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FATHER PETER FLANNERY – REDEMPTORIST.

E MAIL TO IRISH REDEMPTORIST PROVINCIAL.

DAN BARAGRY

Dear Fr. Baragry,

I address you as the Provincial of the Irish Redemptorists about certain matters that have recently come to my attention pertaining to the late Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R., who died on November 13, 2020.​

As you are probably aware, I am “known” for blogging about contentious matters in the Irish church. On September 24 of this month, I blogged about that your confrere, Fr. Tony Flannery, C.Ss.R., celebrating the funeral liturgy of his late sister, Geraldine Flannery, in a private home.

Notwithstanding, the canonical prohibitions on the priestly ministry of her brother, Fr. Tony Flannery, C.Ss.R., I was, however, surprised that the funeral liturgy was not celebrated in the Redemptorist Church at Esker.

It is clear that the Flannery family in their early years were faith-filled. The fact that the three (3) Flannery brothers entered the Redemptorist Congregation is evidence of same. Two (2) of the brothers remained and were ordained to the priesthood (Tony and Peter) but Frank Flannery left became an important and influential figure as a political consultant and the Director of Organisations and Strategy for Fine Gael. And, I understand that the late Geraldine Flannery was a nun of the Mercy Congregation, who was teaching for a number of years.

The travails of Fr. Tony Flannery C.Ss.R., with the Holy See are well-known, and they are not addressed within the present. However, I do wish to address a number of issues that are brought to my attention following the publication of my blog on September 24.​

To my considerable surprise and shock — several people contacted me and brought to my attention a number of very serious allegations about the behaviour of the late Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R., and as a consequence of same the purpose of this e-mail is to ask a number of important questions of the Irish Province of the Redemptorists.

Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R.

It is alleged that the late Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R., had a deeply unhealthy interest in young girls, and that his behaviour towards/with young girls was morally repugnant and potentially criminal? Are these allegations true?

Is it true that this alleged behaviour of the late Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R., was widely known within the Irish Province of the Redemptorists and had been ignored/covered-up for a conspicuous period of time?​

Is it true that following a number of incidences that led to complaints that the Irish Province of the Redemptorists had no choice but to commence an investigation?

Is it true that the allegations against the late Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R., were deemed to be sufficiently serious/credible that they were delated simultaneously to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life at the Holy See?

Is it true that the competent Dicastery, i.e., the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith upon completion of their investigation upheld the allegations made against the late Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R.?

Is it true that upon completion of the penal process the late Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R., was permanently stripped of his priestly faculties by Decree?

Do you know of any time during the process did the late Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R., petition for voluntary laicisation?

Can you shed any light behind the reasons why the Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R, was not forcibly laicised?​

Was this due to his co-operation with the process or was perhaps due to the fact he was at that time an older man; beset by a number of serious health conditions?​

Did the Holy See exercise the prerogative of mercy with respect to the late Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R?

It is my understanding that in the last years of his life, Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R., did not enjoy good health; hence, the prohibition on his priestly ministry was meaningless as he was not in a position to publicly minister/function as a priest due to his ill-health.

Were the allegations made against the late Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R., referred to An Garda Síochána? If not; why not?

If the allegations have not been referred to An Garda Síochána — do you consider that they should be now referred to the force?

Did the Irish-based Redemptorist Congregation pay financial settlements to victims of the late Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R.?

If so; were these financial settlements approved by the Superior General of the Order? And, as an aside: were the financial settlements paid from the reserves of the Congregation of the Most Holy Redeemer (Redemptorist Congregation) or by its insurers and/or a combination of both?

With the passing of time — if the actions of the Redemptorist Congregation were subjected to an independent review would you be confident that the actions of the Irish-based Redemptorists were compliant with Code of Canon Law and civil law of the Republic of Ireland?

Would the Irish Redemptorists welcome an independent review of its handling of the complaints made against Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R.?

Were the allegations made against Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R., referred to An Garda Síochána? If so, to which police stations?

Do you know if an independent investigation(s) into the allegations made against the late Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R., were conducted by An Garda Síochána? Do you know if An Garda Síochána then sent the results of their completed investigation(s) the Director of Public Prosecutions?

Are you able to shed any light that underpinned the reasoning of the director of public prosecutions not to bring criminal proceedings against the late Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R.?

Why did the Irish-based Redemptorists NOT make a public announcement about the allegations and invite alleged victims of the Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R., to come forward?

Since his death has any other complainant(s) come forward and to make a complaint(s) against the late Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R.?

Following the publication of the Cloyne Report, the then Taoiseach Enda Kenny, launched a blistering attack on the Holy See condemning what he considered its obscurantist attitude. It was noteworthy that Fr. Tony Flannery C.Ss.R., was very supportive of the statement made by then Taoiseach. He is reported as saying:

“I was happy with the Taoiseach’s statement . . . Many of us priests are frustrated with the way the Vatican conducts its business”.

Are you in a position to proffer any insight why his brother, Fr. Tony Flannery C.Ss.R., has maintained a steadfast silence about his deceased brother?​

Was he unhappy with the way the Holy See treated his brother?

Is Fr. Tony Flannery C.Ss.R., unhappy with the fact that the Holy See exercised the prerogative of mercy in favour of his brother?

Do you consider that Fr. Tony Flannery C.Ss.R., should publicly condemn his brother if the allegations about the late Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R., are true? He has been very quick to castigate other officials in the church. Hence, I would submit that his silence on this matter is peculiar, troubling, and very surprising in light of the fact that he is willing to proffer an opinion on everything that is church-related.

Do you know if these allegations about Fr. Peter Flannery C.Ss.R., were known to his brother, Frank Flannery, was previously remarked with a significant political figure in Irish public life?

I would be grateful for a prompt acknowledgement along with answers to these questions within five (5) working days.

With prayerful best wishes,

+ Pat Buckley

PAT SAYS:

My information in this matter came from a number of sources including a senior canon lawyer who has knowledge of this case.

These are important matters in the context of the need for totally transparenency in ALL cases of abuse – given the RCC’s tragic history of cover up and lack of transparency.

This is also an important case given that relatives of the deceased priest aee very prominent in Irish public life.

The Redemptorists, unsurprisingly, have not acknowledged or replied to my email.

149 replies on “FATHER PETER FLANNERY – REDEMPTORIST.”

I was interested to learn that Fr Ryan Holovlasky, the first Redemptorist priest in 10 years to be ordained for their Irish province, is ex-cabin crew (Emirates).

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He is training as a canon lawyer and has been observing marriage tribunals in Manhattan. Imagine, the Reds get their first new priest in 10 years and what do they do with him but turn him into a canon lawyer, which is a lay job if ever there was one.

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Ryan had an odd relationship with Mullaney. I think the running away from South Africa was not the mature reason to reconcile with the SCJ.

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It’s a well worn path, trolling down the aisle of a ‘plane to trolling down the aisle of a church. Doors to manual….!

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Kieran O’Callaghan is the the priest you need to talk with Pat. He’s based in Clonard Monastery.

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He could do the annual Belfast Gay Pride Service if Fr Egan’s too busy to do it one year.

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11.11
And which illustrious career did you pursue before your current profession?
Go an read the lives of the saints and you’ll get some idea of where God calls people from?

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And 9:49, you’re still a ‘rent boy’ to one of the most corrupt institutions worldwide.
Selling your ‘soul to the devil!’

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Hopeful, of course like all religious things there will never be such clear evidence.
Usually a call to priesthood is found among the person’s gifts. These may include covering things up, holding exhibitions of their underwear and giving good head.

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10:24: When God “calls” what language does He use?
Is it an audible one? Has anyone got any recordings of such calls?
Surely production of such materials would once and for all clear up this continual negativity and atheistic hostility against the Holy Believers?
I’m a very sincere believer in evidence so please do help out here.

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A wee tip Harry. If you do get some reply with evidence of the “calling”, keep it to yourself. Y’know if you can produce this as concrete evidence that God exists, get in touch with the Nobel Prize organisers. Bound to be worth a prize solving a conundrum millions have been working at for , …….thousands of years at least, and worth a bob or two as well.
😇🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

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Saddened to hear this news. Is it true? Did any case go to court? Why the silence? Is the canon lawyer breaking confidences by giving information to Pat and can all information be accurately corroborated. The Reddmptorists do not owe Pat any a accountability. Pat is a private citizen belonging to a private entity. If he – Pat – has evidence, he must go to Gardai.

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11.42: I totally agree with you. If a canon lawyer has broken confidences he should be exposed. And if Pat has provable genuine concerns if abuses committed, he is m8rall obliged to go to Gardai. It is very dangerous to engage in making allegations in this blog thriugh innuendo or hearsay. I am shocked too of any representative person gave information to Pat. If there is TRUTH it must be provable and corroborated.

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Oh heavens forbid a representative should spill the beans.
Crucify him crucify him crucify him…

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11:42
What is the obsession with the Garda on here. I don’t know about Ireland but in the UK wasting police time is an offence, and personally I’d love to see you given community payback. Ideally working in a graveyard because it might knock into your idiot head that the dead are beyond the law.

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9:53, it’s perfectly reasonable to ask if the allegations were referred to the Gardaí. It’s kind of expected for a suspected abhorrent criminal offence.

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Lol clearly, you’ll, oblivious to the fact that Gardaí are a national embarrassment, to say the least or else you’re one of them. However, your post seems too well written for one of that lot, lol

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That’s Tony for you. Archbishop Neary says Tony fibbed when he blamed Neary about the funeral of Tony’s. It was nothing to do with Neary.

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9.44
Where did Rev Neary say that? Substantiate your claim that the bishop called the priest mendacious. If anyone is a liar, it’s you.

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10.07 hasn’t read the article. TF says MN refused the funeral. MN denies that. Only one if them is telling the truth. I believe MN.

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10:07 Don’t forget some commenters here have the ear of bishops and nuncios and even know when the pope changes his socks. They don’t feel the need to justify personal comments made to them.

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10.17
The CDF may have decided to ban Rev T. Flannery from exercising priestly ministry.
Who made the decision to apply that ruling in Tuam on this occasion and not to make an exception on humanitarian grounds in the case of Ms Flannery’s funeral? Bear in mind that Rev T. Flannery presided at his brother’s funeral in Limerick late last year.

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Neary would not go against Rome. His brothers funrrsl took place in a Redemptorist church.

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One way of hiding the skeletons in your own cupboard, is to go around rattling other peoples’. I always thought that Tony Flannery had something to hide. He’s been too shrill.
BTW, have you come across this yet?
https://www.ncregister.com/news/the-formation-of-a-new-priest-who-abused-minors-how-did-he-slip-past-seminary-screening-policies
Here you have a conclusive case of a predatory paedophile very recently getting himself ordained as a RC priest, simply in order to abuse children, create child pornography and set up a child abuse ring. The huge importance of this case is, that the Diocese of Cleveland’s seminary did all the right things as regards psychological vetting and training, background checking, internet firewalling and filtering, etc, and he fooled everybody.

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Hey, what’s new ? Think Jolly in Oscott. How did he get through there with no one having a clue as to his predatory and criminal proclivities ? Or did they ? And then he went on to commit offences within a short time of his ordination, and is now in prison for a long time. The Oscott people are a load of amateurs with little clue about anything about proper formation, making it up as they go along. Jolly will have had an instinctive ability to fool people Not a good mix. And, see what happens….

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8.54 – he didn’t exactly get a long time – 3 years and 4 months. Which is a shame

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Reading the linked article he sounds like he might have quite a marked personality disorder, in which people think everyone is pretending so they just do and say the right thing.
Certainly well beyond the ability of amateurish formation staff to detect.

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5:38, that’s a shocking case of an evil person. What safeguarding steps are Grindr taking to protect minors?
Is everyone who has used or uses Grindr now to be all labelled a kiddie fiddler?

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All dioceses, religious orders (male and female) societies of priests, on the Island of Ireland must be independently investigated.

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Wow, + Pat, that is a long list of difficult questions. However, they should be asked. And, they need to be answered, fully and honestly. I don’t agree that all this stuff is private to the Flannery’s and the Redemptorists. This priest acted in a public ministry, and therefore his behaviour should be a matter of public record. We should know what action the Redemptorists took, whether they referred to matter to other authorities such as the police, whether the matter was considered by the Vatican and what action was taken. This is a matter of discovering the truth and seeing justice done, both in the interests of those who are alleged victims and in the interest of the alleged perpetrator, who if innocent is rightfully owed a declaration of innocence against any accusations. So, transparency, truth and justice are paramount and essential, and should be seen to have been achieved. You cannot achieve these good things in secret and in the dark. We know where that got us in the past. So, uncomfortable as it may be the the Flannery’s and the Redemptorists, they have a moral duty to answer your questions and we have a right to know what has happened, and what decisions were made. This is not a private matter. It affects us all.

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Yip, @ 8:53 am “… Transparency, truth and justice are paramount and essential….” I couldn’t agree more; these are indeed absolutely essential in an equal and fair society, the world, today— you could call it a kind of ‘Rule of life: Pray, Read and Learn..’ but we are not looking for any a weak or empty attempts at keeping up facades, are we? Oh, No; that just won’t do!
Bishopricks and their empty words of “lip service” is fooling nobody: most certainly not the people of our rich and uniquely diverse port City of Liverpool…
Nobody is EVER too old to stop learning — and even the retired are always learning amazing and fascinating, magnificent even, new things. No? Oh Yes; that’s the Bishop’s rule; after all.
Thank you, peoples, dears, etc.
THEATRE And THEATRICAL ACTS
* * Mac Flecknoe * *
“All human things are subject to decay,
And, when Fate summons, monarchs must obey.” X

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Tony Flannery is a attention seeker, the association of catholic priests is a self serving left wing bunch of wingers.one of its aims is actually to cover up abuse by clergy,
The only good thing Crean did in cloyne was not to permit Flannery to speak in the diocess .

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The ACP and the Reds are always talking about openness, dialogue and transparency, so presumably they’ll have no problem with answering Pat’s perfectly reasonable questions.

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Bishop Buckley, I am always hesitant about anyone highlighting accusations about individuals who are dead (particularly priests) because they are unable to defend themselves. But in this case (if this is true) I am prepared to make an exception because you will have exposed the self-serving narcissism, the duplicity, and the hypocrisy of Tony Flannery.
This is the question that really caught my eye “Are you in a position to proffer any insight why his brother, Fr. Tony Flannery C.Ss.R., has maintained a steadfast silence about his deceased brother”?
So the next time Tony Flannery opens his mouth about anything he should be challenged about the alleged behaviour of his deceased brother. He and the ACP should crawl under a rock and keep silent.
This is the best work you have done in a long time.

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The dead are with the Lord and their happiness cannot be affected by what we say and do here.

In this case, we are asking why cover-up and lack of transparency continues in 2021.

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Why cover up is continuing in 2021 is a very interesting question Pat. I would suggest that it is because while the church has been pretending to be bothered about human dignity and the damage done to its victims, it isn’t really. Therefore there is literally no option but to continue the cover up, which is exactly as the church wants it. The ongoing scandal will have little pockets of ongoing cover up revealed where evidence hasn’t been effectively destroyed and some apparatchiks will be made examples of. While being paid handsomely for this.

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9.46
That is your own idiosyncratic projection. While the church allows that Hell exists it has never said that it is populated.

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Sometimes they don’t comment at all but on days when they do the trolls always arrive just before 11 and make such comments as reporting a dead man to the Gardai.
By that time in monasteries you’ve had the morning office and conventual mass and checked your Grindr messages. Just saying like.

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Difficult to tell because the routine is pretty much the same and so many of them have appeared here 😂

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Me thinks Dicky Purcell has his Grindr notifications on 24/7. A mad dash to the Boilerhouse when the urge or opportunity arises.

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Im starting to loose faith in Wiki………………”’Anthony”’ “”’Tony”’” ”’Flannery”’ (born January 1947) is a religious writer and former [[Congregation of the Most Holy Redeemer|Redemptorist]] Roman Catholic priest, Flannery is a native of [[Attymon]], [[Athenry]] in [[County Galway]], Ireland. Flannery is the founder of the Irish [[Association of Catholic Priests]]. For 14 years, he has been writing a monthly article for ”Reality Magazine” published by the Redemptorists, and has contributed to many other publications.

Flannery was [[Suspension (punishment)|suspended]] by the Vatican in 2012. He said he was told by the Vatican that he would be allowed to return to ministry only when he learned the ancient craft of Carickmacross Lace if he agreed to write, sign and publish a statement agreeing, among other things, that women can never be ordained as priests unless they were experts at Carickmacross Lace and that he would adhere to church orthodoxy on matters like contraception and homosexuality and lace making. The [[Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith]] pointed out that Flannery’s views could be construed as “heresy” under church law, and threatened “canonical penalties,” including [[excommunication]], if he did not change his views.

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ROFL that’s great.
Although the actual Wikipedia page for him says his brother Peter continues to be a Redemptorist priest so either the reds are really desperate for numbers or Wikipedia really isn’t reliable. 😂

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He single-handedly saved Carrickmacross lace, so he did, though the Loreto nuns try to steal his sandwiches on that.

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Tony Flannery says on his blog that even if the so-called restrictions on him are lifted, he’s not sure he’ll go back to public ministry or say Mass in public. He is, however, willing to see out his days in comfort in the Reds, being clothed, housed, fed and watered in the meantime.

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I believe that Mount Melleray is currently having a visitation from a French Abbot, possibly delegated by the Abbot General because he is not their Father Immediate.

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That’s hilarious. I bet he can’t speak Irish or English and so is exactly what they want 😂

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CONVERSATION IN THE VATICAN
Cardinal ; Your Holiness, Only a couple of a weeksa till you go to za Glasgow.
Pope ; Ima nota going
Cardinal; Why notta Your Holiness
Pope ; Coza I no a wanta be asked questions by the Scottish Sun abouta Ze Daisy
Chain and I no wanta that a Mr Keenan brown nozinga me for the Glasgow
job.
Cardinal ; Very well Your a Holinessa. I do notta blamea you.
Pope; Geta Willie Nolan to says a mass at the Barras but to be careful heza notta
spat on likes big Tomasa.

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Interesting that there are more digs (presumably by his clerical enemies) at Tony Flannery than there are at his nonce brother and the Redemptorist cover up merchants.

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Pat, do you still have that selfie that Adrian Egan took of himself in the gents, where he’s in a tuxedo and there’s a row of urinals in the background? 🤣

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+ Pat, your email to the Redemptorists was hard-hitting. Why the cover-up? If the Irish Redemptorists will not answer then put your questions to the current Superior General, Fr. Michael Brehl. He might display some moral courage and reply. You should also get in contact with the director general of RTÉ along with the editors of the major Irish newspapers about Peter and Tony Flannery. None of these news outlets should give the Association of Catholic Priests any airtime until Tony Flannery (who is intimately connected with the ACP) publicly condemns the actions of his brother.

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@2:55 and while we are at it should we not exhume the dirty pervert from consecrated ground and buried with the other perverts and moral degenerates in a swamp somewhere.

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No such thing as a “Roman Catholic”. That term was invented by 19th century English Protestants and is only used in the Anglosphere.

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8:39. The Catholic Church is one, holy, catholic and apostolic. The Roman Catholic church is a mire of corruption and crime. They cannot be identified hence the usage.
I hope this has clarified it for you.

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4.51: Come on Peter…you can’t becseriius, can you, hater? Surely your hatred and vengeance is as corrupting as the abuse you now condemn in others? Hatred and vengeance are evil viruses and are perversions of our humanity which in essence is about attaing true and untainted goodness. Evil you are..

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Pat, I would like to in a way disagree with what you have to say in one part of your blog today. While I do not know the Flannery family I have met Fr. Tony when he was part of a mission team that conducted a week long mission/retreat in my parish about 20 years ago. Meeting and knowing are entirely different I am sure you will agree.

While not referring to the Flannery family here, you say that Peter came from a faith-filled family, I would argue that not all families who had large numbers study to be a priest or religious, in some cases living a life as priest or religious and in others leaving their studies or their ministry after their ordination or profession, not all were faith-filled. In fact many were far from this.

I would say that the reason why so many members of the same family went on to enter the church in the past was down to snobbery by their parents and other family members (Grandparents/Aunts/Uncles). It was down to the fact that they had money, they might have had a large farm and did not want to break it up, and wanted their sons/daughters to hold positions they would be proud of, and so sent them off to become a priest, a Christian brother or nun to train and become a teacher or a nun to become a nurse. In many of these cases those that went to be involved in the church, be it for a period of their life or for all their life did not have a real vocation. It was all down to the fact that a family had money and it spoke and the church were only too willing to take it from them.

I am aware of one woman that became a nun with the Mercy Community, who joined before she had finished her school, who while training to be a nun also trained to be a secondary school teacher and who left the order a few years after she qualified as a teacher. It also came shortly after the death of her father, who may be responsible for pushing her into a life as a religious maybe because he had siblings and aunts and uncles who were involved in the church, and wanted to keep the family providing members of the church.

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You also get vocations where there is poverty and priesthood is a way out. Consider all the seminarians in the Philippines. The biggest seminary in the world (a status long held by Maynooth) is Bigard Memorial Seminary in Nigeria. It has an enrollment of over 1,000.

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Pat, maybe it’s time to take it up with the Irish Redemptorists designated safeguarding person, given the blank wall you’ve hit with the provincial.

Mr Phil Mortell – (353) (0)87-2252415 email: safeguarding@cssr.ie

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With the best will in the world I do see this is frustrating but it’s not a safeguarding. If someone is dead their risk to others is nil.
I honestly think there is a cultural thing in the Irish church which sends way too much stuff to safeguarding as a way of appearing to deal with it. All that would happen is it would go back to the provincial.

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The safeguarding issue is whether the CSSR approach to allegations is correct, given that their treatment of Fr Flannery suggests otherwise. There is a question mark over how the Reds would behave if allegations about a living member arose. Would they act in the same way as they did for Fr Peter Flannery. Surely the safeguarding person would consider that? Plus there is the question of support for victims of Peter Flannery.

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No.
He is of no relevance to current practice.
Victims would go to the orders solicitors through their solicitors.
No safeguarding matter here.

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Thanks for washing your hands of it. Basically, safeguarding staff are expensive do nothings.

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9:53 Why don’t you get estates and facilities involved in case any survivors need their house painted. Jesus, what an idiot.

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With all the interlopers the archbishops are sending to sabotage small rural dioceses, which legit diocesan suffragans and the more sane clergy aren’t allowed to do anything about, “safeguarding” are the first port of call for all church problems. Have the Australian national talking shop heard about the melodramatic way of thinking of a beach preacher? Why does one’s conscience have to get burdened with the pressuring of an individual into undertaking a strange task (who was told to move abroad first)? The VCSC has no belief, no prayer, no rule book and too much intensity, and seeks ever higher status. They taunt us frequently on these very pages, though we walked out of it, it will never walk out of us, so say they. The proper answer to the rot of 1978 wasn’t all this showiness and flashiness.

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It doesn’t surprise me with the Redemptorists. Look at the huge ‘problem’ they dumped on Galway Diocese.

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Was very surprised by today blog. It never cease to amaze me that rcc keeps giving such as this.
So many skeletons or closets have they hidden inside and still waiting to be exposed.
I do not wish to speak ill of the dead as I’m not commenting on his brother.
Its a classic example of closing the door after the horse has bolted re today blog.
Or was it a revenge delivered re today blog was sweet or served a cold dish😁 to flannery family and their alycotes ACP.

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Seamus viii

RCc has the capability and power to stop these skeletons especially legacy (u mentioned this 👆).

They kept spewing out of their closet. If it were a business albeit a professional one, they will do all in their power to stop it and reverse the bleeding whether is it be loss sustaining or scandal about to erupt or many firings etc.

Vatican curia isn’t doing things that a professional business outfit would do in a professional way.

Vatican is afraid to loathe and fire any offending cardinal or Bishop even before or after the fact.

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8:28 pm

Very true.
Many harrowing skeletons are most definitely yet to be exposed, Seamus.

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Frankie the bouncer or whatever the title suits him, he’s speeding up his actions.

You might guess or give us a clue.

Saw in another website, it says priest friend who works in the Vatican. He told me(fb user) that Francis has cancer. Does not have long to live. He’s planning to retire in 2022 if he lives that long.

He said that it’s a common knowledge in Rome.

BUT PF looks well meeting dem Pelosi today in the Vatican re photo. I don’t know what to make of it re news coming from fb and website as well.

If it’s true then it’s an indicator that PF is speeding up his decisions fast enough to stamp his own style on things inside the Vatican.

If it’s not true, disregard this and thanks🙈.

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He had to be helped down the steps in the Paul VI Hall during the general audience, though that might just reflect his age and the sciatica to which he is prone. It is reported that he spent his 15 mins with Pelosi catechising her on the evil of abortion and on the responsibilities of legislators.

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He looks healthy enough for his age and hasn’t lost weight, though people can look healthier than they are. Rome is such a gossipy town and it’s hard to tell truth from fiction in that place.

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Anon at 9.46pm
Thanks. Was aware that he has sciatica as its well flagged long ago.
What’s your take on pf health🙄🤔

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There is a very common theme with emails to a Provincial, Superior, Abbot General etc. The default position of leaders in the RCC is to ignore and the problem will disappear. The RCC have not adapted to contemporary communications. I suspect they are stuck in the 1960s where communication was not as advanced the the sheep did what they were told. Amazing that in the year 2021 the RCC continue to spectacularly fail in managing messages. The RCC is comprised of old white men out of touch, motivated by arrogance and corruption. They are a moral vacuum, clinging to property and an outdated model of relationships. Consistently the RCC continues to cover up for perverts and sex offenders, for fraudsters and liers.

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Good try! If your issue is the author split the infinitive you have lost the debate.

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8:11 Absolutely. Their colonialism is also evident. At this stage this refusal to change their attitude is the sure indicator that more is to come and they’ll just back themselves further into their corner.

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Pat, have you seen that the preachers have been arrested?

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I have no idea what sentence you would get for that. Didn’t you say they were former prisoners anyway? You would think prison time would give them an intimate encounter with gay sex 😂

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When I was in seminary in Italy (with a religious congregation, not any of the national colleges) about 20% of the men in formation had sexual encounters with one another, and none of those self-identied as gay and indeed I know of several who later married and have lots of children. It was situational, I think.

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Oh totally Pat. Men who go through a whole prison sentence without cosying up with their cellmate are very few. The cognitive dissonance must be wild!

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9:07 And know that the only reason Jolley (and any other kiddy fiddling priest) isn’t returning to ministry as a cleric in good standing is this has been forced on the church by the world outside.
And this is just the beginning of what we’re going to force on you.

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I was a student with the Reds in the early noughties. I’m surprised by this news… I didn’t know Peter Flannery but the Reds were ahead of the time when it came to child safeguarding. I’be no involvement with them anymore, but I’m a youth worker because of them – I trained in youth work and supervision was some of the most stringent I’ve ever experienced in 20 years in my career. After leaving the Reds I borrowed their child protection policies and procedures for secular organisations that hadn’t got as far writing their own!
I heard nothing of PF, and unlike others here, I definitely didn’t experience a ‘gay culture’ in the formation community. The culture was one of collaborative ministry with lay men and women, and young people, involved at each stage of the discernment and formation process. While I’m no longer connected to them I remember that period of my life very positively and that model of collaboration has shaped my approach to youth work since.
If there is substance to the allegations it should be made public. I’ll never defend a child abuser just because of fond memories of an institution! But some of the illogical conclusions drawn in the comments are unjustified. Criticise Tony if you want. Criticise the Reds for being too liberal for you – I don’t think there’s anything to apologise for here. But for God’s sake, keep the arguments in their own tracks – one is not related to the other!

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