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DO ANIMALS GO TO HEAVEN?

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Quotes from Dubose’s blog:

We know that in the Bible, ultimate redemption will extend to the whole of creation: i.e. Romans 8:21—‘that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God,’” said Dr. Dale Welden, senior pastor of St. Andrews Presbyterian Church.

“I don’t know of a reason it would not extend to animals.” Another example is Luke 3:6, which says, “and all flesh shall see the salvation of God.” In the last book of the Bible, the Revelation, Christ says, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Randy Alcorn, author of Heaven, believes that this extends to animals. In the book, he writes, “Horses, cats, dogs, deer, dolphins, and squirrels—as well as the inanimate creation—will be beneficiaries of Christ’s death and resurrection.” It seems that God meant animals to be part of His world—now and in the age to come.

Indeed, the Bible does confirm that there are animals in Heaven. Isaiah 11:6 describes several types (predator and prey) living in peace with one another. If God created animals for the Garden of Eden to give us a picture of His ideal place, He will surely include them in Heaven, God’s perfect new Eden! If these animals live in Heaven, there is hope that our pets could be there too.

As Dr. Wendell Estep, senior pastor of First Baptist Church of Columbia, said, “In Revelation 19:11, Jesus is said to be riding a white horse. So, if a horse is in Heaven—why not my dog ‘Tex?’”

Martin Luther, “Father of the Protestant Reformation” and founder of the Lutheran church, said, “In Paradise there was complete harmony between man and animals; one day again that harmony will be restored and all creation will be made anew.”

New creation—man and animal—will live together in peace. The question, then, seems to be not whether animals will be in Heaven at all, but whether they will be the animals we knew during our lives on Earth.

PAT SAYS

I believe that animals go to heaven.

Those of us who have had and have animals, especially dogs, know how much love, devotion and loyalty they give us.

Scripture tells is that God is love, and wherever love is, God is.

Any creature who gives love is connected to God.

It was interesting at the time of Noah’s Ark that God was allowing the world’s human population to be wiped out but was saving every species of animal.

God is spirit. The afterlife is the spirit or spiritual world.

I believe that God will bring together in that perfect world all that he has created.

And is it not an amazing coincidence that DOG is God spelled backwards?

206 replies on “DO ANIMALS GO TO HEAVEN?”

Evening Pat, only out of work and yes I truly believe animals go to heaven and we are all one happy family when we all croak it x

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Our parish priest used to do a mass for the animals every year before he was moved. It was very nice. The children liked it.

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Did St. Francis bless and preach to animals? I think the Franciscans still have an annual Mass to bless pets? I could be wrong.

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Indeed Seamus, ‘cos they don’t “think” about it in the way we humans do. Our evolved human intelligence seeks patterns, cause and effect, and ultimately, some meaning to our lives. This invariably leads to humankind ascribing external significance. In effect, we “create” an external imagined reality, God, or God’s, whether under the name of Allah, Jehova, Thor, Shiva, Christ, or any of the other thousands of gods “created ” by humans. Maybe it’s our arrogance to do so.
Maybe the “dumb” animals just have more sense!

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An anecdote about Big Jim Doherty RIP, in Tim Stanley’s column in the Daily Telegraph yesterday:
Speaking of outspoken Catholics, I’d like to pay tribute to Fr James Doherty, AKA “Big Jim”, a Glasgow priest who died last week, of whom the stories are legendary. On one occasion, a man appeared at the presbytery with a notepad that read: “I am homeless, deaf and dumb. Please help.” The cleric had seen this trick before.
“Can you lip read?” asked Big Jim. The man nodded. “Well, I’ve nae money, honey, but if you’ll come into the house, I’ll make you a sandwich.” Thank you, the man nodded.
As they walked past the huge gong the house keeper would use to summon the clergy to lunch, Jim whacked it so hard it rang like Big Ben. “God God!” cried the homeless man, “What the Hell did you do that for?!”
“Oh, it’s a double miracle!” said Big Jim. “Ye can hear and ye can speak!!”
“Aye well,” replied the man, rubbing his ears, “you’ve got to work bloody hard to get any money out of people nowadays.”
Jim made the man his sandwich.

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Nice article Pat. I agree. But what about Rev 22:15 Outside [the city of the New Jerusalem] are the dogs and sorcerers and fornicators….?What do you make of that?

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I fucking hope they go to heaven - or I'm joining the @hur@4 of s@t*n to ensure an eternity in tranquil peace 🤣says:

How many humans boarded the Ark during the great deluge of Genesis?
* In Genesis 6:18, God says to Noah: “But I will establish my covenant with you, and you shall come into the ark; you, your sons, your wife, and your sons’ wives with you” (ESV.).
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* And in 1 Peter 3:20 (which written at the first part of the Patristic era, circa 1st century AD) states that there were eight people on the Ark.
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* The deuterocanonical Book of Tobit (written c. 225–175 BC) does not name any of the wives aboard Noah’s Ark, but it does say that Noah’s wife was one of his “own kindred” (Tobit 4:12). Not that many, it would seem, judging from scripture.
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How many animals (mammals; birds; reptiles etc., boarded the ark during same deluge?
From a quick search – a roughy estimate – I would hasten to say: there were circa 3,858,920 animals aboard the ark—two of each (yes, you could easily argue for reasons of procreation…).
And, no, I do not believe that there was an actual gigantic ark with such numbers aboard. Deluges? Yes. Apopyliptic? Sadly not…!
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MY IMPETUS HERE: If there are no animals in heaven (and by animals I don’t mean human/beasts who get immense satisfaction from hurting children and/or God’s other defenceless creatures) — THEN I FUCKING DON’T WANT TO GO THERE — AND I WILL DRAG MY FUCKING HEALS, BELIEVE ME !

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Thank goodness for that, 9:21am— especially if I’d have to put up with people like you! I’d end up getting thrown out on the first day for Grevious Bodily Harm- with intent 🤣

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4.23am: A most ignorant, abusive, drunken rant. Vulgar. Who’d want to be with you anywhere? Your spelling is awful….Of course the time says or all about you!! Late night carousing and drinking…

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4.23am
Anyone writing a comment of vulgar filth such as this must have been on the vino etc.etc. late into the wee hours of this morning. Are you not a wee bit ashamed letting yourself down for all on this blog. Will you get a life and get a grip of yourself. Pathetic is what you are.

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I have only just read the Patricia says part of today’s blog. I, too, immediately thought of the Ark and the animals 🙂 x

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8.49: How do you expect Pat to jnow. If we believe in God’s infinite mercy, none of us can determine the eternal state of anyone’s soul in the afterlife. Who of us can make definitive judgments – only God alone.

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Very Interesting! I like your comments,Pat. You know what they say, ” a man’s best friend is his dog”. You can’t beat a dog for friendship, loyalty and companionship. And, dogs won’t ‘bite the hand that feeds”, unlike “priests gone rogue” who challenge. We need more of those, now, like never before..

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Working on your palindrome ‘GOD/DOG observation, Bishop Pat, would you say that ‘EVIL RATS ON NO STAR LIVE’ has got some kind of theological significance. Ive always believed that man is just a higher species of animal and I think that I have science on my side on this, but could your palindrome proposal be opening a new source of Divine Revelation we have not recognised up till now? It makes a lot of the kind of sense that many on this blog would recognise.

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11:18
Bela’s eschatology is similar to Houdini’s.
If the going gets tough Lugosi will go to ground disappearing off blog for the day.

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“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.”( Proverbs 9:10).
Heaven is a mere halting site on the journey back to paradise.

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Oul Gossip Alert @ 12:56m
Nettie at her usual replying to her own post at 11:18. I never go to ground as regards you and never will. Morons like you have to be brought to book. I will always ensure you are.

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Aul Goose Alert @ 1:42pm
I’m not Nettie, Bela. You’ve gone to ground, off blog,a plenty, my petal.
What do you mean by bring to book, Bela? Are you a member of the God squad, or what?

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Goosie @2:46pm
Listen Petal if I’m off blog it’s because I’ve other thing to do. We’re not all like some who haunt the blog 24/7. I still say you’r Nettie masquerading as Goosey Goosey Gander lets face it you’ve so many names whats another one to add to your litany eh Petal.😏😏😏

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3:53pm
Aul Cooked Goose Alert!
Bela, me darling, I am not Nettie. Is Nettie your sweetie pie?

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10:35 pm
Aul Overcooked Goose Alert!
I’m not Nettie, Bela. Fighting is just a twisted sign of love.
Stop pretending, Bela. Nettie is your sweetie pie.

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I’m not even sure that humans go to heaven, or whether there is a heaven. So, I am equally unsure that animals go to heaven, or there exists a heaven for them ! I have long since come to the view that there is simply no proof or any real prospect that heaven as depicted by various institutional / organised religions does exist. It is simply ridiculous for us to superimpose on our after death state a reflection of everything that we have experienced here – some sort of physical, earthly, worldly, ideal universe and existence. it is patently nonsense to do that, and is really just a sop to our not being able to deal with the unknown. So, we create something that gives us some kind of comfort. The Church has been a master at doing that and in the process ensuring that they accumulate influence, power and wealth by persuading people that their myth of the afterlife / heaven is real. The reality will be …..well, I simply don’t know. I’m content with not knowing. If there is something, then I will know and probably be surprised. If there is not, then I won’t know and it won’t matter. My best guess, while still being unknowing and highly sceptical of the traditional religion explanations, is that I will be content to be absorbed in to the world and the universe, having been part of that existence and experience. Other than that I cannot say.

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Does you think absorption into the world and universe might/ will include some or any degree of self-consciousness?

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I don’t think so. I think we will lose our individuality and consciousness of ourselves and just be absorbed in to something greater than us, not necessarily divine. That’s the wonder of it. We don’t know. We just have to be humble and patient and let what will be. There’s nothing we can do to change it. Certainly not by inventing myths and stories that make us feel better. That’s not going to change whatever the reality is going to be. I certainly will not be swanning around with wings and a hallo and being an eternal heavenly image of myself, or transformed by Christ etc. I will be gone, nothing. Absorbed. Put away. Ended. Job done. I’m quite content with that. For a while I guess I will exist on in memory, at least of those who love me. But, that comes to an end when the line of memory gets too long and distant.

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Seamus at 4:43. Could you please tell us what a “non sensible atheist is?”
And do relate that specifically to his/her atheism ie a position of being unconvinced concerning the existence of a God or gods.
Thanks

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And, @ 9:50, you’ve said it very well.
I share your views. Like you, I do not know, and am content with that. All the evidence I’m aware of indicates just how much the whole raiment of religious belief derives from human uncertainty and insecurities at the reality of our ephemeral existence. It’s emotional clothing to keep us “feeling warm and cosy”.
It’s interesting to see the amount of hostility engendered in “believers” when one simply says, “I see insufficient evidence to believe, therefore I do not know.” To what extent might that reaction be from deep seated honest conviction (of religious truths), or a resentment at a perceived threat to their religious “comfort blanket?”
Certainly those on this blog who almost gleefully consign unbelievers to hellfire and damnation might appear to belong to the latter kind.
Are YOU listening @ 9 54.
MMM

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I see insufficient evidence that you exist, MMM. You don’t even tell us your name. You could be a bot.

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MMM, I think the mere fact that your rare comments here set the unholy ones off would indicate that your existence has a purpose, whether divine or not. Personally I know that I just don’t want to be where they are, should a future life exist so have made sure that throughout my life my actions have always been guided by doing the opposite of what the church teaches or by ethical codes uninfluenced by religion.
If G*d exists he either won’t care what I do and if he’s so petty he would punish me he will have to beg my forgiveness.

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What if following death you discover God exists.
How might you respond to this discovery…….to God?

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A. 9.19. As no indication as to whom your question is addressed, (typical stupidity and lack of awareness), may I respond?
Okay Big GodFellah. WTF have you been playing at? Worldwide famines, like currently in Afghanistan; covid pandemics; malaria; innocent children raped by your supposedly holy priest representatives,…………
We were told you loved us. Is this best way of showing it, ……….and thousands of years of this shit? Explain yourself.
I’m waiting you supposedly caring Ar$€h●¿e.
But it won’t happen. That’s why I’ve no compunction is thus addressing the imaginary figment of YOUR imagination.

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10:39
I am not God. Are you?
There is worse beyond journeys end than everything you mentioned.

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McBrearty MBE (my big ego) is returning from Gran Canaria in a rage of anger and has ordered his close associates (217 of them) to investigate the leaking of his holiday destination and to gather all photographic evidence of him in his Mankini, twerking on the dance floor with a margarita, chuckling like a hearty farmer with a cigar in his mouth

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Eugene was glad to get a break from the blog for a while whilst his Great British pal Stephen got some air time, bears are us

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To be fair to Stephen he must be delighted at finally being able to put letters after his name. Not just pp but as he has no degree having been ‘educated’ at a provincial seminary in Kilkenny,

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This depicts rather an unpleasant image of Fr McB but the actual photo is actually of him slumped in a sun bed, sweating like a roasting pig, all that sweat sticking to his hairy body, as he drinks pints of beer and farting while eating lots of ice cream

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I am not on only fans therefore not able to see this pic. Could you please post on here. TIA

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He may have been glowing in the sun. However I don’t remember Stevie (My Big Ego) swilling beer. He may have a paunch, but brought about by consuming wine not beer.

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Dearest Stevie may well be furious that his holiday destination was disclosed as ‘el cheapo’ package holiday resort, rather than somewhere more exotic. Somewhere more in line with his status as MBE {My Big Ego} like Mustique

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I note the scepticism @ 10:49. It’s well justified.
What a pernicious hoax the whole “Heaven” panacea & “Hell” deterrent really is.

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Mystic Michael from Lagmore told me my husband was in heaven so if that bastard can make it, you sure as hell can believe that pets are there

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Mystic Michael was asked to contact my mother who had passed but was inundated by my husband, harassed me in life and death

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Mystic Michael is fantastic if your into dat sorta thing. He gave me amazing messages from my granny and we were able to find her platinum engagement ring. Mind you all hell broke out between my aunts over it so maybe we’d a been better off not finding it.

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At every Novus Ordo funeral I’ve attended the priest canonises the deceased and assures the mourners that the recently departed is gazing on them from heaven. It’s open house so the cats, dogs, fish and gerbils surely have a place too.

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Mystic Michael is not only a great medium and clairvoyant but also a really nice guy. I know for a fact that he brings out the bins for dome of his elderly neighbours and puts them back in again. His prices for readings sre a bit high but he makes up for it by being a really nice guy. He also visits the elderly especially those who don’t have any family

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Lagmore Liz :2:15pm

Liz a would have thought a smart girl like you would be onto a con merchant like Mystic Michael. I’ll bet he’s nice to the elderly and those who don’t have a family, he’ll be looking to see how much he can con them out of.

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Listen to me, listen to me, listen to what I’ve got to say, love one another, like the father loves you, and you will all get to heaven this way. Amen

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Fr Robert McGivney blesses farm animals and was on the paper blessing sheep. At least one priest in Meath has a cat. Do Meath pussies go to heaven?

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Who is the priest that gets taken for a walk every morning in the Tow Path by two golden Labrador’s? The man can not control them at all

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1.15 pm @ Mutt Lover
If you know that much about dogs then you should know that Japanese Akitas are spelt as I have done with a capital J and A, not lower case like you did.

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I recall meeting a priest on Grindr who wanted me to Dress up as a dog and when he said he was going to make love to me he said he would sing ‘who let the gods out’ – I blocked him!

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A woman’s dog had just died, and she was naturally upset. She asked her parish priest if she would meet up with her dog again in heaven. The wise priest replied, “If you need your dog for your eternal happiness, he’ll be there.”

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Seamus you are picking up on something trending on Twitter. Following the antivaxxers deciding that drinking your own urine works on covid people are pushing them to start eating faeces. 🥺🤮

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2:37, the Scoop Scoop Song is my own original variant. Nothing to do with the Twitter machine or anything like that. All wise Christians are Pro-Life and vaccinated.
Pax.

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2:37
Don’t believe everything you pick up on Twitter.
Many of Twitterati are deluded brainwashed misinformed woke shrills.
You’re sounding like a right gobshite.
I’d stay off Twitter for more than health reasons.

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9:19

More than big pharma will be put to shame.
Seamus, medications for treating Covid were suppressed before the pandemic kicked off.
Medics were and remain muzzled, not permitted to use known life saving alternative treatments essential at symptom onset. The narrative is rapidly crumbling.
Dr. Valdimir (Zev) Zelenko MD has saved thousands of lives since summer of 2020.
See his website and online videos for more information.
Pax.

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4:38
Anyone equating pro-life and christian wisdom with vaccines is talking through their hat.
It might present as a virtuous soundbite but is utter nonsense in the context of sociology, health politics and vaccine production historically involving big pharma. Educate yourself, please, before virtue signalling on vaccines.
Look at http://www.vaers.hhs.gov or http://www.yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk
( Government websites in USA & UK)

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6:00, Corbevax can be the solution worldwide. They are forgoing intellectual property rights. Shame on the big pharma companies who want the profits and did not forgo the intellectual property rights for the good of mankind. Corbevax take a bow! 👏👏👏

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Looks like We will have the first Muslim leader of McBreartys Britain in the coming months of Johnson is thrown aside by his own party.

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Rishi Sunak isn’t a Muslim, he’s high caste Hindu, married to the daughter of an Indian billionaire and won’t have to grub around for money to redo the No 10 flat. Javid is a Muslim, but very lax, and doesn’t cut the mustard to be PM. Could play an extra territorial Mr Spock character though. Little Priti Patel is probably Sikh or Hindu, but not Muslim. She’s a f**king fascist. The Iraqi Zhawi is a faux posh dumbo and isn’t in the running. Could be Liz Truss, but she is emotionally autistic and not very user friendly. The gene pool is very poor for successors.

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Any candidate would be better than the corrupt “Catholic” liar and fraud like Johnson whose never done a days work in his life

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The Chinese eat dogs. And if you see my local Chinese takeaway you’d swear they have imported the custom

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It’s a sad day when the country will have to choose between a white woman and a Muslim to be the leader

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9.12 – 🤣🤣 Of course, there’s plenty clergy gone “Rogue”, it’s a key survival tactic – they get picked on & blackened by the “Rogue State” that the RCC has become if they don’t “play ball”. It has become a Rogue Institution. All a “good” priest has is a faithful dog or cat to confide in at the end of the day & a decent bottle of liquor or the white stuff if he’s leaning more seriously out of line. Excuse the Pun! At least the dog or cat won’t rat him out to the Spindoctors & the Andrea Bocelli clergy who are over in Rome with their journalist friends every chance they get. Are any of them going on Daniel O’Donnell Cruise or is it being live-streamed to the Vatican for them, I wonder?

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The “Rogue State” that the RCC has become if they don’t “play ball”.
What do you mean? Has the Church gone rogue?
Nightie night Murt.

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I just heard the good news about Conan McGonagle…. Mr. Brendan Marshall and Rev. Ronan Sheehan tried to destroy his life…good for him and shame on them two.

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Ronan Sheehan’s recent interview in the Southern Star newspaper had me howling with laughter. Especially when he admitted going to the Boiler Room Nightclub in Clonakilty for a few beers.

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Joking aside thought, yes, animals do have souls. I believe they really do.
The same as is humans? No, not the same as us.
They are much closer to the God, the Divine essence, than we are.
My two cats have saved me over these past few years — unless your an animal person, you could never understand what I mean by that.
Scripture more than indicates that animals have souls; indeed, anything that has the breathe of God, clearly has life: and God is the author of ALL life, remember.
God is love…
The whole of creation yearns to reveal God and His beauty—His divine nature. That’s true Sacramentology: God revealing Himself in the world (not through, in. Anong us).
Creation, including flowers and animals (and humans…🙄), are all a part of God’s plan.

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Why’s that, then?
Plants and other vegetation are a part of God’s plan is what I said — however, I do believe they have the divine spark (“divine spark” not to be confused with the heretical early Church notion.)
Plants and fish, they all gravitate towards light, and they need nourishment, as do our mortal bodies, darling dearest…
There’s something there of a bigger picture. Is there not?

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Pay, me wee Jack Russell cross has taight me more about the divine than any religion class ever did. She’s always
My wee companion and after sheNpasses i know she will still be with me

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Sorry for all the spelling mistakes in my previous post folks. I was feeding the hamster and the dog was barking at the postman (but he never bothers with the Amazon man!). Life of a pet owner eh?!

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2.45: Do you really understand how utterly imbecilic and uneducated you are? With a brain that produces this caca, it must be the size of an ant!! Get a real education.

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Does anyone remember the vet in Lisburn, Archibald? Was unorthodox, but cheap. My friend took her cat to him to get cataracts done and when they picked her up again Archibald handed over the cat with only 3 legs, he had performed the wrong operation on the cat, he was wild.

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Sr Margaret McCabe feeds all the cats outside the convent on the Glen road, it’s great for keeping mice and rats at bay, as much as I’m scared of them.

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Don’t start character assassinating another person on this blog. Margaret may have left sister hood but was honest with herself first and foremost, her and her partner Rose are animal lovers and indeed have 2 lovely dogs themselves. She tries her best in very difficult circumstances in the convent.

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I would never eat anything of my neighbours plates as he always leaves them down for the dogs to finish the leftovers – disgusting

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I watched a woman in lady Dixon sharing an ice cream cone with her pug. I was near sick. There’s limits like.

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“Never be a spectator of unfairness or stupidity. The grave will provide plenty of time for silence.” — Christopher Hitchens

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Rory Sheehan just wants to marry his young man lover and settle down in the country with a few dogs and live his best life as a layman

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Rory’s bf works in the RVH and speaks openly about the scrutiny he is facing but has his back entirely.

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How many priests do you think are raging that it was a layman who finally got to Rory and not them, wonder why he is such a popular figure amongst his priest peers

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Apparently the Archbishop of Glasgow now down to two. Third man has said no. Bishop Nolan or a Priest in a particular Religious Order who remains as yet unnamed. Any Of the Scottish Priests know more?

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5.09
A Priest from a Religious Order will not get Glasgow.
It is suppose to be Bill Nolan or John Keenan getting announced this week.
Anniversary Mass is on Thursday night @ 7 for Archbishop Philip it will be livestreamed from the Cathedral due to restrictions however Papal Nuncio is arriving on Thursday for the mass.

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I have been told it’s a surprise so maybe an order man. Talk tonight about a Glasgow born Jesuit. Dunno the name

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Keenan has been anything like a roaring success in Paisley. Whatsmore he is alleged to be wildly ambitious. He is still a bit on the young side and if many are to be believed he isn’t the worlds most popular.All of these things would mean he would be marked down.
My money is on Galloway Bill

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@ 5:09 pm As I have said all along, it is Hugh Gilbert. There is no doubt about that.

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What would you call your wee dog if yiu had one? I’m sure the right dog is out there waiting for you and he will find you when the time is right. We don’t search for dogs. They find us

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If I had a dog I would have to call him Roco or Rex or if I had twins it would be perfect

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Do not go to Fr Feeneys mass, far too long and soooooooo boring, that monotonous tone of his, blimey and it’s taking him longer to get up the aisle. What on Earth does he keep in that caravan on the presbytery grounds?

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January is always the month when clergy become sex tourists after a busy December month and January is their own time to get their legs over or their bums in the air

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@5.57pm December can hardly be described as busy with fewer people attending Church due to Covid. Many are watching online from the comfort of their homes. I suspect you have little or no evidence of what you claim. Another idiot with your brain in your genitals

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“I did not have sexual relations with that woman” now we never need a priest to use this terminology

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Many victims and survivers of childhood clerical abuse were presented barriers and obstacles which many found [almost] impossible to overcome 😉says:

That takes some front, does that.
Thank goodness no body is above the law. Nobody.
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https://youtu.be/qux80S0fWEg

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6.21

Oh, I am afraid there are those above the law, thanks to Michael Woods ( xTDxMinister now 86) and his Knights, they removed a piece of legislation !!! Abominable act, coldly calculated and cunningly executed and voted through the Irish Parliament !

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Pat have you seen the news? Dog sanctuary’s are already inundated and are at full capacity, May I make an appeal to your readers that if they have time for a loving friend to enquire about them. Thank you and may god bless you

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I hsd a beautiful wer dog called Prince growing up. Such an obedient wer creature until the odd time that he bared his teeth lol. I’m certain I will see him agsin

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7.24
In the Hebrew worldview, everything that is alive has a soul. Nefesh is the Hebrew word for soul. While an animal is alive it has a soul, therefore.
Ironically, the Latin word ‘anima’ from which we get the word ‘animal’ means ‘soul.’ QED

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@7.57pm Of course, etymology does not determine the meaning of a concept. You cannot deduce from the origin of ‘soul’ that it implies animals have souls. That is an analytical a step too far and an error often corrected in biblical study but, obviously in this case, overlooked. As grades go 3rd class.

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Bishop Pat, in my experience, many animals have more morals and are more dignified than some human beings. Surprising human beings to say the least.

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Was that a mischievous post further up the blog ? Casually linking Fr Doherty with the Torygraph’s Tim Stanley , close chum of the Deacon and the more youthful Chain ?

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It’s an education to note that when hard questions on religion’s validity are asked on this blog, other than feeble ad hominem attacks there’s invariably no sensible response, and certainly no convincing ones, from religious followers, clerical or lay.
As my years advance the whole false basis for religion, certainly the Christian variety, becomes the more obvious to me.
All the supposed “good works” of religion adds nothing to its alleged validity.

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As you say DD, even after a few days, there’s been no response from the defensive cathbots who prowl these pages.
They just don’t like the hard questions.

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