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SHOCKING RTE PROGRAMNE ON TUAM BABIES.

Tuesday night’s RTE programme on the buried children of Tuam was a shocking summary of what we know to date.

But the buck stops with the Bon Secour nuns who ill-treated and starved those babies to death before storing their poor little bodies in a sewerage tank.

The buck also stops with the Archdiocese of Tuam in whose territory this holocaust took place.

The following must now happen:

1. The Irish government must now put a commission of archaeologists, medics and lawyers in charge of the whole operation. Catherine Corless must me a vital part of that commission and perhaps chairperson.

2. All others, especially any Catholic Church person or their lackies, must be kept totally away from this investigation to stop them interfering – as is their way.

3. All the bodies must be carefully removed and taken to a secure and respectful location where the work of reassembling all individual babies must take place.

4. A full report should be prepared on each little baby and a huge effort made to identify them from DNA, birth certificates, death certificates etc.

5. Where possible every effort should me made to discover and approach any family members of the baby and give them full information on their deceased little relative.

6. When the work is over a solemn and impressive monument should be erected in Tuam naming all the children who perished in the Catholic Concentration Camp in Tuam.

7. The state should call a national day of mourning for the victims and a State ceremony of Remembrance should be held. All Catholic bishops, priests and religious should be banned from being present at this ceremony.

8. New legislation should be brought in to be able to charge any individual Tuam nun still living alongside legislation to charge the Bon Secour order and Tuam Archdiocese with corporate manslaughter.

96 replies on “SHOCKING RTE PROGRAMNE ON TUAM BABIES.”

Interesting. I met a lawyer recently who said the Church is overwhelmed with section 15 Subject Access Requests. Most institutions and companies find them a colossal waste of their time as you can’t charge for them – they observed the RC Church has deep pockets and pays for them to respond to each one. Nice little earner, which will soon eat up the little auld ladies offerings.

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The full truth of the Tuam Mother and Baby Home has yet to be revealed. We have information already but some historians, commentators and professional bodies seem a little sceptical of the evidence to date. The full truth is absolutely necessary. None of the nuns who worked there are alive as I understand. The Order must still express an opinion and contribute more to any redress funds or to any monument. I believe they want to do more but they have to co-operate with government agencies. Apart from the nuns, we have to accept that many people knew what happened and said nothing, county councillors, politicians, medics, the government, the western health board..We must have the full and complete truth as soon as possible. Today Minister Gorman said excavation will begin sometime in 2022: for God’s sake, why the delay? Perhaps uncomfortable truths will be alleged against some high profile people! Even the report into the “Grace” abuse investigation is horrendous and present day ministers knew and know the truth but won’t act or respond to legitimate questions being asked. Fianna Fail TD, John McGuinness was powerful in the Dail re: this report. Similar strong voices must be heard about the Tuam Scandal and scandals of present times. All who were/are responsible for running these homes – religious or health boards in some cases have left a painful, distressing and traumatic legacy. For now families and relatives grieve. While you Pat, may want to whip clerics and religious into sewers, these people must have imput into what a Remembeance Day might be like. We may have to establish a truth and reconciliation committee to initiate a journey of truth, healing and justice. All relevant personnel must contribute to this. I am saddened that the Bin Secours did not become more priactive when this story broke. I know some of these nuns and they have worked brilliantly in hospitals in our country and in Peru and other missions. They are a very fine order of teaching and nursing sisters. but the Tuam Banies blights all their other good work. Let’s phone our public representatives..

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10.03 am.
I would most certainly concur with you there Pat.
Nevertheless if the nuns are dead they will have faced ‘Judgement Day’ and I would not want to have been in their shoes.

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“The state should call a national day of mourning for the victims and a State ceremony of Remembrance should be held. All Catholic bishops, priests and religious should be banned from being present at this ceremony.”
“Apart from the nuns, we have to accept that many people knew what happened and said nothing, county councillors, politicians, medics, the government, the western health board.”
Should county councillors, politicians, medics, the government and the western health board be banned as well? The state will have to be banned from the national day they’ll be calling?

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Pat off record, The Basement area under Pugin Hall needs to be excumed. Pat go deeper into the time of Ledwith. Ground exrays will present the evidence.

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It’s very hard to hear and believe the way this Religious Congregation in Tuam behaved towards these woman and children. My Aunt was a Daughter of Charity in North William St. I loved going their with my Granny where I was spoiled altogether by the Sisters.

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Pat it was the parents of the women that sent their daughters to these homes that committed the torture. If they were not so snobbish about a daughter who would have got pregnant than it would not have happened. All around the country there are young women who got pregnant but were not sent to these homes and I say well done to the families who done this. I know there was a stigma about unmarried mothers at the time, but some of those parents raised their grandson or granddaughter as one of their own children.

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Has there been any comment from the battalion of ex-priests who work for the Bons and who all seem to have head or director of mission in their titles?

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8.11: An irrelevant comment. Stop beating people who had nor have any responsibility for the Tuam Scandal. Look at your own life and to your own conscience.

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@8:11
I don’t think they’re all ex-priests? Fr Dwayne Gavin is still a priest.
@11:24
You seem to be defending th em all week

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Extreme views and proposals. Let the babies rest. There is a fine balance of doing the right and appropriate actions. I was a home baby and if I was buried that cemetery, I most certainly would not want my remains reassembled or my name engraved on an impressive monument. The simple but profound act of being remembered in prayer is significant. I do not want this to be a political circus, and I suggest Ms. Corless donates the royalties of her book to charity.

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‘if I was buried that cemetery, I most certainly would not want my remains reassembled or my name engraved on an impressive monument.’
This comment is a troll comment.

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Anon at 8.20am

I would respectfully request the nuns and the state to contribute their monies instead of Ms Corless royalties instead.

Cos Ms Corless did her bit re her work. Now it’s high time for the nuns and the state including Galway County Council to do something constructive instead of arguing or dragging it on or kicking the can down the road further.

Cos it was they who started first and must finish it now before anyone else including their monetary contributions as well.

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8.20: You are right to some extent. But what I would prefer is that people like Pat would stop abusing facts and information to suit his vitriolic agenda against the Church. He uses and abuses tragedies to promote a viciousness and nastiness of commentary against Church personnel. He embellishes on bits of information, thus reabusing survivors all over again. If it is his wish that all clerics be thrown aside in any commemoration ceremony, he too should keep his mouth shut. He is not a saviour.

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I don’t think the successors of the child torturers should have any place at a Remembrance ceremony.

It would be like having Adolph Hitler’s grandson ar a Remembrance in Auschwich.

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Speaking for myself as a survivor I do not find this blog re-abusing.
On the contrary, I find this blog is very therapeutic. Keep up the great work Bishop Pat.

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There is absolutely no need whatsoever to abuse facts and information or use and abuse tragedies to suit an agenda against the Church. Church personnel discredit themselves unable to stop giving scandal through abuse corruption and criminality.

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‘If it is his wish that all clerics be thrown aside in any commemoration ceremony’
You just can’t help pushing yourselves forward and expecting seats at the front on every occasion.

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12.46: TRUTH matters in seeking justice. Lies do not help as it appears you may be content with. Of course people like you love rewriting narratives. Many people outside the Church need to own up and accept responsibility for past tragedies.

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1:13: Many people inside the Church need to own up and accept responsibility for covering
up abuse, protecting abusers, gaslighting survivors, using lackeys outside the clerical
fraternity to do some of their dirty work for them,etc.. while claiming to follow Christ’s vision.
Perhaps a Truth and Reconciliation Commission might be appropriate following an investigation of all dioceses in the country.

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Absolutely, 2:00.
Judging by the reaction we keep getting here there is no hope of that happening. But that just means the church will end up being controlled by law, and frankly that can only be good.

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3.15, or to rephrase, do as you would not be done by the police. No Holy Spirit, no belief, no prayer. Established 1954 (or 1946).

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3.21: Don’t ascribe something to me which I never said. I merely stated that if Pat wishes for no clerical presence at any possible commemorative service, he too should stay away. Who’d want him? If we support a truth and reconciliation forum, all relevant personnel and agencies will have to sit around a table. No one who had any role in the Tuam Tragedy should be excluded. And Pat therefore would not have a role of any kind. He is too biased, partisan and prejudiced.

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Pat at 4:36, quite. We live in a world in which fascists expect the other side of the holocaust to be taught.
I’m slightly older than you and am really hoping I’m not around if this kicks off. Unless we’ve all choked to death by then.
The only wonder to me is that anyone would bring children into the world now.

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Thank you, Pat, for drawing attention to these documentary films about places like Tuam for without your willingness to distribute such material we Irish living outside Ireland would be unaware of the current Irish government attempts to hide the evidence of Church abuse. The government is not willing to hand over the evidence of details that individuals experienced, even though the irish electorate has rejected Catholic social policy. I do not agree with your theological views, but I commend your honesty in broadcasting these stories of Catholic abuse.

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Archbishop Duffy may well move this investigation along. He is an intelligent man who knows about historical research and can therefore assist anybody requesting access to important materials. Yesterday’s vitriol must be put aside.

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There was no vitriol against Duffy yesterday, stop trying to spin a yarn. He’s a safe pair of hands who won’t do anything to rock the boat.

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@10.45am Is rocking the boat or acting in a risky manner your preference? I suggest that is a ridiculous statement in relation to the appointment of an archbishop. Oh yes, we must have somebody who takes huge risks (buying London property at an inflated price) and who takes every opportunity to challenge everything (thus getting nothing substantial done). What a foolish position to take. You would never make the grade if you were 1,000 miles from an appointments committee.

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10:32,
Is there an Episcopal leader who will take on a Pilgrimage of Reconciliation during Advent, to walk across their Diocese as a sign of solidarity and repentance to all who have been hurt?

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https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2021/11/11/pope-francis-says-global-reset-is-real-no-return-to-normality-after-the-pandemic/

Pope Francis Says Global Reset Is Real: No ‘Return to Normality’ After the Pandemic

“ROME — Humanity needs a global reset because the unjust, pre-pandemic world is not worth going back to, Pope Francis asserted Monday.
In a message to the Paris Forum on Peace, the pope painted a dire picture of a pre-coronavirus world dominated by corruption, war, and capitalistic oppression.”

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This really is rubbish reporting in which the pope saying humanity NEEDS a reset is turned into saying the reset conspiracy theory is real.
Hint: if you think the reset is real, try turning yourself off and on again.

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The great reset is not a conspiracy theory. Read World Economic Forum Founder
and Executive Chairman Klaus Rothschild Schwab book called ‘Covid 19:
The Great Reset.’
Hint: Bergoglio is not in the business of promoting conspiracy theories.
It’s conspiracy fact.

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Hint: a virus is not a ‘reset’ of any sort or the whole world would be reset every year with flu.
It’s a conspiracy theory.

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4:45 pm
You’re not too far from the truth…
Read Schawbs book or at least research it.
Hint: Pretext.

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5:12
Well of course I’m right because no great reset is going on.
Hint: the surveillance chips are in the horse wormer.

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6:31 pm

I didn’t say you are right. You are not right.
The Reset has kicked off whether or not you know it.
Hint: Do your own research.
Research what is in the SARS 2 Covid -19 vaccine from various sources.

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You said the magic words!
‘Do your own research’.
I have and have concluded you’re deluded.
Hint: research doesn’t mean Facebook.

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11:04 pm
You are exhibiting illusory delusional thinking.
I’m not on facebook.
Knowledge has power to save lives.
Hint: Wake up. Do more research. You’ll find out before long the reset is under way.

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Virginity and Celibacy are cloaks or masks they deceive and hide cruelty, sadism, homosexuality and lesbianism (many if not most nuns are lesbians) and egregious criminality.
A proud Catholic is deceived there is nothing to be proud of – the Tuam baby scandal combined with the child abuse scandal and cover up expose a dark criminality in the dark heart of Catholicism.

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You know, one of these days you’re going to discover the dictionary doesn’t define truth as ‘what 3:02 says it is’.

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Surprised today’s comments have not blamed Fr Richard Purcell for this scandal too. He seems to be blamed for everything else going wrong in the Catholic Church.

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These comments are so funny. I don’t know the person they think they’re talking to but it certainly ain’t me 😂

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3.02pm

I feel no shame for expressing my view – priestly celibacy manifestly contributes to a culture of hypocrisy and active homosexuality whilst masquerading as virtue and vocation – and I couldn’t think of a more egregious crime and cruelty than the discarding into a sewer without a burial rite of over 1000 babies – the roots of this kind of sadism lies in the imposition of involuntary celibacy and repressed sexuality.
Just as most clergy are repressed homosexuals so too most nuns are unhappy lesbians.
I think what you object to is the veracity and Occam’s razor like nature of the analysis because the truth hurts and can be revolting but it also heals and liberates.

You should try it!!

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4.41: More No verifiable facts and commentary. Way over the top and very embellished. Yes, I believe clericalism has produced much, much harm and almost irreparable hurt on too many people, including on many priests. That is why I keep very close contact with balanced, well adjusted and good priest colleagues. We express truth to one another. The connection too with parishioners is also very helpful in remaining grounded. Sir, I am as grounded in reality, my humanity, priesthood, ministry, relationships – perhaps in ways more than you. Thanks to a wise spiritual director and a wonderful therapist who both guide me caringly. I thank God for the incredible religious men and women who provided education for my family in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s. They provided great education and many of them worked sacrificially for those in their educational care. Excellent role models. I spent 4 years in boarding school and they were happy days. The brothers sought to give us all opportunities in music, languages, sport, art, science and religious knowledge. These men and women certainly blessed my family in many ways. Sadly, some religioys acted contrary to their sacred vows. Credit where and when it’s due is of absolute importance, not the runaway negative, lying narrative you present. Try TRUTH.

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3.12pm
I’m not defining truth I’m observing the reality – involuntary celibacy and virginity creates and conceals abuse.

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https://www.complicitclergy.com/2021/11/12/archbishop-cordileone-slams-biden-for-supporting-abortion-63-million-babies-have-been-murdered-its-a-bloodbath/

Archbishop Cordileone Slams Biden for Supporting Abortion: “63 Million Babies Have Been Murdered – It’s a Bloodbath”
November 12, 2021 by Peter
“Catholic Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone called out President Joe Biden this week for supporting the abortion “bloodbath” that has destroyed nearly 63 million unborn babies’ lives in the United States.The San Francisco archbishop has been outspoken in his criticism of political leaders like Biden who profess to be Catholic while openly advocating for the killing of unborn babies in abortions.”

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2021/11/10/clergy-abuse-allegations-audit-241814
More than 4,200 allegations of clergy abuse reported, U.S. bishops’ annual audit shows

“More than 4,200 allegations of sexual abuse of minors by Catholic clergy and others were reported during the year ending June 30, 2020, a slight decline from the previous auditing period, according to a report on diocesan and eparchial compliance with the U.S. bishops’ “Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People.”

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He’s an RC bishop, you can’t except him to have any moral sense or behave in a responsible way. Did he claim not to know drink driving is illegal?

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63 million is around the population of France or Italy. Adding that number of bodies to the world would result in further starvation and, yes, DEATH.
But you’re only bothered about ‘babies’ before birth and after that they can die.

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Bishop. Ex priest now Head of mission aka the chaplain of Bons Secours in Dublin being welcomed back like the Prodigal Son in St Patricks College Maynooth to give a guest talk …. Wtf could the value of the mission of the Bons Secours have for students in Maynooth

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They would be the last people you want want speaking to students. Such an insensitive, tin-eared thing to do, bringing in someone from the Tuam Babies order.

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8.23: A very silly comment. These men have expert knowledge re: hospital chaplaincy roles and management skills to share with others. Get over your nonsense.

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@8:55 you’re really on the defensive all week. Any time the Bons Secours chaplains are mentioned.

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9.16: No, you and others have been going on about ex clerics working for the Bon Secours Health Care System. I say, good luck to them. You and others seem offended or jealous..get over it.

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Jealous of a chaplain? Lol! There should be enough local (actual) priests resident in all respective dioceses to go and do their job and visit the sick in hospitals

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While we would all say that it was wrong to bury/dump children in a septic tank, I wonder if we are getting the full facts of what happened in Tuam.

If the nuns buried the children tank or had someone bury them in the tank for them, I and I am sure everyone else hope on the day of judgement they burn in the fire’s of hell.

But if they did not bury them there or had someone bury them on their behalf I hope this comes out sooner rather than later and that all who have judged the nuns in the media and elsewhere issue an immediate apology for their actions.

It is for some reason very hard to find an overhead photograph of the burial ground. It is even harder to find a photo of the area prior to the houses built around the burial ground as we know it now.

I would love to know are the bodies in the tank dumped in it or if they are laid out in a certain way. If they are just dumped in I would love to know is there a possibility that the bodies could be buried out further than where they are now, and moved in, possibly dumped into the tank(s) by machines possibly after they were found in excavation work carried out for the houses built maybe in the late 1950’s/1960’s and 1970’s. The backs of the houses which appear in the photo of the ground would appear to be from this era.

I would love to know when bodies first were buried in the area. I ask this because in many parts of Ireland there would not be need for septic tanks until maybe the 70’s and 80’s as many houses would not have had indoor or even outdoor toilets back much further. I know of people in different parts of Ireland who still had a bucket under the bed to do their business up to this point and if they had to go during the day they often went behind the fence of a field. Maybe as Tuam is a Urban area the nuns may have had indoor toilets and therefore the use of a tank. And even in Urban areas would it not be the case that all the buildings in an area would be plumbed into one central tank run by and maintained by the council.

To me Catherine Corless has since she became known by the media come across as an angry woman, maybe with a lifetime, certainly a long hatred for Nuns and the Catholic Church. Sadly within the media with 20 years, maybe a little longer you will find that there is some with an agenda to bring down Religion. To me it seems that some in the media have bought into what Catherine Corless has to say. They will ask/talk to her about what she wants to say, but I have yet to hear/read about anyone in the media about what could have happened at Tuam as opposed to what did happen according to Catherine Corless.

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Dear “Brother “, your comment seems to portray an effort towards objectivity, but, taken as a whole, seems rather more an attempt at deflection: deflection of blame away from the nuns, RCC, and the state authorities involved.
I have been impressed with Catherine Corless’s sincere efforts to throw light on this shameful period. What you interpret as anger for nuns and church seems to bear resemblance to what Christians refer to as Christ’s justified anger at the temple moneychangers.

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That’s exactly what it is. They always try to smear anyone zealous for human dignity.

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9.05: You are right. Catherine Corless has scripted her own story. Some of it may be true but not all of it is. She has occasionally rowed back a little from her own conclusions. She has said different things over time. I admire her for her concern for any child that was “thrown” into a septic tank but much of her story raises questions about accuracy. She has removed herself from anything and everything Catholic.

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Which comment do you refer to @10:28?
While I’m sometimes amazed at comments vacuously referring to other unspecified comments, I’m not surprised, given the level of intellectual and emotional understanding regularly displayed in comments here. Some of them present as toys of infantile annoyance thrown from babies’ prams.

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Just to say, to the troll(s) trying to trigger people on this blog into a row, it’s all good.
You’re posing as a priest, talking the same stupid shit the church does, and this is a blog about abuse and corruption in the RC church.
You’re just helping that along a bit.

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7.51pm
Blah Blah Blah….
This is how it works someone has an opinion different from yours – this opinion rattles your cage, hits a sore spot, gets under your skin… you diatribe and rant, hopefully you feel better, I go on my merry way happy as a pig in slurry, blah blah blah until your hearts content cuz my opinion has history on its side – clerical celibacy breeds hypocrisy gives birth to clericalism, creates sexual sadists and Tuam baby scandal exposed.

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