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JAMES JACKSON – CHILD PORN

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The recent arrest of Fr. James Jackson, a priest, and one of the leading lights of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP), has exposed an insidious reality that is increasingly observed within supporters of the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM; namely the naïve and disastrous view that priests who celebrate the TLM, can do no wrong.

When a priest who celebrates the TLM is accused of misconduct or in this case viewing and downloading images of child pornography — it is a “liberal” conspiracy aiming at silencing a “good priest”.

Fr. Jackson has displayed an autistic-like obsession with the TLM. He firmly belonged in the coterie of “Traditionalists” who opposed lockdowns. He told people to refuse the Covid-19 vaccination (it was part of the Covid religion) usually for spurious reasons. He has espoused a view of the world and the Church that belongs to another age.

The diehard “Traditionalists” will proffer the absurd view that “their priests” are being “set-up” because they stand in opposition to the “modernist” tendencies of the Church and it suits the agenda of their (usually gay) bishop, who is conspiring with the “Freemasons” who seek extermination of “Tradition” with the approbation of the Vatican. Sadly, they cannot accept that the evil of clerical sexual misconduct is just as entrenched among TLM clerics. They, too, display clerical depravity in the same manner as those priests who have sold their souls to celebrate so-called “New Mass”

These are the same supporters of “Tradition” who support a “law and order” agenda. Yet, these same “Traditionalists” (who practically idolise Cardinal Burke) now see the actions of “law enforcement” as being complicit with a “big government” conspiracy intent on the destruction of “conservative values” and the imposition of an illiberal liberalism. These are the same people who seek to impugn the integrity of a sworn affidavit by an experienced vendor agent attesting to the reality of over two terabytes of the most obscene criminal images on an external hard drive owned by Fr. Jackson, FSSP.

The “narrative” of his supporters who are in genuine shock at his arrest is that he was the victim of retaliation because he was opposing a “black mass” at a Satanic temple, and lives in an area festooned with “rainbow flags”, is in the realm of fantasy, and make them look more and more bizarre by the day.

Of course, Fr. Jackson FSSP, enjoys the presumption of innocence until he is convicted before a federal court and/or pleads guilty. However, it is increasingly difficult to see how his innocence can be established before a court of law. If the allegations are true, and he pleads guilty, it will be devastating to the FSSP and to TLM adherents in the United States, who (at times) display the worst aspects of “churchianity” over an authentic Christianity.

The stupidity of traditionalists is eloquently demonstrated by the (apparent) donation of $,1000 to Fr. Jackson’s defence fund by the Benedictine monks of Clear Creek Abbey, Oklahoma, a place favoured and loved by Cardinal Burke. Ironically, Clear Creek Abbey is geographically in the same Diocese (Tulsa) in which Dom Mark Kirby, OSB was given “licence” to do what he liked with impunity.

Speaking about Dom Kirby, and the “Traditionalist” Benedictine we have an Irish connection…

Peter Kwasniewski a diehard loyalist and supporter of Dom Mark Kirby, OSB, (the monk and priest of Silverstream Priory who takes dictation from “Jesus” in the tabernacle) cannot bring himself to condemn and acknowledge that Fr. Jackson, FSSP, has been accused of viewing and downloading child pornography.

KWASNIEWSKI
KIRBY

Kwasniewski, a trained philosopher known for his adherence to supposed “Thomistic” exactitude, refers only to “apparent heinous crimes against the moral law”. Why does he not state very clearly that a priest who is a leading light of the “Traditionalist” movement has been accused of viewing and downloading child pornography, that include (according to the sworn affidavit) themes of occult blasphemy and bestiality? His reductionism is another demonstrable reason why Silverstream Priory should be suppressed immediately by the Holy See. Hypocrisy: thy name is Peter Kwasniewski.

PAT SAYS

I would be interested to know the views of readers who have come across this phenomenon. Is it common in Ireland or in other English-speaking parts of the world?

Do priests who celebrate the TLM think they are above the law?

Does it give very bad name to priests who celebrate the TLM with sincerity and affection, because it reflects their liturgical and spiritual sensibilities?

What does the arrest of Fr. Jackson mean for the FSSP?

What does it mean for the TLM movement in the United States?

179 replies on “TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS AND PAEDOPHILE PRIESTS.”

This mindset is the natural result of thinking that trad Catholicism is the cure for all evils. It automatically places those who attend the old mass in an extra special place.
The reality is that by the early sixties Pope John XXIII had Fr Fitzgerald tell him there was no point trying to rehabilitate them. The pope had this same mindset and as a result ignored the advice and we all know what happened next.
The conspiracy thing is a new development though, and merely demonstrates that supposedly trad Catholics are not actually traditional but casino Catholics into any new thing like Fatima, Divine Mercy and so on.

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What’s really interesting about trads is they’re not Catholic, they’re Protestants. Were they Catholic they would believe and do what the church believes and does. But they do what they themselves want instead, hence needing to add a modifier to Catholic.
The only time the word Catholic needs modifying is for different rites, eg Byzantine rite Catholic.

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In England every Sunday there are over 3,000 Masses said only 47 are in the old rite. The majority of priests do not say the old mass and wouldn’t want to. There are some younger ones who like to ape some of the outward clothing of the cassock on a Sunday but that’s as far as it goes.

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10.30, you forgot to mention the demographic time bomb. The average age of New Mass attendees is 78, and their priests are even older, with an average agevof 83. Neither the laity nor the priests pass on the Novus Ordo faith. Tick-tock.

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10:47
And you too forget the miniscule attendance at the old mass. Leaving aside that you want people dead, their death will leave a tiny tiny church. Of poisonous queens.
Tick tock.

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They are young, have big families, get converts, attract seminarians and novices, and pass on the Faith. Tick-tock.

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@12.51
The state of them. Children, old ladies, Mullaney and a few token male OAPs.

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In what other organisation would such a demographic be given the label of renewal? They cannot get their own children to go to Mass other than when they attend their First (& Last) Holy Communion and their children are unbaptised.

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LOL I love this delusion that the old mass creates vigorous faith and young families. If it did people might go to it. But they don’t.
Because it’s an idol.

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Certainly NOT True all employee’s are protected by Law and as for Clergy they have a right to Rome to Congregation of Clergy that is why in the UK we have so many on C/o or Sabbaticals.
A Bishop only has say in his own Archdioceses as the Church is set up that each Bishop is responsible for their own Dioceses and then straight to Rome.
Archbishops and cardinal is really only titles.
Canon Law protects Bishops, Clergy and Religious.
Civil Law protects employees and more and more employees now due to lack of Clergy.
Admin, Accounts, Facilities Officers, Trades People, HR and PR to name a few departments and even have Trade Unions

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10.35
Jim S. would you please proofread your comments before posting. Then do a crash course on the use of capital letters. Your literacy level is the principal feature you have in common with your nemesis Bela Lugosi.

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Granny Grammar@11:13am
Granny you’re such a bore, would you please go back to the bog you unfortunately escaped.from. You remind me so much of the MIA Magna who I presume is back in rehab.

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Bela Lugosi is funny the way she repeats back what people say. She has copied the alert thing and begins every comment like this now 🤣

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10.35 am

Yes and soon we will have two more going on sabbatical in Clifton Diocese.

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I don’t believe that the adherents of the Latin Mass Society or any such Confraternity see themselves as above the law. They shouldn’t and have no right to think so. Undoubtedly like any big church organisation or group there will be the potential for any priest to act out his pedarist tendencies and commit abuse. This is morally reprehensible. Any abuse by whosoever must be punishable by civil law. There are aspects of the Latin Mass Society which are beautiful but there is a tendency for some clerics to dwell all too much on the dress ritual.

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They are not a big group at all.In London the are only two Low Masses on a Sunday both at the same time. Please identify the priests who say the Old Mass in England who are too obsessed with their dress or give a number. The majority of the Old Masses said in England are by non Diocesan priests who may a cassock as their religious habit.

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Haven’t you seen how the Oratorians drag up? Sadie at Farnborough? The Chelmsford Norbertines?
They’re all obSESSED.

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10.58. Why tell lies? On Sundays there are TLMs in the Oratory, Spanish Place, Warwick Street, St Dominic’s Priory, Clapham Park, Wandsworth, Willesden, Canning Town and Barking.

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11.34. You should check your facts if you are accusing people of telling untruths. Warwick Street doesn’t have a TLM on a Sunday. They use the Ordinariate Use Mass.

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Didn’t the rotund Norbertine abbot have a colourful life when a student at St Bennet’s oxford? Of course, he’s too fat and mitred to get up to much these days.

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They don’t see themselves as above the law, they see themselves as The Only Real Catholics, Conceived Without Sin and Incapable of Error. This is far more dangerous.

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Oul Gossip Alert’@12:59pm
I’m so glad you are amused, you always seem so grumpy. I must try to keep you amused so you don’t bore us all to death with your unwanted and ill-informed pearls of wisdom.🤣🤣🤣

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You could make yourself useful and share anecdotes of your life in the cinema!
If you had a Catholic bone in your body you would understand that Vatican 2 Catholicism is traditional Catholicism, but dressing up in drag and doing a historical reenactment is not Catholicism at all.
Hint: it’s pretend. Like you.

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Pat as an Employee of the Church I used to think this is going somewhere and after I think really you have lost the plot and in a Church of the 90’s at least move on 20 years and into the future.
Wearing a mitre and a pectoral cross or ring saves NO one and that is a fact under this Pontificate but it all goes down to allegations standing up in court in Canon Law either as a Bishop, Diocesan Clergy or Religious sadly you miss that.
There is no way I can convince you but look at the last Papal Nuncio sent to Albania thankfully he has settled down and got a promotion in the ranks.
This does now seem like you want to be Judge and Jury and that does not work leave it to our Canonical process and we will see if your versions stands up.
Finally I do not know a Solicitor, QC who would place most of their evidence on a public forum as an old saying you never tell the right hand what the left hand is doing.
PS instead of wasting money on Legal people and IF needed making Dioceses and Orders waste money on Legal people when we would rather give it to the Poor and Hungry
Thought of the day think of the words of Saint Francis of Assisi

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The Dominicans of Pope’s Quay (Cork) have a regular TLM. usually celebrated by a priest who doesn’t know Latin. Are they not giving very bad example to the resident novices and providing them with a shaky foundation for their lives as priests, if they remain?

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With the exception of the French ICKSP priest in Limerick, every Latin Mass priest I’ve met in Ireland has had an appallingly poor understanding of Latin.

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Pastoral accompaniment? Meeting people where they’re at? Going out to the peripheries and being inclusive, welcoming and non-judgemental? I thought those were how bishops are meant to behave nowadays?

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I do not think that there are more paedophile TLM priests than priests who celebrate the ordinary rite. The TLM requires a fair bit of training and rigour – most priests are morally and liturgically sluggish to put the required effort in. The lax priests are the ones disposed towards pedastry.

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11.07
Lax? Arrant nonsense. Conversely, considering that, anecdotally, it was possible to commit 102 mortal sins while saying TLM by doing the wrong thing at the wrong time, one could argue the abrogated rite is attractive to the obsessive and compulsive personality. There’s an element of superstition about thinking unless you hold your fingers in such a way, you wont please or control God to grant you his grace.

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A mortal sin requires a deliberate intention, who are the priests who start saying the Old Mass and deliberately chose to make mistakes 102 times in a row? Of course there aren’t any protections to the ritual of the Supper of the Lord ( the Mass) 1969 because that would prevent its theme of adaptation. The presider should take the place of the Liturgical commentators of the 1950s and ‘ animate’ the assembly at the greeting, when introducing the brief rite of penance, to introduce the opening prayer , introduce each of the readings, give a homily, introduce the Eucharistic prayer, introduce and conclude the sharing of the Eucharist so that’s ten points of ad lib not including improvising prayers of the faithful. It’s all so rich and nourishing I don’t understand why people stop going.

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@11:43: You “don’t understand why people stopped going” …..?
You gotta be joking!
Isn’t it patently obvious?

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I was never a seminarian nor had I any wish to be one. Any seminarians I’ve met have been rather odd and I kept my distance from them, as I do with priests, on personal safety grounds.

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Is that meant to be an insult, 12.39? Any ex-sems I know keep it a secret, lest people think they are a nonce.

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12:47 ‘Personal safety grounds’ PMSL.
You need not fear anyone coming on to you.

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We can be quite sure that Alan didn’t run off to get married, not to a woman, anyway. 👬. Camper than a row of 🏕️🏕️🏕️

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Excuse me, 1.58pm, Maynooth would never admit a gay candidate and certainly would not ordain one, as that would be in defiance of the clear instructions of Popes Benedict and Francis that gay men are not to be admitted to seminaries. Bishops are very keen to follow instructions from Rome during this pontificate so I’m sure they are extra vigilant to prevent it happening.

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I thought receipts dispensing a priest from the obligations of the clerical state forbade teaching in a catholic college.

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Can someone explain please? Fr Dwayne Gavin of Meath is now director of pastoral care in Bons Secours in Cork and is not listed on its site as ‘Fr’ but I think he was online saying mass in Cork. Is he still a priest of Meath or Is he now a priest in Co Cork?

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Why would a priest with pederastic, ephebophilic or paedophilic tendencies be attracted to traditionalism?

Mainstream UK society is very wary of RC priests (and with good reason, you might say) and we have developed a reasonably rigorous (if imperfect) system of pre-employment checks and procedures (both professional and legal) for complaints made against any person. Someone like Jolley is probably quite afraid of being caught, one day, for something he has done or might do.

The traditionalist movement, in its many forms, is distinctly international and authoritarian (although it has almost anarchistic tendencies towards both secular and ecclesiastical authority). About ten years ago, I applied for admission to the FSSP seminary and I was surprised how lax their safeguarding was compared to the diocesan system. Thankfully, they turned me down (I didn’t have the means to pay for their seminary). One imagines that a potential abuser might prefer the laxer system, which relies more on its judgement of your “soundness” than on any psychological or legal checks. Trad priests also possess a much higher status and “authority” than their diocesan equivalents meaning, if they were so minded, troubling access to children would be easier than as a harried and watched parish priest.

There might also be a hint of sadistic pleasure in frightening the poor faithful about hell on Sundays while committing your own faithless debaucheries in private. And, if you feel the need to flee, the FSSP or ICKSP (or whatever) can easily whisk you to the other side of the world. Out of sight, out of mind.

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Every English Diocesan seminarian has gone through St Luke’s so of course they are all squeaky clean, mature and open servant leaders. They are most definitely not predatory homosexuals they follow the Servant King wherever his Kingdom reigns …

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I never pretended any system of checks was perfect, but surely it is better to put seminarians through St Luke’s (or something like it) if it only weeds out, say, 1 in 4 potential absuers. Three quarters may still get through, but some have been removed. DBS checks do not screen out would-be abusers who have not yet been caught, but should we do away with them too?

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St Luke’s is a joke. Its director went straight to seminary at 18 and has lived his whole existence in the bosom of the holy mother church. Mid seminary, he decided to go double-barrelled. Checks should be made by an independent body that doesn’t attempt to cloak psychological assessment in spiritual mumbo jumbo.

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Excellent comment, thank you.
It takes at least 20-30 years for a large scandal to break so these traddy groups will be news in around ten years. Unless this is the start.

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If we take Jolley as a case study:
1. He seems not to have sought access to children to abuse them in his role as a priest. Perhaps he entered the priesthood with the desire to abuse children, but he maybe found he was too closely watched and monitored to avail himself of any opportunities.
2. When he did attempt to gain access to children to abuse them, he sought to through the seedy underbelly of Grindr (how did he know how to gain access to that world? The mind boggles at the very thought). He sought to cover his tracks through various means, which might have worked had the man he met not been a policeman.
3. His interest in traditionalism is perhaps best explained by his desire to gain access to a world where “Father” is not questioned and where abuse is either ignored or explained away (Fr de Malleray is a nice but rather hapless man). If he had been successful, he might have gone on to abuse for any number of years, only to be stopped by one brave survivor. It’s noteworthy that trad abusers seem only ever to be stopped by the secular authorities (I wonder if the trads will turn Fr Jackson FSSP into a sort of latter-day St Thomas of Canterbury).
Of course, this does not mean that every trad priest is an abuser, or sympathetic towards abusers. But it does mean that it is a milieu which is (hopefully unwittingly) easier for them to operate within. The traditional mass (and associated rites) should therefore only be offered by diocesan priests in good standing, who are subject to the normal safeguarding procedures and expectations. Traditionalist laypeople should also be quite sober about the risks posed to children and the vulnerable.

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Jolley was/is a Novus Ordo diocesan priest who went through a Novus Ordo so-called seminary and was ordained by a Novus Ordo bishop.

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2:17 It has obviously escaped your attention that all of these trad pantomime dames are also ordained by NO bishops, themselves ordained in the NO. Even the SSPX has priests ordained in the NO.
Did you think there was some lala trad land going on somewhere served by hobbits?

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Yet he never seems to have acted on his evil predilections in his guise as a Novus Ordo priest. He seems to have leant towards traddery so as to be able to act on his evil desires before he was caught by the police.

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The half-wit Ivor Pain mentioned Fr de Melleray for an unknown reason. Jolley had nothing to do with the FSSP and nonced as a diocesan priest.

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The perspective of some traditionalists within the Roman Catholic Church can at times be difficult to comprehend. One case that comes to mind is the letter that Bishop Alphonsus Cullinane sent to schools, dated Oct 10th 2017 stating that yoga is not suitable for parishes. He also warned against mindfulness. Apparently yoga was not of Christian origin and not suitable for a parish school setting especially not during religious education time.
This is the same esteemed bishop who has no difficulty being close to and working beside Dom Richard Purcell who has allegedly visited the Boilerhouse gay sauna and engaged in bareback sexual intercourse. The double standards are shocking. The only reasonable conclusion that can be drawn is that it is ok for a priest to engage in sex with other men in a gay sauna yet not okay for children to practice yoga and mindfulness with the aim of helping them relax and deal with modern day anxieties. So called traditionalists are entitled to their views, but the double standards that are often deployed is nothing short of infuriating.

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What the “trads” leave out is the ascetic and spiritual rigour once characteristic of Catholic priests and religious. Not for them the penances of St Cuthbert, or the patient teaching and charity of St Bede. They identify myopically with one aspect of tradition – the liturgy – while omitting the system of spiritual life and self-denial which made it vigorous and life-giving (personally, I think the Novus Ordo and Mass of Paul VI are just as life-giving when one lives an ascetic life). Rather, they are rather poorly educated and unintegrated aesthetes who identify themselves as saviours when they are probably in need of much more help themselves.

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@12:30pm
You’re such a pain Ivor, I’ve never met a “polyester” priest who’d ever heard of St. Bede or the penances of St. Cuthbert or indeed any traditional Catholic belief. (personally I think the Novus Ordo and Mass of Paul VI crafted by the mason Bugnini has as much value as a non Catholic communion service) They really have to be educated in what The Mass is. The Holy Sacrifice of Mt. Calvary, not a commemoration of The Last Supper, which is heresy and what the Prods erroneously believe.

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1:47 I can’t find where it talks about polyester in any documents of the magisterium.

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Cullinane‘s appointment is an example of how the process of Bishop appointments is deeply flawed. Cullinane was a mediocre priest in Rathkeale with no particular pastoral skills or theological expertise. He was seen by fellow clerics as an odd man with silly outdated views on the Church. It is however these views that got him elevated. The link with rawhide Purcell remains a mystery. I do not know what Purcell does for Phonsie or what Purcell has on Phonsie. The mind boggles! Other recent episcopal appointments I believe are similar in their oddness. Mediocre priests who will not challenge due to the lack of their intellectual rigour or moral compass.

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1.21.
No Japanese on the Leinster team. Logical reason. Most excellent comment 1.21 . Mediocrity is the currency.

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1.21: Forget about Monk Purcell. Get over him…(not literally..). 😂😁🤣😂😁. Fool.

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Obviously promiscuous gay sex is ok.
Only joking. I suspect he would say that the yoga is being carried out publicly so is easily condemned. I suspect that since the Abbot has not been convicted of any wrong doing, and may even deny the gay sex if asked, there wouldn’t be a reason not to concelebrate with him.
This is actually a real problem for me, that you are expected to be in ‘communion’ with people whose actions you abhor.
Personally I’d rather make my own discernment and stay away from them.
It also reflects that a bishop isn’t really doing much in the way of pastoring and is a figurehead.

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Another vintage day, Pat, and always nice to see Bela Lugosi going off on one. I’ve found an insane people of Facebook bingo card, and I’m checking things off. I just need someone to mention the great reset.

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@2:09pm

There is no mention of polyester in the Magisterium. But you must be myopic if have not noticed that’s what that lot wear instead of proper vestments. Hence the description ‘Polyesters’, try spec savers. You can’t miss the zips and swathes of polyester that they drape themselves with.

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The God who clothes the lilies of the fields is not impressed with gold vestents, intricate laces and crimson capppa magnas.

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+Pat: Is this the same Godfellah that spews volcanic ash over peasants’ crops in La Palma just now? Must be a right busy fellah.
I was watching Professor Brian Cox’s program on the Universe the other night. He spoke of the Keplar observations of billions of stars with countless billions planets, and the possibilities of life elsewhere than just Mothership Earth. Bet that keeps the Godfellah busy too!
The program is repeated on BBC2 @ 6:10 tonight.
Food for thought.
MMM

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Auld gossip a Lert at 2.07,

the Only vintige you no anything about Is pollyesther buckfast.

now Give us All a Breack And feckin Play insane Bingo.

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To cut to the chase, there are far fewer priests who exclusively celebrate the old mass so there will be numerically fewer kiddy fiddlers. The percentage is likely to be the same for priests across the board but with the old rite ones will be difficult to establish because of there being so few of them.
The only thing clearly established by the discussion today is that the two sides loathe each other yet refuse to see that they are the reason the church is fizzling and are bizarrely mystified that Islam is coming up behind them!

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In a decade or two, when Ireland and the UK are majority Muslim countries, there won’t be Masses of any kind.

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That’ll be lovely. Hopefully they’ll lock you up (or worse) and stop your trolling.

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God is impressed with the ordinary clothing of the people which Jesus pre. Jesus condemned those who wore elegant clothing and dined magnificantly.

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3.44

John O Donohue has a beautiful piece in Anam Cara about our two faces… as the beauty of our faces fades ( the one that fronts our skulls) the face on our hearts grows more beautiful . Indeed, a lot can be told from the texture of heart tissue after death.

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Yes Bill. And of course those of us with the spiritual gift of discernment have an inkling of that.

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Hope ye didn’t watch it yerself 7.57. It would have taxed yer wee brain far too much.
It requires a modicum of intelligence to follow scientific analysis programmes, but all ye need for religion is a wee bit of that marvellous quality: FAITH!

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Good advice Kieran. That guy regularly using the Moanin Minnie sobriquet seems like needing to conserve what sparse cellular activity he has.
Seems like the ‘bee in his bonnet like brain’ activates every time MMM comments, and always with the same repetitious deprecation. I suppose his limitations restricts his capacity to comment anything more constructive.

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3.25: Then Pat – why do you flap about town in your crimson and purple? Why constantly post photos of yourself in your vestments, cross, staff, hat, ring, belly band, etc..?? When you lecture others about what you think GOD isn’t impressed with, look at yourself. Please. Then the hypocrisy might fall off your skin!!

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I do not wear purple around town. The picture you spoke of was taken 20 + years ago. I generally wear a black suit and a grey shirt. My cross and ring are silver and were bought on eBay.

Of course, I dress respectfully for Mass in at least an alb and stole.

I do not wear any medieval tat.

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3.51: The response of a man who is caught in hypocrisy…Irrespective of the decades ago picture of yourself and eBay regalia, you still dress up to look important. Pat, stop, think, reflect…That you wear eBay products does not make you humbler than Bishop Cullinan. I don’t wear tat either…nor do most clerics..

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I am not saying this is what is happening for him but if I were in Pat’s position I would make a point of getting ordained a bishop and then wear as much tat as I could lay my hands on just to take the piss.
As it happens I am a minister of the Universal Life Church which will literally ordain anyone!

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@9:17pm

Kiieran do wan, I’d rather have FAITH. The day will come when you wish you had some, all your modicum of so called intelligence and scientific analysis will do you no good when you stand at the Judgement Seat.

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@10:40: I recall an eminent psychiatrist once explaining how it was impossible to have a logical discussion hoping to impart understanding with someone ill with psychotic paranoid delusional obsessions. For such a patient, everything, no matter how logical or objective is simply incorporated into their paranoid perceptions.
A similar and parallel observation has been made by critics of religion, particularly the obdurate inability of many religious believers to look objectively at all the evidence.
So there’s really no point arguing against “faith.” It’s impervious to reason, evidence, or simple common sense!
Seems odd though that with all this importance attached to “The Jucgement Seat” business, nobody, in the flesh or spirit, ever returns from the “beyond” with concrete evidence for all us oul unbelievers.

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3.42

I think Jesus would appreciate your grandmothers crystal decanter which was at some stage pictured on the blog. Indeed we do not know the vessel out of which was poured the ointment on his feet ( and a Biblical scholar would know what feet represented).

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3.59: Stop digging Pat….you’re behaving like a rabbit caught in hedlights….the very act of dressing up as a bishop is a sign of wanting to look important. Would you ever not dress up?

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My daily dress us the traditional dress of a priest.

Do you not think that priests are more hated these days than thought important?

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4.07: Pat, we are not so much hated but seen as irrelevant, mostly, as are bishops of every hue, including your good self. We may each personally carry out a good ministry but collectively we are looked upon with apathy and indifference. We matter to some. Saying this, your blog has allowed horrible invective to be directed at priests in a nasty, hateful way.

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When have I ever published a blog about a priest that was untrue?

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4:07pm
Patsy I still think the best picture of you is the one with your Mammy Lord rest her, where you are wearing a very nice Mitre and brocade chasuble you look great and very much the part. I hate you in polyester, Sorry!

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Pat at’4:19, ‘father’ isn’t concerned about whether what you say is true, he doesn’t like attention being drawn to the fact that he works for a criminal organization which has been accused of torture.

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Yes Pat, my point was that ‘father’ is interested in being treated with deference, not the truth.

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A youngish benedictine monk who celebrates the TLM had a tumultuous homosexual affair with an A&B seminarian (now a priest) who gave him herpes.

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Come off it, if you’re talking about England there isn’t a single Benedictine even vaguely youngish 🤦

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Dressing as a bishop is only seen as trying to look important by those who think bishops are important.

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1:21 I think the problem with Rawhide Purcell goes beyond just him. I always suspected that the Benedictines and Cistercians of so called strict observance had a habit of concealing their clandestine activities. Their orders are typically secretive and their nature is to do things in private. The difference maybe with Purcell is that he took this activity beyond the monastery in doing what he did in the kitchen of Roscrea college and beyond the monastery walls by visiting the Boilerhouse.

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https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cfrs-allegations-raised-by-friar
CFRs: Allegations raised by friar are ‘unfounded’
News: Franciscan Friars of the Renewal
The Pillar
The Franciscan Friars of the Renewal said Friday that external investigators have concluded a series of unspecified misconduct allegations made against the community are unfounded. The allegations were made last year by a friar in the community. In a statement released Friday, the religious institute said that in late 2020, a religious brother in the community “went on record to make numerous…allegations against the Institute and its members, ranging from inappropriate sexual behavior to complaints about the atmosphere and operations of the Community.”

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1.21 Cullinane will not do anything to damage his chance of an Archdiocese. Taking a stand against the Lord Abbot Purcell would not help but hinder his ambitions. Criticising schools who help their students from a mental health standpoint is low hanging fruit for a personality like Cullinane. He couldn’t help himself.

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I mostly disagree with what appears on this blog but the guest posting today is excellent. It is fair and balanced. It reflects many of my own thoughts and concerns about a dangerous mentality that is becoming increasingly common in TLM circles.

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6:24pm

I think you should be equally concerned with what is too common in Novus Ordo circles, with a dangerously heretical mentality verging on apostasy. Which has become jncreasingly worse in recent years. I don’t think the comments you say are fair or balanced in any way the are all slanted to one side only, and in my opinion ,the wrong side.

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I literally looove the way people keep posting statistics like this here and drawing random fantasy conclusions. 😂
Like the clown who made out 60- something first year seminarians indicated they were doing better than all the rest of the church.
You have to say it for the trads, they’re good at utter fiction.

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Is it really progress in any real way? FSSP priests tend not to be well-educated and they minister within silos of traditionalism utterly cut off from both the wider world and the mainstream Catholic Church. In Warrington, UK, they are constructing (what they call) a “trad village”. These are people who are both incapable and unwilling to live and function in the modern world, skilled at raising money and brainwashing people into surrendering their own time, talents, money and lives for the sake of their superstition. For all the reasons outlined above, they also risk becoming a haven for abusers. Did Jolley want to see how far he could go and how much he could get away with in the FSSP?

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France is known for its strange polarisations in both politics and the Church. The fact so many new priests are trads is quite disturbing.

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9:06 You could do with being more precise and particularly understanding that in France the trad/normal divide isn’t about polyester. What you mean to say is 20% of the ordinations in France are of Nazis.

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Interesting read. Some bishops appear to ignore the recommendation of their selection committee. This appears to have also happened in the case of a member of staff at Oscott.

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This statement to IICSA is Canon Paul Farrer’s biggest and greatest downfall? Just wait and see!

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I’m amazed that a candidate with 12 convictions was admitted, with the candidate being described as merely having had “a brush with the law”. 🤔

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@9:15pm

Iver stop being such a pain, you should thank Almighty God that so many new priests are trads. it would be very disturbing if it was your lot,. France would be finished.

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My own tastes are quite trad but I have the sense to realise that it’s all rather fruity. The authority and respect given to “trad” priests is abominable and bizarre. They exempt themselves from all normal expectations and then people are shocked when they behave terribly. I wish there were more Latin Novus Ordo masses. It’d kill off the TLM pretty quickly. As it happens, Latin NO masses are like hen’s teeth.

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It throws a rather unflattering light on priestly selection, at least. That a man with twelve convictions could be sent to seminary beggars belief. What was in the mind of the vocations’ director and the bishop? At least he was dismissed from seminary.

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That’s right, Ivor, but even though he was dismissed by Valladolid, his diocese kept him on as a sem, only for the problems to recur.
The rector also referred to a sem who had fake ID, had been dismissed from two Polish seminaries, and also from a Czech seminary, which he hadn’t told anybody about. I’ve never heard of a candidate who had dismissed by two seminaries being admitted again. By the time he was in Valladolid hevwas on his fourth seminary enrollment.
Surely these basic checks should be made, as secular recruiters do when they require full work histories and the reasons for leaving previous jobs.

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It’s crazy that he was able to go to so many seminaries, but not unknown. A friend of mine managed to go to four seminaries without ever managing to be ordained. Valladolid, Ars, Gricigliano and Oscott.

The low standards beggar belief. No nurse training course or teacher training course would allow someone with twelve convictions (not a youthful dalliance, one imagines) to begin training, or someone whose identity could not be verified. I remember thinking, when I was in seminary, that some of the seminarians would never be allowed into a polytechnic, nevermind to train for a profession.

O tempora, O mores!

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1.21 Cullinan is a disaster for Waterford. Zero vision and an old fashion approach. I suspect he models himself of John Charles McQuaid. Cullinan is intellectually and socially outdated and past it. I do however believe his friendship and closeness with Richard Purcell is motivated by kindness and humanity.

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Is kindness and humanity the right approach to a misbehaving abbot? Is challenge not needed to?

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Bishop Alphonsus in the first instance needs to preventively suspend by Decree the faculties of Purcell to function as a priest within Diocese of Waterford & Lismore. Then, he needs to write to the Congregation for Religious to request the Dicastery to order an Apostolic Visitation of Mount Melleray Abbey with the supplemental requests that an interim superior from outside the community is appointed for the duration of the investigation, and that Purcell is required to reside outside the abbey until the findings of the visitation are published.

Richard Purcell should welcome with open arms the opportunity to vindicate his good name and to expose Pat Buckley as a liar and a mischief-making charlatan. Perhaps, Rawhide is afraid that Buckley is telling the truth…

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Purcell will play for time. The Purcell scandal will be forgotten in a few months.

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8.56: Pat, give some credit to Bishop Cullinan. You preach much about mercy: allow others practise that virtue, even if you believe it’s undeserved. Are you as a “shepherd” not suppose to be Christ-like and admonish, advise, forgive but also challenge wayward, sinful behaviour? Surely, we mustn’t crush others in the name of Christ nor leave them for dead? There are enough lynch mobs who’d love that but a Christ-shepherd??

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Phonsie was a real Marmite seminarian, with a minority liking him but most of his contemporaries having little time for his bumptiousness, overly serious and overly pious manner coupled with his attention seeking in the song contest, where he thought he was Frank Sinatra. He certainly wasn’t seen as bishop material.
His behaviour over Mount Melleray is very disappointing. All he need do is investigate Pat’s claims once and for all, and if there’s a case to answer, do something. If it’s all lies he can say that too.
I thought we’d moved on from the episcopal denials and obstructions that have been disastrous for the victims and for the health of the Church. It appears thatvwe haven’t.

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This has been an interesting, thought-provoking and generally well-behaved discussion. Thanks for hosting it, Bishop Pat.

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If perspective is needed on the claim that the FSSP is going from strength to strength I have just come across an interesting figure. The Archdiocese of Boston has 617 diocesan priests as opposed to the 336 priests incardinated in the FSSP in the link above.
That means internationally, it has just over half the clergy of a normal diocese.
Far from going from strength to strength, that’s a side interest for tat queens.

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Has there been any response by the bishops to the ACP statement the other day about poor treatment of priests by bishops, or has it all blown over owing to the ACP’s failure to name names?

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9.32: Pat, evil is a strong word to use re: Abbot Purcell. His behaviour as outlined on this blog is totally unacceptable, morally, spiritually and ethically. But describing this as evil is incorrect. I’m glad you give some approval to my comment. When you or I or any cleric are asked to visit a parishioner who is a prisoner do we say ‘no way’ – I dissociate myself from “evil” people! Can anyone acting in CHRIST turn away from a sinner, even when a crime is heinous? Tomorrow is Prisoner Sunday!!! (In Catholic Church). I ask myself these questions.

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