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ARCHBISHOP ROCHE SAYS LATIN MASS IS NOT BEING ABOLISHED BUT “REGULATED”

Archbishop Arthur Roche

This week Arthur Roche, on behalf of Francis, has begun reining in the Latin Mass Taliban.

He says that the Latin Mass and its celebrations are to be tightly regulated.

Eventually it will be celebrated rarely and with specific permission each time.

And on the rare occasions it is used it will be restricted to the Latin translation of the Mass of Paul VI.

This move by Francis and Roche is vital because the Latin Mass has become a rallying point for all kinds of crazies and anti Vatican II cranks.

Benedict did great damage by changing the Vatican II missal and importing strange and unpronounceable terms into it.

I sincerely hope Francis and Arthur do away with Benedict’s innovations and let us back to the precepts Benedict rite.

I have never used the Benedict missal.

I am very much a Vatican II man.

Vatican II was a whole council of the church.

While it never formally claimed inflibility, such a Council has always been regarded as a source of sound and binding teaching.

THE TLM PROTAGONISTS

Most of the TLM protagonists are people who want to reject Vatican II for a wide number of reasons.

Many of them are also involved in rejecting the papacy of Francis, who whatever you think of him, was properly elected by all the Cardinals in conclave.

The Mass of Paul VI is the one that is promulgated by the current, validly elected pope.

Why are these so called “Super Catholics” rejecting the teachings and instructions of the current pope?

THE HOMOSEXUAL WING

Thete is a strong homosexual wing among the TLM crowd.

They want to celebrate the TLM by day and be in the gay saunas by night – or in each others beds.

But they are secret homosexuals.

Among the Liberal crowd -people like Richard Purcell, they are blatant about their homosexuality. They flaunt it.

To quote the Scriptures: “They are boasting about things they should be ashamed of”.

THE BASICS

It’s good to keep faith simple.

We don’t need to keep inventing new religious groups like the TLM groups.

If the TLM groups are not willing to accept Vatican II or the duly elected pope, then maybe need to head off and form their own church.

The vast majority of the world’s Catholics accept Vatican II, Francis and the Mass of Paul VI.

They can have their own 21 st century reformation.

143 replies on “ARCHBISHOP ROCHE SAYS LATIN MASS IS NOT BEING ABOLISHED BUT “REGULATED””

Pat, you are very find of the word “taliban”. It is misused by you all the time. You, in another sense could be a “talibaner”, in that you are obstinate and adamant about what you believe in and want. That’s a reasonably good trait, surely, in those who fight their cause? As for Vatican 11, we have yet to fulfil its full vision and be truly renewed in spirit, the Spirit of Jesus. Somehow, many have given up on the challenge of renewal. We’re not clear exactly what we mean.

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11.54
Some here know you are a married, homosexual, poorly-educated ex-priest. Your comments reflect your profile. So exactly to what form of Catholicism are you seeking to return?

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@2:21pm

Well they must be on the GARGLE like you, I’m Neither married or an ex-priest or a homosexual like you. I got my Leaving Cert did you? The form of Catholicism I want to return to is the one I was born in and lived in till the mad mods took over in the early 70’s

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Bela at 6:38 it is never a good sign when you start telling people you’re not a homosexual but you think everyone else is. 🤣

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Oul cockroach can regulate what he likes The Latin Mass will NEVER GO despite what oul Fanny and him say. Pope’s die, The Church go’s on.The Latin Mass is not a new invented group it was the norm until they invented the Novus Ordo. As for the homosexual wing there are more of them in the N.O Brigade including the oratory in Larne who flaunt it. It is good to keep the Faith simple which it was until the mad liberals took over. It’s a bit rich of you who had your own XXth Century reformation. I don’t see any loyalty to Fanny on this blog or indeed to Paul VI who has been accused on here of being homosexual. We are not looking for a XXIth Century reformation but a much needed RETURN to Catholicism.

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@11.54 You can be as rude as you like. Remember it is unworthy of anybody to speak in such terms. Archbishop Roche, soon to be a Cardinal, is a fine man doing a fine job. Your ridicule will not make one ounce of difference to his defence of the liturgy. Think again and lease stop your rudeness.

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@11.54pm
The Latin Mass didn’t start as the norm, initially the Eucharist was celebrated in the vernacular and that is where it should have stayed IMO.
Anyway, I hope your Latin is better than your English, otherwise you are stumped.
I don’t think faith has ever been truly simple. It is as simple or complex as the individual’s intellect will allow. There is a great deal to be said for “Fides quaerens intellectum” or faith seeking understanding; avoiding that challenge/ opportunity is when a hash can be made of it and potentially rendering faith as little more than superstition.
MMM’s comment on those in “mountainous farming communities” and their wisdom nicely demonstrates that our wisdom and understanding, be it of faith or life’s experiences in general, does not necessarily come from academic learning, but is always the fruit of intelligent reflection which is not dependent on privileged scholarship.
Oops, sorry, I went on more than I intended.

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@11.52 My English is excellent. Clearly, your first intention is to deride valuable comment.

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The Extraordinary Rite people, and I do mean mean this perjoratively, profess worship ‘gemitibus inenarribilibus’ (ROM. 8:26), which should be rendered as ‘unspeakable groanings’, which one monastic wag rendered as ‘unpronounceable groanings’. Try pronouncing ‘inenarribilibus’ after a couple of glasses of wine.

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The Irish OP novice master Philip Mulryan has been saying the Latin Mass. It’s doubtful he is competent in the language. What kind of mentoring of seminarians is that?

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5.07
If your solution to what you pereive to be errors in seminary formation is to have people praying in words whose meanings they do not understand, you are not far removed from superstition. Your comment is mischievous and aimed at the destruction of faith.

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You do realise that Arthur was responsible for the 2010 Missal as Chairman of ICEL from 2002 to 2012. So he won’t turn his back on his work.

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1.19 a.m.
Between Pope Benedict’s approbation of the new English translation of the Missal in April 2010 and its publication and inauguration in Advent 2011, more than 10,000 changes were made to the text without consultation with ICEL or with the 11 English-speaking bishops’ conferences.

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6.53
But Bela Lugosi, you struggle with English. For all you know Fr Mulryan could be reading the Kama Sutra in Latin and the first time he’d pause gor a breath, you’d be in with ‘Amen.’

Owl gossip a Lert.
Tooo whit tooo whoooooo.

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Granny Gargle @ 5:24pm
There were errors in seminary formation even in your time, I presume that’s how they got rid of you, apart from everything else about you. I would like that they were educated in the language of The Church and they understood it perfectly, that’s not superstition, that’s they way it always was.

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Now F.D. has the pallium of Tuam
Which has surprised everyone who knew him
And to those who wanted it the most
Whom he beat to the post
He’s now probably saying “screw them”!

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What the feck is wrong with them? Do they want to dress up or wear dresses or play housey?
What a shower of up their own asses!
Just get on with it.
No need to dress up as girls and talk dung with their back to us

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Wonder how all the ‘right on’ ‘hedging their bets’ merchants feel about training to say the Latin Mass.
Liverpool’s McMahon made great play on this and ordained Matthew Jokky/Jollie – Jolly was a TLM merchant- funny that.
Paul Moss in Birmingham was known to enjoy dressing up and wearing all the gear until his ‘friend’ at the VEC moved and shook for him to land a peacock role at the Secretariat of State.
TLM was never subversive it was always diversive and elitist and it’s clerical advocates are always homosexuals and some are child abusers.
It’s the perfect ruse isn’t it – it appears super holy and exacting but behind the mask is all manner of inner conflict and darkness.
TLM is a coda for being part of the clerical gay club.
What will Nursie and Elsie do with their TLM problems- neither of them like conflict and ironically to engratiate themselves to Benedict they shut down the LGBT Mass or claimed like Nursie that setting it up had nothing to do with him!!
Why do they all celebrate TLM with a face like a slapped arse and like they’ve swallowed a wasp?

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You’ve named two priests one who is now at Her Majesty’s pleasure and the other isn’t resident in England please name all of the Diocesan priests who say the Old Mass with « A face like a smacked arse »

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Over the months, I’ve detected that there is a regular animus against Paul Moss, probably someone from Birmingham or the VEC. Why does Moss attract such venom ? I guess he is a bit up his own arse and conceited. I hear he thinks a lot of himself. When he realises that he isn’t going to make it big in Rome, then he might come back. Maybe Nursey will have a sense of humour like Couve, and send him somewhere far removed from the grandeurs of the Vatican halls, as he did with Sharkey when he returned. I don’t remember when he sent him, perhaps someone remembers. Anyhow, it was pretty grim, I believe. Nothing like a council estate to bring one down to earth !

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Bishop Pat I’m not the most intelligent person and I don’t have any qualifications but my local priest boasts about all the different languages he can speak regularly, yet the one he speaks the most is in English but with a nasty, ignorant, arrogant and almighty tone to us parishioners, it puts me off going to mass.

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“Empty vessels make most noise”!
He’s probably so insecure he needs to boast.
Some of the wisest and kindest people I’ve known were older relatives in mountainous farming communities. They had few formal qualifications, but a store of worthwhile wisdom
MMM

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@ 12:15: “?…..Animals lying down…..
Reminds me of overheard discussions of locals in pub during the Troubles. They were debating the hedge hideouts of ‘coptered in SAS troops and working out their locations from reactions of the cattle and sheep. I heard a story of one farmer spreading pig slurry all along the hedge of one of their “secret” locations.

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The best bit in the Bible is where a still small voice told Ignatius Loyola to ensure all the movements and quangoes got on the ark two by two, so that they could go forth and multiply and get in the face of the earth.

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My local priest is exactly how you describe in this blog. He flaunts his gayness instead of hiding it and is outrageously flamboyant Pat, you should see the shoes he wears, and the many different colours he has in them. He colour co-ordinates his outfits as he never wears the uniform, possibly due to shame? One can can only speculate why he refuses to wear the uniform.
Pat if I never wore my uniform to work I would be sent home and disciplined and ultimately dismissed from post.
Is it not compulsory in Catholic clergy to wear uniform? I do notice that majority of clergy do wear uniform and do not promote their gayness.

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Pat, you often tell us you are not homophobic. That you are attacking hypocrisy, not homosexuality. And then you wrote this:
‘Among the Liberal crowd -people like Richard Purcell, they are blatant about their homosexuality. They flaunt it. To quote the Scriptures: “They are boasting about things they should be ashamed of”.’

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You don’t have to go to a sauna to bareback moron. Go to the nearest cruisimg ground. Most married fellas do it.

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So-called Archbishop Roche (where’s his diocese?) looks like he’s another gay. Is it compulsory in the Vatican?

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What makes me laugh, whether they are saying the Tridentine or the Vat 2 Mass in Latin, is that the stupid, camp, fey young things who are celebrating haven’t a clue about the Latin they are mouthing ! They just learn it by rote. Ask them what is the verb, the noun, the adjective, the adverb, the tense, the case, the voice in any sentence and they will not have a clue. It’s just gimmicky play acting which gives them a cover to avoid having to do any real work, and panders to their arrested emotional and psychological states. It’s all about ‘look at me’, fussing about lace and brocade and rubrics. I sometimes go along just to amuse myself watching them on a quiet, wet, Sunday afternoon ! It’s a change from the footie on the telly. And, the congregation of odd misfits that attends is an endless source of strange people watching !

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I think the Almighty, to whom the worship is offered, understands the verb, the noun, the adjective, the adverb, the tense, the case, the voice in any sentence.

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Given the level of formation and education standards in our seminaries, I’m surprised that these guys even know what a verb, noun, adjective, adverb, tense etc. are even in English ! They are not exactly Brains of Ireland / Britain, well not the ones I’ve ever come across. Are there even educational standards that seminarians have to meet before entering the seminary ?

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@9:48am

You’re having a laugh have you seen the misfits attending the Novus Ordo that will realy give you a laugh. Just watching the camp polyester priests making it up as they go along better than watching the footie anyday, you’ll die roarin’ with laughter.🤣🤣🤣

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9.48: I’m sure the congregation you go to see for amusement din”/ even notice your eccentric presence. Your protest us a waste of time. Forget about them. Go to a church that before your faith, prayer and spirituality, that is of course if you adhere to religious faith of any kind. Go to the Synagogue, the Quaker neeting, Jehovah Witness gathering or Church of England. You have plenty of options. But FGS, grow up and stop acting like a queen Bitch.

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10.37: Should read – don’t even notice your eccentric presence – my error but my message is unchanged.

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The gay clergy love to get involved in TLM as it attracts young foppish gay men attired in tweed and brogues. An ideal environment for them to go fishing for illicit encounters.

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10.39 I bet Frs McCamley and Coyle etc, etc, etc had been told that. They only had old ladies at their Masses.

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@ 1:04pnm

Yes that crowd of degenerates were totally into the Novus Ordo no tweeds or brogues their and look what they got up too. Have you forgotten Kildory?

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What happened to Fr Anthony Talbot, Birmingham Archdiocese? He was into all that TLM nonsense; he was very posh.

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My goodness look at the HUGE crowds of enthusiastic young people running away from polyester albs.
Pretty much shows everything that’s wrong with traddyism.

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What happened to Cardinal Ted McCarrick, Washington Archdiocese? He was all into that NOM nonsense; he wasn’t very posh.

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Morning Bishop Pat, I have tested positive for Covid this morning and would like you to say a prayer for me please.

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12 men left Ireland to join TLM communities while 4 men entered maynooth. Thank God the boomer generation ordained in the 60s and 70s is dying off and leaving their seminaries empty (aswell as their churches)

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I looove this total misuse of random numbers to make out the lace queens are in the ascendant.
10:57 I know this is difficult for you but try to think.

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2:32 If you met a left handed person from Dublin would you think everyone in Galway was right handed?
Try to THINK.

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You can believe what you like, it’s pointless arguing with the liberal priests and their possy. The boomer post Vatican II generation has nothing to show for it, empty churches, empty seminary, their spiritual fatherhood wasted and sacrificed to the spirit of the age and popularity. The traditional movement is the fastest growing movement in Ireland.

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Alex, I’m not Catholic or even Christian. I am telling you as a matter of fact that you are claiming things based on evidence which doesn’t support it.
It is you who is believing ridiculous stuff.
Now have a think – why would the two figures you give not support that the trad movement is growing and succeeding in leaps and bounds?

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12.10 – you’ve done about 5 of the comments today. The queeny comments are made by those against it.

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Bishop Pat, thank you for all your ears of service, I’m moving to Wales on Monday but will continue to read your blog.

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10.33am
Darling ducky you clearly like giving instructions with that imperious entitled tone demanding I encroach into my homily preparation by drawing up a ‘face like a slapped arse’ list.
I’m afraid I have neither the time nor the inclination to try and face it TLM is doomed to the dustbin of history and the joyless sanctimonious crowd who celebrated it won’t have to have the smile wiped off their face because they never smile their to busy having faces look like smacked arses.

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@2:01pm

Don’t be ridiculous Daring ducky the Latin Mass is not doomed as you would like. But you lot are, I only attend TLM and I smile all the time thinking about idiots like you at the Novus Ordo wondering what the polyesters have thought up to entertain you morons.

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10.52pm
No animus here ducky darling towards dear Paul Moss – he of like the rolling stone he gathers no Moss – Nursey hasn’t a cruel bone in his cuddly body unless he’s hiding behind his lawyers and insurer then he can be such a bitch made out he was writing to abuse victims when it was his insurers who drafted the letters poor rotund darling just had to fess up to IICSA.
So cruel and mean – no any cruelty or meanness regarding moving clergy is the delicious pleasure of the existing and past VG’s whose sadistic delight in moving clergy around like pawns and placing square pegs in round holes has no limit and is legendary.
They love it most when Fr squeals like a little piggy!!
The knives would be out if Moss returned they’d give him Nechelles or Smallheath just to spite him and bring him back down to earth.

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Well at least the Pope’s edict that a term of service should be limited to seven years will stop the nonsense of priests like Chestle spending their entire priesthood behind a desk.

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@ 6:21pm
Thanks Patsy, you are being a naughty bold boy again.I’m sorry that your famous pastoral gifts don’t extend to those who prefer TLM because you extend them to nearly every other group.

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I have no problem with TLM per se. Its what’s its being used for that bothers me.

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Yes. Source: Bishop Michael Smith, in a letter to Saint Joseph’s Young Priests Society, published in the Society’s Autumn/Winter 2017 edition of “The Sheaf.” The bishop is raising the additional issue of the students from the monastery in the context of thanking the Society for its support of Meath students for the priesthood.

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This is Bishop Smith’s letter in ‘The Sheaf’. Curiously they put on the letters page the letters from bishops that were surely intended as private correspondence – they name individuals getting grants, for example 😂.
Anyway, this is the ✠Smith letter:
24 July 2017
Many thanks for your kind letter detailing thesupport given to students for the Diocese over the
past academic year both in Maynooth and Rome. Needless to say this support is greatly appreciated.
Ihave a student at present in the Beda College inRome but because of his circumstances he is self
financing. He will be joined this autumn by another student who would appreciate support. Does the
Societys support extend to the Beda College?
Could I also raise the issue of students from the monastery at Silverstream, Stamullen which is of
diocesan rite but follows the Benedictine rule. Its priests are incardinated into the Diocese. They nowhave thirteen in the community, three of whom are priests with one studying for the priesthood with the
Dominicans. The majority of the community will not be ordained. The monastery began with two priests
but attracting applicants from all over, including Ireland!
With renewed thanks and appreciation,
Yours sincerely,
✠ Michael Smith

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Every schism that had ever arisen out of the Catholic Church, has been on that rebelled against the magisterium. Vatican II is no different to Lutheranism, or the Church of England. It took out the parts of Catholicism it didn’t like and set itself on a different direction from tradition, in the very same way all others did.
It is only Roman Catholicism in its traditional form that has a direct lineage to Christ himself. You cannot erase tradition, replace it with something synthetic and still claim it to be Catholic. It isn’t, and it never will be.
The truest thing Giovanni Montini ever said was that “Through some crack, the smoke of Satan had entered the Church of God”. He found the crack and turned it into a door.
Our Lady of Fatima pray for us.

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Absolute and utter Sedevacantist nonsense. Pope Francis has made it crystal clear that the Second Vatican General Council of the Church is the Church’s magisterium.

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It wasn’t the Church’s magisterium when Vatican II was conveyed though, was it?

Roncalli took what existed and set about a dire change that would abolish reverence to Christ and instead put the Church’s focus toward gaining traction in the public square. It literally, literally, turned its back to Christ to pray in the direction of the congregation.

It’s the biggest apostasy the church will ever know. The catalyst of the destruction of dogma and perhaps faith itself.

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3.56
If turning one’s back on Christ is achieved by tutning towards the assembly, logically you are claiming Christ is not in the assembly. Heresy. Anathema sis!

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3:56
Before Vatican 2 all popes always celebrated mass in St Peter’s facing the people.
You are repeating one of many fictions of the trad faction.

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Who is going to replace the boomers? For all their talk of mission, witness and evangelisation even their own children don’t go to Mass.

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Utter nonsense. By Rome’s own admission for centuries, the Eastern Orthodox Churches preserve a direct lineage to Christ.

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4.48
What are you talking about? Eastern Orthodoxy? Oriental Orthodoxy? Catholics of an eastern or oriental rite? What are you claiming in Rome was said? Who said it? Vacuous inane comment.

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5:47 If priests facing the congregation are praying to the congregation then you traddies are praying to the priest’s arse.
Your logic.

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Idiot @ 7:49pm

Wrong you cretin they were not celebrating Mass facing the people, they were celebrating Ad Orientem.check your facts. An other fiction from the mad mods.

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The heretics who oppose Catholic doctrine in its purest and natural form and who are against the Traditional Mass need to examine their right to call themselves catholics. The Church is built on a foundation of traditional beliefs and structures. A liberal ideology promotes change for the sake of modernity. This change betrays tradition and is inconsistent with true theological concepts.

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The Arse @ 6:51pm
No you moron were praying to the Tabernacle as it contains The Sacred Host, as is the priest. I’d rather do that than look at some president of the assembly standing at a Cranmer table staring out wondering what net to do to entertain us.

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You are praying TO the tabernacle – an inanimate object?

At Mass we are supposed to be focused on the altar, not the tabernacle.

Where did you do your theology?

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Oh you’re praying to the Tabernacle! During mass?
You are probably the worst instructed Catholic in world history!

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@ 6:55pm

Patsy you’ve upset me, showing your partiality again, you really are a bold boy, I’d really like to boot that moron right up the arse we both know who he is.🤣🤣🤣

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7.31
There were no tabernacles in the girst millennium. What Bela Logosi thinks is tradition is in fact an accretion. (Look it up, Bela).

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Funny that. Roche likes his ambitious young queens. Ballzanela made big inroads there and is well known as clerical ambitious, she’ll want a top job in Rome one day. Has your good work been enough to stop the gay club making this happen +Pat, I don’t know if they even care now

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Alex Balzanella will do well in Rome. He knows how to be gay (https://gloria.tv/post/8waicRNZbnYJ1YiP8WGvT3MF4) he’s the looks, and he knows how to network. All the skills. I doubt if he will be spending much time trudging the streets of London or Watford on the parish. It will be Rome or Westminster Cathedral, or perhaps some little jewel in town.

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Oh yes, a knockout, Italian heritage, knows how to smooth talk a prelate over a Campari. He’ll need to keep his promise of celibacy which must be more challenging when blessed with looks.

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@7:29pm
Patsy I’m beginning to think you don’t like me. I said we are praying to the Tabernacle as it contains The Sacred Host ‘The Real Presence’ not an inanimate object did you not read the comment. Because your comment was uncalled for and NASTY. Where did you do your theology?

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7:50 And what do you imagine is going on on the altar during mass?
You’d go fishing and eat frozen food when you get home.

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7.50
Bela Lugosi is not in any position to critique anyone’s theology. He doesn’t have the necessary skills. All is posts are rehashes of the comments he’s reacting to. His false piousity allows him use vulgar language of the Holy Father while out of ghe other side of his mouth he names Jesus and Mary.
Owl gossip a Lert.

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Oul Gossip Alert @8:31pm
Unlike you I know what is going on at the Altar during Mass it is the renewal of the Sacrifice on Mt. Calvary not what you think The Last Supper. I don’t fish and unlike you I don’t do cheap and nasty Iceland. I eat and cook well,, all you do is ping,

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There seems to be some confusion in the post:
1. Traditionis custodes does not place any restrictions on the celebration of the Mass of Paul VI in Latin (Sacrosanctum Concilium expects at least some of the Mass to continue to be celebrated in Latin) although trying to find a Mass of Paul VI in Latin is harder than finding hen’s teeth (although it is very pleasing aesthetically and it would satisfy most of the instincts that attract traditionalists).
2. Roche’s approach may play into the hands of the SSPX who are outside of the Vatican’s control completely – they are already capitalising on the document.
3. Benedict XVI did not change the “Vatican II missal” all that much, unless the writer presumably means the 2011 translation. Yet the 2011 translation is much nearer to the actual Mass of Paul VI than the 1974 translation (which used “dynamic equivalence” as its standard, which is not even, formally, an approach to translation). The 1974 translation was much more idiomatic, but it was not as “faithful” a translation as 2011.
4. There’s been no widespread rejection of the 2011 translation in England (at least). You do hear, very occasionally, of priests who persist with the older translation (of whom Pat is one) but I would not want to return to the older translation.
I do not pretend to know what the best approach is to take towards the TLM. I think it is right to curb its future growth, but that does, alas, pander to the martyr complex of traditionalists.

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Bravo, Ivor Payne! Finally someone who knows quite a bit.

It is interesting that the new Commonwealth Ordinariate Book provides for the use of other languages with pride of place given to Latin a la Sacrosanctum Concilium.

How amusing that Irish Vat II cultists are so against Latin while British converts are so supportive of the same!

BTW, the Russians put on a lovely Latin service in Bologna which I recently saw on a video. I was pleased to hear the Latin words sung to the Slavonic melodies. A dynamic combination.

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Oul Gossip Alert @8:53pm
Ah! God help her she can’t even spell her own name. As for false piety you’re infamous for it and your even more false sanctimonious claptrap and your fantasy life. It’s all too SAD.

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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/portugals-catholic-bishops-announce-independent-child-sexual-abuse-commission-2021-11-11/
Portugal’s Catholic bishops announce independent child sexual abuse commission
By Catarina Demony and Sergio Goncalves
” LISBON, Nov 11 (Reuters) – Portugal’s Roman Catholic Church said on Thursday it would create an independent commission to investigate historical child sexual abuse allegedly committed by members of the clergy following pressure from prominent congregants to lift a veil of silence around the issue. Portugal’s Bishops’ Conference said in a statement that it decided to create the commission to improve the way cases are handled and to “carry out a study to clarify the history of this serious issue.” The announcement comes after a major report by an independent commission in France…”

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Paul Taylor is a deceitful person. He has remained silent while thieves in Archbishops house have siphoned off money from the common fund and redirected to other purposes at the behest of Dublinl’s worse ever Archbishop. This were America, Paul Taylor world already be in Prison

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7.22: Judith: a very dangerous accusation to make. Validate this with factual information as against hearsay and gossip. Can you do this?

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How many primary schools / secondary schools offer Latin as part of their curriculum? Who would understand a Latin Mass unless they know it? The idea that the young generation of today who embrace modernity and who rarely go to Mass as it is will flock a Latin Mass instead is laughable

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Summer 2022 is the last time Latin will be offered at the Zleaving Cert. Until there’s a second renaissance in a fes hundred years time.
O tempora. O mores.

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In England, it is still possible to study Latin at GCSE and A-level, but the numbers taking the subject are tiny. At Oscott, the instruction in Latin was risible and hardly anything beyond the Ordinary of the Mass was taught (Oscott does, or did have a monthly Novus Ordo Latin Mass on a Thursday morning). The only priest I know capable of understanding liturgical Latin completed his degree, master’s degree and PhD in classics. The Church cannot teach Latin – she does not understand what, in theory, is her own liturgical language.

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9.18 pm
The two Priest/Monks in Clifton Diocese are both fluent at the Latin Mass.

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@8:43pm
Missal’s are printed with Latin text on one side and English on the other. It is quite simple to follow. Unless you’re like the illiterate Oul Gossip aka Jim S. etc. etc., etc.and I’m sure you’ll
remember Patsy we all learned the Dialogue Mass at school with no bother.

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Arthur Roche looks like someone who’s grateful that they got rid of the days of fasting and abstinence and the Eucharistic fast from midnight. He is as bad as Bergoglio, who is now as fat as John XXIII was.

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Pat I think we would all like to thank Bela Lugosi for giving us a good laugh today. Much better than the performance he gave in One Body Too Many.

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9.11 : An amazing Order of Dominican Sisters. They are now in Limerick’s former Franciscan Church. A great order of very learned and well educated women. A class of their own.

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I didn’t know they were in Limerick, that’s amazing. If you look at the Motherhouse tour part of their website you can see that they are blessed with many vocations.

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5:30, if you are genuinely interested (I assume you’re not), read Aidan Nichols’s book “Rome and the Eastern Churches”. I am speaking of both separated Eastern Orthodox and separated Oriental Orthodox. These are true particular churches in succession to the Apostles, though not yet in full communion with the Petrine See of Old Rome. And this is not just a new V2 thing either.

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10.03
“Not yet in communion with ‘the Petrine See of Old Rome’ (sic).”

You don’t know what you are talking about.

The Oriental Orthodox were in full communion with the Roman west until 451 and the Council of Chalcedon.

Ditto with the Eastern Orthodox until 1054 and the mutual anathemas.

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The TLM crowd have taken over a former Presbyterian church, not half a mile away from Noel Treanors mansion and the Latin mass is celebrated every evening g. One attended commented to me “none of us listen to the pope”

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