The Rutherglen Mission is over.
It has been a spectacle. The money spent on resources, literature, media, liturgy and food and drink was mighty.
It has been an embarrassment of the Church. It is the talk of the country but in a bad way. People are laughing and sneering. People have actually attended just to see the 2 Missionaries to see whether they’re real or not. It’s like a Carry on film.
It has been a great time for the wee PP with his two chums from the Norbertines. He’s obsessed with money. Many have seen it for what it is and the priests hate him even more. He is referred to as Fr Moneyoenny.
This week there has been lavish breakfasts, lunches and dinners as well as much alcohol consumed and cigars smoked.
Fr Moneypennys friends have been visiting all week especially Fr Paul Denney.
He’s a fine bit of stuff, very bright, shall we say. and the wee PP just loves being in his company.
Fr Denny likes to dress up for the TLM and was in the Scots College with Deacon Christopher Morris of Oscott.
Also present was Fr Liam OConnor, who likes to dress up for the TLM.
Another connection here to Deacon Christopher is that Fr Liam is the brother of AnthonyO’Conner another former friend of Deacon Christopher.
Another frequent visitor has been the Chef from the neighbouring parish, Fr Ger Byrne. Fr Ger loves to dress up for the TLM.
The food and drink were supplied by Fr Moneypennys favourite local Catholic Funeral Director, Des Maguire, not allowed to attend any of the meals.
Well Pat, I need to finish my homily for tonight’s Vigil Mass, it’s entitled Faith of our Fathers (no women mentioned). By the way Pat most vigil Masses here have on average 50 people at them now though as many a 100in our big parishes. What a mess we’re in over here.
MOTHERWELL
Pat,
I see a comment n the blog re survivors of Oscott
Do you know the story of Deacon Christopher currently studying there for the Diocese of Motherwell?
He was thrown out of The Scots College in Rome – ask Patricia McKeever.
He also troubled other students some of whom have left and others now ordained.
He has had several friendships with priests with The Chancellor of Glasgow, Vocations Director of Motherwell and the Spiritual Director of Oscott who left recently.
Deacon Christopher is petrified your Blog will prevent his ordination.
BISHOP PAT BUCKLEY 
159 replies on “AND NOW OVER TO SCOTLAND…..”
Follow the trail Patrick to Oscott. Investigate!
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I think the best bit of the video is the subtitles changing the name of the church to St Colin Kills. 😟
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The Lavender mafia rules Oscott. He will be ordained.
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I take great exception to that. I am so concerned at preventing the Lavender Menace among my clergy that I have started patrolling the Gay Chinese quarter myself in the evening. I am frankly sick of Chinese food but have heard three confessions and if you want me I’ll be in Bolts.
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Having spoken to Bishop Toal I have to reassure you that there is nothing wrong with Deacon Christopher Morris who is currently doing his Placement in East Kilbride and will return to Oscott to complete his Final year then God willing Christopher will be Ordained to the Priesthood next June.
Rather than attack why not ask contact Bishop Toal direct 01698 841848 or bishoptoal@rcdom.org.uk
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The postal service is saved!
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There is little enthusiasm for his Ordination among the priests of Motherwell Diocese, I know as I’m one of them.
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Well, then, speak up! Tell the bishop!
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I very much doubt that he is a priest of Motherwell or anywhere else.
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Editor,
I already have!
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Oul Gossip Alert @ 11:58am
OMG! Jim S. is at it again contacting Bishops and urging others to do the same, giving out their contact numbers. He is every clerics nightmare God help them.
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Good luck with that, folks. I had extensive email exchanges with Bishop Toal in the matter of the Moral Law Vs Fr Paul Morton – and Fr Paul Morton remains PP of St Bride’s, Cambuslang and, I have no doubt, is still being photographed with his LGBT+ pals at the “Pride” (in our sin) marches The Moral Law having lost the case.
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To address this point in the most vociferous terms: but for Paul Morton, the Catholic Church in Cambuslang and the surrounding areas would be completely and utterly non-existent. No priest can claim (and yet, he himself doesn’t claim) to have done more for their community than he has. He’s a credit to his local people, to the church and to the teachings of Christ.
That isn’t something that can be said of others east or west of the M74.
And, unlike the others, he’d pray for you following your post where others would scold you. Pray for him.
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Of course there’s nothing wrong with Deacon Christopher because the bishop said so. We can all be reassured just as we were reassured after the visitation at MtMellary and we were told all was well with Abbot Purcell.
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That is bulls**t of the highest order. Just speak to any of the seminarians who overlapped with him during his first stint at the Scots College.
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I didn’t realise Bishop Betty Turpin was bezzies with Des, the undertaker: “My company motto is “Giving the best to the end” – when the company was formed, I was given many good wishes from many people, including numerous clergy. A priest of the Catholic church who knew me in a professional capacity as a funeral director telephoned me to wish me every success, and said “I have your company motto, it has to be “Giving the best to the end”, as families give the best to the end for their loved ones and you in return do so in your vocation. The priest was Fr. John Keenan and he went on to become Bishop of Paisley”.
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They are not only bessies but Bishop Keenan is godfather to two of the undertakers kids.
It never ceases to amaze the members of this deanery why Keenan isn’t a bit more discerning about his friendships.
Although Mr Maguire tries to forge friendships with the clergy many can see him far enough.
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I guess the undertaker views his clerical friends as business development opportunities. Clergy must be a good source of referrals for him.
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Makes sense from a business pointvif view. #networking
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The English Norbertines have large corporeal appetites. When they were in Miles Platting in Manchester brother Norbert was the community cook who would deep fry everything. He left suddenly.
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12.29 Norbert the Norbertine. Is that a false handle?
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Back in the USSR. Pravda! KKK! Mums The Word!
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The Norbertine comedy duo are taking the pish. They say they’ve heard hundreds, nay thousands of confessions during the mission week – yet only 80 turn up for the closing mass. I suspect the porkers are telling porkies.
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All the shriven died holy deaths, clutching Miraculous Medals, shortly after their confession.
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6.27pm
It would do you good to get in the confession queue.
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You can see that in the video of the closing mass
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Congratulations you are famous now Christopher. Let’s hope that your holiday exploits don’t come to light. 🙏
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Perhaps we need an Oscott Special Correspondent to give us an insight in to the holiday exploits of young Christopher (well, not so young anymore), as well as the other extra curricular activities undertaken by staff and seminarians, often together. Anybody want to apply, please contact + Pat for more details, remuneration package and entitlements.
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who did he holiday with and where?
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Obsessed with money is an understatement. That guy Mournian (with the constant pug face scowl) leaches cash from the gullible old women in the parish. No wonder he is able to live such a luxurious lifestyle for someone on a Scottish cleric’s stipend. The relationship between him and Denney is just weird. Apparently it was bad when they were both at the Scots College, but since returning to Motherwell it’s become obvious to everyone that something seriously odd is going on.
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The comments re Wee Ben or Fr. BerNARD ,as he now styles himself, and cash are true. However, Denney is more closely linked to another high profile priest, a protege of Betty Turpin. Very close when together on Via Cassia and very close now. Bishop Pat, do your homework.
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Betty Turpin’s protege? You mean Bet Lynch over at Turnbull Hall?
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Fr. Ger Byrne is gorgeous.
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Who is Fr. Ger Byrne? What is he mentioned for?
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Now this is a leading question.
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Oh it won’t take you much digging to find out why Fr Gerard gets a mention 😂
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Poll predicts Irish post-Covid Mass attendance will drop by 12%. These people have absorbed the message from bishops and priests over the past two years that attending Mass is not essential.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10160350273410982&id=125366140981&m_entstream_source=timeline
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8.07
False conclusion. Social gatherings during a pandemic endanger life. Suspending these temporarily to save life is the responsible action to take. It makes your final sentence sound ridiculous.
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8:07, it was NPHET and government who restricted access to Church. Cultural compensation must be paid over?
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In Ulster the Executive did not require churches to close. Amy offered to do so.
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Sensible chap. You aren’t pro life if you expect people to risk death to up the collection.
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2:37,
Exactly! Pro Life Christians are very consistent. Unborn babies must be protected. People from the cradle to the grave must be protected from this modern day plague.
Pax
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The NI Executive’s scientific and medical advice was that it was not necessary to close churches. Amy chose to do so. People aren’t going back. Well done, Amy.
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At least this bunch were entertaining. We had Kieran Brady a few years ago. The zzzz factor
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Kieran is so righteous he comes on his own!
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What about Fr Royston Price and the two Maria’s! Another pompous redemptorist who wears a cross a 12 inch cross, a lace queen with a kink for chasuable.
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All of this stuff is another reminder of the extremely odd and out of touch culture in which most clerics live. There is without doubt something deeply dysfunctional with the clerical culture and lifestyle. We see it popping up again and again. Not just in their own strange behaviours, not least the questionable dressing up nonsense of the Traddies and their faux traditionalist spirituality and morality, but in the circumstances which they inhabit – large houses, heated and lighted by the parish, with cleaner / housekeeper/ cook doing regular hours, in their extravagant eating and drinking especially of alcohol, in the grey economy they inhabit where they are able to dip in to parish / diocesan / charitable monies that they control, in the crushes and favourites they set their eyes on be they seminarians or young men around the parish, in their parallel and secret live in which they switch from Gammarelli to Levi 501s, in their extracurricular activities which involve gay bars and clubs, gay saunas, and al fresco gay cruising in the woods, lay bys, beaches and public toilets, in their regular holidays abroad to the sun and beaches of the Canaries, in their sense of being exceptional and unaccountable and being able to rely on the clerical old boys club for succour and protection……. Have I missed anything ? Have I got it wrong ? I don’t think so !
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I knew a clergyman who became beach evangeliser which was combined with advising a hierarchy some distance away.
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@ 9:09am
Yes you did miss something your whole diatribe was aimed at conservative/traditionalists priests. You forgot to mention that many of your lot, left wing mad mods. live the same lifestyle and worse at the very best I’d say you were very partial.😏
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9.09: Have you missed anything, you ask? One thing – you forgot to say you repeated this several times before. Same old embellished, OTT, crap.
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12:04 & 12:05 – judging by your comments, I guess I have hit a raw nerve in both of you, which tells me something about you both. I can always tell when I hit home and score a direct hit. Bullseye !
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12.34
You should be able to recognise the drivel of Bela Lugosi Dracula at 12.04 snd 13.05 by its faulty orthography and poverty of language.
He is a quasi-sedevacantist who has an aversion to a popular fabric and who can’t engage in debate.
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I think he/she/they has those paras saved in a Word document so that they can be cut and pasted into the comms box every week or so.
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You have got it wrong. Accusing people you disagree with of homosexuality, without evidence, is not just. Seminaries in the past few decades became places presided over by predators with nicknames like kitty who knew ex Mgsr Ledwith would have their back, pun probably not intended. Almost all public priests who cannot stop talking about tolerance for gay people, as though there was nothing else, are very much not traditionalist. A trad priest faces ad orientem, like priests since the first ones said Mass on the tombs of the martyrs in the catacombs, while versus populum is surely more suited to the clerical narcissist.
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The First Mass was around a table ?
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All facing in the one direction, Pat.
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5.29
The first mass was no ad orientem.
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5.54
Where’s your wvidence? Your statement is anachronistic – reading later developments into earlier eras.
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@bishoppat We cannot say that for certain (was it a seder meal?) if party reclined on one or both sides of the table. There are hints and traces either way. Anyhow, barring certain mega basilicas which had an elevated central altar which meant the priest faced a portion of the people (although even that is not clear, perhaps all faced one direction), ad orientem was the custom for over 1800 years. The Mass using Vetus Itala (pre-Vulgate, the Pater Noster is a survival) Bible verses was offered on the tombs of martyrs and this continued. Even the General Instruction on the Roman Missal, a practical result of Sacrosanctum Concilium (albeit without the Latin and chant mentioned so much in SC) presumed the priest facing litugical east for the consecration. GIRM no. 157 talks of the priest turning to the people for Ecce Agnus Dei, like in the old Mass. God bless.
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Those Norbertine chappies could do with losing a stone or two of lard by the looks of things.
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@12:34pm
No raw nerve involved I was just pointing out that you had some nerve with your blind partial very one sided point of view.
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Hey, I could give you a list of priests who fit the description at 09:09. But out of an abundance of generosity, I will refrain. I wouldn’t want to cause a stampede for cover. I think we all know the clergy we are talking about. Just like the OCSOs knew what Purcell was getting up to, so in any religious house or diocese priests know what the other priests are getting up to. I do !
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2.37
Wrong. I’m not Jim S. @ 1.25.
You and he share a barely literate level of writing ability. But you are eorse than he is with your infantile “Patsy, your bold.” What a vacuous and inane knee-jerk reaction when yoy can’t formulate a coherent response.
Most of your comments are rehashes of comments you react to.
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Oul Gossip Alert @ 1:25pm
Ha! Ha! Ha! no doubt you will all have recognized the ramblings of the illiterate Jim S. Mother Teresa, Uriah Heep etc. etc. etc. or whatever name she’s using today. She’s the one who has an aversion to lace probably because her benefit only allows her to get cheap nasty net. She can only debate after she’s contacted yet another Papal Nuncio or some poor prelate for more of the gossip she loves to impart to all and sundry. God help her.
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@ 6:56pm
Well if your not the illiterate Jim S. your worse than him, check your comments and try spellcheck ya moron.
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There aren’t half some scores being settled with this. It shows the bitchy, backstabbing mess the Scots church is in, but not in the way the author intended.
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Would suggest exactly how the poisonous author intended.
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The priests (and a couple of bishops) I’ve admired happen(ed) to be emotionally mature and, whatever their ecclesial tastes, it doesn’t / didn’t obtrude. They seemed to have some sort of balance, each in their very individual way.
Is St Mary’s the new “YMCA”? Are “tailored” robes the new “short shorts”? Perhaps the “rump” of it should be “united” with whoever is being packed off to Twickenham (handy for rugby you know).
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/goodwordnews.com/the-bishop-of-solsona-married-the-erotic-novel-writer-three-months-after-resigning-from-office/amp/
Former traditionalist and conservative bishop Xavier Novell married in a registry office last week.
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@9:58am In fact, Xavier Novell was not and is not a conservative. Neither is/was he a traditionalist. He was a very liberal bishop. I have no idea why you have misrepresented him on this blog. Could there be an attempt to stain his reputation? I wonder and arrive at the answer, ‘Yes’. You are trying to mislead the readers of this blog and besmirch the reputation of a good bishop..
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10.23
So, you believe that labelling someone traditionalist and conservative besmirches their reputation.
The linked article outlines just how conservative he became. As a protegé of Rouco Varela, he could not be anything else.
His photograph in the link speaks volumes. He looks miserable. This turn of events will not end well.
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Patsy you’re a naughty bold boy again!
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11.46
Pathetic comment! Adds nothing to any debate.
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https://twitter.com/irishcathnews/status/1466740181797588993?s=21
Ledwith Farrell
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+Deenihan centre stage again. No doubt they discussed the blog later on!
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Regarding Tom Deenihan’s mitre he needs to learn (a) how to wear it properly and not pushed back on his head (a peculiarly Irish habit); not to wear a white demask/pine cone mitre, which is a privilege only of cardinals in the presence of the pope. Non-cardinal bishops should use plain white mitres on the occasions they are used.
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DLF is looking gaunt and older than his age. Is he unwell?
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2.02
Rubbish about mitres. Your pontificale is not up to date. Have you heard of Traditionis custodes?
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I’d really love to know what Meath did to deserve such a nauseating, venal individual as bishop.
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I doubt very much that you’ve read it, so prove me wrong by citing it.
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Oul Gossip Alert @ 12:17pm
You’ve said that before it was pathetic then as it is no now you add nothing to any debate.
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@3;08pm
Yes we have heard of it, but we are ignoring it
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1.58
Why, did he hit the headlines before?
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And there’s blondie in the pic. Keeping a lower profile these days
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@2.02 I know cardinals are asked to wear the white damask during papal celebrations but outside of that context I didn’t think they were reserved to cardinals. In any event the real faux pas in my opinion is this habit of wearing the pectoral cross over the chasuble. I know a lot of them do it all over Europe and not just in Ireland
but Excellencies, please tidy yourselfs up. 🧐🙏🤣
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Have a look in the Catholic Encyclopedia online entry on mitres.
Have you ever seen a bishop, who is not a cardinal, wearing such a mitre?
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https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10404a.htm
It does say here that they shouldn’t wear it but I have seen it worn. It also talks about precious mitres which Bishops definitely don’t bother with today. These little details although they seem fussy to some are important, they show we care about what we do for God in our public prayer
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The last public Mass by a Norbertine priest in Ireland was celebrated on Sunday, September 25th, 2016. As of that date all public ministry by the Norbertines on the island ceased.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/norbertines-time-in-ireland-caused-unspeakable-damage-1.3040703
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Isn’t Father Simon “Bishop Goldilocks in the oven” Davies a former Norbertine and got his training at Oscott before he was transfered to East Anglia?
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Bishop the whole Mountmelleray saga has been reported on in The Irish Catholic including the two resignations etc so credit where credit is due, the publication did not ignore the matter in fairness
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Can you send me a photograph of the article please.
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+Pat if you Google The Irish Catholic and press News you will get it.
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Yes got it. The IC tells the Cistercian propaganda story. I’ve tole the WHOLE TRUTH.
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2.01: Pat, shocked that you don’t purchase the Irish Catholic. You may disagree with its tone but it is worthwhile to purchase…be broadminded. Please.
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Apologies Bishop Pat, I meant that they had the Cistercian statement on.
And yes, without you and some other people who assisted you nobody would be any the wiser.
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And Dick and Eamon would be in post.
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Dom Richard Purcell has resigned as abbot of the largest Cistercian monastery in the country. Dom Richard, who made history in 2009 by becoming the country’s youngest abbot at just 33, has led Mount Melleray since moving from Roscrea in 2017. However, he tendered his resignation last week.
https://www.irishcatholic.com/big-changes-for-cistercians-as-abbot-of-melleray-resigns/
Largest monastery in the world? Seriously?
Over here in England other youngest abbots have been Mark Hargreaves and Cuthbert Brogan.
Just saying.
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3:27,
“the largest Cistercian monastery in the country” not the “Largest monastery in the world”!
Not much of an article at all. Just a few basic well known facts and quotations of the Cistercians statement.
The newspaper claims to provide a lively mix of news, analysis and informed commentary about the Church and social issues as they affect Ireland and the wider-world!
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@11:23 am One of the great virtues of this blog is that it teaches us to listen carefully to the voices of insiders. If + Pat has taught us one thing it is that the voice of the official Church and its instruments of propaganda, including the press, should be understood with of deep scepticism. You have obviously absorbed fully and without question the misleading tale of a very right of centre Spanish news outlet. The consequence is that your comment is redundant – of no importance. This insider, your correspondent, (nothing like as canny as +Pat, however) speaks to the truth of the former bishop’s theological stance.
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Since it’s not the first time someone has mentioned my unworthy self in relation to Christopher Morris and the Scots College in Rome, allow me to be clear. It’s true, I had a telephone conversation with said Morris after having contacted the college in writing regarding his, how can I put it, cheerful lifestyle.
As some of you may know, our practice has always been to try to avoid having to expose scandals, so we firstly ask the subject of our reports if they are in repentant mood, so to speak, and if so, that is, if we can be certain that this behaviour (whatever it is) will stop (or has stopped) then, of course, we won’t publish. Some have called it blackmail but, whatever, it works a treat.
That’s why Chris Morris’s name was never published in Catholic Truth. I was later gutted and wounded and beyond consoling, to discover that – it would appear – I have been duped. What is a gal to do? By the time I realised that I’d been duped, he was already studying (I use the term loosely) for the priesthood elsewhere. Rome’s gain was Birmingham’s loss, in a manner of speaking…
So, folks, that’s it. Our work is done. Morris knows he’s flouting God’s law, having had the benefit of a conversation with me and with moi, the seminary powers-that-be know that he’s flouting God’s law and defying the clear Vatican instruction on the matter of who may be admitted to seminaries, the cheerful brigade being encouraged to join the Legion of Mary instead) and the Bishop of Motherwell knows that he’s flouting God’s law. He’ll probably appoint him to St Bride’s, Cambuslang and Catholic Truth can organise another public rosary. It’s all coming together nicely…
You have to laugh… don’t you?
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Well done on your efforts Patricia. I wish you were at least the Vical General of Motherwell.
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How you can associate yourself with that hag is beyond me, Bp Pat.
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So do I !
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Replying to Anonymous (who else!) name-calling my saintly self on 12/03/2021 at 3:02 pm..
Hi there, Sugar Plum…
I checked the dictionary and the first definition of “hag” is “a witch”.
So, let me explain that I disposed of my broomstick some years ago, when I bought the latest version of the cheapest car on the market. Just to be clear, then, the epithet you chose for me is factually inaccurate. I’m with Charles Dickens on this: “Facts, facts, facts, give these boys … facts.” That’s first. Actually, Dickens had his character say “boys and girls” but, I doubt if we have any [real] girls here. No offence intended but I’d be honoured if offence is taken. You have to laugh.
The second definition is “old woman” but I doubt you can mean that as a derogatory term, since your own mother is either an old woman or (hopefully) is going to be an old woman one day.
Listen, I know I’m pushing [inaudible] but I’ll only start to worry if I get to be like the woman, a friend of a friend, you might say, in the following story. You’d be wrong (I don’t have any friends) but you still might say it…
Three friends were having afternoon tea in a café. This was before viruses knew if you were in a café or a bus or just sitting at home, so the ladies had no idea they were in mortal danger being out and about. Oh, for the old days… Anyway, the first old lady says, “You know, I’m really starting to lose my memory these days. The other day I went into the kitchen and forgot why I went.”
The second old lady shakes her head, “That’s nothing. The other day I went down the stairs and stopped halfway because I didn’t know why I was going down.”
The third lady says nothing and keeps playing, and the other two look at her expectantly. She looks at them both, “What? Don’t look at me, my memory is as solid as this table.” She then knocks on the table, looks at the door and says, “Hello? Who’s there?!”
Hilarious.
When I get to that stage, Anonymouse, I’ll start to worry. Until then.. now… where did I put that broomstick…
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Being gay is more or less part of the admissions criteria for seminaries such as Maynooth and Oscott so it is unrealistic to expect the bishops to do anything about it. They and the seminary gatekeepers are also mainly of the antique disposition so removing gay seminarians is as impossible as disarming Americans. It’s far too late for all that. It’s like male nursing or musical theatre – both are gay professions and it’s par for the course. We might as well just be honest and open about it and either enforce the no gays in seminary rule or abolish the rule.
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3:02
I do not thinks its nice to call a woman a “hag”.
We can completely disagree with her and speak of her with respect
I do not hold all her views.
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This is my reply to bishoppat posted in my defence (somewhat) on 12/3/2021 at 3.42pm..
Pat writes… “We can completely disagree with her and speak of her with respect.”
I say the very same thing about thee and thou bishoppat, when people ask me what the devil I’m doing blogging here and keeping in touch with your good self. I reply that I’m pinning my hopes on your deeply contrite return to the Faith of our Fathers, praying for the intentions of our Holy Father Pope Pius XIII, and then I can be installed as your Vicaress General in the Diocese of Lat(in) & Let Live…
Ouch – that’s corny but I’m chasing time!
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Homosexuals as priests like “alcoholics in a brewery”!https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p015vf9b
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It seems nothing has changed at Oscott with this new rector. Pat there seems so much more about Oscott that needs to come to light.
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Casual sex leaves people with thin and fractured souls.
You see it in their eyes.
Each time you become “one flesh” with someone and pull away, a piece of your soul breaks off and stays behind.
This is why marriage is so important.
This is why divorce is so devastating.
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About duplicity and thinking about the comment below about enforcing the no gays rule, it would be incredibly difficult to police.
You can ask and people can deny.
We already have seminarians who are happy to ignore the rules about who should be admitted to seminary and presumably would definitely lie if attempts were made to police the rules.
The problem to my mind, the real problem, is that seminarians and formators are already duplicitous enough to ignore the rules.
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So, I would think that + Longley / Nursey will be taking a good long hard look at Oscott after the plethora of revelations, expose (acute accent missing, sorry), and insinuations concerning the goings on there. Morris, and his allegedly colourful (aka gay) lifestyle, is not alone amongst both staff and seminarians at Oscott. Surely, + Nursey, who has a penchant for avoiding difficult and confrontational issues and for seeming a bit dim about stuff that can be somewhat distasteful, will take some notice and have a good nose around. He will probably say that he already has and decided that all is well and fine, but really he’s looking through his own rose tinted spectacles and his own generous naivety. Nice man, but sometimes doesn’t see what is under his nose. Now, I have no problem with a priesthood which celebrates its gay members, but a priesthood with actively gay members behaving in contravention of what the Church requires of them, and they publicly promise, is not acceptable. Because, it’s an hypocrisy, and that is corrosive of everything else. So, + Longley and others – please, either sort it out robustly and stick to what the Church is demanding publicly for its ordained clergy, or start arguing for a change in the Church’s attitude to sexual diversity, and for the inclusion of gay – and active – clergy in your ranks. That would be honest. Then we could have a bit of respect for you, and that would lead to trust. An essential commodity that is gravely lacking in the Church at present.
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Very powerful at 6:17 – exactly the problem.
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The NCW are the new Parakeets.
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Yes, we need honesty and not the usual Catholic nudge-nudge, wink-wink that goes on.
Of course this doesn’t just apply to brazenly ordaining gay men. Other Catholic spinning includes saying condoms and the pill are bad, but thermometers and charts in NFP or OK (even though the intent and outcome desired are the same).
Similarly with marriage annulments, the number of which has exploded after the council, especially in some countries. You will note that the happily married never think about annulments. It is only when couples are warring that it suddenly appears on the horizon. Let’s just be honest and call it divorce.
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Pat can you also shed light on if true the Bishop of Motherwell has accepted the rampant Macnamara from Paisley. Has Betty Turpin wiped his hands of him?
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@2:55 pm I can tell you that Bishop Joe Toal does not put up with any nonsense. Motherwell is very different from Paisley.
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Sure, thing… That’s why we’re still awaiting the long promised thorough investigation into Father Despard’s claims of homosexually active clergy in the diocese. Yip. You don’t mess around with Bishop Toal, not if you know what is good for you – as long as your name is not “Despard”. Gimme a break!
They may have different tartans, Motherwell and Paisley, but (if they do!) that’s about the extent of any difference. Trust me on this, although I’m no expert on tartans… I will say, I like the red Stewart best.
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I believe that Father Despard was telling g the truth and suffered a great I justice.
I’m not saying that Father Despard has a Teddy bear personality 😀
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The generalisation about professions and orientation are facile and archaic.
Many male nurses are straight: many female police officers are straight: very few seminarians are straight but how can anybody be sure of anyone’s sexual orientation?
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I met a straight male hairdresser once – he lives in Portadown – and there’s a straight male florist in Newtownards, apparently.
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I met a straight Passionist once. He lives in Crossgar but is moving back to the Graan.
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3:29 You will find the clerical commenters here are very content with their fantasy world of stereotypes and innuendo from the 1950s. But then a gay man joining an organization which is avowedly anti gay but full of gay men isn’t exactly going to be mature, integrated or have much connection to reality. In fact they often address people here as ‘your type’ which is psychologically fascinating in itself.
There are also commenters, who may also be priests, who express clearly homophobic ideas – the disadvantage of Pat’s comment policy is it allows that sort to comment. 😆💅
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Now, now, 7.23pm, that’s a bit too em, harsh.
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All things Scottish-Who’s the Scottish lady leading the Synod stuff in Dublin? Saw her zooming recently at a bore fest….
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It sure wasn’t me! Although, they could have asked…
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Editor, sadly you would be deplatformed, as the illiberal liberal students do in universities. Unless you say “let’s just be like the Anglicans” they don’t want to know.
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One thing Chris can be assured of at ordination time is a new set of vestments from the undertaker.
I have heard it said he has a habit ( no pun intended) of presenting these outfits to ingratiate himself with the newly ordained.
Wiser heads who have tried courting ( no pun intended) priests in the past will know that they will have their snouts in the trough and suck up ( once again no pun intended) everything that comes their way free.
Then once the shit hits the fan and the supplier of hospitality has the whiff of scandal they, the priests, will drop the benefactor like a hot potato rather than be tarnished by that scandal.
Perhaps the undertaker and other Scottish business people should take note.
Can I be bold enough why the funeral man wasn’t allowed to stay for dinner?
Just askin.
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4.52: What petty matters you worry about!! Bizarre. A sign that you have nothing worthwhile to do and if a cleric, deep shame in you.
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5:59 You haven’t heard many priests talking among themselves, have you?
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Does anyone know where the NBSCCCI review into Brendan Smyth can be found online please? I think I must be doing something wrong, I can’t find it anywhere.
Many thanks.
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Is it here:
https://www.safeguarding.ie/news/253-overview-report-on-the-publication-of-the-final-four-review-reports
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This (https://www.safeguarding.ie/images/Pdfs/Congregations/Norbertines.pdf) on the Nobertines generally would be a start. Thanks to him, the Nobertines skipped Ireland as an order, although individual priests might work here. Searching on their site yields no results. Presumably you have to connect remotely to their database, having been so authorised, or something archaic. Basically Google and other search engines will probably yield it – I have not managed to yet. It was delayed for a time over Northern issues. Bishop Accountability has a lot of content including material from his victims (https://www.bishop-accountability.org/assign/Smyth_Photographs.htm) but that’s not official. The head of the Nobertines ignored official correspondence on Brendan Smyth. Wicked stuff.
The usual.
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Thank you both very much – I think that’s what I was looking for. The article about Norbertines linked above said there was a report about Smyth but also said it mentioned abuse by four Norbertines so it must be the one you both linked.
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Bloody hell it’s terrible. Selection of awfulness:
‘The Norbertines in Co. Cavan are within the Diocese of Kilmore, and the reviewers asked
whether they were guided by the diocesan child safeguarding policy and procedures. The
Prior informed the reviewers that the relationship between the Order and the diocese is
not good and that the Norbertines are excluded from diocesan training. There is no
evidence that they are signed up to diocesan policies.
In the absence of a current up to date Child Safeguarding Policy and Procedures, which is
understood by the members of the Order, it is not possible for the Norbertines to meet
any of the criteria that are based on having such a written document in place.’
Since they couldn’t manage to get together a policy even after Brendan Smyth and relations with the diocese were so bad that they were excluded from training, you really wonder what the point of this order was at all.
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It suggests they didn’t give a damn (a pun sort of intended). The table after the piece you quote shows how an adoption of Safeguarding rules in 2010 was followed by next to nothing. It isn’t clear whether it was recklessness and incompetence, or evil, or a mixture, but it suggests it was an improvement that this Order essentially vanished from Ireland with the closure of Kilnacrott, and their shoddy archives are apparently in Belgium now. They have a great heritage, even their own Mass Rite, but that crew were a menace to children. If a org has a ‘if I ignore the problem, it’ll go away’ (plus the sex offender shuffle of sending a bad priest far away) policy, it doesn’t matter if most of its priests were good or adequate. Honestly, if they didn’t close up, they could reasonably have been deported. Horrible stuff.
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They had to cover the monster Smyth’s grave in concrete to keep the animal down. They should have cremated him and flushed him down the loo.
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Whatever about thousands of confessions, well done on having a parish mission. Two young priests. Their style might not suit +Pat – but his may not suit them either. We need the variety of styles to reach out to the many.
Well done for being out there on mission.
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7.31: I agree. Well done to the Norbertines for providing a Parish Mission. At least the parish who organised the mission were offering opportunities to parishioners. We can be certain that many people benefited spiritually from the mission. How sad that anything organised by the CATHOLIC CHURCH is ridiculed by Buckley and his legion of nasty cynics!! Perhaps he might consider going on a spiritual mission for 40 days to a desert in the hope of rediscovering GOD – THE GOD OF JESUS…
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The “parish mission” in question was an excuse for a long clerical party me thinks.
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@ 8.11……….. why do you think that?
I get the impression that the ‘party’ might amount to no more than a glass of sherry and a slice of fruit cake while exchanging pleasantries.
I would a young priest attempt a parish mission and have a glass of sherry than a young priest covertly sleeping around, snorting coke or whacking off in the car at the beach. Let us keep some perspective. Why not encourage these young men who are ultimately doing what so many others are afraid of.
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Maynooth has appointed a Director of Property. He’s gone there from Nama, which readers may recall was the Irish state body set up to sell off all the Celtic Tiger assets owned by the bad banks when the crash happened a few years ago.
He’s been brought in to “secure the future of the national seminary and the [yet to be established] Centre for Ongoing Formation”.
In other words, he’ll sell off St Patrick’s College, hopefully for a better price than Dermo got for Clonliffe, and move the handful of sems into a small new building on the campus whose ownership will pass to Maynooth University.
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@8:11pm
Patsy that was naughty and very bold, now just wait for you know who to come on giving out to me again.😏😏😏
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10.17
Arrested psychosexual development in evidence. Words like bold and naughty would suggest a fixation somewhere between 8 and 9 years of age.
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That suggests Maynooth Pontifical will see its fine building go for a song to a pal of a pal.
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Christopher Morris must be pleased that so little of the discussion today has been about him.
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Agree – have gone rather off topic! Christopher wont be the only one (as above or in the “daisy chain”) who are relieved. But as Bishop Pat + has shown with Purcell and Mellary – its all just a matter of time …..
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Nice photo of Mr Maguire. Is he available?
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It would be best to scrutinise the Oscott formation staff to see where the problem lies. Note I said ‘formation staff’ and not priests that assist there. One of them is openly homosexual, incredibly intelligent. Still, as the Italians would say, he is ‘Furbo.’ Before entering the seminary, he lived with his boyfriend and then continued to be a sexually active seminarian. He visited gay saunas and had numerous sexual encounters. He was a close friend of a priest recently convicted of looking at indecent images of children. He was sexually active with men after ordination. He knows who he is, and his colleagues understand what he is. He conned his seminary rector by being open about his sexuality but not his promiscuous lifestyle and was ordained. He even claimed he was receiving anonymous homosexual hate mail to gain the naive rector’s sympathy. I suspect he wrote the letters himself! Things will never improve whilst he is forming future priests. Morris will enjoy a smooth transition to the priesthood and may count on this staff member’s vote.
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Interesting at 9.15 pm – so which one?
Rev. Michael Dolman – Rector,
STB (Leuven)
Rev. Paul Keane – Vice Rector & Formation Tutor,
MA (Cantab), STL (Gregorianum, Rome) – Dogmatic Theology
Rev. Gerardo Fabrizio – Pastoral Studies Director & Formation Tutor,
STB., JCL., Dip. Iuris. (Gregorianum, Rome) – Canon Law
Rev. Van Nguyen – Formation Tutor,
BA, STB, STL (Gregorianum, Rome) – Patristics
Rev. James Preston – Spiritual Director,
BA (Hons), CertEd – Introduction to Spirituality & Lectio Divina
Rev. Andrew Robinson – Liturgy Coordinator & Formation Tutor,
ARCO, MA, STB, SSL (Biblicum, Rome) – New Testament, Homiletics
V. Rev. Canon John Udris – Spiritual Director,
STL (Angelicum, Rome) – Christian Spirituality, Homiletics
Rev. Biju Chittuparamban Varghese SDV – Formation Tutor,
STB, MSc, MS (cons.), MA
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If there were photos of them we could tell just by looking.
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See how Christians love each other. May Allah reign in Europe. Allahu Akbar.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07fw19t
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I just listened it can’t be Fr Paul Keene as he said he was going out with a girl at Uni in Cambridge.
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Completely delusional
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The fish rots from the head. The Scottish hierarchy are largely dross, as are the clergy.
Leo Cushley: Prince bishop who doesn’t know the smell of his sheep. Vatican placeman.
Stephen Robson: One of O’Brien’s inner circle. Enough said.
Hugh Gilbert: Anonymous.
John Keenan: Superficial. King of the gimmick and photo opportunity.
Joseph Toal: Determined to finish the work of his predecessor and run a once-proud diocese into the ground. Working with a largely homosexual clergy.
Brian McGee: Where did he come from?
William Nolan: Quietly effective. The only real hope in a hopeless hierarchy.
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