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BACK TO THE SCOTTISH GAY DAISY CHAIN.

FULL UNREDACTED LETTER SENT TO ALL THE SCOTTISH BISHOPS.

“Pat, for those doubting our honesty or the well known facts of the leaders of The Daisy Chain in Glasgow here are some further details that may convince them.

FATHER A has since early days of his priesthood been in a sexual relationship with Fr  of Paisley. FACT!​​ ​​

They and 5 other priests known as “the gay Glums” go on holiday to a villa in Italy each year owned by The Vatican. It is basically an orgy (including drugs) between them though some days and nights rent boys are present and on other occasions the group attend the local gay bars as they do when home in Glasgow, Edinburgh and Carlisle. FACT!

Father A has had sexual relations with, amongst others: Fr C, Mr D a local and Deacon E . FACT!

Fr A goes at night to Queen’s Park and is in there regularly at night with Fr F & less frequently with Mr D. FACT!

He and Fr F have been together but are not in any sort of commitment though do share men.

On three seperate occasions Fr A has been beaten up by rent boys at The Polo Lounge & Del Monica’s gay bars and was unable to say Mass for days after these beatings. FACT!

Fr A is HIV Positive, one of several Glasgow priests living with HIV. FACT! He is host of one of the daisy chain dinners. FACT! How do we know these things? We’ve seen it with our own eyes and been told it by members of the group.​

FR G has since his seminary days in Rome been in a same sex relationship with the late Canon Michael McCoy of Newcastle. FACT! Fr G tried on many occasions to help his lover Michael with his disposition to younger men. This year Canon Michael was arrested for child abuse of numerous boys and within days was found hanging. FACT!

Although Fr G tried to distance himself publicly and privately from Michael during those days between Michaels arrest and suicide he is still distraught over his loss and was one of the few people at the funeral held in private where he was inconsolable. FACT!

Both of their families know it, diocesan clergy know it and people in Rome where Fr G worked know it. FACT!

After Michael hung himself Fr G should have resigned as he was compromised. The clergy are angry he didn’t resign and now have no respect for him. FACT!

He is lazy and lacking vision, all the qualities required for a Scottish bishop. He has been a terrible Pastor in all the parishes he’s served in where people find him heartless and unapproachable & a bit of a laughing stock. FACT!

Fr G has also historically been reported to Archbishop Conti for same sex relations with Mr H a teacher and deacon . FACT!

Father G is host of one of The Daisy Chain dinners. FACT! How do we know these things? We’ve seen it with our own eyes and been told it by members of the group.​

Fr I engaged in a sexual relationship at seminary with Deacon E – a relationship that was very noisy and violent. FACT!

Upon his first curacy he got involved in a sexual relationship with the local Mr D, which caused terrible scandal in the parish. FACT!

Fr I  was barred from the Mr D’s family home by Mrs D. They also went on overnights and long weekends together in the name of Mr D’s business. FACT!

One night Fr I was coming home from St Helen’s, Langside, where Dravon lwas living with Fr B having been thrown out of seminary. Instead of walking home Fr I, having consumed a full bottle of vodka, proceeded to drive home and only 300 yards from the parochial house forgot about the round about which he mounted and got stuck on. FACT!

By sheer coincidence only minutes later Strathclydes finest appeared and arrested him. FACT! He was detained overnight at Aitkenhead Road Police Station before appearing in court in the morning. FACT!

Within a month he was swapped with another naughty and horny priest. FACT!

In his next curacy and thereafter as Parish Priest Fr I has embarrassed himself and the collar by attending parish and school events as well as family homes very, very drunk. FACT!

In his role as ——- pin the diocese he attended a Head Teachers national conference and had to be taken to his room by female head teachers as the males refused to help him due to his vulgar tongue all night. FACT!l

Head Teachers complained to useless Tartaglia and asked for Fr I to be removed but his former rector protected him once again. FACT!

He continues to engage in a sexual relationship with Seacon E  amongst many others. FACT! He unashamedly attends gay bars in Glasgow and attends liturgical and social events in his current parish constantly drunk making all sorts of disgusting remarks about men and boys. FACT!

Fr I is host of one of The Daisy Chain dinners. FACT! How do we know these things? We’ve seen it with our own eyes and been told it by members of the group.​

We are frankly astounded by Bishop Toal disregard for all we (& many others independent of us) have told him (& shown him) in opposition to Deacon E being returned to seminary as well as his ordination to diaconate and priesthood, details of which appear in the latest pastoral letter. Toal is a fool who only listens to Fr J.  Toal is in full knowledge of Deacon E’s behavior and victims (lay & clerical) some of whom have spoken or written to Toal. There will be more scandals and more victims. He is a very dangerous, deviant, perverted and disturbed individual. He is out to ruin people, he does not take no for an answer!!! He is not only immoral but has been protected by The Daisy Chain from safeguarding and the law for which he has no regard. His casualties and victims both within and outside the seminary and church are well into double figures. Some left the seminary and fled the country whilst others left the seminary and the faith never to return. Some of our young priests in Motherwell are very worried for themselves if he’s ordained. These young men were physically, emotionally and sexually damaged by him and still bare the scars. Whilst we might not share their ecclesiology or love of TLM we are their brothers and as humans and Christian’s we fear for their health and ministry, some of them are fine young priests and men – hard working but with Feet of Clay. E may very well be the straw that breaks the camels back for some priests in terms of their ministry and also their relationship with the bishop and diocese; it will certainly divide and destroy the Presbyterate. Toal is arrogant in his attitude on this matter. What we wonder does E have on him or others. The church will never learn or change. The people must hold back their money.

PRIESTS OF GLASGOW, PAISLEY AND MOTHERWELL”.

PAT SAYS

The state of the Scottish Roman Catholic priesthood is abysmal.

And the Scottish bishops are doing nothing about it.

They either don’t care.

Or they are compromised and part of the problem.

The Church of Christ is being destroyed by the senior and junior clergy.

161 replies on “BACK TO THE SCOTTISH GAY DAISY CHAIN.”

Well done, Pat. Besides the child abuse you have probably done more than anyone or anything to bring the church into disrepute and nobody can claim they don’t know what it’s like.
The clergy named here actually sound like a lot of clergy and judging by their foul mouths, likely comment here.

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In relation to Deacon E
At ordination, the canditate is prsented to the Bishop using the following formula
Someone from the seminary: Most Reverend Father, holy mother Church asks you to ordain this man, our brother, for service as a priest.
Bishop: Do you judge him to be worthy?
Someone from the seminary: : After inquiry among the people of Christ and upon recommendation of those concerned with his training, I testify that he has been found worthy.
Bishop: We rely on the help of the Lord God and our Saviour Jesus Christ, and we choose this man, our brother, for priesthood in the presbyteral order.
All: Thanks be to God.
Surely at this point one of the many people who are aware of the Facts can intervene as a “person of Christ” and say the canditate is not worthy??? Or perhaps thats too simplistic for an overly complicated Church. This letter to the Scottish Bishops forms part of that inquiry and perhaps maybe enough to stop the ceremony.

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Excellent points, 11.47pm, however it won’t happen. Bishops ignored requests not to ordain Sean Jones, Alex Ballenzela, Stephen Wilson, Christopher Butler (the civil partner widower in Leeds) and doubtless others, but they won’t listen. At Chris Butler’s ordination, Bishop Stock denounced those who had commented on his suitability. The line about enquiring among the people of Christ is pure fiction.

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Pat, if even two paragraphs of this letter are true, then there are very serious problems to be addressed by the Bishop. The letter is not well written, a little confusing but paints a very sordid reality about the reckless, dangerous, irresponsible moral debauchery in place. Many will be emotionally and spiritually ruined, many compromised if a response is not given to this alleged perverted behaviour. It is all like the time of Sodom and Gomorrah. I am appalled at the seeming extent of this rottenness. The devout and faithful priests must stand up and be heard. Now.

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Just putting “FACT” at the end of each unsubstantiated claim doesn’t make it a fact; unless things have changed since I went to school! If these claims have any truth to them then that’s scandalous, but until then this is just salacious scandal mongering.

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Well my wife and I are in a parish o the southside of Glasgow and we worked out who some of the priests and who the businessman and his wife are.
The whole thing is a stinking cesspit.
The one thing my wife and her friends are asking is why is MrS D still there?

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Pat there is a profound BBC1 drama at present called ‘Four Lives’. The Grindr killer and how he murdered and drugged four gay men. It is heartbreaking. The most appalling part is the attitude and dismissive attitude of the Police who have since given an apology. The victims where misjudged as drug users who overdosed with somone else to blame. That is the sad reality.

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It is indeed a concerning reflection of the reality of much policing in England. I cannot speak of elsewhere but now have 30+ years public sector environmental health employment with regular involvement with different police forces. What the “Four Lives” programme shows is of course an extreme example, but nevertheless exposes a pervasive theme of police incompetence.
I can say, from personal experience, that invariably it’s only when I deal with inspectors and above that there is a semblance of coherent abilities, although in general there’s a greater level of competence in the more rural policing at all levels.

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The Met have finally referred themselves to the watchdog because their officers let parties go on at Downing Street and then the force claimed not to investigate crime retrospectively. They couldn’t be trusted to run a hot dog stand.

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Well there is similar happening at the minute, only the Grindr bike hops from priest to priest and drains as much money out of them before moving on to the next one

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Just watched the excellent drama Anne on ITV about what happened at Hillsborough and the police failures. What’s an apology when the damage is done?

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1.00
You must be able to work out who he is talking about with his accusations.
The names are withheld due to lack of evidence.

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Because it is a personnel matter and the business only of those concerned and their Ordinary (assuming that the allegations are true).

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He was being ‘investigated’ by the police. They don’t investigate somebody without a view to them being charged. I think he probably would have found himself subject to charge and trial. He will have been under considerable personal pressure. However, suicide is the ultimate selfishness, not least to the family and friends he has left shocked, bemused and grieving. Being charged and tried and found guilty would have been kinder to them than his suicide. Sorry, sounds very harsh, I know, but suicide solves nothing. It just adds a more painful layer to an already incredibly painful situation. One which will not go away. Remember, also, the alleged victims and how this adds to their confusion, pain and hurt. I wish he hadn’t killed himself.

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9.34: Your comment is fine except for your assertion that “suicide is the ultimate selfishness..”. Having officiated at many funerals of people who took their lives and known some of them personally, to make such a statement is arrogant, offensive and very hurtful. People take their lives for a myriad of reasons. It is never done to hurt others. It is often the only choice some feel they have to take them out of emitional and mental torture. It may be that life, for whatever reason, is unbearable. There are layers of reasons as to why someone may take their lives but to simplify a motivation by the usage of the words “ultimate selfishness” is indicative of those who are unlearned about the reality of suicide. I hope you’re not a cleric or a counsellor. Your attitude would only deepen the pain, grief and long time anguish of those in grief. The many people whose funerals I officiated at – some being friends – were the kindest, most caring, generous people I have known. God rest their good souls and bless and comfort all who grieve because of the death of a lived by suicide. We must each be veey careful and sensituve with oeoole who are fragile and vulberable. Harsh judgments and wrong wirds can bring or push someone close to the cliff edge.

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I am sure the police investigate many people and find there is no reason or no evidence to justify charging them.
The point I and another poster have made is the if the accusers have been sloppy about their research on one part of the story, doubts arise about the credibility of all of it.

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I met McCoy at a School Chaplains conference around 20 years ago. I have known three other priests who took their lives – Michael Raiswell, Shrewsbury, Sean Farrell, Birmingham, and Muredach Tuffy, Killala. All very sad.

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Be a good person, but don’t waste your time proving it. – Unknown
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. . . Be a good Christian, but don’t waste your time proving it by the way you live your life or the way you treat others. – Unknown
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Don’t worry about others or their feelings; put only yourself first. Use people as doormats and trod all over them, when you do, you’ll feel on top of the world and have cleaner carpets. – Unknown
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Why have you not investigated Daisy Chain NI? Rory has maintained a tight lip but he is the one who broke away and was threatening to disband it.

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Those who leave seminary go to live with priests, because they had been talked out of their property earlier. BY WHOM? Can they be made to give it them back?

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Totally not true. You aren’t talked out of property. The real reason they go to live with priests is anal sex

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“You aren’t talked out of property. The real reason they go to live with priests is anal sex”

First part of that argument: some aren’t talked out of property, you are right to that extent. Of either or both groups, the rest of your statement is – from reports – a motive amongst a number.

Two persons not connected with a VD or seminary should be seen to help the prospective seminarian establish the position of his livelihood and his property, to his own satisfaction, in order to widen obvious options and lessen the occurrence of difficulties.

God doesn’t give brownie points to sentimentalists about religion, who are indistinguishable from sentimentalists about anything else. Realism about their role is needed.

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It is not a FACT that Canon McCoy was arrested. The report of his death says this:
“ It is understood the police investigation was only in its early stages when Canon McCoy was found dead at a property in Newcastle.
His death is not being treated as suspicious and a report has been prepared for the coroner.
It is understood Canon McCoy was not interviewed or arrested by officers in relation to the alleged abuse.
A Northumbria Police spokeswoman said: “We can confirm we received concerns about a named individual and enquiries were ongoing to establish if any criminal offences had been committed.
The man had not been arrested or interviewed under caution but on April 10 we received a report he had been found deceased at an address in Newcastle.“ “
Given that you didn’t check your facts here, why should people trust your accuracy in the rest of what you say?

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You are right, Pat. The Church of Christ is being destroyed by senior and junior clergy. In my view this is far worse than corruption. People must stop funding this farce.

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A few members of Daisy Chain NI are in the Canary Islands considering their next move, will not take a genius to work out who you are now

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Can you please tell us how long it is since the letter was sent to the Scottish Bishops? Have they been given a deadline for responding or taking action? As a lay person in Scotland I would be interested in how long we might have to wait for a denial or for disciplinary action being taken. They are surely going to have to at least admit publicly that allegations have been made.

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9.25
This guy is accusing the Scottish Bishops of massive cover up’s with Senior clergy so it is a case for the Papal Nuncio and Cardinal Parolin.
The Bishops have asked a QC to have a look at these alleged allegations that only appear on your blog.
With No disrespect for Father’s but this is Canon’s who the Bishop appoint and Monsignor are approved by the Holy father.

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12:24
I think you’ll find the blog today says this has been sent to the bishops.

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The state of the church in general is abysmal. They have no one to blame for this other than themselves

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What a crowd of bishops in that picture ! They just so self-satisfied, but they are completely irrelevant and out of their depths. The stuff in the narrative is going on underneath their noses. They probably don’t even comprehend it, or don’t want to see it. They are certainly incapable of reacting to it in any constructive and decisive fashion. The barque is sinking beneath them, and they are just hoping that they will have moved on in to genteel retirement or death before the water reaches their ears. As for the pathetic shenanigans of priests and seminarian described in the narrative, as one commentator said, even if one line was true, then there is a real problem in the clerical ranks. Mind you, we know that already, don’t we ?!

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Pat I think you should name and shame the priests that were in a long term relationship and who have now fallen out and broken up

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10:58 Among the holy priests of course. Just like they know about kiddy fiddling, financial corruption, bullying, and all sorts of other iniquities and just keep schtum.

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12:09: As I suspected. However, I believe the vast majority of those funding this charade, i.e. the sheeple, have no idea of the variety or extent of these kinds of iniquities among clergy. Clerical schtum keeping, for whatever reasons, is a big part of the problem.

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Among clergy men alike. They have been an item for a number of years but have went their separate ways. It’s the same for a few priests who have girlfriends.

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BISHOP PAT,
Well done on this exposure,
You have spoke about similar elsewhere, such as cloyne, which you described as the worst in Ireland for the practice of homosexuality amoung the clergy,
PLEASE EXPOSE THESE HYPOCRITICAL PRIESTS like you are doing in Scotland.
IF YOU HAVE ANY INFO ON CLOYNE PRIESTS, PASS IT ON TO BISHOP PAT

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Wasn't Despard saying pretty much the same thing ? Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....says:

I think Despard was hinting / suggesting / exposing pretty much the same clerical culture when he wrote his book almost 10 years ago. Not much has changed, it seems. Look what happened to him. A real abuse by a bishop of one of his priests who was probably too honest and open about what he saw around him for his own good. Sadly.

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Anon at 10.53am

I felt sorry for that priest Despard who felt that he did the right thing. But still he was punished or left languishing in some obscure parish that I don’t know.
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Its 7 years now.
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Is there any way that Bishop Toal be reported over his head to the vatican aka curia?

I recall that there was a priest or Bishop who was ex lover of KOB, still alive now(?) and around somewhere in Scotland.
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Nothing was done to expose him and why 🤷‍♂️

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There you go again deaf geezer @ 11.24am when you state yet again “I don’t know”. You yap on as if you do know. Nothing wrong with your tongue is there??

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11:52 Unlike you, most people don’t type with their tongue. Don’t bother replying, it would mean taking your tongue off the window.

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Pat

All of that is Factual. Ask anyone you know here in Scotland. None of it malicious nor made up. People make mistakes but these people make a living of this wreck less, unchristian & unpriestly way of life. We are sick of it. Don’t give up Pat. Be assured of our prayers

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I live in Glasgow, attend my parish church, have mostly Catholic friends and had never heard or suspected any of this until the Catholic Truth Newsletter reported it in November. I mix with a few people who I think would probably pass the information on to friends if they knew of it. I think that if and when this really does become public knowledge, it will be a great shock to most Scottish Catholics.

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Scots Lass
It’s naive fools like you the church depends on.
Incidentally I’m a Nigerian prince and need to get money out of the country. But I need funds up front to do this and if you leave your details it will help greatly.

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There is only one Scottish priest reporting this not the plural. He has a major agenda and using Buckley.

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11.16: I agree with you. The writer has a very impoverished grasp of English and a very poor standard of expression. He needs to go back to school. He also needs to stop relying on gossip and hearsay. He need to courageously validate all allegations. Otherwise he should shut up.

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Yea; it all comes down to education or lack of schooling as a yardstick in determining….what exactly? Uncle Ted must have been a total complete and utter ignoramus.

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As we still have a few clerical experts on the GGs around Ireland, would anyone on here have a good tip for the next race at Fairyhouse or info on any promising Indian blood stock worth a punt or two?

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Bileen’s friend, Pat Crean-Lynch, of the famous Kerry diocese, is a great man for the horses. He might give you a tip.

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11.59am
As fine a gentleman in the priesthood, there is not. A Gentleman . A very decent human being. To the grammatical police…this is not an open university!!!! Etymology please.

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Twas Eamonn Martin himself or one of his offsiders who posted on this blog that I was responsible for the suggestion of Pat C.L for Dublin. That was on the back of a windup for my own purposes that I left on an answering machine….which must have been relayed to E.M….. I had nothing to do with same….but shows the power that Eamonn Martin attaches and dreads to and with this Blog. Amen.

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I agree, William, about PCL. He was one of the nicest people in Maynooth and a holy, humble gentleman.

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DG
Bishop Toal is in dialogue with the Vatican about c/o clergy and Father Despard is not too well and therefore not suitable for a parish.
Do not feel sorry from Matthew as he made a fortune with his best seller on Amazon that the courts removed.

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How could he have made a fortune on a book that was removed soon after
publication?

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1:11 It was the merchandise. The range of butt plugs with Pope Benedict on were especially popular.

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12:27,
Father Despard said: ‘I noticed it was no longer for sale on Amazon and have been in touch to ask them why. I am awaiting their response and I don’t know anything more about it.’
Amazon said: ‘This book is not available on Amazon.co.uk. All titles must adhere to our content guidelines’ that include a prohibition on pornography, offensive material and ‘items that infringe upon a person’s privacy.’
12:27, are you telling the full story about the removal of the book??

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I have just downloaded a pirated copy. It’s out there if you know where to look.

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Seamus vIII
It was on Amazon Kindle you had to download it.
The book was filth full of false allegations with No back up.
It was the number one seller for weeks that is how they took him to court for deformation of character but the money was all gone and they got No money.
Bill Lamb and Bill Nolan took Despard to court to get him out of the Church property of the Dioceses of Motherwell but they failed at the start as it was not their property as parishes belong to the people so because Bill Lamb was in Blantyre it went through the courts to give the parish back to the people.
The reason Toal has not shut Saint John Ogilvie’s is it belongs to the people however last week he made Blantyre one large parish with two Churches.
The book was pulled because a lot of people from now late Archbishop to clergy.
Toal is cold and ruthless only cares about himself so if there were any truth about the current Deacon he would be well gone but sadly it seems it is someone in Love with the Deacon.
Let us hope Evan comes forward before Keenan is appointed to Glasgow for Lent it seem now but will be announced this month.

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@12:11pm
DG, those sarcastic clerical types don’t like being questioned or made accountable.
Off topic; I’m curious to know if a new chairperson has been appointed to the board of Towards Healing- the supposedly independent organization providing professional support for people who have experienced institutional, clerical or religious abuse in Ireland- which claims to be completely independent of the church in relation to its policies and procedures and the manner in which the service is provided, yet it’s board of management is top heavy with priests and religious. So much for independent. One to watch, DG.

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Deaf Guy @ 12.11pm
I was horrified when I read the comment of Anonymous @ 11.52am and it should not have been put on Bishop Pat’s blog. You deserve an Apology which I don’t think t u will get from someone capable of using those hurtful words.

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I was not going to reply to this today as I will be accused of having shares in the postal system.
I am a GAY man and go to the pubs and in them regular Del’s aka Delmonica’s and like most clergy mention a bit old for Polo.
So as a Roman Catholic I know ALL the alleged names from the above and some of them work in Curia’s and that is a worry.
In Scotland the law is that accusation MUST be corroborated and sadly NONE of the Clergy has had any correspondence and they say the first they hear of it is on this blog so the only evidence seems to be this ex lover and Bishop Pat.
You will understand that The Papal Nuncio is NOT compromised not the Congregation of Clergy or Bishops.
The Fr A, B C and so on cannot answer however I will correct the false accusations unless the ex lover comes forward as he is gunning for innocent Clergy because the deacon of Motherwell jilted him.
NO ONE is doubting the FACTS but you need to come forward and at least have the respect and let the clergy know who you are saying you reported.
You are out of date or just not being honest the alleged Father A is a Monsignor and the Fr of Paisley is a Canon and if it were TRUE they would be suspended and Pope Francis would remove the Monsignor title.
The “Gay Glums” are clergy all who went through Seminary together and friends are allowed to go on holiday.
I have asked Stefan Kings Security (Dels & Polo) about your accusations only half an hour ago and they certainly do not back your story up as they would have called the Police.
See your constant WEVE seen it with your own eyes well the Papal Nuncio would like to appoint Archbishop Cushley to hold a full investigation but he cannot go with one guys words so ALL please come forward.
Fr G is the Diocesan Administrator and may become an Auxiliary or be appointed to Paisley however he says it is NOT true and he would resign at least from Administrator.
The people of Govanhill and Crosshill love their Parish priest as for serving in many parishes he has mostly been an Administrator for the Church in Scotland.
Your accusation about Archbishop Emeritus Mario Conti is not accurate remember the Chancellor opens ALL mail sent to Clyde Street and your imply Fr A is he.
Bishop Toal is NO fool ask yourself why Monsignor Millar is c/o within months after his big send off.
All the Church asks is JUSTICE which this blog does not give so can you let the Clergy you are accusing and at least send it all to the Papal Nuncio nuntius@globalnet.co.uk
You really need phycology help and you should have been offered it.

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“All the Church asks is JUSTICE…”
No it doesn’t . Ask survivors of Church abuse.
Are you paid by the Church to be the hierarchies spokesperson to this blog ?

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GAY man at 12.14 – for somebody who goes to the gay bars regularly, you’re very up to speed with all the church stuff too – a confidante of nuncios and archbishops also! Who is feeding you? or are you more than just a regular ….?

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1.10pm
When will “man” be prefaced with ” straight” as well ? The success of religions of The Book.

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1.10
The Nuncio is here in Scotland next Thursday for Archbishop Philip’s years mind Mass (t is a thing Catholics do) so hopefully on the Friday he will announce the New Archbishop.
The Nuncio’s is on Annual Leave till Monday then he will pick up any mail that has arrived or maybe this group of Priests will take up his offer to meet them.
Nothing beats a good pint of Tennets lager.

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Ah, Jim S back on form and as deluded as ever. I think you’ll find the church says homosexual orientation is objectively disordered and the gay culture inappropriate for both clergy and laity.

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1.16
…..and they burned and drowned witches too……..never on their own in barbarity…..whether its the Chinese right now or Nazi Germany……its genetic….barbarity, sexuality, kindness…..and God is stitched into the equation as well.

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Cant remeberer who first said it but; “The universe at its very essence is a set of chemical equations.” Religion is always playing catchup……..there is a gene for criminal behaviour however unfortunate….chemical difference between anyone in prison and anyone not….

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1.59
except of course for the many innocent incarcerated to suit others….police, the rich. etc….

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As usual with a Jim S. comment, I am more confused after reading it than I was when I started.

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1.16

Have you ever been in a cathedral sacristy before an episcopal event ?? Lol

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Mr Mulvihill,
Yes actually I have!
Please don’t take my quoting the church’s teaching at Jim S as any indication that I believe any of it myself. In fact I am so far gone from Holy mother church it’s barely visible in the rear view mirror! I do however believe that just common human decency means you can’t both be a practicing Catholic and out on the scene. If I point that out, it is merely to highlight the contradiction and hopefully make it conscious for him.
Kiss kiss darling.

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12.14: You make some very important points. They need careful analysing. Despite the reality of some immoral behaviours there are far too many innuendos in this very badly written letter by “priests” of various places. Many accusations need truthful and reliable corroborating. While TRUTH is absolutely relevant we cannot throw names about so indiscriminately. The sadness is that many who make accusations are hiding behind this blog and are cowards. The above letter is so poorly written that it is difficult to discern if any authentic or concerned group of “priests” wrote it. There is TRUTH but there can also be LIES.

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12.14
Thank You for your compliment.
I make no apology if this now alleged group of Priests would come forward then the issues can be addressed.
I spoke to father G earlier and he has been advised not to comment even although he is saying it is not true and he has had NO correspondence from this group of clergy either to his parish or office.
The current Papal Nuncio has stated there is NO place for ANY Clergy or Bishops not abiding the rule of Celibacy and therefore should leave the Sacred Priesthood.
Archbishop Gugerotti is assure anonymity to this group of clergy if they come forward.
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To the priest who wrote this: just a little hint on style. People describing facts don’t need to keep saying that they are facts. If you got rid of the habit of ending every sentence with fact (as you also do in your comments here) it would give less of an impression that you are trying to persuade someone of something which is false.

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As stated before: the RCC is in a mess of its own making. Instead of rooting out the clergy who are living a double life, the hierarchy continue to bury their heads in the sand. One has to ask why this is. Are members of the hierarchy compromised as well, do they even care and do they hope by remaining silent this will all go away? It won’t. Or do the hierarchy realise that a purge would further shatter confidence in a failing church and ultimately affect their income. Whatever way one looks at it these phoney priests are doing nothing to further the gospel of Jesus Christ. Nor are their bishops/cardinals who remain silent and allow these things to pass. I can only come to the conclusion that the RCC is more interested in control of the faithful and ensuring that their coffers continue to be filled

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The Scottish Sun would be delighted to run this magnicent story.
More so now we have criminality involved and if dates and times can be established then the Sun will ask Police Scotland if there is an investigation.

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Polar opposites….from the same diocese and from the same time: if ever there was an opposite to gentleman and kind; that shit Donal O Neill, who like many the dean in Maynooth, did their dirty work for them, thought when he realised they were never going to recognise his greatness , he left: though they stitched his mouth up with a Bon Suck chaplaincy.

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Bishop Pat, I have noticed a common thread running through your blog in recent times which dispels any chance of promiscuous clergy. I want to disband this pedalled nonsense and assure any man or woman that wants to disagree, that there are a number of clergy in Northern Ireland active in their areas. It would be wrong to name on this forum. However, these priests are to a degree adored and protected and unfortunately are unlikely to be reprimanded. Certainly not be the Church under its current leadership in Ireland.

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If all the clergy feel that what has been written here is false then there is a simple remedy. Go to court. Thought not!

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Rumple this is Not relevant. This would be a civil matter not criminal. Where did you get your legal training ?
Thought not!

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Unlike you not from ITV. Good God, you’ll be bashing a gavel soon and resting your case.

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Is WWIII starting above in Kazakhstan and Ukraine/Russia? Has Mr Bergoglio brought about the Great Chastisement through his worship of Pachamama in St Peter’s Basilica? If so, strange goings on in Scotland are the least of our worries.

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A considerable number of videos from Kazakhstan have been uploaded to
www. brandnewtube.com over the last few hours. They can be viewed under
the latest videos section on the sidebar. Looks like a citizens revolution.

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‘Has Mr Bergoglio brought about the Great Chastisement through his worship of Pachamama in St Peter’s Basilica?’
Barmy.

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At the start of the academic year there were 26(!) resident seminarians in Gaynooth. Christmas was often the point at which sems left or were booted out. Does anyone know how many have cut already and how many of the 26 are left?

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I am a parishioner of Armagh diocese and I think this is terrible. We have such a wonderful crop of quite youthful leaders who are an example and inspiration to many. Perhaps we should examine our own selves more…

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In CTS newsletter dated November 2021, they said 3 bishops are implicated re sexually active. But this blog published it before that newsletter came out.

Which 3 bishops, who it might be? A guessing game 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

We note that there are currently 8 bishops to date in braveheart country.

In mathematical terms, it gives us a percentage rate of 37.5%. So in another words, it’s little bit more than 1/3 to infer that bishops more likely to be sexually active. That’s a massive rate, neatly almost 40%.

So does it mean that 37.5% of all irish bishops to date are sexually active, as it depends differently from one country to another.???

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It’s hilarious that anyone here should quote anything emanating from the godforsaken “Catholic Truth” . Clearly their hatred , bile and posts form unhinged liars is the opposite of Catholic and Truth.
Their Scottish Editor’s obsession with the First Minister of Scotland is something for a patient / clinician discussion, but it’s not remotely related to Christianity as are 95 % of their articles which loyally pulp out their funders’ bile ridden Trumpist / New Nazi/ Tory pulp telling us that Covid doesn’t exist etc, Trump won his last election. God forgive them, they even try to dump white USA racism on us.
For some reason they have a problem with Scotland becoming a nation again and reduce themselves to recycling muck normally seen on Orange / UVF websites despite the Tories being repeatedly thrashed in Scottish elections..
Scottish Media has already covered their QAnon type fantasies so it’s unlikely going to give much coverage to a piece with no name clerics in an age where homophobia is a pastime of the repressed unhinged and the sexuality of priests is common knowledge.

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You were one of the most extreme contributors to Catholic Truth for many years, Petrus, and many people’s reputations suffered as a result on your posts. What happened to bring on this conversion?

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We all change. Catholic Truth changed – focus is now Covid conspiracy and US politics.

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12.59 – Thanks for tip about Fr Crean Lynch – his church pew – don’t think it was ever found that time.

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And Petrus – now you are a grown up – what will you do to right the damage and hurt you caused to individuals and the scandal you perpetuated among the people? Shame on you !

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There is a Petrus who used to write for Catholic Truth Scotland who, back in April 2017, criticised an ecumenical Good Friday prayer walk in Paisley for Cancer Victims. Seriously. Not sure if this is the same person?

The same blogger also published an exchange with a priest on CTS where he urged the priest not to give gay people communion. The priest, rightly, asked him “what do you want me to do, publicly humiliate people approaching for communion?”

Perhaps also the same person used to write letters into the Scottish Catholic Observer criticising Bishop Keenan for talking about the Papal Encyclical Amoris Laetitia with our mentioning Same Sex Marriage, Cohabitating Couples, Divorcees, Contraception etc.

Maybe the same guy who used to write endless letters of complaint and made it his mission in life to make endless complaints about people on social media.

It would be ironic if this person is now trying to keep a low profile and backtrack from his previous behaviour, perhaps because it may affect his career? Possibly, he doesn’t want work colleagues finding out about his former views, or he has changed his own lifestyle, who knows.

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Petrus at 11.06,

A course of action that you did not permit others, preferring to publicly shame them. Never mind, the judgement you give …..

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One thing I will say is that everything reported in Catholic Truth is first raised privately with the individual, then raised with their superior and only as a last resort reported publicly. I have no qualms with this. Public figures, including priests, bishops and popes have to expect scrutiny when they betray their vocation. My conscience is clear on this.

The organisation has taken a very different direction in last few years, focusing on vendetta’s against individual Traditional priests, Covid and American politics. I cannot support this. However, that does not undo the good done in the past which I completely stand by.

Now, it is very easy to post as “anonymous”. If you have any more issues with me, Pat Buckley is welcome to provide you with my email address. Feel free to contact me privately.

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I absolutely agree with you about the change in CT. I didn’t always agree with everything, but their support for Donald Trump put them beyond the pale as far as I was concerned. With that and their COVID denial, they should at least clarify that they are expressing personal opinions, unconnected with Catholicism.

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Wondering if this is the same person – petrus isnt such a disguised moniker! The hurt done and upset caused, the judgemental behaviour and general dimunition of many good, honest struggling people. Disgusting. And the catechism of Trent has long been replaced – or maybe you don’t like the work of Cardinals Law & Ratzinger either. Hiding begind the internal forum! Ha! Give us a break! Or is John at 12.14 right – you looking for a promo is that it? Sickening …..

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@3.50pm

You’ve got a lot of time on your hands if that’s what you spend time wondering !

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Petrus – you are being a tad disingenuous. I can remember when dissenters were allowed to have their say on CT, but were met with a barrage of ad hominem attacks from the denizens of CT, yourself included. These were not public figures, but Catholics alarmed at the poisonous attacks carried out by you and your friends on innocent people.
You seemed to have a strange infatuation with Miss McKeever, as I remember, even calling on of your children after her.
Are you still an anti-vaxxer? I checked you Twitter feed, and see that you posted that, “Statistics from Public Health Scotland show that the vaccine doesn’t work.” This shows how deluded and dangerous you still are.

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Could you please address the points I made?
Do you have any remorse for your poisonous attacks while on CT?
What evidence do you have that the vaccine doesn’t work, when all evidence points to the fact that it does?

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As I said, please email Pat Buckley and ask for me email address if you wish to discuss this further. I give him permission to provide it.

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Tough guy talk from this particular Petrus, I’m assuming it’s not the same softly spoken, camp and quite effeminate chap in those CTS YouTube videos attacking ecumenism, which have now been removed. I actually thought it was Christopher Biggins at first. I wonder where they filmed it, from inside a closet perhaps.

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I am sceptical that the claims made in the letter are true. I have lived in Glasgow for over a decade and in my experience with local clergy, they are often homophobic, repressed, and rigid, which are all symptoms of psychosexual and emotional immaturity. I suspect that many of them have never admitted their homosexuality to anyone else, and some of them will never have even admitted it to themselves. They choose not to know.
Their sexuality manifests itself in dressing up and showing off in pompous liturgies and forming little secret clubs and societies. They have a vicarious sexuality whereby they project their repressed sexuality onto others, by accusing others of salacious behaviour, or at least the imagine that others are engaged in licentious behaviours. I believe that this is the psychological origin of many of these dirty rumours. I met a monk who claimed that gay men were coming on to him. I knew it was delusional nonsense, because he was not at all good looking. He was projecting.
I stay very far away from these men, because they are exactly the kind of person to misinterpret innocent behaviour and make false allegations. They are paranoid and delusional. They are suffering from a sexual psychosis, which is what happens when you hide from the reality of your sexuality. Psychosexually they are 13 year olds. I don’t believe they are capable of normal adult consensual sexual relations with other adults. It does not make sense that they would go to orgies or gay clubs, which are public and exposed places. They only act out sexually in secrecy, or else they act out vicariously, for example, by spreading malicious rumours, by becoming conversion (a.k.a. reparative) therapy counsellors. Some others spend much time on the internet engaged in Catholic polemic.
The targets of their false accusations tend to be men who are more pious, more intelligent, and better looking than them, and who have superior social skills. These men are often victims are immense envy and jealousy. If such men are known to be homosexual, this fact will be used against them. I strongly advise such men to stay far away from seminaries, because you will be mentally tortured. Those who made it through seminary will eventually be driven out of the priesthood.
I am very good at detecting a closet case. They are snobbish and elitist. They wear overly formal, outmoded and unstylish clothing, usually found in charity shops, and they are particularly fond of tweed, corduroy etc. They are geeks. Those of them who marry women usually go for naive, submissive, frumpy women who make good home makers, and who won’t be particularly demanding in the bedroom. The priority for such women is that they have a man who will give them lots of children and they aren’t particularly bothered if their husband isn’t sexually attracted to them.
The closet cases never invite me to their secret societies and choirs and scholas, even though I have linguistic, musical and aesthetic talents. In fact, they make a special effort to ensure I am out of the loop. I stay away from the Latin Mass these days, because the closet cases make it unbearable. The closet cases are terrified of me and cannot stand to be around me, and this is because I know what I am and I am not frightened of what I am. I am a homosexual man.

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I don’t think you are being completely fair. I have been attending Mass at the SSPX for 13 years and I don’t recognise any of what you describe. It may be true of some Latin Mass communities, it’s not true of the SSPX.
Anyway, the vast majority of the priests implicated in this gossip filled letter are priests who celebrate the Novus Ordo, so it’s really not relevant.

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Miles,
The more I think on your comment, the more utterly appalled I am by it. How dare you cast aspersions on any Catholic’s marriage? Your vulgar mind and uncharitable attitude is staggering. To describe any Catholic woman, modelled on Our Lady, as “not being demanding in the bedroom” is unworthy of you. Your comments are certainly not representative of my marriage, or anyone else’s I know.
I note your comment about Traditional men being “repressed”. This is a common tactic of homosexuals – they love to insinuate that everyone is really just like them. It’s pathetic.
Now, don’t make out these are the reasons why you no longer attend the Latin Mass. the real reason is your own pride and self importance, which manifested itself in you storming out of a Mass because you wanted to be in charge of the music!

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