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FR GERARD QUIRKE ABANDONING TUAM AFTER THREE YEARS FOR LATIN PFC P.

GERARD QUIRKE has announced that he is leaving Tuam after three years to join a Latin Mass outfit!

He was only ordained for Tuam in 2018.

This time last year, Tuam was celebrating his 30th birthday with him and praising him as their youngest priest.

Now he is leaving them.

THE PRIESTLY FRATERNITY OF SAINT PETER

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The FSSP consists of priests and seminarians who intend to pursue the goal of Christian perfection according to a specific charism, which is to offer the Mass and other sacraments according to the Roman Rite as it existed before the liturgical reforms that followed the Second Vatican Council. Thus, the fraternity uses the Roman Missal, the Roman Breviary, the Pontifical (Pontificale Romanum), and the Roman Ritual in use in 1962, the last editions before the revisions that followed the Council.

The 2007 motu proprio Summorum Pontificum had authorized use of the 1962 Roman Missal by all Latin Rite priests as an extraordinary form of the Roman Rite without limit when celebrating Mass “without a congregation”.  Its use for Mass with a congregation was allowed with the permission of the priest in charge of a church for stable groups attached to this earlier form of the Roman Rite, provided that the priest using it was “qualified to do so and not juridically impeded” (as for instance by suspension). That was abrogated by the 2021 motu proprio Traditionis custodes that emphasized deference towards the Missal of Pope St. Paul VI and added restrictions to which clergy could perform the Roman Rite according to the pre-Vatican II form. 

Following from its charism, the fraternity’s mission is twofold: to sanctify each priest through the exercise of his priestly function, and to deploy these priests to parishes. As such, they are to celebrate the sacraments, catechise, preach retreats, organize pilgrimages, and generally provide a full sacramental and cultural life for lay Catholics who are likewise drawn to the rituals of the 1962 missal. In order to help complete its mission, the fraternity has built its own seminaries with the goal of forming men to serve the fraternity.

PFSP FOUNDED BY 18 FORMER MEMBERS OF THE SOCIETY OF ST PIUS X

The society was founded in 1988 under the leadership of 12 priests who were formerly members of the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX), another traditionalist organization, but were unwilling to remain part of it following the Écône consecrations, which resulted in its bishops being excommunicated by the Holy See.

Headquartered in Switzerland, the society maintains two international seminaries: the International Seminary of St. Peter in WigratzbadOpfenbachBavaria, Germany, and Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary in Denton, Nebraska, United States. The society is officially recognized by the Holy See and its priests celebrate the Tridentine Mass in locations in 124 worldwide dioceses.

PAT SAYS:

These Latin Mass societies should be totally and immediately suppressed by Francis and the Vatican.

Their foundation and continuation is a direct attack on Vatican II and the intentions of the council fathers as regards the celebration of the Mass in the vernacular.

Benedict XVI and others tolerated these latin dinosaurs when they should have been resisted and now they have a firm hold and are running another church alongside the Vatican II church.

Furthermore, they are taking vocations away from dioceses and parishes.

I’m surprised Michael Neary is allowing Quirke to abandon the diocese he was ordained for to join up with these bunch of nutcases.

What about the Tuam money soent on his training?

He should gave been forced to do at least 10 years of service in Tuam before indulging in this fantasy.

Were I his bishop I would have given him a firm NO and told him to serve Tuam or apply for laicization.

The priesthood is primarily one of pastoral service.

Not a way of indulging liturgical fantasies.

166 replies on “FR GERARD QUIRKE ABANDONING TUAM AFTER THREE YEARS FOR LATIN PFC P.”

Well done to Fr Gerard for standing for tradition. He is the 2nd young priest to join the FSSP. He has my full support. The dying 1970s boomers will be gone soon. Traditional movement is the fastest growing movement in Ireland with 10 seminarians this year (and you a new priest!!)

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Alex,
You are confusing ‘traditional’ and ‘traditionalist.’ The former is the living faith of the dead; the latter the dead faith of the living according to a well-known Romanian historian of religion.

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The traditional movement has a vibrant living faith, it has well funded chapels and 60% more vocations in Ireland that all the Dioceses/religious communities. Like it or not traditional movement is the future here.

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It’ll be good for Fr Quirke to see young people and young families in his new flock, which will be a pleasant change for him.

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10.16
Nothing glib about Mircea Eliade, source of the comment. If you can find something, point it out.

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10.37
Once again you fail to differentiate between tradition and traditionalism. The former is a mark of authentic faith, the latter an ideology.

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12.08
There’s no conclusive evidence. An allegation is not a conviction and the onus is on the one making the allegation. Substantiate your claim with reference to his oeuvre. You won’t find anything.

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I thought yer man with the thurible is such a Friend of Dorothy. No lace though, so I must be mistaken. He is obviously a total hetero.

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I looove that video and particularly that the celebrant is Remi de Roo.
‘As bishop he was notable for his advocacy of social justice and the mismanagement of diocesan finances.’

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@12.04 it is of such things that nightmares are made. 3.24 in the video is some interesting thurible action. 😯🤣 Don’t know what was going on in the minds of people who did things like that in the liturgy. We’ll be kind and say that it was just over thinking and not some kind of insanity. “The nature of blessedness has been much discussed by many people; but why should we go to many people and much explanation? In the scripture of God it is put briefly and truly: Blessed is the people whose God is the Lord.” When it comes to prayer and liturgy we will always be hard put to improve on what we’re given by our Christian heritage.

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Pat, talking about “liturgical fantasies” have you heard back from the greatest fantasist of the lot Dr Peter Kwasniewski? Since reading your open email to him about Silverstream I have been looking at some of his postings on Facebook. They are just bizarre. People like him give the TLM a bad press.

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2.37
God is insulted by people like you, Bella, when you employ vulgar language to refer to Pope Francis and other people. Spiritual myopia.

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Can Archbishop Neery really do anything if a priest wants to leave the diocese. He could of course say no, but what’s to stop a priest saying to him I don’t want to be a priest anymore and demand to be laicised or whatever happens in such situations. And then after a short while head off and join the group he is about to join. I don’t know can a person be ordained a second time if he decided that he no longer wanted to be a priest in a diocese and later joined a community. Perhaps you can answer this Pat if you know the answer.
In relation to serving ten years and paying back what was spend on him while he was in seminary, the idea sounds good but is it workable. How many men have gone into the seminary and decided after maybe four or five years, maybe even sooner were to decide that the life of a priest was not for him. Should he have to pay back the percent that you suggest that went into his studies from the Diocese. Or maybe he was to go on to be ordained and maybe a short few years later decide that the priesthood was not for him. Maybe the Bishop of his Diocese made the mistake in making him a curate with a difficult Parish Priest. I know you have had some difficult Parish Priests in your own years as a Curate. Maybe he might feel the only way out would be to leave the priesthood rather than to ask for a transfer and maybe risk been put with another difficult Parish Priest.
Like you I feel that Pope Francis who I believe to be a good man should suppress the Latin Mass as soon as possible. I know of a number of people who record the Mass each day off the RTE News Channel and watch it at a time that suits them, when home helps etc have left their homes. But sometimes the mass does not start at the appointed 10-30am and therefore part or all of it does not record for them. I know some when this happen turn on the mass at 1pm or 6pm on EWTN and they have told me that it is very annoying that many if not all the priests celebrate the mass from the Our Father to the distribution of Holy Communion in Latin and have said they thought this sort of thing was done away with nearly 60 years ago. They have said they did not understand it then and certainly don’t understand it now.

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Ould Gossp Alert @3:32
Never mind spiritual myopia, Teresa you’re so short sighted that you think it’s all right for you to insult Cardinals but object when anybody legitimately brings ould Fanny to book when he spouts more heresy. I suggest you visit Specsavers on your way home from your literacy class.

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6:35
Hypocrite to call upon Almighty God out of one side of your mouth and out of the other to use vulgar language towards people, including Francis. You’re out of your depth here at many levels: your posts are almost illiterate and unable to engage any of your opponents in debate. Employing argumenta ad hominem is not debate.

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There is an Armagh priest on the verge of announcing his departure to this same Fraternity of St Peter. All formation costs spent by dioceses on these charlatan priests should now be met by the Fraternity of St Peter and each diocese reimbursed by them. This was the case of Fr Connolly, albeit different, when he moved to Meath diocese from Clogher and Meath reimbursed Clogher £50,000. Herr Ratzinger allowed this carry on and encouraged it. He also gave us the ex Anglican Ordinariate nonsense.

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Diocese of Armagh can always invite the FSSP to the diocese. The church can’t ignore the fact that 10 men joined the traditional fraternities this year. The future of the Irish church is traditional movements as they are where men are going.

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Armagh has already invited the Neo Cats – we don’t need anymore nut jobs thanks 8.52am.

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10 37: These priests who make a free decision based on much soul searching and prayer and guidance are not charlatans. Allow them to find what they have desired for some time. God workks in mysterious ways. I think you’ll find, Fr., that there are many charlatans already within the Catholic Church!!! Fr. Quirke and other priests are as true and genuine as any other priest seeking to live the vocation of priesthoid. Sometimes spiritually we are urged (by the Holy Spirit) to take a different pathway. Let’s trust, hope and pray that Fr. Quirke will find more holiness, fidelity to God, deep, reverent pray and Eucharist than before. I wish him God’s blessings. Are you a church goer? Are you a cleric? Why such sneering and judgment?

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9.55
I’m sure you know that discernment of spirits is a classic traditional element before coming to a decision. Bear in mind the human propensity for doing a solo run out of solo self interest.
Pat is perfectly correct to draw attention to this phenomenon. For example, it’s noticeable you confine your consideration to what is good for the individual cleric. You make no attempt to consider the good of the Body of Christ, the People of God.

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10.57
Of course. It’s a biblical and theological concept which predates Christianity.

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9.55am Let them join these nut job fraternities in the first place then as opposed to using dioceses to fund them first and screwing them fo a few years.

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The Latin Mass is a device for attracting gay men to indulge a predilection for dressing up, lace and the delicious and I suspect irresistible mix of repressed or indeed not so repressed homosexuality with hypocrisy.
It will create a schism if it has not already and if the church swings to the right when Francis dies they will be reinstated and thrive.

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11.24am
Once again I am obliged to remind people like you that the stars of this blog (PP, Rory, McCamley, Tobin, Cocco, the ex-PP of Pomeroy, McCarrick, the Abbot, Cardinals Tobin, CMOC, Weurl, McCarrick, Frs Inzoli, Bishops Barros and Zanchetta etc) are anything but TLM priests. Fr McCamley, for instance, hates it with a passion.

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11.24: Quote relyable, researched clinical data by academics to support your wild judgments and conclusions. Sound bytes do not ascertain TRUTH.

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11:24pm
I think you’re mistaken, there are more of these people than you think who prefer polyester to lace, just look at what you got from Gaynooth not one of them traditional. You got what you deserved.

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11.30
That’s the level of your engagement with the topic Pat posted today. The same silly nonsense you trot out without ever tackling the issue. Meaningless verbiage.

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‘These Latin Mass societies should be totally and immediately suppressed by Francis and the Vatican.’ I am not fond of schismatics or these groups, but is your attitude above not a tad bit intolerant? Live and let live my dear Pat.

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The FSSP have a signed 1988 agreement that they would always be allowed to retain the traditional Latin mass with fully canonical status. Rome knows full well that to suppress them would be to hand Archbishop Lefebvre his victory and drive hundreds of priests to the SSPX . Sooner or late the church will need to accept the 1970s new mass has failed to engage the faithful.

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Alex
I think previous generations in Rome wanted Lefebvreists back in but compromised. However the current regime wants them and their ilk out and will press this. They will not accept the novus ordo as failed.

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I have noticed a trend, that the younger the Catholic priest, the more likely they are far more traditionalist, right wing and prefer the liturgy from before the Second Vatican Council changes.
To give some examples, a certain Father Declan McGeehan from the Diocese of Derry, who insulted Anglicans on Twitter by stating he agreed the position of Pope Leo XIII called Anglican clergy as “null and void” – all down to the Anglican Church celebrating 25 years of the first ordinations of women as priests back in 2019. He got a severe ticking off by Bishop McKeown, which included a temporary closing of his Twitter account, of course until the matter was forgotten, and then McKeown allowed him to go back on Twitter, thinking everyone had forgotten – they didn’t.
Father McGeehan is certainly not liked in the Derry Diocese. He comes across as a pompous young brat of a priest, who thinks since he wears a vestment, and dresses up in the old style way that priests dressed, that he has power and authority – in reality he is a lowly curate, who is despised by many parishioners.
Some younger priests in the Diocese of Derry who love dressing up in the old style Catholic frocks and vestments – including the returning Father Peter O’Kane, who chose to leave the diocese and become a Dominican monk – but in the 2021 diocese changes, was ordered back into diocesan ministry by Bishop McKeown.
One priest of the Derry Diocese, in his early 30s, actually said to a parishioner whilst they were on a rosary procession against abortion said that he smelt evil as they passed the abortion advice centre in Belfast. He “smelt evil” – I wonder if he has a good nose for smelling the evil among his own clergy, filled with hypocrites?
However, older priests seems to be far more happier with the modern liturgy, indeed I have been told the retired clergy who serve in Derry, are far more liberal and inclusive in their manner, than any priest under the age of 40.
What is the fixation of these young men, who adore the pre Second Vatican Council ways? Is it that they like dressing up more?

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The old priests were such pastoral successes, weren’t they? Lol.

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Wasn’t there a convention that you paid back the cost of your training by five years of service?
Nobody is noticing that when the next schisms come the church will split into three, not two.
1. Vatican 2 catholics
2. Women priests and gay marriage catholics
3. the tridentinists.
I wouldn’t like to say which will be largest but Germany will be mostly 2, France mostly 3 and Ireland a battle between 1 and 2.

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The 1 & 2s love the 1970s and are in their 70s. 3 is the future, simply because they start from a younger base, have large families and pass on the faith and attract converts, unlike 1 & 2.

There’s a similar trend among the Anglicans, where the evangelicals and Prayer Book people are in the ascendant.

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This is very worrying, Pat. This is a very vulnerable young man who has had a lot of family tragedy.

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12:38am
It’s not worrying at all, this good young priest he has been granted great grace which will confirm him in his vocation. And what an escape to get out of the disaster which is Tuam.

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Best wishes to Gerard, please take Ronan Sheehan with you. Ronan is single and available no more Marshall.

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Ah gawan outta that Pat, let the lad pursue his dream. I doubt God cares how he is worshipped. There has to be diversity within the church.

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6.11
What a dense, anti-intellectual, untheological comment to claim God doesn’t care how he is worshipped. It is probably the single most important theme of the Book of Amos. Are you biblically literate or are you merely thinking in terms of lace?

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‘Father’ at 10:28 is the one who always says anyone else’s opinion is stupid. He would still say it if you quoted Amos.

Hear this word, you cows of Bashan on Mount Samaria, you women who oppress the poor and crush the needy and say to your husbands, “Bring us some drinks!”

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It’s time for Fr Gerard to spread his wings! He came always come back if it doesn’t work out.

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The thought is NO use keeping a Priest who does not want to be in the dioceses however they should be laicised immediately.
It is not fair the lay faithful pay for their years in formation.
No Longer a RCC Priest then get laicised.
Pope Francis or his successor will sort out this outside LMB team so do not fear us with Tradition

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Pat, I agree that there are very unhealthy elements within the Latin Mass crowd and a lot of people seem to gravitate to it for the wrong reasons. It’s a real problem and hard to see any resolve in sight. But there’s nothing wrong with those who have a genuine devotion to it and it’s not fair to throw the baby out with the bath water. Fr Gerard falls into the latter category and is a holy Priest

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There is at least one other Irishman in Denton, Nebraska who would have been in Maynooth for some of the time Fr Quirke was there. Perhaps they already know each other so it may help to make the newest Irish recruit feel at home there.

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The priesthood is primarily abiut service, you say Pat. Very true. But service is expressed in a myriad of ways and ministries. Your bias is so evident against the Confraternity that you have such disdain for, almost to the point of apoplectic angst. Your views and way of living are very self serving. While you offer much that is good I am left aghast that almost anything that is different to your life, understanding, liturgy and theology causes you to be arrogantly dismissive and judgmental against many. Pat, allow Fr. Quirke to follow his spiritual pathway without the unnecessary, unjust sarcasm and contempt you display. I have never been to the Oratory and do not know who and how many followers – priests – you have but no discernible difference is evident in our landscape by way of renewal, reform or spiritual blessings…much like the Church you abandoned. May God bless Fr. Quirke always. You offer valuable criticism but you also offer so much nasty discouragement as you have little capacity to affirm good and goodness in Catholic clerics!

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There is so much that is venal, self-indulgent, ‘look at me’ about this move of Quirke to the FSSP. In my experience, that pretty much defines so many clergy, especially the young priests who are being produced by our seminaries, who come out thinking they are God’s gift with an elevated sense of their own importance and everybody else’s deference to them. Quirke’s bishop should have faced him down with some harsh truths – like how much it has cost to train him for the diocese, about the promises he made to the bishop and the people and the diocese, about the duty of service – rather than rolling over and letting this guy go off on his lace and frills fantasy trip. I know a number of young priests who are engineering exits for themselves from the coalface of the diocese and the parish in to more “interesting’, ‘sector’ ministries, especially those that offer lucrative salaries. I think it’s an indication of how so many young priests view the priesthood as a personal vehicle for advancement, where they are owed everything, and do not owe anything back in return. I don’t see why some sort of contract could not be drawn up for the newly ordained that obliges them to stay in a diocese for say 10 or 15 years ? It happens in lots of other organisations which have paid for the education of employees. Such would also let these young Bucks (although for the most part they are Does !) know that it is not all about them, and perhaps make them reflect on the true nature of service that should accompany the priesthood.

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It would be intriguing to hear about the long process of discernment which lead Father to conclude that what the people of Achill and wherever else he was needed was the ritual of 1962.
What was it about a ritual where the members of the congregation are silent observers of the priest speaking sotto voce in a language most of them, including the priest, do not understand, which convinced him this was the one thing the church needed in 2021?

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A bigger % of people in Achill went to the TLM in the 1960s than go to the Novus Ordo. Yes or no? They voted with their feet.

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12:20
A higher percentage of Achill residents in the 1960s had outside toilets than the percentage of today’s residents who do.

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The people of Achill obviously do not want or need the Novus Ordo. If they did, they’d go to it, but they don’t. The Spirit of VII project has failed, but let’s keep on flogging a dead horse.

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This is shocking. A strong approach to the Society by the Archbishop should be made to claim funds spent. Our Pope Francis should ban these societies because they are opposed to Vatican II and do all they can to hinder any reform. The only thing they offer is a false certainty about faith and God. We have to live with uncertainty. Faith speaks to that situation. These deviant societies should be no more.

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Ould Gossip Alert @ 10:14am

It is truly shocking that an oul deviant gossip like you is still gibbering like a budgie and being the Ra! Ra! girl for oul bergo.These truly wonderful Societies will show the way, until all the deviant Polyester Brigade are no more.

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@9:20 am
You make a very valuable point. The vast majority of priests who have been ordained in the past decade who celebrate the TLM have extremely poor Latin and, it can be cringing to watch them celebrate. They do, God love them do their best, but they continuously fail to recognise that liturgy is the participation in the salvific work of Christ.
I disagree with + Pat that these organisations should be immediately suppressed. But I agree with him when he expresses in a somewhat roundabout way that their existence today has become a direct attack on Vatican II and its liturgical reforms.
Archbishop Neary is coming up to retirement, so he does not care, but there is an interesting question about reimbursing the archdiocese for his academic formation, because it is not cheap.

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I bet that you haven’t read what Vat II, the Greatest and Only Authentic Council, said about the liturgy. The beautiful opening paragraph of SC is describing the TLM.

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Fr. Declan McGeehan was turned down by the FSSP as he does not fit in with their ascetic. They like tall, skinny, handsome young men.

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It does not help that he is balding and bursting out of that soutane 🤣. I always found him to be effeminate, vicious and nasty. A big girl Pat.

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There’s a growing number of young traditional priests in every diocese. There’s going to be a split eventually.

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Do we have to put up with the farce of a Partition Service tomorrow on BBC NI live at 10.30am from the Reformation Cathedral in Armagh? They not only rub salt in the wound over Partition after 100 years in Ireland but they make sure it’s held in a Protestant venue. Amy Martin goes along with it.

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And HM The Queen has cried off attending, on the advice of her doctors. Good for her. I suspect even she feels a bit embarrassed and uncomfortable about celebrating the Partition.

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Nobody on this blog paid a washer towards Fr Quirke’s formation. He is still in the service of the Universal Church, whose boundary extends far beyond Achill island. Lots of young priests go MIA after a couple of years, and others stay on the books as c/o bishop’s house for yeaes at a time. Nobody seeks any financial clawback from them.

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WTF does this still wet behind the ears young whippersnapper know about anything, that he is pronouncing on mental health and suicide ? For God’s sake, he should just shut up and concentrate on getting some experience under his belt, sitting back and observing, rather than pronouncing. These young priests who emerge from seminaries these days are so full of themselves, believe themselves so special and endowed with instant wisdom. Along with that goes an expectation of entitlement, deference, exceptionalism, unaccountability – and we know where all that has got us in the past. His interest in lace and frills and brocade and Latin is just a little titillating and entertaining sideline, which also has elements of homoeroticism thrown in for good measure. It’s a potent and dangerous mix, both for him and for those around him. I simply don’t understand why bishops can’t force these guys to settle down, do some hard work, stop being so special, and put in some years and get some experience. In any other walk of life that is what happens. I am sure all this FSSP stuff will come to no good, and the boy will be back with his tail between his legs. Then he might settle down to some serious ministry and give some service to the Church which has paid for his education and formation.

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1.56
He is in his 30s, so hardly a whippersnapper. There are younger Prime Ministers. The Church is too much of a gerontocracy, and the “experienced” priests that you so admire have run the Church into the ground and their parishes are lifeless husks on the verge of closure and merger. Their manifesto has been rejected by the lapsed and unbaptised in their parishes. We need new wine, new wineskins. Fr Quirke is the future.

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12.25: Who’s “she”, you ignorant, scummy pervert. Men who effeminise other men are stunted human beings, emotionally and mentally and are the queenies of queen gays. Get a life you piece of crap.

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1.34
The lady doth protest too much methinks.
It would be something like what Cardinal Keith O’B would come out with. RIP.

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10.45am
‘People like me’ is a lazy and convenient default given its an anonymous blog and you couldn’t possibly know anything about me other than I share Pope Francis’ view that TLM is schismatic and divisive and attracts predominantly gay clergy who enjoy dressing up and a long gone rubric.
They are nostalgic for a bygone era and a refuge for an especially effete gay men.
There will be child abusers among them and sexual predators.
Matthew Jollie was an adherent and he said his preference was to have sex with cute boys!! He is on the sex register for life.
Nostalgia is a trap that many are deceived by.

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1.58pm
Once again I am obliged to remind people like you that the stars of this blog (PP, Rory, McCamley, Tobin, Cocco, the ex-PP of Pomeroy, McCarrick, the Abbot, Cardinals Tobin, CMOC, Weurl, McCarrick, Fr Inzoli, Bishops Barros and Zanchetta etc) are anything but TLM priests. Fr McCamley, for instance, hates it with a passion.

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10.57am
I represent the sensus fidelium which assures me that TLM brigade are confused and deceived – no need for reliable data – it’s sel-evident that TLM is a device or mask concealing repressed homosexuality and a thirst for clerical aggrandisement.

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2.03: So you are unable to provide verifiable clinical data except your own biased, screwed up theories. You are a fake, probably bent – in more ways than one!

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Googled this priest. Saw a video of what looked like a show reel for an actor. What is that all about?

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Why is Mark Moriarty refusing to leave the Parochial hse despite him technically a lay man now, no longer a seminarian.

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Pat, why do you allow all these homophobic comments that suggest that wearing traditional vestments is a sign of dressing up and effeteness and therefore gay? Is that the image people have of gay men, that they dress up and are effete?

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Fr Gerard and his mate Joseph Merrick will have great fun wherever he will end up. Tridentine Mass is right up their street. The 2 boys from Mayo will keep traditions alive. More of this please.

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3.22
Evidence in which case? What’s the indictment? Who’s in the dock? Are you a trouble maker?

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3.22: I would be very careful with the statement you’ve made about Matthew Roche. I’d be very, very careful.

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Archbishop Roche is a fair man. He is from Yorkshire and tends to be direct and in your face talking. I know a priest friend in Wales he helped immensley. He is great one to one. The English & Welsh Bishops are shit scared of him including +Vin

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His brother bishops in England & Wales are shit scared of him and they are NOT fair men. That’s the major difference my friend @7.29pm.

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5.27pm

Er, since when did you get to demand verifiable data and lay down the law.
Imagine the absurdity of a clinical or sociological trial investigating whether clerics who say TLM are repressed or practising homosexuals – that would be like investigating whether big strong over 6ft predominately heterosexual men enjoy playing rugby.
I don’t need to prove my thesis because it’s not a thesis – it’s a self evident observation – the RC priesthood is a gay profession (Sipe 1980) and 98 per cent are unfaithful to their vow of celibacy (Sipe 1980).
Martel (2019) posits 80 per cent of clergy in the Vatican are homosexual – how many practice has to be a guess – what you think your gonna get an honest answer in a questionnaire?

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2.36pm
Er, old as a pejorative, that’s novel, oh and lapsed too – I wasn’t offended by either, because both are false – what fascinates me is your certitude and dogmatism.
Is that how it works for you – you say it therefore it’s true.
Surely a small part of you must grasp that this is a blog, the moderator kindly affords anonymity so there is no way on Gods good that you could know whether I’m young or old, lapsed or practising, black or white.
Try surmising or hazarding a guess but avoid certitude and dogma it’s so much more intelligent. Unless your a Latin Mass aficionado and cling to certitude and dogma for dear life!!!!

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2.47pm
Gay men come in all shapes and sizes however effete, prissy and shrill homosexuals are attracted to the RC priesthood – and especially TLM.
To deny that is like insisting that the earth is flat.

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Bishop Mark Davies is an odd first and I doubt has the support of his brother bishops – the Last Rites as an emergency services is ridiculous – the state barely recognises Catholic Hospital Chaplains and a RC priest is the last person you’d want around in a life or death emergency.
And where were they during the pandemic?
They shut the churches and pissed off out of Dodge.

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6:10pm
A priest might be the last person you’d want in a life and death emergency. It would be the only person I would want. All you get now in that situation is doctors wanting you to to sign a DNR I hope you never have to go through that, you might change your mind.

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Didn’t a priest collapse in the boiler house and his confreres rushed to absolve him?

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6.10: No doubt you’d have attended mass every day durung the worst of the pandemic with hundred dying of the illness? You are an idiot. I trust that if you are a catholic (small c) and find yourself dying in hospital that you state you don’t want a Catholic anointing, in which case you should question your catholicism. You obviously are ignorantly uneducated about the true meaning of the Sacrament of the Sick with Anointing. Many faithful, holy and devout Catholics frequently request the grace and consolation of this beautiful sacrament. You don’t.

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How wrong you are. The governments shut the churches during the height of the pandemic. The clergy were always there. During the height of the pandemic many places were shut, pubs and clubs and recreational facilities to stop people mingling and control the virus. Where have you been through all this? Please be factual.
Garngad Lad

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“The priesthood is primarily one of pastoral service.
Not a way of indulging liturgical fantasies.”
Agreed. People can tie themselves up in liturgical knots and completely lose their way.

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These young trad Latin Mass priests are not attracting the majority of people back to Mass – why would anyone go to something they dont understand – no one learns Latin in school – it would be totally meaningless. If anything they turn people off with their right wing nonsense – I know of one young ‘traditionalist’ priest in a parish – people went out of their way to avoid going to Mass if they knew he was saying it.

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We will just wait patiently for the wicked and perverse generation to shuffle off, and then we’ll rebuild from the wreckage.

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The mass doesn’t, nor should it ever, pay reverence to the people. It doesn’t matter what the congregation do or do not understand.
The role of the laity is to shut their mouths, open their souls and mediate on the crucifixion and resurrection of our Lord and Saviour for their own salvation

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11.15
Mediate? Really? There’s only one mediator.
Your first principles are flawed. The purpose of the Mass is twofold: glorification of God and sanctification of humanity. If they do not understand that principle they are not being sanctified. And if the downward movement of the Mass fails so does the upward.
You’ve misunderstood everything.

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I meant meditate, and apologise for autocorrect.
Then again, you ought to have been intelligent enough to have known that.

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Englishman Henry Baulkwell was single handedly responsible for the expulsion of ‘the rigid-six’ for all the right reasons.
A total hero and Quirke’s polar opposite
Gerald Quirke bullshitted his way through Maynooth and Henry called him out on it.
You should track Henry down if he’s still alive. He knows Quirke’s most embarrassing secrets.
He was a softly spoken but intelligent lay brother who made it known disliked the maynooth camp culture.
He told the seminary his concerns about quirke and they promptly asked Gerald to leave with immediate affect. His bishop forced the seminary to welcome him back and ordained him.

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Who has egg on his archiepiscopal face now? There’s plenty more of it there since the Tony Flannery debacle.

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I’m crying with laughter over the comments today.
Highlights are saying that the church will be rebuilt contingent on and wanting the baby boomers dead.
Obviously this is a really positive mindset with which to build.
And then we have the groundless assertion that this nutty cult is flourishing. Based on 46 first years.
So we have people who want other people dead and can’t work out the true significance of that figure.
Gee it’s almost like the church is dead. 🤣

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Patrick, it has to be said. Your position on tradition in the church, in spite of all you have seen, is deeply surprising and depressing.
To stand with Bergoglio is an attack on the Church Fathers themselves. You cannot stand with Church doctrine yet claim those not in communion with the Church or Christ will be saved.
Your opinion is dangerous and is sacrificing souls on the alter of modernism.
I humbly and sincerely ask you to reconsider, and I pray for your return to the one true faith

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8.55pm
Ah bless ya – someone holds a view at variance with yours and the best you can do is spew forth venom and bile.
Having looked after terminally ill people for many years I can assure you that I’d rather hold the hand of a caring nurse or Heath care professional on my death bed than let a Catholic priest anywhere nr me with his box of tricks and mimbo jumbo which he doesn’t even believe and v likely isn’t faithful to his vow.
God is bigger than the sacraments and his grace falls like the rain on the righteous and unrighteous.
Your faith fosters malice and your faith in the efficacy of sacramental grace is predicated on the. idol of priest worship and a false belief that the RCC had captured Gods grace like a commodity to dispense.

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