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BISHOPS AND ARCHBISHOPS ABUSING PRIESTS.

Association of Catholic Priests Statement

Monday 1st November 2021

As an association founded to represent, and if needs be to defend, our fellow-priests, the Association of Catholic Priests (ACP) is receiving from both members and non-members an increase in the number of complaints about the way some bishops are treating some priests.

It is important to note that this is generally not the case with most bishops. With most bishops there is a respectful engagement with their priests with whatever concerns they have and whatever difficulties they encounter. That we note and accept.

But there is a small number of bishops and archbishops who consistently represent the vast majority of complaints being received from priests, and who need to be held to account for it.

Examples of these complaints include:

(i) priests being told that they have to take responsibility for another parish at short notice, without any effort on the part of the bishop to explain the situation to parishioners, apart from a letter to be read out by the priest who is left to his own devices to negotiate the extra workload;

(ii) priests whose bishops insist on appointing them against their will to parishes, for which, by common consent, they are completely unsuited and thereby inflict an inappropriate and unnecessary limitation on their ministry and on their levels of job satisfaction;

(iii) priests who take some time out, and are then not allowed to resume active ministry. Some have been coerced and bullied into leaving the priesthood against their wishes while others have been forced to make an inappropriate public confession contingent on a continuation in  ministry;

(iv) priests who have taken leave from their diocese (Diocese A) for a period and who have been refused a return to ministry by that diocese and then have applied to and are accepted by another diocese (Diocese B) in order to continue their ministry as priests but who are systematically blocked by the bishop of Diocese A;

(v) priests who are gay being refused permission to work in parishes while in other dioceses they are treated as equal and valued members of the priesthood;

(vi) priests who have concerns about the demands on their mental or physical health of remaining in full-time priestly work not being allowed to retire until they reach 75;

(vii)  priests who feel unable to stand up for themselves and find themselves in inadequate accommodation and lacking a level of support that other priests in the diocese enjoy. In one diocese, the ACP had to provide legal redress for a priest on sick leave who wasn’t paid his salary for two years. In another diocese, a priest who was out of ministry was not given accommodation and had to live with his family members;

(viii) priests whose bishops comment disparagingly on their personal appearance and active ministry and who, as a result, have their confidence undermined and their pastoral effectiveness diminished;

(ix) priests who have experienced specific difficulties being refused permission to say funeral Masses for parents or close family members;

(x) priests whose bishops seem to believe that they have to dominate every encounter with their priests and who, if they ‘lose a battle’ with a priest, will later vindictively ensure that they will ‘win the war’; and

(xi) priests with no accusation against them being forced out of priesthood, on the basis of a bishop’s decision that it is ‘the ‘best thing‘ for them.

The ACP, as an association committed to supporting priests in need, is prepared to challenge bishops who fail to live up to their responsibility as bishops which is to be shepherds to their priests as well as to their people.

As Pope Francis has observed, ‘Human dignity is the same for all human beings: when I trample on the dignity of another, I am trampling on my own’.

The matter will be discussed at the ACP AGM on Wed. 10 November @ 2.00pm in the Radisson Blu Hotel, Athlone.

PAT SAYS

I suppose every body of workers is entitled to have an organisation that promotes the rights and interests of their members.

The ACP is the nearest thing to an Irish priest’s trade union?

In RC canon law and in practice priests have very few rights in relation to their bishops and archbishops.

If you made to offer someone a solemn promise of obedience it does not help you to have many rights from them.

Traditionally the bishops are MASTERS and the priests are his SERVANTS.

It gets worse when bishops like Cackle Daly believed that the bishop was the voice of God and appealed to the writings of St Ignatius of Antioch to prove his case.

DALY AND ME

Because I was powerless church wise when Daly sacked me, I had no other avenue open to me except to bring him before the industrial tribunal and high court where I lost my case on technicalities.

I think the law has changed since.

Eventually, Daly offered me a hearing with the following conditions:

1. Daly would choose the panel and I could choose one priest from a list Daly would to give one!

2. Daly could meet the panel but I could not. I could write to them!

3. Daly and the panel could see my file but I could not see it!

4. I could not hear the charges or witnesses against me!

5. There would be no right of appeal.

I told Daly to put his panel where the monkey put his nuts and that would prefer an IRA kangaroo court to his panel.

My greatest weapon Daly was my public protests and high media profile at the time.

THE ACP AND COURAGE

To date the ACP have not shown much courage in their fights for priests.

They come across as a bunch of whiners and criers.

They want to inhabit priestly pedestals, stay within the organisation, with all its benefits, and nag for better things for priests.

The bishops, as always has been the case, treat them with disregard if not contempt.

The ACP needs to grow several sets of balls.

They need to name and shame the bullying archbishops and bishops.

They need to have a courageous public campaign.

They need to threaten going on strike.

They need to threaten to create independent parishes with their parishioners and take possession of presbyteries and churches.

150 replies on “BISHOPS AND ARCHBISHOPS ABUSING PRIESTS.”

Dermot Farrell must be at the top of the list. A friend told me that the clergy in Dublin are becoming very concerned about his style of leadership. There are worrying stories starting to emerge…

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11 26: This is not the experience of the majority of priests. To date the Archbishop has been very good at communicating with priests. The man has to make decisions that won’t be pleasing to all but so far he has been very good at listening and is very approachable. There are, of course, some guys who have been sidelined a little and a few who carved out a longer than necessary “time out” have been “ordered” back and rightly so. At last. These guys are very displeased. Guts, leave if you don’t want to work. Those of us working away have questioned your complete lack of kindness and co-operation. You are receiving a salary!!

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I never know what to make of the ACP. It is a strange mix of a liberal theology talking shop and a trade union for priests. The two aspects are like oil and water. The lib theology comes from Hoban and Flannery, and that puts off as many priests as it attracts.
If only they would drop the theologising and look after the trade union side more. Their helplines for priests, and support group for priests out of ministry are commendable, and nobody sensible would disagree with their statement. What they describe is the petty control freakery and poor management you find in many dysfunctional management styles in all walks of life. I certainly would never again accept the rule of a bishop.
However, just when I’m feeling sympathetic to the ACP, I visited their website, only to find it totally laden with Tablet-like lib issues.

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11.53: The level of of your intelligence is -50. You phillistine. Show us how clever you are by rising above this caca.

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I see Fr. Michael Sheedy ex pp kilrush and ex VG killaloe died. He was the curate breaker of Killaloe diocese. Most priests fled the diocese after their term with him.. including the current Lord Abbot of Glenstal Joe Coffey (+Brendan).. fr. Paschal Hanrahan to the British Army as Chaplain.. Fr. Michael Collins to Maynooth as Dean… and Fr. Martin Blake who had a terrible time and is being punished now by +Fintan Monahan.. Bishops Willie Walsh, Kieran O Reilly and now Lugs all looked on and knew and cared not a jot…

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11.54
Fascinating. Disappointing to hear that abour Willie Walsh and Kieran O’ Reilly. In the case of F. Monahan, absolutely disgusted.

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12.06
As an impartial observer, that conclusion says more about you than it does about the suject of your judgement.

Very apt question, Pat!

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I heard +Bishop Monaghan fed Fr Blake to the wolves of a notorious parish and the PC bullied him to breakdown. Shame on a Bishop who comes across as a Saint on social media.

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@1:41pm
After the sacrilegious disgusting actions on the altar of this appalling man. You as an ‘impartial observer’ are not appalled! by this . Your attitude say’s more about you than you realize. I’m amazed that Patsy does not consider this the action of a LOWLIFE.😮

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2.40
Bela Lugosi (of Dracula fame) s identifiable by her redundant apostrophe in the present tense. She spends her time condemning people, especially those suffering from addiction and then mentions God and the BVM not thinking for a moment that God is on their side and not hers.

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The hemorrhaging of priests from Killaloe is a reflection of +Fintan. He does not care a sod about the clergy. Good luck to the ACP.

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3.32
He probably imagines he won’t have to live with them for much longer. No. Not a death wish but aspirations to Tuam.

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Irrespective of the merits or demerits of the ACP, the issues raised are legitimate and deserve respectful debate and comment. None of us imagined 30/4/50/60 years ago that we would ever be in the crisis we are in at the moment. Priesthood, celibacy, ministry, being Church are all changed in such a way that we are overwhelmed by finding a new understanding of these concepts. The gospel of Christ and its relevance has to be at the centre of all Christian service. Apart from the evolution of understanding of these concepts, many other factors have forced us as a Church to look honestly at ourselves. We can be cynical and say the barque of Peter is below the waterline and unsalvageable or we can grasp this crisis as a real opportunity to see things differently and redefine our purpose, mission and relevance as Church – people and priests working effectively for the good of their parish community. We cannot give up, though it is tempting and simply do the usual. Yet, with the shortage of personnel and our slowness to truly trust parishioners in leadership, we are delaying true and radical renewal. I am often appaled at priests, who, when faced with strong, articulate and assertive parishioners resort to the “I’m in charge” and minister by dictat. Totally unacceptable. While I have misgivings at times about the ACP, their concerns are relevant and must be addressed by Bishops. Let us have a respectful debate not a slamming of clerics. In my expetience of the last 20 years, i believe most priests are genuinely caring about their ministry and tge people they are called to care for. But, we are sometimes overwhelmed by the apathy, indifference and nasty criticisms we receive. I won’t give up doing what I can for the parish entrusted to my care..Perhaps for too long we just ministered without defining our welfare honestly and responsibly with our bishops or with one another. This must change now. I acknowledge the incredible support given by the ACP to individual priests who have been treated horribly by Bishops. Enough is enough.

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The infamous Father Barry Farmer originally sanctioned and placed as a Priest no longer in good standing for amongst other things offering to anoint postulant and novices private parts to help them overcome difficulties with cellibacy .Then convicted for abuses against
young girls and sent to prison , is now considered a Priest in good standing , and on the Rosminian UK web site pictured with alb and stole in a video publicly concelebrating mass with the Provincial .How after all that happened he can become a Priest in good standing again defies logic , and is a two fingered salute to his victims , and their families by the current Provincial .

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Today is the Feast of St Charles Borromeo, leading figure of the Counter-Reformation combat against the Protestant Reformation, Cardinal, model of morality, piety and religious instruction. Patron saint of seminarians
Ora pro nobis.

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7.01
Cardinal and Administrator of Milano in 1560, at age 21, before he was a deacon.
It wasn’t a disadvantage that his uncle, the great Pius IV, Medici, who had fathered at least three children had been elected pope the previous year.

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It’s hardly a state secret. It’s on Wikipedia, ffs, which was doubtless your source. His remarkable life and achievements are well known.

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He was fully aware and regretted the nepotism that got him appointed cardinal (before priestly ordination)! In fact, he informed and guided the Council of Trent on this and his model of reform in Milan became a model for dioceses across Europe. Charles Borromeo had many failings (his attitude and judgement on Swiss Protestants was vicious). But his commitment to reform of the institutions of the Church should be an inspiration for us today!

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2.29
I’m the poster at 1.52 but not at 2.27. No. Not Wikipedia. Jadot, Kelly, inter alios and a good general education.

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Father James Preston, Former Liverpool Archdiocese vocations director was based at St. Charles’ Borromeo church, Aigburth Road.
He left rather sharply as evidence of serious clerical abuse began to surface; this was after a catastrophic botch-up of a cover-up by the then head of Safeguarding personnel, Alex Griffiths. She will never work with children or vulnerable people again, people are told.
Even the whole Safeguarding Commission have been erased from the Archdiocese of Liverpool website.
Bishop Pat, what on earth is going on in the Anglican and Catholic Dioceses of Liverpool?
When will it be made public?

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Dear +Pat,
It is spreading around the diocese that Archbishop Farrell forced Taylor to resign from his parish. He has been asked to leave by the end of this month. Apparently there were numerous issues including a problematic parish secretary and also an insidious suggestion (by same) that a young chubby organist was said to be residing in the parochial house.
Dermot Farrell (without evidence) took the side of the parish secretary and asked Taylor to step down.
It appears Farrell is a bully, the ACP are aware of this and many other issues emerging in the Archdiocese of Dublin. There are more stories to break. The clergy of Dublin are not happy with the new hatchet man Dermot Ledwith Farrell.
Regards

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My information has always been reliable in the past. It is true to my knowledge. My sympathy rests with Taylor in this regard. He has been treated in abysmal manner by Farrell. He is not the only one to be treated like this. I will be forwarding more names to you in the coming days and weeks of other priests and situations. The ACP are also aware of what is going on. It is my understanding that the ACP plan to publicly challenge Farrell and other bishops. This newspaper article is only the beginning.
Regards.

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Is the fact that, Paul Taylor and Diarmuud Martin are close a factor?

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Allegedly moving to the Church of the Holy Name, Beechwood Ave.
Frank O’Donnell is the organist in question.

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Parish secretaries are as rude and up themselves as doctor’s receptionists. There was a Presbyterian from Pettigo who worked in the office in Lough Derg and she made life hell for the seminarians who worked there during the summer season. She had no truck for fasting and was known to one and all as “Thunder Thighs”.

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Seemingly Taylor gave the organist a contract of employment against diocesan rules and hence has fallen foul of Farrell

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12.01: Fr. Taylor has responsibilities for Beechwoid Parish alongside Rathgar. You are lying and being mendacious. Lies.

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5:41
Why is he leaving the parish and moving out of the house then? I do not lie.

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Never mind obedience to the bishop,+ Pat. What really counts and binds a priest to the apron strings of bishop / diocese / church is money / resources. The lack of for most priests is the real cement that keeps them stuck to the edifice of the church. How many priests do I know who say that if only they had the means / resources, they would move on and give up ministry / leave the priesthood / retire a bit early, however they like to describe it ? The vast majority of priests rely wholly on their parish and diocese for their living and support. Even in retirement they rely on the diocese for retirement stipend and housing, with strings attached such as supply / loyalty / obedience etc. All those benefits are at the behest and patronage of the bishop and diocese. Piss them off, and you are on your own. Very few priests are able during their life of ministry to save enough to support them outside of ministry or to get a mortgage and own a house. So, they have to stay. Otherwise they are out on the streets with no support. The few who have family money are lucky and have options The few who have worked in ministries which were State financed and come with a pension which belongs to their name are also fortunate and have options. But the vast majority of priests are stuck. This is the reality that keeps them in harness, encourages loyalty and keeps them under the foot of the bishop and the diocese. Bollocks to obedience, most priests would happily give that up and give two fingers to the bishop.. Without finance / resources / money, however, they are stuck

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@ 8:26: Exactly right. And, as I’ve said here before, apart from their despair at being dependent on the RCC malign institution, many RC clerics, subsequent to their initial phases of naive faith beliefs arising out of youthful commendable altruism, have come to a realisation of how misplaced are those very debatable religious beliefs.
In plain language, they realise it’s all a load of cobblers!
MMM

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9.59: MMM – you’ve been absent for too long. Yet, you return, sadly, to your repeat narrative – “exactly as I’ve said..”. I have not clung on to any misplaced altruism or debatable religious beliefs. Having studied pbilisiohy, art, music and counselling, my faith and religious convictions/beliefs are changed but I have an ever deeper appreciation of all things I religiously and theologically subscribe to. Yes, there are times I have thought of opting out because of the ever changing nature of the challenges and crises of church and priesthood and of the complete change of the landscape of our country which has affected all of us with religious beliefs, particularly Catholicism. There are still moments of great fulfilment but fewer and fewer as the years unfold. However, there is no one life that guarantees complete fulfilment. I am conscious that many others have greater trials, struggles and daily challenges. Their coping and getting through inspires me in ministry. I’m sure you might be part of this cohort of inspirers and encouragers!! I trust you will contribute in your normal balanced, respectful and cogent manner without the necessity of cynicism.

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@3:31. The rest of Ziglar’s maxim is worth considering also. To quote its entirety:
“Repetition is the mother of learning, the father of action, which makes it the architect of accomplishment.”
Other maxims from psychological studies indicate that repetition is the KEY to learning.
……………for the slow learners here, ………. I wonder 🤔 😏 🤪
MMM

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MMM if only you had stayed a bit longer in Ireland for further education you’d have heard the Latin proverb ‘Repetitio mater studiorum.’ and your Irish education would have been less mediocre, to use your own word. And you’d know its origin too.

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Thank you @ 11:45 for your kind words.
You speak of a deeper appreciation of what you subscribe to, and your inspiration in ministry. Good on you, for you probably are “helping those with trials, struggles and daily challenges. ”
I wonder however if a non religious supportive counsellor might be equally effective?

A key observation I have to make, is that when I criticise religion, neither you nor anybody else ever puts forward any cohesive convincing proof that your religious beliefs have inherent objective evidential value.

In essence, what is put forward is the usual personal faith and conviction argument, based, at best, on much disputed scriptural writings. I leave scriptural analysis of individual texts significance to knowledgeable individuals like Magna for, taken as a whole, they seem completely unreliable. I have said “at best”, for the more usual response is abusive ad hominem snorts!

I respect any individual’s entitlement to personal religious beliefs, and its accompanying rituals, just so long as it doesn’t expect my own compliant belief. I don’t respect religion per se. Why should I? Why should I be expected to have an automatic respect for what others believe as factual when they provide no evidence?
Some call my questioning stance cynical. Others, conscious of the emotional, psychological and community imperatives of faith belief systems, may see it as consistent and legitimate questioning: especially in these days when, thanks to +Pat and media freedom, so many clerical acolytes of religion have been revealed as charlatans and abusive corrupters of the innocent.
MMM

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It’s interesting, and very revealing, that while my challenge @ 6:14 has now been commented here many times before (for someone to put forward any worthwhile valid evidence or proof for the probity of religious beliefs), the cathbots cannot, and simply continue to concern themselves with the tittle tattle of clerical manoeuvring, rearranging the RCC titanical deckchairs, and of course the ever present sour grapes backbiting of disillusionment.
MMM

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11.55: Speak if you have something worthwhile to say as at 11.45. Your soundbyte “cathbot” is simplistic and childish. Once used in a sentence, it’s part if an inane, vacuous tripe comment. Go find your brain..

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And 1:21 completely demonstrates 11:55’s point that the cathbots want to control what people say, think and do in bed. The funniest thing is when someone says something here and some clown goes ‘thats not Catholic theology’. Yes, that’s the point!
Pat, I love it when you’re in this mood, it drives them mad.

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All of the historic south campus is owned by the Church, which charges rent to MU for the buildings it uses. The Church also owns the land of the new north campus, which is leased to MU. It also owns some buildings on that campus, notably some hostels, and the halls of residence named after US donors, eg Leahy.

All students of St Patrick’s College Maynooth, including the sems, are enrolled automatically in Maynooth Students’ Union, to which a levy is paid. They cannot opt out of membership.

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However, MU is independent, secular and not under any church control, albeit that three representatives of St Patrick’s College (including its president, Fr Mullaney) are ex-officio members of the MU governing authority.

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10.43
I doubt it the Church owns the land of MU. I believe it was sold to MU for a two figure some more than a decade ago.

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Yeah the difference is in a seminary shag week goes on all year and everyone pretends it isn’t happening.
Conversely the church could have a go at taking its commission to evangelise the world more seriously than going round telling people not to have sex like its priests don’t. 🥺

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Thanks, that’s good to know. I will pop in this afternoon to see if they’ll give me PREP.

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11:39 I wish you would. The archdiocese is almost completely dependant on the income from our shares in Gilead Sciences. We just need to find out how to buy shares in Marie Stopes International without the faithful finding out.

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People only have as much power over you as you are prepared to let them. If you feel bullied or abused, walk out.

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That’s essentially what has happened, of course. However the church complicates this by gaslighting you into believing that it is the will of God for you to be bullied or abused.
That’s why it insists on one marriage for life – once you recognise and walk away from abuse in marriage you are close to walking away from an abusive church. And they can’t have that.

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I am always amazed how many lesbians and gays are pro-abortion. It is not as if they have a dog in the fight.

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4:58 It’s because they see how much thought people put in before making there cousin pregnant.

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Farmer the convicted Rosminian durring his ministry also had a relationship with a married parishoner who’s husband was in prison .A complaint was made to the laite former provincial Father Dennis Hare .

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The C of I has a useful policy about allowing priests take time out of ministry and resume when they wish to. They simply let the licence to minister lapse for a number of years.
It has professional advantages. It can give people the opportunity to work in business etc. It’s likely to form part of the RCC going forward.

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3.05
The C of I has incardination but it’s consecutive. The great merit is that a priest will not be appointed to a parish unless he, the parish and the bishop want it.

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If you give your life to a criminal organization which runs a religion as a front you can only expect to be treated badly. It isn’t complicated!

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Why didn’t it work out? Did Monsignor Millar discover dark secrets at Oscott? Was he told to turn a blind eye to activities by the rest of the faculty? We need to know. The revelations about Oscott over the past few days are troubling.

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I just phone the Rosminian Provincial as a former victim of Farmer , and demanded an explanation .He told me to ” Fuck off , and mind your own business ” , and became very angry .

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This isn’t true. No major superior or bishop gives enough of a shit about their clergys victims even to speak to them. 🤣

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12.04: I cannot believe that any superior would say that to you. Absolutely not. There is no way that conversation took place. Can you provide phone evidence? I am sorry for your abuse but this comment is mischief making – out of anger but not acceptable.

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Oh yes it is true -I had someone stood next to me listening to it who can testify .Rosminians have a long and sorry history in the area of abuse .Always the same with the church cast doubt on what the victims say .Deny things were said or happened .Holy Mother Church never ever changes ! I as a victim do not need to justfy what I say to you .

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It concerns me greatly that no announcement has been made about the Auxiliaries in Southwark and Westminster. My understanding is that they were due last week. What on earth has happened.

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Bela Lugosi @ 3.35 hasn’t yet mastered the period, the punctuation period that is.

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Isn’t that Fr Shirley Bassey ? But is he still a priest ? It would appear from his Twitter and Facebook that he is no longer a cleric

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I heard that he was living in one of the empty curates houses in Clonmel for a while but he seems to be back in his hometown of Dungarvan now

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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/right-wing-catholic-blog-launches-scathing-attack-on-francis-brennans-rte-show-35976916.html
“An international catholic blog has launched a scathing attack on Francis Brennan’s latest RTE show over a segment that included an Irish priest performing a drag act as Shirley Bassey. “Father Geoghegan says he is following the parable Jesus preached about not hiding your talents under a bushel but to go out and use them. He is saying that he has a talent for drag and he is using the drag talent that God gave him. “This is a complete mockery of what he is meant to stand for. But it’s a common occurrence at weddings and celebrations he attends. He has a collection of wigs and high heels!
“His bishop is Phonsie Cullinan (Bishop of Waterford & Lismore). No word from His Excellency on when, if ever, this priest will be suspended and banned from publicly scandalizing the faithful.”
Cathal McMahon
July 28 2017

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🎭 Lily Savage in Prisoner Cell Block H -- Wentworth Detention Centre 🎭says:

Lily is charged with stealing a fondue set from Blackler’s of Liverpool and is sentenced to 3 months at Her Majesty’s Prison -Wentworth Detention Centre.
Lily says she didn’t steal the fondue set and, that she did try to tell the Magistrate this. Lily says it’s a pack of lies — a complete packet of tissues.
.https://youtu.be/zpNKJSXXRbU

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Spiritual (so called) Directors from Oscott are a flamboyant lot – a pic appeared on this blog of one dresses in black tights and a short dress – it seemed like a vicar and tarts party and in guessing he wasn’t the vicar!!
The pic then completely disappeared from the blog and on-line – too incriminating I guess but v funny nevertheless.
There is of course a story behind Millars exit just as there is very likely a story about his entrance!! Oh Mrs!
A blog just on Oscott would be fun!!
It’s like the Haunting of Hill House – lots of deep dark secrets to give up of that I am sure.

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Father James Preston mentioned by poster at 4:21pm is the flamboyant one in mini-skirt and supported by tarts seen in the disappeared photo that was on this blog. He went straight to Oscott and was there for at least two years as a Spiritual Director. Where o where is he now?

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That was a picture of Father James Preston, now SD at Oscott, dressed in drag. He has a cracking pair of legs on him 🤣
Has a anyone got that pic to show us?

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Danny La Rue always wanted to be a priest it was his mother who stopped him. Whenever he was at the Birmingham Hippodrome he would always put his flowers in front of the statue of the Virgin in St Catherine’s piles of them

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7:52 And many a young queen failed to make it in drag so made do with the priesthood instead!

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But @ 6:30, isn’t it considerate of him, unlike you, to put his name to what he writes?

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Yes 7:14: silly indeed, for you’ve missed the point, ….that if you’re so easily bored, by providing a consistent pseudonym, it allows your low boredom threshold to avoid getting over stressed.
Considerate indeed.

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MMM’s da was a Mountain from Newcastle. His ma was a Man from Attical. They called him Mourne after the Mountains and because it suited his personality.

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@11:40: his personality? You mean rock solid, like Mourne granite: 👍 👌 💪 😏

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I have sympathy for all the good clergy lumped with an Episcopal leader they do not want. A certain abbot has less than 2 years left. Some Episcopal leaders have 10+ or 20+ years! 🙈

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That’s the trade off when you appoint bishops in their early 50s for their energy, 20+ years of Tommy D.

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I see from the ACP website that they are creaming in their pants because Frank has made a nun the General Secretary of the Governate of the Vatican City State, ie the department that looks after the post office, the fire brigade and the bins.

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6.55: His name??? MournemanMichael could be jack the ripper: MMM is a pseudonym, not his real name. Would you find him if you went to the Mournes? As for Dougie Blue: You could be the local Trannie!! Who knows and who cares? Doggie Blue is not real either! You are an amadan = a fool!!

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Arragh now Marie luv: shure don’t be losing yer head now. Wasn’t that 1793 chop chop guillotine jobbie enough for ye? Surely yer head ending up as a basket case would have taught you to keep yer gob shut?

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https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/nebraska-ag-report-details-clergy
Nebraska AG report details clergy abuse, progress, and open questions on some bishops
News: Church in the United States, Nebraska
Ed. Condon 2 hr ago
“Nebraska’s attorney general has released a report into clerical sexual abuse in the state’s three Catholic dioceses. The report, the result of more than three years of investigation, identified more than 250 victims and identified allegations of clerical sexual abuse against 57 clergy or diocesan employees. It also raises questions about the handling of allegations of clerical sexual misconduct by some of the state’s bishops, both past and present.”

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OSCOTT – it is crying out to be looked at closely and forensically. Over the last few days so many comments have been made about it, about staff, about seminarians. I know it from of old, and it has always been a place of dark secrets. And some entertaining ones, too. Nursey + Longley may wish to be all innocent about it and say that it is such a wonderful place where priests are produced, but he really hasn’t much of a clue, so far removed from the realities of life, of his diocese, and himself, as he is. Undoubtedly a nice man, and kind, and probably genuinely spiritual, but a bit gormless most of the time, which is why he has to leave the hatchet work to his underlings. Things are not right at Oscott, + Nursey ! You need to come out of your lovely little nether world and have a close look. Start with the staff first. Seminarians ? If the staff are sound, the seminarians will be sound. Would Giles have made a difference if he were given more time ? Dunno. Anyhow, he’s other fish to fry these days up in……well, Heaven ? And, I only say that because I’m not sure anymore if there is necessarily one. Ahhh, Diwali and fireworks are being celebrated here in London as I write. Maybe the Hindus have the right idea ?

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Ha ha ha that’s so funny that the pic of Fr James Preston is remembered by some posters – it was funny that it just disappeared along with Fr Preston so it seems – he was ordained for Liverpool I think there are pictures of him with McMahon looking both v pleased with themselves.
Oscott has something of the night about it – strange going on’s over long years most under the radar but bubbling under the surface and like a wheel or furnace where ecclesiastical careers are made or broken on the anvil of Oscott Culture where there are winners and lots of losers.

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Oscott has gifted the Catholic Church in England and Wales with some high octane nuclear grade child abusers – Penny, Walsh, Taylor and more recently Jolly and Quigley – Brum clergy almost to a man run from the playbook of ‘bad apples’ and insist more abuse occurs in families etc blah blah blah (a Elsie canard) but the truth is darker and much more unsettling – there is a gay culture and there has been for years and a clerical gay culture privileges secrets and hypocrisy which is ripe soil for child abusers to go undetected even to be ordained with complicit and criminal
The thing is they think their fooling all of the people all of the time being but there only kidding themselves.
The truth will out – with out being the heart of the matter.
I would posit that Oscott is now predominantly a gay seminary with all its accompanying vices – not least cruelty, spite, Grindr, cliques, incompetence and dazzling brazen hypocrisy.
A straight seminarian is like unicorn droppings and that’s what a gay culture does it ensures they stay away – it was Adam and Eve whereas now it’s Adam and Steve at Oscott!!

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The diagnosis of many of the Church’s problems with its clergy is that so many of them are not only homosexual but also promiscuous, hypocritical and underhand (in such a way, one imagines, as makes the leap into perversion and criminality easier than it would otherwise be). That is no doubt one of the main aspects of the problem, but a book I read while at Oscott (and which perhaps inspired me to leave that awful place) was “After Asceticism: Sex, Prayer and Deviant Priests” by Patrick Guynan (2006). The book argues that the retreat from the ascetic tradition in Catholicism helped start the crisis with which we are so painfully familiar. It takes an empirical approach and it draws together both the ancient teaching and tradition of the Church and modern research. It would also make sense in that a “soft” Church is a very inviting milieu for aimless, narcissistic individuals shorn of the need to provide for a family and/or partner. The traditionalists are half right – a return to tradition is perhaps necessary, but it’s not to the poncy vestments and the ludicrous self-importance of priests of old, but to prayer, poverty and apostolic charity.

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So you were at Oscott post-2006. One of your faculty was a frequenter of gay saunas. Most certainly a deviant.

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Oooh. How intriguing! Was he rather red faced and involved with the funeral of JPII?

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