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WHY DO PRIESTS AND BISHOPS SIT AT MASS AND ALLOW “EXTRAORDINARY MINISTERS” TO DISTRIBUTE HOLY COMMUNION.

Video from Robert Nugent via Youtube

I have never met Robert Nugent and from what I k ow of him, I can’t imagine us agreeing on much – but he is perfectly right about bishops and priests being the Ordinary ministers of Holy Communion

His Knock example is good.

The ORDINARY minister of Holy Communion is a priest or bishop.

Our current lay MINISTERS OF THE EUCHARIST are EXTRAORDINARY ministers.

That means that they are only called to give out Holy Communion when priests and bishops are not available or in situations where there is only one priest and the Congregation is so large that just one priest distributing would make the Communion part of the Mass out of proportion time wise.

These extraordinary ministers were not intended to REPLACE priests and bishops – but to assist them when needed.

The situation we see in Knock above is both theologically and liturgically incorrect and perhaps an abuse.

These things happen when priests and bishops are theologically and liturgically ignorant or lazy.

The abuse has come about in part to placate the laity who cannot be ordained.

It’s priests and bishops throwing theological and liturgical “scraps” at the laity.

The other abuse that has crept in here is that these ministers are often chosen from priests favourite parishioners and from the more wealthy parishioners.

It is an “honour” a power liking PP can bestow upon his more obedient and knee bending parishioners.

The custom of lay ministers taking Holy Communion home to the sick etc is much more ancient and rooted in good theology and liturgy.

Priests and bishops taking Holy Communion from extraordinary ministers flies in the face of all tradition.

FATHER MARTIN MC ALINDEN

Had a foul mouthed and seemingly intoxicated “lady” call me from a mobile number last night at 9 15 pm – claiming to be Martin’s sister.

246 replies on “WHY DO PRIESTS AND BISHOPS SIT AT MASS AND ALLOW “EXTRAORDINARY MINISTERS” TO DISTRIBUTE HOLY COMMUNION.”

Back in the days when they had ordinations in Clogher diocese, all the priests of the diocese stayed seated in Monaghan Cathedral while extraordinary ministers distributed Holy Communion. At an ordination!!!

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1.37pm It says no such thing. Instituted acolytes or lectors are extraordinary ministers and remain so.
Typical clericalist thinking by Frank, though. Give the laity a bauble by making them cadets in the clerical army.

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Mr Bergoglio’s non-infallible MP (which has the status of an office memo about the tea club) is a dead letter because no bishop is implementing it, for good reasons.

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2.40 and 2.44
Here is the official text from the Holy See’s Press Office of Francis’ Apostolic Letter issued motu proprio which no longer employs the terminology of ordinary and extraordinary of a former pontificate in relation to these ministries.

It also acknowledges that Francis is thereby changing Canon Law and includes the text of the revision. Canon 230 § 1.

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This is now a pointless exchange, which you have taken down a rabbit hole and you simply seem unable to understand that Canon 310 refers to acolyte and lector and canon 910 refers, quite separately, to who is the ordinary and extraordinary minister of the Holy Eucharist. C. 910 explicitly states that acoyltes are extraordinary. I cannot understand why you cannot understand that. I again assume that you are a BATheol student and, as such, did not study canon law.

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You are exhausting, 6.00pm. Nowhere, but nowhere, does that say that acolytes and lectors are ordinary ministers of the Holy Eucharist. Are you unable to read?

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8.00
You are missing the point. The distinction between ordinary and extraordinary is no longer relevant since the ministries have been instituted.

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8.02
910 will now required to be changed as 230 to bring canon law into line with the new development.

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There is no such thing as an ordinary or extraordinary lector ir acolyte. You are as thick as breeze blocks. And this is boring now.

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2.44
Spiritus Domini:
‘I have decided to modify canon 230 § 1 of the Code of Canon Law. I therefore decree that Canon 230 § 1 of the Code of Canon Law shall in future have the following formulation:
“Lay persons who possess the age and qualifications established by decree of the conference of bishops can be admitted on a stable basis through the prescribed liturgical rite to the ministries of lector and acolyte. Nevertheless, the conferral of these ministries does not grant them the right to obtain support or remuneration from the Church”.
‘I also order the amendment of the other provisions having the force of law which refer to this canon.‘

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8.00
The language of ordinary and extraordinary applied to ministries since Spiritus Domini is no longer applicable.

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Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Have you thought of looking him up on the internet?

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It’s clericalising the laity, that’s what it is. It reaches its nadir in permanent deacons, whereby men of the retired teacher and bank manager class are promoted from the ranks.

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11. 43
Your own particular grouse should not blind you to the historically significant role of the deacon as a form of ministry from apostolic times.
The restoration of the role is therefore greatly to be welcomed.

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What exactly do permanent deacons do that lay people can't, won't or are unable to do, and what does it say about the Church that we can only get men involved by ordaining them?says:

So significant it fell into abeyance for many centuries, wasn’t missed, nobody asked for its return and only retired headmasters get called to this superflous office that they hadn’t heard of until their PP suggested it might be a good way for them to keep occupied in retirement.

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It’s restoration is not welcomed by women. Another source of division and second class status for women. As if the sanctuary is already not full of old men without adding more.

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Has anyone ever been booted out of teacher training? It’s always the people with the worst A Level grades who do that, so it certainly wasn’t something that I was interested in.

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I understand. Never got that far, eh, 2:53. Many trades would still be open to you though.

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4.15pm. I am a priest and my bishop wanted me to return to Maynooth after ordination to do the HDip and then join the teaching staff of one of our diocesan colleges. I refused, though I now wish that I had done so, if only for the pension, as I would have been made president in due course and then would have retired with a headmaster’s pension, which in NI is rather generous.

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Talking of teaching, take a look at the new ownership of St Bede’s College, Manchester. Opus Dei have quietly bought the school, a former junior seminary and source of much scandal, lock stock and barrel and are attempting to keep it quiet. Companies House reveals all. New Deputy Head there is an Opus Dei numerary. Director is Opus Dei numerary. Does anyone know any more info.

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The Opus will probably turn it into a student hall of residence, like their popular halls of residence elsewhere.

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They have a hall of residence about five minutes from St Bedes. Called Greygarth Hall. It all seems a strange development. Unsure on Burnham. But the place has seen some shocking scandals. ODs involvement very strange.

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I remember that St Bede’s used to advertise more or less permanently in ‘The Universe’. I’d no idea it had closed.

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The Extraordinary Ministers ought to not give out communion to Ordinary Ministers.
However we depend on encouraging the laity to participate in the church community…. to then tell them to stand down because we have priests is not helpful. We are preparing for when priest numbers return to what were historically normal numbers i.e prob 1 priest for 28 parishes. Participation is to be encouraged

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Particapation in the church community does not mean clericalising the laity by giving a selected few of them some jobs in the sanctuary. You have a very impoverished and clericalist view of the lay vocation.

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Never did I ever mention it only involved such roles, or that they should be reserved to the select few.
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Clearly your interpretation of my comment says a lot about your own impoverished and clericalised views.

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Listen, blasphemously named HG, if you really are a priest keep your clericalist finger-wagging and passive aggression to yourself. The laity don’t take that crap any more.

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3.16
JPII’s dispensation on this has been replaced by Francis’. The placing of these lay ministries on an instituted footing changes the game. The language of ordinary and extraordinary is since Spiritus Domini obsolete.

If I had done the sem course what would your point be? I would have been in the good company of several Irish bishops.

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2:56 Blasphemy is speaking sacrilegiously of God or divine things. I’m not seeing where a goat is God.

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@4.27 – incorrect.

Matt 25:31-33 details how at the Second coming Jesus will separate the Sheep from the Goats. I really don’t know how I will be judged. I do my best to be authentic but like all people I may be failing and blind to it, or succeeding and blind to it. Yet many people here seek to judge others, and in usurping Christ’s position they judge harshly. Many doing so might determine me to be a goat – but I hope Christ thinks otherwise…
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Far from being a base bastardisation of Holy Ghost (who says that term in Ireland), it is a deep reflection on my own longing for salvation.

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If there are priests present there are no excuses for laity distributing Holy Communion. The First Minister of Communion is the Priest. Ireland seems to be the main culprit because of lack of theology and cop on. Any joe soap can get up without any reflection by the priest.

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I was at a Nuptial Mass in Enniskillen in which the then curate Fr Brendan Gallagher sat on his throne with his legs crossed while the bride (!), who is an EM, was the chief distributor of Holy Communion, in her wedding dress.
In the same parish, my sister, who is an EM (they have seemingly hundreds there) was proud as punch that she gave First Holy Communion to her own son. She looked at me like I had two heads when I said that that wasn’t right.
There must be something in the water in Enniskillen. Fr Victor in the Graan, when saying Mass, also acts as organist. It looks ridiculous seeing him playing the organ in his Mass vestments. In the Graan, where anything goes, nobody bats an eyelid.

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I was at St Eunan’s Cathedral, Letterkenny for the Easter Vigil one year. The paschal fire was two firelighters in a biscuit tin.

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@11.46am Speaking of Enniskillen the PP seems to have disappeared recently according to my Sister who is involved there. The rather pompous CC has taken charge by all accounts. The words she has used to me are “burn out”, “given up” and “disillusioned”.

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1.05pm
Peter O’Reilly was chief mourner in the Anglican cathedral in Enniskillen the other day, at the funeral of the much admired late Bishop Hannon. Peter was dressed to impress and bedizened in pink.

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11.43: Excellent comment. Its more laity we need, not less. We have so few priests that we must be visionary but also recognise that the baptised people of God share in the mission of CHRIST. We stopped laity for too long. We must accept their dignity and the unique role that they must and can play. I thought the Oratory had a more relevant and intelligent vision. Obviously not.

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@2.58pm People could be very easilly confused which Church Peter turns up in. Care to explain his recent avoidance of his own Church? Shows up to events wgen he wants to.

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In the hypothesis mentioned (and one does die of anything, from any cause), there is almost always considerable unequalness at any age group. Unbalanced VDs / seminary faculty have evidently heavily implied one mustn’t be nasty to another in that overly sacred environment by turning them down. Therefore fault and shame should surely lie far more on other parties. Devlin walked straight out, but many hypocritically decry him for it. Others don’t see why they should have to: was it Jesus or someone, that is supposed to have set all this up?
After all, the Pope Himself says we have to act “modern” these days. Father McA may have been under threat from that element? A creepy person yesterday reported “relations” with him.
As for “communion” in my young day there was no need for “communion ministers” as, before it got over hyped, a minority of the congregation “went up” and far better we were spiritually for it. The first JP II’s fake answer to a.k.a spearhead for Bolshevism was to concretise Wilhelm Reich’s diseased sex concepts in the lives of children (including non catholics). Now the seminarians go on video saying they want to replicate JP II.

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Horror stories concerning “Extraordinary” ministers in the RC church have become a trope. For example, I knew a zombie parish in England which had five of them for a total number of Sunday communicants which was dropping below 200. They were all of them middle-aged women, who expected -and got- free access to the tabernacle. A mentally ill woman parishioner demanded to become a sixth, and the priest had the courage to refuse because she was obsessed with receiving Communion and would have helped herself from the tabernacle several times a day. So she went to a neighbouring parish and became one there, despite the number of communicants in that parish being half the size (and things got so bad there that the priest walked out, and the bishop didn’t replace him).
On the subject of zombie parishes, the same English diocese had a parish with 150 communicants, the priest of which was saying four Sunday Masses because parishioners had told him that they would lapse if “their” Mass was stopped. He had a nervous breakdown. Then you had the priest in the same deanery with an immutable schedule of parish visits, who couldn’t take a holiday because breaking the visit rota would be a pastoral emergency. If you are interested in zombie parishes, look at the diocesan stats for any with communicants below 250 and no sacraments of initiation. Go to Mass at any of them, and be horrified.

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I was at the main Sunday Mass in Cardiff Cathedral and the choir and servers in the sanctuary outnumbered the congregation.

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At that very hour, Jesus rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and the learned and have revealed them to children. Yes, Father, such has been your gracious will.
(Luke 10:21)
All those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and all those who humble themselves will be exalted. (Matt 23:12)
Blessed are the pure of heart, for they will see God. (Matt 5:8)
There is no legislating for stupidity.
O God, come to our aid, O Lord, my haste to help us.
Amen.

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“The other abuse that has crept in here is that these ministers are often chosen from priests favourite parishioners and from the more wealthy parishioners”
The above is an interesting point and in many cases likely to be true …… in E and W in a lot of individuals doing this doing this see themselves as above other parishioners in many cases……….. interesting!
Where necessary there is no reason why a lay person can assist the ordinary ministers (priest / deacon) but only when necessary and they must always be regarded as EXTRA-ORDINARY. Masses where there is one priest and say 300 in the congregation then its necessary.
Some of the biggest de-valuers of the sacred priesthood and diaconate are sadly priests and language is important priests need to stop saying eucharisitc ministers and say extra-ordinary ministers …. Really Rome should decree the removal of the word minister altogether.

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@8.12am Totally agree. This happens in our parish in South Derry. Nobody picked from the housing estates but hand picked instead by the PP – middle class snobby types, teachers, big buisness owners, rich land owners and the people who can afford to lunch out each day.

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10.09
The term ‘Eucharistic minister’ applied to lay people is not incorrect since Pope Francis’ motu proprio of January 11, 2021, ‘Spiritus Domini’ which changed the Code of Canon Law and institutionalized the ministries of Reader and Acolyte which were thereby opened to men and women.
The term ‘Eucharistic minister’ is the term employed by the Vatican Press Office to refer to the new dispensation.

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Regarding the incorrect term “Eucharistic Minister”, the word “chaplain” isn’t meant to be used for lay people or non-ordained religious but it is used everywhere, including in Maynooth, where unaccountably they have a lay chaplain, who, by being a lay person, is as useless as a ball of blue. He cannot celebrate any sacraments and those requiring counselling are guided to professional counsellors.

In my time in Cambridge the chaplain was Fr John Osman. There was a nun whose job title was “chaplaincy assistant” but she unilaterally upgraded her job title to “assistant chaplain”.

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10.09
State your source for your claim that the term chaplain is ‘not meant to be used’ for laypeople.
The lay chaplain does indeed celebrate every sacrament he is involved in. He may not preside (for now) but all of the faitful who are gathered celebrate the liturgy.

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Do all the faithful celebrate in the confessional? How novel. Read your canon law. Are you a lay student doing the BATheol lol?

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Not many faithful gather to celebrate the liturgy any more. Five old ladies and a biscuit tin. 🤣🤣🤣

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I’m literally crying with laughter at the assumption that anyone wouldn’t call themselves a chaplain if it is their job description, just because the Vatican says so.
Voluntary prison chaplain

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What does a lay prison “chaplain” actually do and what are your qualifications for it? Do you say a Pater, give them a miraculous medal and offer untrained (and therefore dangerous) counselling? It seems pointless. When I was in hospital I asked for a chaplain and a lay person turned up and I was a bit embarrassed because I couldn’t think of anything that they could offer me. I wanted confession, the sacrament of the sick and to talk about things with a qualified person, not someone who had just done a short course.

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The communion my Priest friend offers me, is not the body of Christ, but the body of himself. It’s the best offering a man can get.

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Pat I want to blow my cover I can not put up with this anymore but I need to know the support will be in place for me

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9.55: The usual fantasists are the ones Pat should delete and get bothered about not a woman he placed in mortal danger by printing her number. Disgraceful comment from 9.44.

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MBE (McBreartys Ego) thought he would never feature on this blog. Truly fitting. Now he has and been exposed he is scrambling in his boots to find out who it is (me) who is squealing on the bitch. Don’t worry Stephen, I know you are only back from Gran Canaria, I know you are heading again next week……

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In ‘Christifedelis Laici’, JPII emplasised the essentially working in the vineyard aspect of the lay vocation, where the task is to evangelise and serve in families, at work, in society and among everyone, and not to think it means being made mini-priests.

He wrote about a” too-indiscriminate use of the word “ministry”, the confusion and the equating of the common priesthood and the ministerial priesthood, the lack of observance of ecclesiastical laws and norms, the arbitrary interpretation of the concept of “supply”, the tendency towards a “clericalization” of the lay faithful and the risk of creating, in reality, an ecclesial structure of parallel service to that founded on the Sacrament of Orders.”

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As with everything else he said and wrote, JPII was ignored by the same crowd who now demand blind, unthinking and unqualified obedience to the pope, because it is Francis saying it and they happen to agree with him.

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10.19
JPII’s wished to emphasize the difference between the priesthood of the laity and that of the ordained.
Francis’ motu proprio ‘Spiritus Domini’ of January 2021 has changed Codex Iuris Canonici and also the theology of ministry, with a renewed emphasis on the baptismal dignity of all Christians. The terms ‘extraordinary minister’ and ‘ordinary minister’ are no longer applicable. The role of Acolyte has now been instituted and institutionalized. The gap between lay and ordained has been narrowed.

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Why have you said this multiple times when it is simply incorrect? Canon 910 is still in place. And howvon earth do you think that a lector might be an ordinary minister of the Holy Eucharist?

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I will not live my life waiting on a priest anymore, it may be the greatest love and potential loss of my life, but I need to do this for me

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Good morning our Pat, I’m taking a break from the blog, I will be back though. You would miss my gossip too much x

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Robert Nugent also did a YouTube video yesterday about Leo Veradkar’s visit to Maynooth. I realise that the college chapel is now almost entirely used as a museum and concert/graduation venue, but people have noticed that Leo and his entourage did not have to wear masks in the college chapel, yet they are compulsory in every other church in the land.

He also has a clip of Amy, in that dreadful camp, prissy voice, saying that pro-life people should work to ensure abortion in Ireland is safe, legal and rare.

Amy should have said that it may be legal, but it is not rare and definitely not safe for the baby, whose death is the point of abortion.

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9.56am – same in other places. Our elderly neighbour stopped going to church near her house because a relative of the multiple repeat offender who burgled her house was very hostile to her for reporting it & is encouraged to be throwing her weight about as she’s a well know local “priests pet” – street Angel, house devil type. She’d discreetly play “games” giving the old lady her host & be hostile in shops etc. All smiles then to priest & crying about “trying her best” but why is she doing this to mass goers at same time? It took a lot for that old lady to stop attending the church she & her family had patronised for decades & no point in drawing the wrath of the rest of the inner circle church possey on her at her age & state of health & still so upset that her mother’s wedding ring & other irreplaceable family items were never recovered. Very sad.

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This is the kind of person you avoid by not going to church. You may of course meet psychos like that anywhere but without church you’re not expected to have to remain in communion with them.
Being excommunicated has brought me so much peace.

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Hi Bishop Pat. We have Eucharistic Ministers in our parish in Glasgow who deem it ok to bless those who don’t take holy communion when they come up for a blessing. Instead of directing them to the Priest, some bless with the host. one, including a Nun bless the lay person as if they are a Priest and say “may almighty God bless you…..”. I suspect that this is contrary to Canon law? I raised it with the Priest who said I’ve got too much time on my hands to worry about these things.

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1045 you and the PP are sooo clericalist. Quite right to tell the parishoner to know their place.

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But only some can do it effectively namely priests. The nun has as much power to bless as a newsagent or a cat.

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3.41
So when a lay person blesses someone in the name of ghe Lord that is ineffective? God jumps when a priest blesses?
You see how ridiculous your position os.

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There is actually another way around this which is to ordain everyone. You don’t have clericalism then. Easy.

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11.06 I’m sure that point is not far off, with everyone receiving Holy Orders maybe at the same time as confirmation and they could do their own Mass, though then the Tablet readers wouldn’t want to be ordained anymore because they’d no longer be special.

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I am a relative of Martin McAlinden and I was practically living in the hospice with him for the last month of his life and he died of Oesophageal cancer.
Do not believe a word that comes out of this man’s mouth, and for those that believe him, you are all as bad as him. Also those asking to obtain his death certificate, I have it, but you do not deserve to see it!!

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If you a are a relative of Martin Mc Alinden why post anonymously?
You could be anybody.
You could even be the priest that allegedly infected him?
If the death certificate is as you say – prove it!

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11 11: Buckley, just mind your own business. You are causing so much unnecessary grief to Fr. McAlinden’s family. Are you so thick and heartless not to know this? Get a grip on your nosiness and selfishness. Act like you believe in JESUS CHRIST. Otherwise get off the stage.

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2.02 pm @ anon

I think you are forgetting something. It is a secret, but I will tell you anyway. Listen carefully, come closer. It is Bishop Pat’s Blog, not yours. Now, what did you say about ‘getting off the stage’?

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You’re the one Pat who printed the text from a “clerical colleague” who referenced the death certificate. You put the demand for proof on others that you don’t achieve yourself.

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11;09am.
Thank you for trying to defend Martin but you’re obviously lying as it wasn’t Oesophageal cancer that killed him. Yes, he had oesophageal cancer prior to a short period of remission but what killed him was that the cancer spread to his lower spine and the tumor had got very aggressive.<br

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Please photocopy and share on the blog. We need to know the dirty secrets. Can’t wait.

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The retired librarians who become Extraordinary Ministers are akin to the old choir nuns in that they turn up for the showy public liturgy bits, but are nowhere to be seen when the humbler people (akin to the old lay sisters) are cleaning the church, saying the rosary in church, being in the Legion/SVP, looking after the homeless. The EMs are also the sort of people who are excited by the synod on synods.

Incidentally, has anyone seen the new official Irish website for the synodal process in Ireland. Wordy and jargon-ridden, it reads like a company prospectus and you have to dig very deep indeed to find words such as “God, Jesus, prayer, faith, sacraments etc”. In fact, some of these aren’t mentioned at all and, as is the way with the post-Vatican II Church, every contribution is by women of a certain age, nuns and priests. This sort of crap doesn’t appeal to lay men or anyone under 50.

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You have shot yourself in the foot by pointing out that the church’s social teaching (as mirrored in the former structure of convents) is not equal and some are a higher rank.
To continue the convent motif: what decided whether you could be a choir nun would be whether you could learn Latin and if you had a dowry which would support you for the rest of your life. The lay sisters worked for their keep.
You’re obviously a librarian school reject.

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Shows you how much you know, 11.48am and sorry if I hit a raw nerve.
My aunt was a choir nun in the Canonesses of St Augustine and she became headmistress of one of their schools. The fees from the schools paid for the convent. As for the dowry, she didn’t live off that. The dowry was banked and any interest was used by the convent, but the capital was untouched. The interest was small and wasn’t enough to support a nun for life. The idea that it might is ludicrous. It would have to be acouple of million in today’s money.
Dowries were returned to the nun if she left and if she stayed, it was part of her estate when she died, and nuns could bequeath it to the convent, to relatives or to a charity.

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‘The dowry was banked and any interest was used by the convent, but the capital was untouched.’
= being supported by your dowry for the rest of your life. I think you’ll find that is how all of us with a private income live. Obviously you would only have made a lay sister.

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Egg on your face. My aunt’s dowry, which was substantial but not huge when she joined, was left to relatives after her death. It amounted to just over £26,000. That would produce interest of about £200 a year. After the Council my aunt, together with her liberated sisters, lived a very comfortable life, with multiple trips to the Holy Land and a lifestyle that cost far more than any dowry would support.
PS I don’t much care for your snobbery about lay sisters.

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Pat mass lasted 16 minutes today it’s the only joy I get in the week and the priest can not even be bothered making it last or worth whole new getting all dressed up for

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The hyper-speed Mass done in barely a quarter of an hour by Fr Flash is sadly a bit of an old Irish tradition, and easy to do with the Low Mass of old. Yet there are a few who are happy, a short Mass is a box easily ticked for the week, and the priest has his stipend.

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12.03 would think that someone bringing a criminal charge of being sexually abused by a priest was doing it because they were bitter. 🤣
Since you’re obviously a cathbot you will have missed that one of the monks got probation for assaulting this guy and following the visitation the bishop decided there were things which needed to be corrected.
Fool.

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Bishop Pat, what’s on the Blog menu for the coming week? I’m gagging for a fish & chip with mushy peas. If it’s plaice, cod or whiting on the menu, I’ll have the latter. I drink my liquor from a glass, not a jam jar.

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I watched the video on church militant about this place. They all work out, admire each other’s muscles and line up naked for the shower.
It’s even gayer than Silverstream.

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This is poisonous nonsense that the self loathing toxicity machine Michael Voris (a gay man who calls gays sodomites) has been pushing. The response even from his usual readers have been mocking. ‘Ora et labora’ is not just a pious saying. This person seems similar to the unhinged failed seminarians seen here at times.

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Sending cryptic messages like this is a disgrace. I would trust Fr Spence with my life. This meaningless message is a slur on his character.

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More laity is needed due to the decline of vocations, that is a fact and its something that clergy have to get used to but all the specially ‘chosen’ ones have to be educated correctly so as they never think they are a replacement of a priest. The women and men prancing around the church, freshly blow dried hair and the high fashion does nothing for the down and weary in the congregation looking for peace and solice from the Eucharist. The favourites and wealthy laity being in favour of the priest are of course closer to God as seen through the eyes of those not entrusted to carry Holy Communion. This happens in churches and cathedrals the lenght and breath of the country. Priests sit back and allow the chosen ones to administer Holy Communion.

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@12.27pm You defeat your own argument by saying more laity are needed. Yet you run down the specially selected few that Father deems worthy because of what they have in their bank accounts.

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‘The favourites and wealthy laity being in favour of the priest are of course closer to God’
This is the whole point of the Catholic faith isn’t it?

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Just going out with a friend to lunch at the Armagh City Hotel Bishop Patrick. Will be looking for any signs of clergy dining out on the proceeds of the collection plate. Will also be watcbing for drink driving which is often the case with clergy dining out. Might have to rely on the 101 number like last time.

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12.28: Such a stupid fool you are. Get a grip on your stupidity. And, if you choke on a bone it might teach you to stop being an imbecile.

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@1.52pm. Thanks. You seem rattled for a reason. Maybe I threaten you. As it turned out there was no clergy at the Armagh City Hotel today. I was miffed, yes I admit, I didn’t spot any clergy, however I hear they avoid places now on a Sunday because of me in that area. However, I travel most days beyond Armagh for meals. The annoying thing is not many places open the beginning of the week now and those that do have a very limited menu.

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12.28 What a tosser you are!
Your name must be Coco or Wee Jimmy McConnell, Patsy’s Bucks live reporter in Armagh!

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11.04. I don’t think parishioners can be formally excommunicated although, of course, there has always been a tradition amongst Irish priests of “calling parishioners” off the altar if priest wants to advertise his authority or allegiances for whatever reason best known to himself. Thankfully this elderly lady now gets a lift to a church elsewhere – where she can have some peace from the menacing criminal elements in her local church setting.

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Anyone having an abortion or assisting on one is automatically excommunicated from the RCC.

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Automatic excommunication applies to the CINOs who voted for abortion in the referendum.

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Strictly speaking, 12:39 missing one Sunday mass excommunicates you automatically since it is a grave sin and you are not supposed to receive communion until you’ve confessed it.

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Covid! Spiritual Communion! Wake up please. Get with it. You are obviously so out of touch sweetie.

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1.55
Logic is not your forte.
1. Excommunicated can’t receive communion.
2. Those in mortal sin can’t teceive communion.
3. Those is mortal sin are excommunicated.
Even a First Arts logic pass student could see the fallacy.

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Ah, you see, 6:25 we don’t all have advantage of your intelligence and education. 😑

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Pat I know you are a homosexual but men holding hands and kissing in public is disgusting, just witnessed this in the park and hope you and Ed do not do this

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A true topic today and it recalls me informing Bishops yes Bishops that they are the custodians of the Sacrament of Confirmation and should arrange their diary accordingly.
Thankfully some Bishops have taken this aboard and are seen doing more Confirmations much to the anger of parish priests.
However because of covid is has been delegated to parish priests but once the pandemic is over it should revert back to Bishops if not Archbishop Roche will inform them Canon Law.
Some Bishops will not even know Canon Law as to Ordinary and Extra Ordinary Misters of the Eucharist so parishioners should inform their Bishop about Canon Law or ask Archbishop Roche to write to the Episcopal Conferences and inform them.
The video is shocking however I do see many Bishops in parishes distributing the Eucharist and the Bishop of Down and Connor always does in parishes but again he needs to highlight the facts to his clergy.
Most dioceses have a director of Liturgy who is misinforming the Bishops on this topic.

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Oul Gossip Alert @12:57pm
The oul know it all, is on telling us how she informed Bishops that they are the custodians of the Sacrament of Conformation, as if they didn’t know. To say it’s because of covid that it’s been delegated to PP’s is a nonsense it’s been going on for years. She then goes on with her usual, telling people to inform Episcopal Conferences and her useless pal oul cockroache who will inform them of canon law. That’s a laugh since that lot wouldn’t have a clue about canon law. As for Extraordinary Ministers get rid of the lot of them pronto.

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Bishop Pat, with your permission can I share your blog today with Archbishop Arthur Roche in respect of the Irish hierarchy who were present in Knock including the Primate? Thank you.

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Pat @ 1.43pm Thanks. I know you are not in with “the firm” at the Vatican. It is common courtesy (not evidenced by some on this blog) to ask if I could forward the blog today to +Arthur. He is no fool as some like to portray him. He didn’t end up in his role presently for nothing. He has many jealous English Mitres against him. He will have many Irish Mitres with twitchy bum cheeks after I share your blog in a short while.

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2:21 What a stupid thing to say. It seems to have escaped your notice that the blog is public!

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1. If the President of The Republic of Ireland can be an open gay, there is no need to hide in the closet and behind a clerical collar. 2. It’s associated with paedophilia 3. The pay is poor. 4. Most newcomers to the priesthood are immigrants from third world countries. 5. If you’re young and reasonably good looking, you’ll be at constant risk of elderly predator priests. 6. You will probably have to run several parishes with little or no, support. 7. Your confreres are gossips and will likely be friendly to your face and bitch behind your back. 8. You may have to spend at least six years in the seminary with dysfunctional and sexually immature colleagues, and you’ll be expected to conform to a life that is at odds with the solemn promises you’re expected to make.

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2.52: What errant nonsense. Also a very anti-man hate inciting language. Horrible nastiness and hatred.

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@2.33pn Thanks for that aggressive response on your part. What is your agenda I wonder? Thank you. I am happy to be called stupid and other profanities but my concience is clear. Is yours?

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You can’t have had this in mind when you started and it’s a very unexpected effect of reading your blog, Bishop Pat, but I have learned so many dating red flags reading the comments here. Thank you. X

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It’s like giving a child a sweet feel special and sharing the love. When needed use trusted members of the church

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HOW-HI FLY
How’s it going old stock.
Begobs fly it depends on the size of the child not to mention the sweetie.
A gobstopper might choke a little one.
And these days who can be trusted in the church.
Ship ahoy booze cruise ahead. I’m outta of here.
May the Lord bless us+
Bye Bye Fly Hi.

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8:35

I’m soldering on pulling the Devil by the tail.
‘Tis a hell of a long tail as you well know.
Word has it Jesus didn’t invent religion.
Was Jesus invented.
If so who invented Jesus.

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You just dump the leftover
Body of Christ Sean @3.09pm out on to the grass for the birds to eat. The religion Henry VIII founded and you now subscribe to. Henry was known to be decent. The present Royals are equally steeped in shit from news reports. They cast their own aside like an oily rag to preserve themselves. That’s honour for you.

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England was good enough for years when you were sending girls over here for teacher training, nurse training and safe abortions, 5:25.

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In my parish if there was a funeral where a number of priests might attend there is a small number of lay Eucharistic Ministers. They would think nothing of going up onto the Alter during the Lamb of God, go to the tabernackle and take out the ciboriums place them on the alter and stand beside the alter waiting for the chief celebrant hand it to them for them to give out Holy Communion. They wont even wait for the priests present to go to the alter for them to take their communion or to drink from the chalice. 99 times out of 100 it is women that will do this, often delighted that they have an audience to show off their latest item of clothing bought or a different hair do. I asked one priest why they allow this to happen. He said they dont want to leave the ministers feel unwanted and that a day will come that there wont be any priest in the parish to give out communion and the people will have to be happy with pre-consecrated hosts held in the tabernackle to be given out at a prayer service.

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3.36
Some days in parish with clergy having to serve two or three parishes we have Eucharistic Services so it is time to move forward.
Most week day Masses will be Eucharistic Services.

It is disappointing to read people go to Holy Mass to see hair styles or new clothes rather than for the Precious Body and Blood of Our Lord.

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“The other abuse that has crept in here is that these ministers are often chosen from priests favourite parishioners and from the more wealthy parishioners”
No. These ministers come forward from the community.
“The abuse has come about in part to placate the laity who cannot be ordained.”
No abuse at all. Our faithful have to take on more responsibility. They understand too in fairness to them. There are going to be many more changes over the next few years and decades. It’s the changed clerical world we live in.
Pax.
P.S. Our brother spoke so well in support of women this morning. It was wonderful.
Pax.

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Thank you, Seamus, for correctly highlighting the disrespect and likely misogyny which drives clerical hatred of laity. And they wonder why nobody wants to be s priest….

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Plenty apply to be priests but they are turned away at application stage or booted out. Then they find their new vocation of making disagreeable comments on the blog.

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@ 4.37 pm so plenty apply? How delusional. I am sure the acceptance rate of the handful that apply is above 90%

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4:13, misogyny is more of a problem from women towards other women. It is sad that they would treat their fellow sisters like that.
Christian Unity week is nearly upon us. I attended a Christian Unity service many years ago. The lady vicar spoke very well. It was a jolly good sermon.
Pax.

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4:37
It is wonderful to see that you, who were presumably accepted, are so sympathetic and kind towards them

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The number of EMs is going up at the same time as the number of Massgoers goes down. Soon the EM/Communicant ratio will be 1:1

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Seamus eejit as always at 4.03pm. They don’t come forward as you say or should they put themselves forward. That defeats the object. They have to be chosen carefully which isn’t happening in Eire. I found that video profoundly shocking on your blog. Bishops receiving Holy Communion from laity. That really sums up the whole score

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Ireland is fu**d religiously when you see this carry on and tomfoolery in this video. Bishops handed out Holy Communion by laity!!! Jesus. I admire Nugent for exposing it.

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The next time you’re say you’re depressed and hate your life, remember it’s all about perspective. I have a friend who has sex every day, goes to the gym two or three times a week, has time to read books, and has enough money to get by but all he does is tell me how much he hates Maynooth.

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Fr Tony Corr bless his soul had a hard life in the Thurles hell hole. Poor Tom McAteer (Dromore) recently deceased also had the same and he was a very late vocation. +Brookes wasn’t a kindly bishop to them.

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Ohh that has stirred memories 6.20. Brookes was a total waste of space (correct me if I am wrong) and left a whole pile of manure for his succesors to cope with. The biggest one was Finegan in Hilltown.

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Bishop Pat, ‘Paddy Towers’ is back on the line working overtime giving me an ear full. He’s asking for a comment on Blog Stars 2022. I’ve put him on hold, again; today he’s listening to The Doobie Brothers numbers; Listen To The Music: Jesus Is Just Alright With Me: What A Fool Believes. That should keep him temporarily entertained but he’s beginning to do my head in, Bishop Pat. You’ll have to comment or talk to him yourself next time he rings or texts.

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Pat, I know there is a Dominic Cummings figure briefing you very recently like Cummings is briefing against Boris at present Long may it continue. Who is your Cummings Pat lol?

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Excuse me but why do Bishops wear big pointy hats? Are all the hats the same size and colour and why are they pointy? And why do the Bishop croziers have crooks on them. I love Knock and the video but I have not been there in years. Thanks in advance for answering.

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Thanks for answering. Excuse me but what do you mean they represent tongues? Are all the hats the same size? Has the Pope a taller hat or are they all the same sizes. Thanks again in advance.

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Someone mentioned Enniskillen earlier. That Donnelly curate is a proper prissy madam. So far up his own hole Pat.
Sorry for the expletives.

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Yes Donnelly is a prissy mare as any fellow Clogher cleric will tell you. Loves the lace and talks with a plum in his gob. As some fellow clerics say a while ago he believes , “his s*it doesn’t stink.

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Could it possibly be that the palpable ill feeling from the clergy to extraordinary ministers and permanent deacons could spring from their resentment that in the future the experience of going to church won’t revolve around them any more.

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@7.50pm Experience yourself a Permanent Deacon in your life for a while which you clearly haven’t. Then report back after after it

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Permanent pain in the arse. Our one just likes to sit in the presbytery kitchen all collared up and drinking tea and chewing the fat all day. I struggle to find him something to do and he consumes more time than he frees up. His homilies embarrass me.

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How is Fr Garrett getting on in Loughgall Pat? Left Cookstown in a hurry. Transferred suddenly from Tyrone to Co. Armagh. Lock up your husbands.

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https://www.ncregister.com/blog/pfizer-and-the-vatican

Pfizer and the Vatican
Sources say Pope Francis met privately twice last year with Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla

” VATICAN CITY — The Register has learned that Pope Francis privately held undisclosed meetings with the CEO of Pfizer last year as questions arise over the efficacy of the vaccines in preventing transmission, which are now being mandated for all Vatican staff and visitors.
According to Vatican sources, the Holy Father twice met Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla at the Vatican, although the precise details are not known.
Unlike most papal private audiences, these meetings were not announced by the Holy See Press Office, which did not respond to repeated requests to confirm the meetings.
A Pfizer spokesman said, “We can’t confirm or deny as, per our policy, the movements of our executives are considered confidential.”

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Francis should just put Pfizer and co. on his cassock and be done with it. I highly doubt the Pfizer CEO was being asked hard questions, which NCR seem to be editorialising, more likely the pair were sharing tactics on breaking down opposition to their use heart attack jab. Perhaps the Vatican were begging for money, as the money from German bishops involves heeding their actual views on synodality (actual synodality, not the joke where Card. Tommasi is proposing the Vatican annexes the Order of Malta), and the PRC money has likely run out, and what they have is blown on magic beans.

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There is an extraordinary reader distiction in that only those in Holy Orders are permitted to proclaim the Gospel at Mass.

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11.16
No. The language of ordinary and extraordinary which would indicate a qualitative distinction between a lay and an ordained reader or acolyte nowhere appears in the apostolic letter.
It is the language of former pontificates, especially, JPII and Benedict.

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The best comment on today’s blog was the one which showed the inanity of the distinction favoured by JPII and Benedict between ordinary and extraordinary ministers of holy communion by asking rhetorically whether the church speaks about an ordinary and an extraordinary reader. Brilliant.

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Is it true that in the time before Spiritus Domini, Phonsie didn’t want women to open or shut the tabernacle?

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Just to comment I didn’t send this video to Pat Buckley not did I ask him to comment. He is welcome to comment. But I didn’t ask him to do so. I find his mockery of some Irish clergy on this blog offensive. We can give constructive criticism without get personal.

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@12.15 a.m.
Robert, the position adopted by you in your video is out of date since Pope Francis issued Spiritus Domini, motu proprio last January.

Since the liturgy of the eucharist is structured around the fourfold action of the Lord at the Last Supper, Jesus took, blessed, broke and gave the bread and wine to his disciples, it is appropriate that the one presiding at the eucharist distributes the consecrated elements.
It is equally appropriate that clergy and instituted lay ministers would also distribute them.

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Nothing at all mentioned on that document about ministers of the Eucharist. The Priest is the ordinary minister of the Eucharist

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Robert Nugent, 10:54
Two comments:
The first is a response to your statement: “Nothing at all mentioned on (sic) that document about ministers of the Eucharist.”
In fact, they are mentioned eight times in the brief apostolic letter, and ten times if you include the two references to the word ‘charism’ which, the document states, is a synonym for the word ‘ministry.’
1. The title of the apostolic letter:
“APOSTOLIC LETTER ISSUED “MOTU PROPRIO” SPIRITUS DOMINI BY THE SUPREME PONTIFF FRANCIS MODIFYING CANON 230 §1 OF THE CODE OF CANON LAW REGARDING ACCESS OF WOMEN TO THE MINISTRIES OF LECTOR AND ACOLYTE”
2. “These charisms, called ministries because they are publicly recognized and instituted by the Church, are made available to the community and to her mission in a stable form.”
3. “In some cases this ministerial contribution has its origin in a specific sacrament, Holy Orders. Other tasks, throughout history, were instituted in the Church and entrusted through a non-sacramental liturgical rite to individual members of the faithful, by virtue of a particular form of exercise of the baptismal priesthood, and in aid of the specific ministry of bishops, priests and deacons.”
4. “Following a venerable tradition, the reception of “lay ministries”, which Saint Paul VI regulated in the Motu Proprio Ministeria Quaedam (17 August 1972), preceded in a preparatory manner the reception of the Sacrament of Holy Orders,”
5. “…..although such ministries were conferred on other suitable male faithful.”
6. “Accepting these recommendations, a doctrinal development has taken place in recent years which has highlighted how certain ministries instituted by the Church are based on the common condition of being baptized and the royal priesthood received in the Sacrament of Baptism;
7. “A consolidated practice in the Latin Church has also confirmed, in fact, that these lay ministries, since they are based on the Sacrament of Baptism, may be entrusted to all suitable faithful, whether male or female, in accordance with what is already implicitly provided for by Canon 230 § 2.”
8. The revised English text of the Code of Canon Law reads:
“Lay persons who possess the age and qualifications established by decree of the conference of bishops can be admitted on a stable basis through the prescribed liturgical rite to the ministries of lector and acolyte. Nevertheless, the conferral of these ministries does not grant them the right to obtain support or remuneration from the Church”.
The second comment relates to your use of the expression ‘ordinary ministers of the Eucharist.’
Since the institution by the Pope of the ministries of reader and acolyte, the language of ‘ordinary’ and ‘extraordinary’ minister no longer applies. As an earlier comment on this post pointed out, it would be as ludicrous to distinguish between an ordinary and an extraordinary ministry of reader as it would to speak of an ordinary and an extraordinary ministry of acolyte.

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