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FRANCIS CONDEMNS KIRBY LIKE “FOUNDERS”.

Pope Francis meets participants in the plenary assembly of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life at the Vatican’s Clementine Hall, Dec. 11, 2021. / Vatican Media.

Pope Francis asked Vatican officials on Saturday to look out for “self-referential” founders of Catholic communities who put themselves “above the Church.”

The pope told members of the Vatican department that oversees consecrated life on Dec. 11 to focus on “discerning and accompanying,” while carefully scrutinizing leaders.

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He said: “In discerning and accompanying, there are some considerations that should always be kept in mind. Attention to the founders, who at times tend to be self-referential, to feel that they are the sole custodians or interpreters of the charism, as if they were above the Church.”

The pope was speaking to members of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life gathered at the Vatican for a plenary meeting.

The congregation is composed of five offices, responsible for promotion and formation, monastic life, governance, disciplinary matters, and the creation, merging, and suppression of communities.

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The department is led by the Brazilian Cardinal João Braz de Aviz.

The pope urged officials to pay particular attention to the pastoral care of vocations and the formation process.

He also called for “attention to how the service of authority is exercised, with particular regard to the separation of the internal and external forums — a theme that worries me so much — the duration of mandates, and the accumulation of powers. And attention to abuses of authority and power.”

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The “internal forum,” also known as the “forum of conscience,” relates to practices such as confession and spiritual direction, while the “external forum” refers to matters affecting the public good.

The pope added that he had recently received a volume by the Vatican reporter Salvatore Cernuzio on “the everyday abuses that hurt the strength of the vocation.”

In November, the journalist released a book in Italian called “The Veil of Silence: Abuses, Violence, and Frustrations in Female Religious Life,” highlighting the mistreatment of religious sisters.

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The pope’s comments about founders are the latest sign of the Vatican’s concern about the quality of leadership in Catholic groups around the world.

The Vatican announced strict limits in June on the terms of leaders of international associations of the faithful and new communities.

The Dicastery for Laity, Family, and Life, which is responsible for associations of the faithful and international ecclesial movements, issued a decree restricting terms of office in a movement’s central governing body to a maximum of five years.

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Members are now permitted to hold positions at the international governing level for no more than 10 years consecutively. Re-election is then possible after a vacancy of one term.

The new regulations say that where leaders have already exceeded the term limits, groups must provide for new elections “no later than 24 months from the coming into force of this decree,” or before Sept. 11, 2023.

In his address on Saturday, the pope spoke about the Vatican’s role in approving new communities.

Pope Francis changed canon law in November 2020 to require a bishop to have permission from the Holy See prior to establishing a new religious institute in his diocese, further strengthening Vatican oversight over the process.

“With regard to discernment in view of the approval of new institutes, new forms of consecrated life, or new communities, I invite you to develop collaboration with the diocesan bishops,” he said.

“And I exhort the Pastors not to be frightened and to fully welcome your accompaniment. It is the responsibility of the Pastor to accompany and, at the same time, accept this service.”

“This collaboration, this synergy between the dicastery and the bishops also makes it possible to avoid — as the [Second Vatican] Council asks — the inappropriate creation of institutes lacking sufficient motivation or adequate vigor, perhaps with goodwill, but something is missing.

“Your service is valuable in seeking to provide Pastors and the People of God with valid criteria for discernment.”

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In an address to representatives of lay Catholic associations, movements, and new communities in September, Pope Francis underlined that governance in the Church is “nothing but a call to serve.”

He said that the Vatican decree setting term limits for leaders was issued because “the reality of the last few decades has shown us the need for the changes.”

“The exercise of government within associations and movements is a theme that is particularly close to my heart, especially considering … the cases of abuse of various kinds that have also occurred in these realities and which always find their root in abuse of power,” he said.

“Not infrequently the Holy See, in recent years, has had to intervene, starting not easy processes of reorganization. And I think not only of these very bad situations, which make noise; but also to the diseases that come from the weakening of the foundational charism, which becomes lukewarm and loses the capacity of attraction.”

PAT SAYS

This is exactly why Kirby should never have been allowed to set up Silverstream

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POTRAIT OF PAT BY MOTHER FRANCES MEIGH RCA 1998.

111 replies on “FRANCIS CONDEMNS KIRBY LIKE “FOUNDERS”.”

‘This is exactly why Kirby should never have been allowed to set up Silverstream’
Well it is, of course it is, but in reality every shambles in the church is presided over by the Vatican. I would be very wary of saying the Vatican wants to sort things when it doesn’t.

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10:36,
The diocese must take responsibility. Blaming the Vatican or the visitation report are just smokescreens, to the delight of the diocese.
The Priory was founded in 2012. It was canonically erected as an autonomous monastery of diocesan right on 25 February 2017. The diocese seemed to abdicate themselves of all responsibility. The current bishop then has inherited an awful mess altogether. The bishop has been given a bad hand but as the Episcopal leader, he must act and resolve the matter that casts a dark shadow over the diocese.
Pax.

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I wouldn’t dream of saying otherwise, Seamus. It’s an absolute shambles and is the dioceses pigeon.
However the article is quite a lot about the Vatican and refers to giving evidence to the Vatican. When the shambles is insuperable in a diocese it always ends at the Vatican and that’s what I was getting at. People talk as if taking something to the Vatican will sort it, but nine times out of ten nothing happens.
This suggests the Vatican is at least as problematic as the dioceses and shouldn’t be let off the hook.

Incidentally my prediction about Silverstream is nothing will be done about it, it will just carry on, and if anything happens to shut it down it will be because of the mass rite, not any corruption. You know this is how the Roman church functions!

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May God bless you +Pat, but I see only ever more unnecessary centralisation by the synodal Pope or his advisors, although centralisation has been the direction since V1. Every significant activity is now referred to some desk in the Vatican. Given the blunderings seen in recent times, this is a recipe for paralysis and blunders. This is based on some sort of assumption that there are more prudent minds in the Vatican. How many bishops exist? Local matters should be resolved locally. Subsidiarity is a good thing and should be the watchword.

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Pope Francis makes great sense. There is always a danger with new foundations of religious orders and monasteries that they create their own templates for long reigns and authority without proper scrutiny or accountability. Now, in hindsight we know Kirby was unsuited for leading a new monastic foundation. In a huge organisation like the Catholic Church it is almost impossible to maintain 100% scrutiny on all orders, groups, monasteries, convents, lay groups, clerics etc….When we relax or ignore full accountability mechanisms or don’t enact them fully or require frequent reporting there is always the risk of failings, corruption and abuse of authority and leadership. Look at all the charities which have, in recent years, folded up because of lax accountability, poor governance and dishonest leaders. The church can and has fallen in this regard all too often with horrendous hurt and pain for many and profound shame brought to its name. I wonder what category Pat might consider himself to be in regarding the accountability to anyine with his Oratory? Is there a governing body 8f any kind? Strict guudelines about engineering to be ordained or to join as a priest? What are the criteria? I believe Pope Francis would dissolve many religious communities or seek amalgamation where numbers have decreased dramatically but there are some within the Curia who are obstacles. Any induvidual or groups who found a new movement independent of the Church must surely be accountable to some body of responsible critics and analysts to ensure that all is well and being run correctly so as to avoid scandals or abuses of any kind.

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“Pope Francis makes great sense.”
Habemus papam!
“How about a term and age limit for popes?”
7:35, when bishops retire at 75, surely the Bishop of Rome must do likewise?

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I agree, Seamus. Frank veers from his ever so public His Humbleness /bishop of Rome act, to the exercise of brutal raw power in a way that would make Pius IX blush and goes far beyond what Vatican I taught, never mind Vatican II. The nasty old old Peronist will never resign.

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Messe d’action de grâce de Mgr Michel Aupetit – https://youtu.be/loeAT-WArm0
Dear Pat ,
After his resignation was accepted by the Pope
due to the scandal over his relationship with a woman is it not arrogant ,
inappropriate , and sending the wrong message out
with Mgr Michel Aupetit going round the Diocese ,
and publicly concelebrating Mass ? How can they clap a man who has
behaved in such a way ? I think it is disgusting !

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It is wholly right for him to do this. He is loved greatly and people wish to give thanks for his ministry. Love is central. Let it be.

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And if ‘love’ is central there should be masses of thanksgiving for many a priest’s ministry in public toilets and gay saunas.
Let it be. ⛱️

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12.49
Read what Francis said about why he accepted the resignation. Repent of your viciously judgemental attitude!

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12.49: I admire the bishop for his expression of gratitude to parishioners. It is they, the parishioners, who clapped. What a GRACE of God’s love and mercy and a magnificent gesture of forgiveness from people. You could learn something of CHRIST from these good christian parishioners…You nasty piece..

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It’s very difficult to see how Silverstream Priory can be allowed to continue, given these positions of the Supreme Legislator of the Catholic Church on religious life, not to mention his clear wishes concerning the unity of the Roman Rite.
Michael Smith and Tom Deenihan have proven eloquently why diocesan ordinaries cannot be trusted to unilaterally open up places like Silverstream.
Whether they like it or not, the Diocese of Meath is ultimately responsible for all of this chaos, and this will not have escaped the notice of the Roman Curia.
Suppression, it seems, is not a matter of *if*, but of *when*. This is a horrible thing to contemplate, as there are doubtless innocent men there. But, ultimately, it’s the arrogance, malice, and stupidity of the bishop, the Priory’s superiors, and the visitators which have created this untenable situation.

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Yes. Ordained monks of Silverstream are incardinated into Meath. How could M. Smith have allowed the BA situation where someone is ordained before aolemn vows? Smith, ordained at 22 has a DCL! Shows how worthless such a qualification is. It’s not worth the proverbial paper. It brings the discipline into disrepute.

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Silver stream is the biggest pile of s**te I’ve ever heard off. What is wrong with these men under 35 that join up? They seem more deluded than the average weirdo that signs up to become a priest

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It takes all kinds to make a church/world. Maybe a name change is in order. Whatever happened to all the lolly?

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…”the average weirdo that signs up to become a priest….” How right ! I have long since observed when the seminarians from our local seminary attend celebrations in the cathedral just how strange many of them look and behave. I wonder how they compare to a collection of lads of that age from, say, the local university, There is always a smattering among them that are lardy and seriously overweight; others just seem shy, retiring, introspective and socially inadequate; others are plain camp and girly; all of them have questionable judgment signing up for what has clearly been shown to be a lifestyle and culture that is plain dysfunctional and dangerous. Not many of them will survive seminary, and many will be culled during the first 5 years of ordination, mostly by running off in love with another man, or having done something injudicious like getting caught cruising at a gay alfresco sex spot, or find themselves in prison. Fact. Do the math, as the Americans say…..

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10:07 – I wasn’t turned away, I went through the system, but at a time and in a place which was pretty normal and adjusted. It’s over the last 25 years or so that I’ve noticed the difference, and it disturbs me because whereas I think by and large my generation were committed to our vocations, I note that young men these days come in with a sense of being able to mould it to their own inclinations and requirements, which for the most part are gay, and prissy, and girly, and silly. Not to mention their sense of entitlement to be sexually active. It’s just what I see.

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12.15

However, most of your generation have either left, or are clinging on and managing decline, having presided over a collapse in Mass attendance, or are in prison. Time to give the young men and ex-Anglicans a chance.

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@12.15
So are you a priest who, at cathedral events, has bitchy thoughts about seminarians in your diocese? That’s not very charitable or brotherly or even basic Christianity. I suspect you are jealous of their youth and promise. You were the future, once.

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1:13
What young men? They’re not referred to on this blog as ‘girls’ for nothing.

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Kirby is a creep like the creepy priests that form the south Belfast groupie brigade. And priest, if you think you are missing out on this prestigious gathering, you really are not! Most are desperados

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9.30 am Mass Sunday 12th December

St Hugh of Lincoln, Letxhworth – We welcome Mgr Philip Whitmore who will celebrate this Mass.  Fr Philip is a friend of Fr Jimmy’s and has completed his time as Rector of the English College, Rome.

When is Phylis getting an assignment?

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She’s living in Spanish Place, awaiting a plum parish. I hope her social skills have improved from when she was in Westminster Cathedral parish.

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Yes, Whitmore is just waiting for one of the ex-Anglican queens in the nice London parishes to die or go to prison; or for one of Vin’s groupies to move on. Then he will be in a plush, plum place for as long as it takes for him, he thinks, to be made a bishop. Surely there’s somewhere in Slough or Watford he could go ?

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He is not even listed as a priest of Spanish Place. He just lives there, as an agreeable, rent-free central London base and untroubled by parish duties.

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Philip Whitmore will have to take what he gets. Everybody knows that the plum parishes of Westminster are reserved for the ex-Anglicans, as of right. The cradle Catholic priests, especially those of Irish extraction, can go anywhere, as long as it is outside Zone 1.

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Ship Kirby and Ko back to the states where he belongs! Him and his phony wacky ideas, man wanted to start a cult in Leprechaun Land, bloody cheek of him

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Anyone heard about the rumour of the priest 3some with a gay couple on snap? Or was that just a lad dressed up in uniform and it was a pretend hidden cam?

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+ Pat, we would all be in the dark if those three priests from Meath had not supplied you with the information about Kirby and Silverstream.

Dom Andersen is paying the price for calling out the misconduct of Kirby. And Deenihan is punishing Andersen by trying to get him on the seal of confession. It is a total shit show.

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Anon at 10.26pm

Felt sorry for Anderson.
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What does it say about Deenihan punishing the whistleblower, who was doing the right thing at that time.?
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What kind of a Bishop who does that?
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being a whistleblower is never easy as it’s a target on you from others
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I recall giving evidence to govt funded state body. All I got was all sort of names being called at even derogatory ones. It was unpleasant and uncomfortable. Even mobile was bugged as I didn’t even know it.

Anderson must stick it out if he wishes to in order to survive. Its no easy task.

Anderson must attack the Bishop and the visitation team as well in order to clear his name.

Attack is best form of defence.

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How Fr. Anderson still has any faith at all, much less a vocation, is a testament to the grace and faithfulness of God…. May God deliver him speedily from the malice of his enemies!

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Sadly Dom Anderson has done the one absolute no no – going public – and so has essentially ended his career in the church. That alone will make any other institute think twice about taking him on.
Did I mention the whole thing is rotten to the core?

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Anon at 10.26am
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Seal of confession is quite frankly irrelevant. Have had an experience of Vincentian priest breaking the seal of confession by informing a certain CB re our sins.
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Seal of confession is another method or clamping it down or a misdirection if you like. Nothing detracts from the real truth that Anderson possess.
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The real issue is whole shebang of things, mishandling of monies, shoddy governance, dodgy age limit of 35 which suits the founder, kirby for his own pleasure🤷‍♂️, no due diligence, too americanised, no investigation on kirby itself, his faux book exposed, nearly everything points to a sham.
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Why did Meath diocese let kirby in the first place?
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Was the donor (wife of certain PP shops) duped in giving away her money that led to the setup of silverstream🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

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DG @1.28pm, the seal of the confessional was broken regularly by the priest staff on Lough Derg. Highlights from each day’s many confessions formed part of the bants between the priests and sems in the sitting room every night at the end of the day’s proceedings.

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“Why did Meath diocese let kirby in the first place?”
Great question @1.28, what was +Smith hoping to achieve or get out of this exercise?

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DG, you have summarised the key issues that the Visitation chose to ignore:

“The real issue is whole shebang of things, mishandling of monies, shoddy governance, dodgy age limit of 35 which suits the founder, kirby for his own pleasure🤷‍♂️, no due diligence, too americanised, no investigation on kirby itself, his faux book exposed, nearly everything points to a sham.”

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Anon at 2.17pm
Thanks. I was just wondering as regards to the visitation report, do you have it in your possession 🤷‍♂️.
Its because I noticed that an American news outlet (NCR online) was able to get that report but we can’t get it 🙈🤷‍♂️

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DG at 2.17, The Tablet and Irish Independent stories, both by Sarah Mac Donald, refer to this document.

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Anon at 2.48pm

Interesting as I didn’t know that re lough derg cos I went there myself many years ago.
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Your revelation re seal of confession as demonstrated in Lough Derg, rcc in Australia were harping very strongly about that issue as they wanted to preserve it at all costs after the royal inquiry commission had completed their work.
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As I wonder was/is many deal of confession broken or violated in the past or in the present time, I thought i was the only one, out there, who had heard the seal of confession violated. But I know of two incidents of that nature in my ex alma Mater school so far to date. Both were done by that, same Vincentian priest,now deceased.
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It seems that seal of confessions was or is no longer sacrosanct nowadays or what 🤷‍♂️🤔.

Is it due to that gossiping nature of gay priests nowadays that it was spilled over.

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Deaf Guy at 6:00
We have seen the approach of many clergy to morals, sexuality and even the law. They doubtless carry that approach through to the seal of confession.
If a person ignores rules and principles in one area they will certainly ignore them in all areas of life.

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Fanny’s annual heretical playing to the gallery in the Maynooth Museum is happening in a few day’s time, Omicron or no Omicron.
Interestingly, there’s no seminary choir this year – that choir must have been abolished due to low numbers making it unsustainable, though they could form a quartet or a threesome (lol).
I wonder if all the pro-abortion, anti-Catholic, non-Mass going MU staff and students who scramble for tickets when it’s held in-person will tune in when it’s just online?
https://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/home/707104/annual-christmas-choral-event-to-go-ahead-in-maynooth-this-week.html

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2.57
Your annual rant about one of the highlights of the academic and liturgical year still stinks. In fact, if you read the press release, you’d find out how wrong you are. Three of the four usual university choirs are singing: the Chapel Choir, the Chamber Choir and the Schola Gregoriana. You are blinded by your prejudice. Suggest you adopt that handle for you nom de plume here: Blind Guy.

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The college chapel choir is no longer the seminary choir. It has lay students and lay staff in it. There was a new, separate, seminary choir in recent years, but no mention of it this time. What’s happened to it?

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10.42
The College Chapel Choir is the choir of the seminary, Blind Guy. There is not and there never was a constitutional documentary of the seminary choir which determined its membership had to be composed of only seminarians or that its existence would be compromised if someone who was not a seminarian were admitted. Seminary education is too important not to involve lay people.
The sickening blindness in evidence in your two comments would not be cured if you visited an optician every day for the rest of your life.

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8.12
This is poignant. You know the square root of FA. Are you a lay student 🤣?
The college choir was seminarians only from its foundation until 1988, when it was renamed the college chapel choir. It remained sems only.
About 5 years ago, the college chapel choir admitted lay students and staff. Separately, a seminary choir was established. It was the only choir to sing last year. See link below. There’s no mention this year of the seminary choir (a separate outfit to the college chapel choir). What’s happened to it? I’m sure you don’t know the answer.
https://maynoothcollege.ie/maynooth-college-annual-christmas-service-to-be-livestreamed

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2:57 They could also form new versions of the all priests ‘holy show’ or the three tenners or two fivers- numbers permitting- or a showstopper solo rendition of Frank Sinatra’s ‘My Way’- again, numbers permitting!

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@12:19 pm You are obviously out of touch with appointments in Westminster. Some of us know that Fr Whitmore will be auxiliary Bishop for Westminster. The announcement will be made in the not too distant future. This is accurate information, have no doubt about that.

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Another desk priest raised to the episcopate. Wonderful news. I am sure he will inspire confidence and bring back many souls to the Lord.

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He is the coldest of cold fish and much too shy to be a bishop. Why do shy people become diocesan priests?

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6:14 Because some people understand that you have to minister to all sorts of personalities and that a priesthood of all the same is fundamentally flawed.

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Have you met him? He’s like a maiden aunt. It’s all Palestrina, Panama hats, and Tiffin for him. His face looks as though he’s squeezing a lemon between his buttocks. Pale and stale.

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8.04pm

Perfect description. He’s like a curate in the tv adaptation of Miss Marple (the Joan Hickson version).

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@8:04 no, although I think I saw him somewhere (but many of his sort look like him, so maybe not), but someone who has herded cats decently well, ie run a seminary, which is not notorious, and spent a good while as a curial official, basically has the traits of a future Court bishop, insofar as a Catholic prelate can be one. It might not the wholly Christ like, but someone who could navigate a rarefied upper level of bureaucracy and Church management seems suited. Insecure bishops can have a tendency to blow money on pompous vesture and church fitting to give themselves cachet (see earlier blog posts), whereas Mgsr Whitmore would have less reason to be insecure.

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Any news on Georgina Pell’s mass at the London Oratory yesterday? Did she inspire them with stories of her stay at Prisoner Cell Block H?

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What happened George Pell is the only equal event in the public media that can be compared to The Passion Of Jesus, read only twice annually, in my lifetime. It happens privately in multitudinous lives perennially. It should not be mocked. He is a good man.

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I am sure the little boys and girls raped by RCC priests participate more the Passion of Christ than Pell did for give seconds inside.

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8.18
You mean The Passion of the Christ. You can’t have read it very thoroughly either time if you got the title wrong. There are many for whom Jesus is not the Christ – the Chosen People, for example.

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8.27
If you were hanging by your neck from the time he was wrongly incarcerated until the time he was freed, you’d be well and truly dead.

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I have never ready Fr Kirby’s book and I’m not planning to. What I wonder is how did ecclesiastical authorities not find it a cause for concern when he said he was hearing voices from the tabernacle. I thought he might have meant his claim of “revelation” metaphorically as in “insights”. The fact that there may not be any theological errors doesn’t add anything to his claim given that he would have studied theology at some stage. Antics of this kind do not assist the credibility of the faith in the modern mind.

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The bishop who gave the imprimatur was Michael Smith of Meath, and the censor deputatus is Peter Kwasniewski, a Kirby loyalist, that’s how!

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Dr Kwasniewski is deeply invested in Silverstream – his wife is an Oblate and his son is a novice monk there. So any dissolution of the monastery or debunking of Kirby’s writings would be very painful.

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8.27

If you were not so quick to judge, what you say was built into my comment. Have another look; the meaning of respect.

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Nothing at all is worthy of respect in the RCC. Satan’s dung is the only thing they respect.

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9.18.
You are entirely mistaken in the context of Cristian Christology. He was not The Christ until he was risen. Check your Sanskrit for what escapes you.

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10.10
Risen and resurrection are outside of time. There is no before and after where they are concerned.

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I have it somewhere. I read it and left it. Maybe it was the fruity and empty sermon I once heard Kirby give, but it never engaged me. Lisps don’t always mean gay, for Henri IV lisped but had no difficulty seducing the wives of other men, and gay doesn’t always mean creep, which it did for Kirby.
I notice that his now closed but readable blog was blocked from archive.org:
https://web.archive.org/web/2/http://vultus.stblogs.org
Maybe nothing. I found it interesting the NLM carried nothing from Silverstream or Kirby post 2013, unless they deleted stuff.

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I submit that innocent men don’t delete their blogs and block them from being recoverable via archive or cache.

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It certainly suggests Kirby was very aware of leaving any troublesome online traces. Kirby seems quite shadowy before Silverstream. I wonder if he’ll just wait things out, and after a low key show of repentance return to Silverstream. Maybe not.

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The page linked below shows another church’s way of dealing with unsuitable behaviour by clergy. It is a significantly complicated situation because the church initially messed it up and the minister concerned is the son of John Smyth (of Bleeding for Jesus infamy). I link it here because it seems a model of how a church should actually deal with a total mess:

https://www.advancemovement.com/2021/12/09/update-on-pj-smyth/

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Alas, the other one true church has her problems but a bit more dramatic. In the interest of fair and balanced commenting a headline from your Daily Mail prefaced by a word from the friend who forwarded it to me.
Guess Rome doesn’t have a monopoly on killer nuns!
Russian graduate, 18, ‘blows himself up’ outside Orthodox school ‘in revenge for being bullied by nuns

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Only part of a long term pall cast, by the same Muscular Christianity that has wasted the RCC, over those two major denominations in my observation. Sometimes, public relations can be left to those sincere but under-informed: it’s more convincing.
On the headline, there will be one fewer Kirby but all the rest of the parallel channels that the Vatican City State promotes will be allowed because they can be finessed.
Spirituality can only be reinvented by ordinary people, in total obscurity, on our own. Really on our own. Not “influencing”.

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Pope Francis’ comments on the shortcomings of some leaders of new religious communities are welcome, albeit at least 70 years late. When you consider Father Marcial Maciel and the Legionaries of Christ. Or the dodgy Dominicans who were Jean Vanier’s mentors. Or the Brothers of St Gérard Majella in Australia from the 1950s to the 1980s. Or the dozen or more cases of new religious movements reportedly being investigated by Rome.
Sadly, new religious movements are evidently irresistible to bishops. “Yes, it is a true sign of the Holy Spirit!!!” Maybe so. But it might also be a sign of the founder’s mental problems or pelvic urges or taste for power over others or shrewd eye for a business opportunity. As L Ron Hubbard observed, founding a religion is a superb way to make money.

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It is on one left astounding that LC was not dissolved. It is claimed that Marcial Maciel’s uncle and bishop Guizar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Gu%C3%ADzar_y_Valencia), who trained him after expulsion from seminary, suspended him after hearing of his assaults on those three youths who were the first LC recruits. Perhaps he just died of shock as Wikipedia seem to be saying, but it would be notable that the perv founder operated all that time as a suspended priest. It is still a cult which seeks to recruit comely youths as priests, even if it is not no longer about sustaining the luxury and perversion of Maciel.

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There was just too much money in the LCs. It depends how zeros you believe, but one report quoted an annual turnover of $650 million and assets of $20 billion plus. Sounds insane. But Father M had a very persuasive way with elderly rich Mexican widows.

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Oh I suppose. Potentially, just to focus on a common topic, Silverstream is the diocese of Meath LC, grubby but a money spinner somehow. I would have thought there were any number of Hispanic and other bishops, maybe Orders who wanted their hands on the loot, and the handsome young priests, but perhaps from a business standpoint, a humbler but unified LC is more lucrative.

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