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POPE FRANCIS THANKS GAY “NEW WAYS MINISTRY” IN TWO LETTERS.


The Vatican in 1999 barred Sr. Jeannine Gramick and Fr. Robert Nugent from ministry involving homosexual people. The two had been involved in gay ministry in the United States for more than 30 years.


In two letters to New Ways Ministry this year, Pope Francis commended the organization for its outreach to the LGBTQ community and referred to one of its co-founders, Loretto Sr. Jeannine Gramick, as “a valiant woman” who had suffered much for her ministry.

Written in Spanish on official Vatican stationary, Francis’ letters mention that the pope is aware that New Ways Ministry’s “history has not been an easy one,” but that loving one’s neighbour is still the second commandment, tied “necessarily” to the first commandment to love God.

“Thank you for your neighborly work,” Francis wrote in a June 17 letter addressed to Francis DeBernardo, executive director of New Ways Ministry, which is based in Mount. Rainier, Maryland.

“Despite what some church leaders might say or think of us, it appears that Pope Francis is happy that we’re reaching out and helping to bring LGBTQ people into the church, and helping those who are here to stay,” DeBernardo told NCR.

DeBernardo said he decided to publicly disclose the correspondence between New Ways Ministry and the pope in response to the Vatican’s General Secretariat for the Synod of Bishops removing a New Ways Ministry webinar video from a resources website for the 2021-2023 synod on synodality.

Reports in conservative Catholic media outlets indicated that the secretariat removed the video on Dec. 7 after learning that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops had censured New Ways Ministry in 2010 for its support of civil marriage for same-sex couples. A spokesman for the secretariat has not returned requests for comment from NCR.

“We weren’t planning on making the correspondence public,” DeBernardo said, “but given this situation, it’s important for people to know. We do believe [Francis] wants LGBTQ people speaking, and we think it’d be helpful for him and helpful for his message and his invitation of inclusion, that people know that he has been corresponding with us.”

Tweet from Jesuit Fr. James Martin
A day later, however, the video had been removed. Martin, who has more than 303,000 Twitter followers and often enrages Catholics on the right for his ministry to the LGBTQ community, said the removal of the video raises questions of how LGBTQ Catholic voices will be heard at the synod.

Fr James Martin

PAT SAYS

Francis has a different aproach to the LGBT issue that most other members of the RCC hierarchy.

And sometimes Francis’ approach can be contradictory.

There is the “we should not judge” Francis and there is the Francis who says that gay men are unsuitable to priesthood.

Although it is perfectly consistent to promote pastoral care and non judgementalism to the LGBT community and also to say gay men are not suitable for priesthood.

But the the RCC does JUDGE LGBT people and regards them as “disordered” and their sexual actions as sinful.

I don’t think that Francis would go as far as offering such couples either a marriage or a blessing.

Personally, I am happy to both MARRY and BLESS such couples – and have been doing so for 35 years.

Do I think a same sex marriage can be a SACRAMENT?

I do.

A sacrament is an outward sign of an inner spiritual reality.

If the love of a same sex couple is of a certain quality, then surely it can be as much a sign of Christ’s love for his “bride” the church as an opposite sex couple’s love?

True love and God’s love is not just about genitalia?

I’m glad Francis has honoured Sister Jeannine Gramick and Father Robert Nugent.

They were good people, who did especially good work who suffered at the hands of the Vatican and the American bishops.

The RCC has a special skill for torturing good and loving people.

And in doing that they do the work of Satan.

CARDINAL BURKE VISITS DOM KIRBY AT SILVERSTREAM MONASTERY.

127 replies on “POPE FRANCIS THANKS GAY “NEW WAYS MINISTRY” IN TWO LETTERS.”

The suitability of gay men for priesthood is a matter of how someone understands themselves, that can develop over time. However, the fact that there are priests who are gay is a fact no one, not even Francis can deny.

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It’s not about a priests sexuality which deems him fit for the job, it is his vow of celibacy. To say a gay man is not a particular fit for any job based on sexuality is the epitome of homophobia.

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Whilst I agree to a degree, Pope Francis is stereotyping homosexual men. The majority are involved in outrageous sexual behaviour and have a higher than average sex drive and therefore would be seen as more difficult for them to be a responsible priest.

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9:54 Just wait till you find out they’re busy having this outrageous sex with ‘straight’ men who want to hide it from their wives.

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It’s bizarre and decadent that gay men have numerous apps and sites whole sole purpose is to facilitate random meetings for anonymous sex with strangers.

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“The two had been involved in gay ministry … for more than 30 years.”
Oh, I hadn’t realised they had been on the staff at Oscott.
Jokes aside, they are very brave and deserve the credit for their work in bringing about better understanding and acceptance around gay people and their rightful place in the Church.
You see, this is where Francis let’s himself down. He reaches out like this, but then messes up, big time, in other areas. Especially the handling of clerical abuse issues.

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I don’t have a private life because I’m a priest and understand my duty to the faithful.

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I commend Pope Francis, he is contradictory but he is still trying to find his own balance of how to include the LGBTQ community, he is damned whatever direction he takes.

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There used to be a time when being a good Roman Catholic was measured by loyalty to the pope.

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1.09, that was just a cloak. Once Montini or Bertone were senior they ensured popes were loyal to them.

People only joined body theology and armadas because it was a fashion, not for loyalty, except loyalty to fashion.

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@12:53
Bella, maybe life is a little more complex, more grey, more complicitated, than life in bunker Bellarmine?

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God means too little to too little people you mean. Sex is great, but it means too much to too many people. Obsessed

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Complex @ 3:01p

Life might be complex,grey and complicated for you, not for me. You need to get out of that bunker more often. It’s complicated not ‘complicitated’ try spellcheck.

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Aha ha, I said more complex, more grey, more complimacated! Ha ha
Come out of bunker Bellarmine, Bella.

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Burke – That must be the good cardinal in ‘civvies’. It’s a lot more sedate than what we usually see him in. 😂

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So I suppose this makes Gramick’s support for Paul Shanley alright? I mean Francis supported McCarrick, and Danneels, and de Kesel, but it is all forgiven right?

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9.05
Confused thinking there. Unfortunately some gay people have abused children. By virtue of numerical superiority, straight people have abused many more. Does that lead you to condem heterosexual relationships?

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I condemn Gramick for supporting Shanley after he was exposed as an abuser. She defended him in the NationalCatholicReporter. She defended the indefensible.

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Pat, I absolutely LOVE the picture of Cardinal Burke visiting Silverstream Priory. It eloquently demonstrates the perversity of Silverstream Priory, and all the negative accretions that have been fetishised by people who love the TLM. I am all for tradition but I have a strong dislike of traditionalists and their narrow-minded understanding of the liturgy. Silverstream Priory gives the TLM a very bad name in Ireland, so the sooner it is suppressed the better. I absolutely love this picture! I am going to save it and send it to lots of people.

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12.14
A puerile comment from a usual source. Such language used by an adult to another adult is an indication of arrested psychosexual development.

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Oul Gossip Aelrt @ 9:22am

Well Nettie we are not surprised at your reaction it probably reminded you of yourself going out with the rest of the DROSS. By the way the LMS will never be suppressed no matter what all you lefty drag queens want. NEVER,NEVER,NEVER!

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Oul Gossip Alert @ 2:13pm

Netty there is no one more puerile than yourself, there is no such development which as usual your spelt incorrectly, Patsy and I don’t agree on much, but one thing he and I share is a sense of humour which you are devoid of.

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Bela Lugosi at 4:39
Where is the misspel at 2.13?

Owl gossip a Lert:

To-whit, to-whoo, a merry note,
while greasy Joan doth keel the pot.

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Oul Gossip Alert @ 5:58pm

Netty you’re sounding hysterical again! time to see the doctor I’m concerned for your mental health. To-whit, to-whoo is that one of the four languages you said you spoke. Patsy asked you if one of them was Gibberish, it certainly sounds like it. But then again you’re always gibbering anyway.

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6.31
Gibberish?
It’s actually a quote from Shakespeare’s “Love’s Labour’s Lost” Act V, Scene 2.
No one would expect you to know anything about that.

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“Do I think a same sex marriage can be a SACRAMENT? I do.”
I disagree but I can agree to disagree.
I’ve said before and I say it again, there is a Natural Reproductive Order. The LGBT community by and large are born from the Natural Reproductive Order.
Our Christian community and the LGBT community can live in unity in respect of the Natural Reproductive Order and in respect of the LGBT community.
I agree with the German approach of the blessings of love. Love is wonderful and the love between two people fully committed to each other is beautiful.
Is the bishop who gave the wayward abbot an abbatial blessing open to giving committed LGBT couples a blessing of love? Surely it is the consistent thing to do?!
Pax.

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Natural reproductive order?
In seminary in the mid 1970s I was taught: “How to baptise a monster in the womb”.
They were referring to baptising a very ill fetus who might be born dead – in order to get it into heaven.

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“Natural reproductive order?”
Male and female coming together is the Natural Reproductive Order. The love of the LGBT community must also be respected. People can lose sight of living in unity.
“How to baptise a monster in the womb”.
🙈 Disgusting language by those who thought it.
Unborn babies following a miscarriage have gone to the next life. Parents of such babies have a strong sense of it. The Little Spirits Garden in Canada is a landscaped garden dedicated to the memory of children lost during pregnancy. It is a wonderful idea in respect of the unborn and to bring some peace to those who have suffered a tragic loss.

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On Seamusviii’s logic we wouldn’t allow marriage to those past child-bearing or women who sadly have had to have hysterectomies.

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12:38,
You comment with fairness but I disagree with you. The people you write of still come together in the spirit of the Natural Reproductive Order. Sadly those people have a cross to bear.

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1:09,
I would not want to be one of their crosses, be that the LGBT community or the people that 12:38 wrote about.
I respect the LGBT community and I have sympathy for the people that 12:38 wrote about.
Pax.

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1.09
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Pat, challenging as ever.
Pat, your natural instinct is to lift the crosses from others and to bear them yourself.

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We have a gay priest in our parish and nobody thinks twice about it, should we hear that he is actively sexually practicing we would have issue with it just like we would should he be a heterosexual priest.

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I was sexually active, but not on a huge scale as a clergy man and never felt remorse or guilt about it. I felt more pity for the vow of chastity that has to take place.

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I’ve never known a Catholic priest to refer to himself as a “clergyman” and the Catholic laity don’t use it either when referring to priests. Therefore, I declare you a fake.

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Of course diocesan priests do not take a “vow” of chastity; they make a promise. Another red flag for the supposed “Ex-Priest”.

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I am an alcoholic and I have struggled for years with trying to be celibate but also my own sexuality, I never truly accepted who/what I am and it has taken a massive toll on my physical health over the years.

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An uncompelling emotional or aesthetic orientation isn’t much of a “thing” in itself. The RCC doesn’t teach about healthful boundaries (exchange zones like membranes). If one considers importuning women, boys, younger colleagues, trainees, etc, one’s intrusion is wrong and one’s unwillingness to de-obsess and when applicable stop being lustful is wrong, before we get to misuse of power (a child doesn’t need to be guilty to be blackmailed). This is the same issue for secular agnostics and always has been. The RCC bought into the darkly twisted mania of Wilhelm Reich, itself intrusive, as overreaction after the Hellfire Club and Fagin-style prostitution. I’ve no idea how well the NWM deal with these things. Intrusiveness – lustfulness – misuse of power – don’t go near any of those.

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Fr Nugent died in 2014. Perhaps Pope Francis could consider his cause for beatification? Evil old queen Pope Betty persecuted him.

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I have no doubt, New Ways Ministry’s “history has not been an easy one,” but that
loving one’s neighbour is still the second commandment, tied “necessarily” to the
first commandment to love God. Will Episcopal leaders, including all those in the
clerical fraternity, please keep the second commandment in mind when dealing
with victims/survivors of abuse. After all, God has no favourites. (Romans 2:11).

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@4:14 that other bishops and Cardinals, now mainly retired or dead, ignored the cries of victims or helped predators (Grammick) is a very weak defence. Two wrongs don’t make a right +Pat.

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6:37 ” Other bishops and Cardinals mainly retired or dead, ignored the cries of victims or helped predators ” Oh, I could name one or two bishops very much alive, active and kicking who ignored the cries of victims.

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Everyone is on the sexuality scale and nobody stays at one level all the time but fluctuates over time. A priest from the early 90s would be regularly rumoured to be in bed with someone’s wife as equally as someone’s husband, think the man was just happy to get a bit every now and again.

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https://bishop-accountability.org/assign/Shanley-Paul-Richard.htm
As others have noted, Sr. Jeannine Gramick supported Shanley, a prodigious abuser of young boys and men. It was helpful for Shanley that Cardinal Cushing make his ministry to street children and youths permanent a bit before he died, despite reports from a mother alleging crimes against her son and a report from a priest at the Shrine of Our Lady of La Salette of abuse against a boy.
Pope Francis surely was not aware of that, but sadly I don’t he would have cared too much. Julio César Grassi raped boys cared for by his charity (Happy Children Foundation) aimed at helping street children. The then Archbishop Bergoglio of Buenos Aires commissioned a multi-volume work attacking the evidence and victims which was given to the court which later sentenced Grassi to 15 years in jail. Grassi said that Francis ‘never let go of his hand.’ This is clericalism, and this letter is also a character of clericalism, a mark of approval.

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Bergoglio made a media event of renewing his Argentinian Passport. He has never visited his home country, never done parading his virtue in other parts of the world. His virtue on the home front is not so honourable. Guilty as Hell. Like His Disgrace of Dublin Dermot Martin, Bergoglio speaks with forked tongue, most especially on the subject of this blog today. Burke whom this blog mocks today at least has conviction( I do not share them) and I dare say honour also….. not a lot of that in the papal mansion( however small for optics).

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It remains peculiar that Francis hasn’t visit Argentina. The former centre right government seemed the issue, but given his Argentine history old ghosts might come to haunt him.

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I hold that Bergoglio was in on what happened George Pell. That is how rotten the Bergoglio papacy is.

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And Mark Coleridge plus the collective cowardice of the Australian episcopal bench were not much better. Pell was wise to Coleridge…. Great blessing he didn’t make it to Sydney or Melbourne….. is he giving vaccinations himself to his clergy?

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As an abuse victim I greatly respect Pell for setting up the Melbourne response and I find it sickening of the corrupt Victoria police try to make him as a scapegoat and how the Royal Commission created a special double standard just for him, to assume he must have known about stuff before he became archbishop (and eradicated abuse from the archdiocese of Melbourne). Bongiorno got off easy though… how corrupt… Gail Furness showed herself openly hostile to Pell, yet her love was involved in one of the institutions investigated by the Commission….

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“…loving one’s neighbour is still the second commandment, tied “necessarily” to the first commandment to love God.
“Thank you for your neighborly work,”’
Today’s blog story is appropriate for anyone reading one chapter each day of the Gospel of Luke, for the first 24 days of December.
10:29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbour?”

10:33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him.

10:36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbour to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”
10:37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”
Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”
Pax.

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8.28: Many of us do precisely that frequently. We seek God’s mercy and forgiveness. And – mr. cynic – many of us likewise practice Jesus’s admonition to “go and do likewise for the sick, wounded and hurt..” Today I had 4 such opportunities. As always, Jesus’s WORDS are meant for all who profess his name. So, don’t forget to look at your own need for God’s healing..

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9:54
Why call me mister? I seek Gods mercy and forgiveness every day. Many of us have very strong reasons to be cynical. Read the parable of the Good Samaritan again. The Good Samaritan applies to any charitable person, especially one who, like the man in the parable, rescues or helps out a needy stranger. Were you not doing your duty as a priest? And don’t think for a second you can put me on a guilt trip with ‘don’t forget your own need for Gods healing…’ Don’t forget ruined lives as a consequence of clerical cover up of abuse.

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Well that’s nice to know that 9:54 feels he has done his duty and everything will now be dealt with.

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I could write the Bergoglio profile… I had the experience of his like for five years….” Michael needs time.” That’s a quote from Eamonn Martin whose never done quoting Bergoglio…. I am sure he cannot stomach the Argentine at all… no golden high collar chasubles now( well except for Ontological Change).

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10.20: Yes, don’t forget your own need for God’s mercy and healing. Glad you recognise your need. I truly understand the parable of the Good Samaritan.. Do you?

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10:49

Don’t patronize me. Glad to hear you truly understand the parable of the Good Samaritan.
Many of your colleagues in the Episcopate and clerical fraternity don’t seem to understand anything of the parable.

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Bishop Buckley, an interesting theological and philosophical problem from of all places Brisbane. Mark Bergoglio Coleridge has decided his conscience is superior to all other consciences. The media are covering his “enforcement.” Your blog applied to Brisbane might give a forum for expression and bring an epiphany moment of “ internationalisation “

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In plain English, the Archbishop of Brisbane is requiring all his clergy and lay employees to be vaccinated.

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Wow a RCC bishop mandating COVID-19 vaccines that use fetal cell lines in development or production. Surely, it must be a matter of individual conscience.

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9:32 am The bishops conscience must be more informed. He’d know better, now, wouldn’t he, being a RCC bishop.

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Sr. Jeannine Gramick has an interesting Wikipedia profile. A very smart, educated and visionary religious. Her Loretto Order has a wonderful history of providing top class education in USA and further afield. What a shame she was banned..but she retained her independence of mind and spirit. A very interesting woman.

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She’s nit a Loreto nun. She’s a member of the School Sisters of Notre Dame, which lost their way and have no vocations. Likewise the Loreto Sisters. 42% of their members are aged 80 or over.

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You didn’t get the memo about her supporting abuser Shanley yet? Guess it fits her abortion support though. Independence of mind and spirit from the natural law.

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John Keenan has been chosen. He was told in Rome on St Andrew’s Day. An announcement will come before Christmas.

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@William Mulvihill
You write about “collective cowardice”. You wrote on this blog about Dargan’s integrity. But you were the person that perpetuated and defended him when Dargan could have exposed Richard Purcell and his duplicity. Dargan is a coward because he would not speak truth to power. Yet, he was more than happy to go on national television and tell us all about the injustice he received at the hands of the state in collusion with the church. You would not publicly acknowledge what you knew about Dargan and his sexual relationship with Purcell. You are in no position to proffer any comment about cowardice or duplicity within the Church because you helped perpetuate a cover-up. Harsh but true.

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10.40: Mulvihill, quit your bluffing and caca. Stop trying to be wise. Own your own untruths and cowardice. Answer justifiable questions.

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10 19: A superb and timely rebuttal of Wm. Mulvihill. For quite some time he has displayed his own perverted duplicity, hypocrisy and contradictions re: his friend Dargan. It is time for Billeen to shut up or be really honest and answer the legitimate questions put to him. Otherwise, he is a moral coward.

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10.19
The Church is a cover up. You just dont get it. The names you mention are positively cherubic in comparison to episcopal and papal habits.

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What makes me laugh is when people make out there’s a gay conspiracy to take over the church and destroy it. If you actually wanted to destroy the church you would just enforce the rules about celibacy and there would be no priests or sacraments in a year.

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10.42
You are wise… there is no conspiracy to do that…. It happened along time ago…. The amusing aspect to the Monastic question on this blog is that Malachy and Bernard who started it all…. Well they liked praying together so much, reputedly they were buried together. More than their prayers…….

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THE GUARDIAN 18 October 2020
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The government has been accused of “institutional prejudice” for failing to give an automatic peerage to John Sentamu, the former archbishop of York.
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Sentamu’s successor, Stephen Cottrell, who was enthroned as the 98th archbishop of York on Sunday, tweeted that he was “disturbed to find out today whether it be through negligence or Itent my predecessor Sentamu has not been given the peerage that has been the custom for many years. I trust this will soon be rectified.”
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David Lammy, the shadow justice minister, said on Twitter: “No 10 broke a precedent and snubbed Britain’s first black archbishop for a peerage because it says the House of Lords is too large, but it made room for Ian Botham, Claire Fox and Theresa May’s husband. Blatant institutional prejudice.” (Philip May received a knighthood, not a peerage.)
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* !* !* Sentamu, 71, retired as archbishop of York on 7 June. He was told later that month that he was in line for a peerage, but in July he was informed that his name would not be included in Boris Johnson’s honours list. *! *! *
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/18/john-sentamu-peerage-snub-criticised-as-institutional-prejudice

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