizzed them about ‘particular friendships.’ My initial response was laughter. Laughter at the idea of applying a category employed with teenagers at a time of raging hormones to adult men. Was whoever was responsible for the post serious in this day and age, in 2021?

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