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CHRISTMAS / NEW GIFT FROM BELFAST PARISHIONER.

A new book has been published in 2021 about Divis Flats – part of the Cathedral Parish I served in Belfast from 1978 to 1983.

It is called DIVIS FLATS.

It’s authors are photographer Judah Passow and journalist Robin Livingstone.

It is a series of fascinating photographs from thar era in Belfast and captures many of the wonderful characters that I’ve there.

The above photograph was of a meeting of the DIVIS RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION – DRA – I founded with a representative if the Northern Ireland Housing Executive NIHE. I was its first chairman.

MC KINLEY

I had offered the chairmanship to the then administrator of the cathedral – Father Vincent McKinley who replied: “There’ll be no fucking private army in my fucking parish”.

So, I became chairman.

The DRA campaigned for the demolition of the awful flats and their replacement with proper housing.

It also campaigned for the urgent upgrade of the flats and area pending the demolition.

THE BRITISH ARMY

Everyday our streets and balconies were patrolled by fully armed members of the Vritish Army.

Some of the soldiers were pleasant but others were there to provoke and to injure and kill.

I put my heart and soul into every single day I ministered in Divis – working 16 / 18 hours a day.

The people of the area were wonderful – embattled but the salt of the earth.

The clergy at this time thought the people were the lowest of the low and only associated with their favourites.

The exception, apart from myself was Father Jimmy McCabe, a Derry man and a chain smoker who said his prayers and was dedicated to the sick and housebound.

Copies of this book and other Passow books can be ordered on belfastarchiveproject.com

137 replies on “CHRISTMAS / NEW GIFT FROM BELFAST PARISHIONER.”

My wife worked in the division play project. She too calls the people in this district the salt of the earth. The sentiments McKinley felt are still much the same held by other pp’s in Belfast parishes . They either are totally out of touch with the people or see themselves as too good to mix with them

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The Redemptorist Fathers in Clonard Monastery made a huge contribution to Belfast and to the local community. I am sad to see such a vibrant ministry declining with 12 of the present community over 75 years, and the other two members not far from retirement age. There was a young chap in Clonard (looks like Morris/Wilson from your blog) who was ordained last year. He has sadly moved to a different monastery. He was very shy, I wish he had more of your spunk Pat, and that he ministered to the youth in our area.

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9.41 and 9.45
One detects more passive aggression in relation to renewal and the church’s embracing of gay Christians from you.

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In every Northern Ireland diocese the clergy are most at ease when dealing with Catholics of the retired librarian, teacher and accountant class, and Protestants. They secretly and not so secretly despise and patronise their working class parishoners, who frighten and appall them and with whom they find it hard to hold a conversation, especially with the men, unless the men are young and/or gay.

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11.18: You would say that, wouldn’t you? It’s a gross exaggeration. Your snipe about “unless you’re gay..” is a slur in all gay men and clerics. You haven’t an ounce of verifiable proof. Liar.

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11.18
There an L of a difference between appal and appall,
and an L of a difference between your comment and a fair-minded one.

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Yes bring back Fr. Holovaseline. Young priests are needed. I think he would be great working with young people. It would be awesome, if he got a baseball cap and turned the yard outside the monastery into a skateboarding track.

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What a stupid comment about renewal. By definition a renewal as the council instructed the orders, means a renewal and not death.

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In hindsight was it worth all the effort Pat? Sometimes I look back and think of the old Limerick “If you work hard and do your best you’ll get the sack like all the rest, but if you lark and mess about you’ll get to see the job right out”

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I don’t know Pat, tbh I think if I was back doing it all again I’d just cruise.

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Fr Kilcoyne has turned orthodox and has rich US backers for his new social media outfit, Immaculata Productions.

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10:48pm,
Modern day Limerick appears to have a better mindset and shaken off the baggage of the past. Is Moyross progressing ok? Many salt of the earth people from there despite the bad press the area received.

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Clonard had some fine gentlemen who were selfless, charitable, and compassionate. What happened to proclaim.ie? One of the most talented priests in the Dublin Province is not using his gifts to bring the Redemptorists forward. He is a brilliant teacher, scholar and linguist, known for his sincerity, kindness and fine preaching. He needs to take the reins and to make some big decisions. Please lead.

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I think you had a lot of time for that NIHE* manager.
*Northern Ireland Housing Executive (the social housing body set up when councils in NI lost responsibility for housing in consequence of their terrible discrimination in allocating council housing).

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In previous blog posts this week, the subject of MIAs has arisen several times. The list appears to be substantial. How can it be fair that in such challenging times financially for families in Northern Ireland a tsunami of funding from Chuch is always available for their upkeep, expenditure, costs, travel and general squanderous living habits? Should these individuals not take a long hard look at themselves and their lack of service. Why are their bishops sanctioning this Bishop Pat? Why are people in this province paying but seeing no return for their offering to God and his Church?

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The NI clergy hater is out in force again @ 2.06am no doubt with a glass full of booze. The Church will be ok without your zero financial support. What’s the real issue eating away at you luv?

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In fairness if you remember at that dreadful time you were considered by local clergy as a passive aggressive attention seeker and a nightmare to live with. Not all the people were the salt of the earth, many were involved not just with the DRA but also with the RA.. People did not see Fr. McKinley as you do. They remember a good holy priest devoted to the Holy Mass and who had great devotion to Our Lady, if only we had more like him now.

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I’m afraid Vincent McKinley was not Holy. He was cynical, a womaniser and a big gambler.

He laughed at and about the parishioners.

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9:02 Try reading the comments on this blog – the clergy considers anyone who threatens them in any way to be a passive aggressive attention seeker. Because they want the attention all to themselves and won’t share.

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9:02 am I’d say you were behaving in a pretty passive aggressive way yourself. 😂

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Three people know the truth – McKinley McGurnaghan and me. I am the only one living.

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It appears Northern Ireland is no better than anywhere else. Cocktails bar priests socialising with questionnable individuals. This is the norm. They try to keep to Dublin, Belfast, Derry and the odd night-time excursion… but they are well known and their inexcusable behaviours should be exposed. There is nothing wrong with socialising – with anyone – but ‘Show me the company you keep, and I’ll tell you what type of life you lead’. #NI #timeforrealtruths

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11:18pm please don’t generalise about all clergy in Northern Ireland dioceses. I work in a rural parish and am quite happy mixing with all classes of people. I see everyone for what they are…..a human being, gifted in a variety of ways. I treat everyone the same and am in the priesthood to do my best for the people I serve. Yes, a lot of priests treat people differently and only have time for the well-off. I have met more snobbery in the priesthood than in any other walk of life but I always try to keep myself in touch with each and every person.

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As an Irish priest working in England, I have interestingly found far less snobbery among the clergy. You would imagine in a class ridden culture like Britain, it would be worse, but it’s not. I found in Ireland, many priest’s looked down on fellow clergy if they didn’t have a middle-class background. At one stage, the Fine Gael Cumann in Maynooth was one of the biggest in the country. It may well go back to the philosophy of the big farmer to have a pump in the yard and a son in Maynooth. Apart from some of the younger, prissy, ones here in Britain, clergy here treat each other, well, just like fellow clergy.

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Oh dear, you must be in some provincial out in the sticks diocese ! Here in London, there are definitely divisions of background, class and society amongst clergy. The ex-Anglicans really do think of themselves as a cut above the rest; then the Venerable English College lot think there is something special about them; then the native English ones who didn’t make it to Rome; and then the old Irish ones who are indulged as rather quaint by the others; then the imports from India, Africa and the Philippines, who are just viewed as Mass machines, filling the slots. Deanery meetings are a strange affair, a bit like a United Nations meeting of nationalities and backgrounds. The theological, ecclesiological and moral attitudes of these different groups really does vary. The easiest going and most relaxed are the old Irish boys; the Africans are fascist and domineering; the ex-Anglicans play at being conservative but are up to all sorts of things; the VEC crowd play the Roman game but like to camp it up when they think nobody is watching. What a variety !

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Irish priest at 11:16: Your experience in England may partly be explained by the fact that RC and non conformist churches here tend to be predominantly (with exceptions obviously) working and lower middle class. They have much more homogeneity in class.

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12.34
Brilliant. Playing at constructing a conservative exterior while what happens below the radar is rather different describes some of the younger and not so young Irish dominicans.

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Clergy come mostly in two types – those with an affinity for the rich, and those who cling to the poor. Francis tells us that he prefers the latter, with the smell of the sheep. Commentators are correct in their observation that for the most part clergy do like the former. They are more like them, same schools, same backgrounds, same education, outlooks and interests. I bet Dean Kennedy spent his time – probably still does – with the former ? I remember taking over a working class parish many decades ago. I was intrigued by the overpowering smell when the congregation gathered in church. Not incense. Not perfume or aftershave. Not body odour. Eventually I worked it out. Chip fat ! These were the people who fried everything, and had chips with everything (in the days before oven chips, when you had to have a chip pan full of rancid fat). The chip fat smell permeated their homes and their clothes. And the church. Interesting. Good people, but just an indication that I was used to a different kind of social, domestic and economic environment. Then I moved up market in parish terms, and no more the smell of chip fat. More furs brought out of the cupboard at the beginning of winter and the smell of the camphor they had been stored in.

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9.10
Fascinating sociological observation. There’s an academic article or a master’s or doctoral thesis there for an interested party.

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Mr Bergoglio thinks priests should have the smell of the sheep, unless the sheep smell of incense.

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You were a passive aggressive noticebox Pat, disliked by the clergy you lived with. You fell foul of Daly the Informer because you got more positive attention than he did!

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I was not passive aggressive. McKinley and McGurnaghan did not like what I was doing because more people were ringing the door etc.

Mc Kinley assaulted me.

The two of them stood on the sanctuary of the cathedral simulating masturbation when I was praying.

Mc Gurnaghan told a priest in Lourdes that he felt guilty over the way he had treated me.

I now regret that I did not visit both men before they died to be reconciled with them.

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They were telling you that they thought you were a merchant Banker Pat. You certainly disturbed their comfortable lifestyle and connected with the parishioners in a way they were unable or unwilling to do.

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Yes. But I did not want to disturb them. I offered to answer the door everyday from 9 pm to 9 am.

I offered to put my own bell on the door so that they would not be disturbed.

There was no talking to them.

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10.02: I’m fascinated about the interpretation of stories and experiences from past re: clerical interactions. When sharing a house or presbytery with 1/2/3/4/5 other people, tensions and difficulties will arise. It is not an easy transition from college to living with people you may not otherwise choose to live with. Sharing requires great skill, patience and tolerance, above all honesty and collaboration. However, each person is different and it is natural for petty squabbles, meanness of spirit and unkindness to feature at times. I know. I had such an experience. I have heard similar stories like Pats but there are always 2/3/4 sides to all conflicts. Always. It rarely is the fault of just one person. Those of us ordained un late 70’s would not have been formed in the psychology of human interactions. While we were academically well taught and qualified, we were rather cold, unfeeling, detached emotionally, repressed perhaps. Thankfully many of us had a good family grounding in human decency and stability but living with a group of men where a hierarchy of superiority and position were paramount was a recipe for discontent and jealousy. It led to divisions, arguments, abuse of power and unpleasantness. In this atmosphere the escape at times was sought in secret drinking, irrational behaviour and a raging temper. Perhaps Pat you were thrown into a situation where you hadn’t a voice or were looked upon as “just the newly ordained..” – therefore of no great importance. This attitude made a newly ordained fight his corner which was often a brutal and unnecessary experience. Also when you live closely with others all the idiosyncrasies emerge and then …… the wars began…Psychologically, living together in any setting, family, presbytery, monastery, convent or sharing of any kind is awkward and challenging. Priests are not exempt from humanity!!

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Bishop Pat
Do not regret visiting before they died.
If you are a believer you will see them on the other side at some point.
They are likely apologizing to your loved ones for their actions.

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Indeed I am a believer and look forward ( but not too soon) to meeting people in heaven.

But I would have still like to be reconciled with them in this life.

I once met Joe McGurnaghan in M&S food Hall in Belfast. He looked ill and old a dog I felt sorry for him. I wish I had approached him that day.

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Happy new year Pat from the Maynooth Survivors. Each day the Survivors suffer from reoccurring flashbacks of the room in Maynooth Seminary known as the Pit.

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12.02
His unrequited infatuation is not doing him any good and looks as if it has risen/sunk to the level of an obsessive compulsion.
Please get help.

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11.45
If the stalker is a seminarian he should not proceed to ordination until he has satisfactorily resolved his unrequited obsession.

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11.45: You are a total nuisance. You are a destructive stalker and should seek professional help. The blog today is not about you and your imaginary “survivors”. Get into the real world. The people Pat speaks about from the Divis Flats are the real SURVIVORS.

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Funny how mercy only ever applies to priests and anyone else is game for the kind of criticism they say is terrible.

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+Pat. Surely your comment in brackets contradicts your supposed “purpose” here on spaceship Earth? “I look forward to meeting people in Heaven, (but not too soon)”.
It seems an inherent contradiction that so many supposedly religious people fear death when, according to most faith beliefs, it is but the doorway and entrance into something much greater.
MMM

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MMM I don’t “fear” death. But I also love life and want to leave here as late as possible knowing that I will have an eternity there.

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MMM it’s an interesting one. Now for example you could look at Pope Benedict and think that his entire life’s work has been devoted to his aim of dying so that he can be with Hitler for eternity.

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After demolition, did they build better housing on the site? Also, are five big ashtrays on the table in the third picture?

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Yes. They built fine new houses. The ashtrays 😉 In those days all meeting were held in smoke filled rooms. I have never smoked.

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I had a much younger colleague tell me quite seriously that you just don’t smoke sitting down, you only ever do it standing up. It turned out she had only ever seen people smoking standing outside buildings and had literally no idea that at one time every surface had an ash tray on it .

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1.02
Try telling that to someone whose smoking caused emphysema and early death.

An addiction to smoking is worse than an addiction to masturbation. Yet Christian theology in the past had too much to say about one and too little about the other.

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2:34 You will also I’m sure acknowledge that part of the problem is that for much of the history since tobacco was introduced to Europe smoking has been far more acceptable in society than masturbation and the church has followed this example. They even try to make out that kiddy fiddling is acceptable in society whereas it has been illegal for years and is only acceptable to RC bishops.

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I am a longtime priest of D&C. I do not like Pat Buckley and do not associate with him. But I knew Vincent McKinley and Joe McGurnaghan very, very well. Vincent admitted to me that he physically beat and kicked Buckley. Joe McGurnaghan had regrets over the ways he behaved towards Buckley. He told several of us that in Lourdes over the dinner table.

The whole thing happened as a result of a generational gap and jealousy over Buckley’s effectiveness in St. Peters. Joe told Daly that he would only accept the administratorship of St. Peters if Buckley was moved.

Daly was jealous because Buckley was in the media more than him.

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Sound like two pyscho ,twisted scumbags. Great that Pat Rose above them to become a true pastoral giant,compared to those two twats.

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@ 2:34pm

No it’s Fascists like you who want to regulate peoples free choice to smoke or not. Your remarks about the other habit tells us what you prefer. I’ve smoked for well over 50 years and still enjoy smoking without wankers like you telling us what to do.

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11.16
Disgusting and anti-social habit. Far worse for the addict, innocent passive smokers and the environment.
Masturbation, on the other hand is none of these.

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When I was growing up, priests would often be seen walking through the district engaging with people. Now they wouldn’t be seen dead walking through working class districts, engaging or helping with real social issues like housing etc. There is indeed a real sense of snobbery among a lot of priests. They see themselves as the elite, the chosen ones and there is no need for them to mix with the hoi polloi except when they are collecting money from them. It is a very sad indictment of them that they have separated themselves from their flock and are not committed to them in any way. Deny it all they want but the RCC is in terminal decline and they have no one to blame but themselves. I wonder was there ever a time when the bishop of bling walked around the working class districts of Belfast to experience some of the hardships that people therein do or is he too busy locked in his salubrious palace quaffing his expensive wines. Priests in Belfast take their lead from him. No wonder they can’t be bothered

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When in Divis I walked the perimeter of the parish every night before going to bed. I felt like a father wanting to know all his children were safe.

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@ 12:59am

How do you know if His Lordship Bishop Treanor is quaffing expensive wines? And if he is it’s NOYB you’re probably quaffing cheap red biddy, stop being jealous.

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1:17 The wine Treanor is drinking is most definitely of interest. As a Successor of the Apostles he should only ever drink fine vintage wine. As Our Lord said to the apostles: If they won’t cough up for good grub in one place, find another where they’re more gullible.

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Noel gets all his wine from James Nicholson’s in Crossgar and definitely not from Winemark or ASDA.

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12:51. I see that you are a longtime priest of D&C. What are your thoughts on the corruption within the diocesean ranks? Is this following Christ’s message or has that central tennant of Christianity been set aside

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D&C is sinking. Priests getting older. No Vocations. Noel Treanor was never suitable to be a bishop. He is out of his depth and has no pastoral skills.
His current plans are to halve the number of parishes in the diocese. This will upset many parishioners.
We are the Titanic before the iceberg.

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D&C Priest: ……before the iceberg, while Treanor rearranges the deckchairs!
Incidentally, I prefer your summary of the clerical shenanigans to others made here.

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The policy in most dioceses is to close/amalgamate parishes and import priests from Africa/India or the Philippines; as the standard of living gets better in those countries, fewer will desire to prop up our failing church.

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4:23 There is no need to translate the words I gave in the vernacular, into church speak.

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He should just say he wasn’t there at the time and anyone concerned should take it up with Fanny, Mick, Hugh, the PP of Mullagh and the German Department.

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Interesting to see when mc kinley says ‘it’s my f parish’.
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Its NOT his parish as parish belongs to its people who participated in the life of their parish and contributed their monies to the parish itself.
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Kinley comments can be seen and construed as a fiefdom. Practically he’s saying thats his turf or get lost re private army.
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To me or others, it’s all about power and control on kinley or rcc part and their own set of politics, nothing to do with God f
period.

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Anon at 7.00pm
Are you pedantic? 🤷‍♂️🤔.
I couldn’t edit after posting it as I realised surname not correctly named. It’s MC Kinley.
Also I couldn’t delete f in last sentence due to this blog doesn’t allow me to edit anf correct the mistakes.

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It’s not only that Noel Treanor is out of his depth. He is surrounded by people who care more about mbe’s than they do their parishioners

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In the vocations videos referenced at the top of the comments Noel is very stiff and cold as ice. He looks, sounds and acts like his mentor and promoter, Joe Duffy of Clogher.

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I watched the Scorsese movie “The Irishman,” and I thought who is this jackass they found to play a priest (for a brief baptism scene) who can’t pronounce Latin (truly atrocious reading of the ritual).

After research, I learned it’s…James Martin SJ.

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5.49
There’s no agreement on how classical or medieval ecclesiastical Latin was pronounced. Ergo, your premise is false.

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Thanks, Pat, I think it’s more multicultural now, though probably still not many Protestants there (but probably as many as the number of RCs on the Shankill Road).

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It sounds like a RC wet dream – total monoculture albeit the fly in the ointment of Pat Buckley 😂

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The presumably Afro-Caribbean squaddie seems unbothered in his interaction with +Pat. +Pat seems to have done in his bit, and more, in a difficult time and place. However, a priest in the seventies benefitted from decades, even centuries of accumulated social capital, which has been frittered away for nothing. This meant vocations and an understanding attitude. Nowadays, even with peace, the Church there is dying (leaving aside the high male suicide rate in working class areas). It’s on its deathbed down south, and it’s dead in much of Western Europe. The New Pentecost has been a marvel. Francis bashing a tiny cohort of trads won’t help one bit. The saying ‘beatings will continue until morale improves’ is a sardonic joke, not a guide to action.

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The collar can have an extraordinary power, draining a tense situation of tension, at times allowing a priest to comfort a man dying in the midst of riot and to console a community. The photos are extraordinary. God bless you.

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6.04
Your name is as ironic as your comment is cynical.
What you characterise as bashing is simply false.
Abrogating a form of a rite which has been replaced is the historical and proper way to manage doctrinal, sacramental and liturgical development. In the aftermath of the Reformation, the fact that little or no change took place between Pius V and Paul VI was an unnatural freezing of change and evolution. Summorum pontificum has already been shown up as a serious misjudgement and a mistake. Expressions like bashing have no currency in this context.

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The entire history of liturgy is not at issue, but rather Traditionis Custodis and the Responsa, which manages to even more shoddy than TC. It should be noted that the Roman Missal evolved extraordinary slowly with Pope St Gregory the Great making the last notable changes. St Pius X made some aggressive and ahistorical changes to the Breviary (now that old version was undoubtedly abrogated with its use forbidden in clear words), but there is no comparison to how trend chasing academics (some like Fr Bouyer, creator of EP2 bailed before the end) took the vague directions of Sacrosanctum Concilium (it was full of gaps and its understanding of ritual, like its idea of useless repetition) and rewrote everything. The whole lectionary got these anodyne pericopes, most of the ordinary was edited aggressively and nearly all propers were changed. St Paul VI did not abrogate the old Roman Rite. If he did, +Bugnini would not have granted so many indults. Perhaps Paul hoped the TLM would fade, which did and didn’t happen. The Cardinals who studied the topic in 1986 could find no evidence it was abrogated.
Anyhow there was no freeze. Quo Primum and the legislation which followed (see any old priestly missal) show thoughtful updating on rubrics, new Feasts, acceptance of change (say Urban VIII accepted that the Vulgate had displaced most of the Vetus Latina in the ordinary, contrary to Trent and the first printed Missal of 1477), and changes to the relative ranking of Feasts. There was no ‘unnatural freezing.’

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Presumably named after Quintus Aurelius Symmachus who defended Roman religion when the aristocracy caught on to the new-fangled Christianity. However he of course defended tradition and lawful authority, whereas the ‘Symmachus’ commenting here derides Catholic tradition and the church’s magisterium.

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7.10
What a travesty of fact and analysis from the first jejune sentence. As a single example, EPII is substantially the work of Hippolytus of Rome (third century).

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6:04 If your reference to the New Pentecost means Vatican 2 you are going to have to explain why Vatican 2 Catholicism is flourishing elsewhere in the world.

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The ‘look over here’ defence isn’t that strong. The near disappearance of Catholicism in Benelux and Germany is startling. ‘Look over there’ won’t suffice. The Gospel sees ‘neither Jew, Greek, nor gentile’ so its failure among Euros cannot be waved away by reference to, say Nigeria. Any place in the developing world with a Catholic population, particularly Latin America has seen collapse where Pentecostals and others made a define effort to convert Catholics. Catholicism is a minority faith in Brazil now and in every other country south of Mexico, Pentecostals and Evangelicals are an ever expanding force, a large minority. The soc jus gospel of far too many Latin American bishops hinders rather than helps, for while physical aid is nice, the Evangelical can be more helpful for practical, day to day morality, while aid comes and goes. It can be a difficult matter as some (even the anti-gay Pres of Brazil) can be both Catholic and Evangelical.
Catholicism of any stripe is handy in, say, northern Nigeria where survival is at issue. This was somewhat the issue in the north of Ireland, if survival is read as cultural and not physical survival – I don’t think Roy Mason et al. were plotting large scale atrocities in the midst of many small scale ones, but it was reasonable for a Catholic to feel under siege.
Anyhow, the strength in the developing world is not as certain as many think, whether statistics exaggerate or developing world Catholics do not have to the unique challenge provided by affluence and indifference. Other communities, say Moslems, seem also to see large scale defection to the religion of ‘none’ in the West. It needs also to be noted how the Latin Roman Rite proved no obstacle whether in West Africa or China (most of the Manchu customs like priests wearing hats on the altar were abolished in the 1920s). It is not definite that post V2 there was a notable increase in conversions. That V2 helped is not remotely proven.

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Ah thanks for a thoughtful reply, Symmachus, acknowledging Vatican 2 isn’t the problem. 👍

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1:17. Au contraire. It is most definitely everyone’s business. Treanor has set his diocese up as a registered charity and as a so called shepherd of Christ, this man should not be living it up whilst some of the sheep rely on food banks and soup kitchens. Incidentally , a very successful soup kitchen was being run from St Patrick’s until Herr O’Neill started asking for contributions to the church from the voluntary organisation running the kitchen. A percentage of all churches takings go to the bishop for the upkeep of his administration. By the way , the voluntary organisation left St Patrick’s, unable to deal anymore with field Marshall O’Neill

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It was a request for a modest contribution to the electricity, gas and heating bills in the parish property that was being used by the soup kitchen rent free.

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His Diabetes is too severe and he takes Hypo’s too often so the DVLA will not allow him

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Is it true that Cackle offered you a transfer to California? Why didn’t you take up the offer, Pat? Plenty of priests would love to swap dreary old NI for California.

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8:22. We, The owners of the parish, I.e the parishioners were more than happy for these costs to be absorbed by the parish. We would rather our pounds be spent on this worthy cause than be spent keeping Bishop Treanor in a palace on a four acre site. Fr oneills actions shamed us all and the sooner he goes the better. He has been a disaster for our parish. A complete and utter phoney and a disaster for this parish.

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All he does is fight with colleagues. Gets rid of new colleagues. McAleese is not a bit soft though and in him he has met his match. He’s very devious.

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How many homeless people could Treanor put up in the parish? And how rich is the pop idol O’Hagan? These two clowns are a stain on the RCC

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We don’t like them. You can’t call yourself a Catholic just like that. They think because they don’t have Irish accents they do a nice service but don’t understand St Thomas Aquinas said you had to do it badly to be Catholics. We’re not bitter, we just hate their guts.

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9:07. They are a complete joke. Treanor in a 4 acre site. Ohagan in a 3/4 bedroom detached house paid for by the diocese. Sadly they are not the only clowns running the diocese and living rent free off the backs of the people and when parishioners try to do something practical, they try to get money out of them. Isn’t that right Fr O’Neill at 8:22?😉

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